FINAL thoughts on the Ableton move

[@mpchead]

I share samples weekly here www.patreon.com/c/mpchead Sample packs mpchead.com/collections/sample-packs/Drum-kits+sample-packs

[@nervouscooks]

You can resample the pads, you just need to put the sample into the first step of the sequencer, then when you open the resampling menu and press a pad to record it will trigger the playback automatically so the sample will play and then you can record to new pad. I also think we need to see where it goes. It’s firmware 1.0. You make some very valid points but I’m not sure what you were expecting especially on first release. The SP404 MKII wasn’t good until version 3.0. Akai are only now starting to give people more and more. They are never going to undermine their own product the Push 3. It’s obvious why every company out there producing these units doesn’t give us more and more features… what do they sell you next year?. I think it’s a fun and speedy way to cook up beats, if you want all the bells and whistles use the MPC. I’m confident that we’re only just seeing what this thing can do and I own MPCs, SP, Polyend etc etc but there is something really quick and direct about using this in my opinion. I love your channel and content, been following for a good while but I’m not sure this a fair assessment. Just my 2 cents though, interesting to hear your take on it. Keep up the good work 👍

[@mpchead]

@@nervouscooks bro that is not right, thinking that we should pay 500 for something that has a crooked workflow with no basic functionalities and be ok with it, you can't think like that bro.

[@pdelonn]

Nervouscook, i totally agree with you, i really like Marlow, and think he's one of the dopest in the game, and i totally get his frustrations, but I just think sometimes MPC headz, always compare everything to mpc. They have to realize mpc is the top. Everyone else are copy cats, and so far in this situation, as for now, the students are not better than the master. (Maschine is close).

[@nervouscooks]

@@mpchead I truly get what you’re saying but I just don’t think it’s bad. I’m not sure what the price is in Europe but it’s £399 here in the UK. There’s soo much choice out there that it doesn’t matter, if it’s not for you then cool. There’s plenty of other gear that I’ve bought and sold as the workflow doesn’t suit me so personal taste comes into it. I’m not trying to convince you, I just can’t agree with you on this one. Sure I’d love a company to release the perfect sampler with everything we ever wanted but I just don’t think any of these companies are about to do it. I have no loyalty to Ableton i just don’t think they are doing anything different to any other company. Look at the KO II from teenage engineering, in my opinion that was a joke. 64mb of internal storage and no resampling. That’s limited! 😂😂 All good though man! 👍

[@nervouscooks]

@@pdelonn yeah, I’ve said this before but if someone asked me what is the best all round sampler, I’d say buy an MPC every time. This thing is different, I own one because I personally like the workflow and I like the choice. I’ll pick this up one day, the next day maybe the MPC depending on my mood. For the price point, not much else truly portable and built well like this. Only the SP, and it’s soo deep with menu diving and shortcuts that I find it hard to get started some days but I know some people love the SP workflow. It’s all personal. Anyway I’m not here trying to start arguments. I respect Marlow a lot. 👍

[@pdelonn]

​@nervouscooks Totally agree I luv the ableton move! And can't wait to see what updates! Cheers music brothers!

[@lostreligion1313]

interesting how one person can just not get how a device works and another person can get it straight away, this is life.

[@mpchead]

@@lostreligion1313 bro can it be that someone just doesn't like a device and another likes the device? No, is just that I don't get it right.

[@lostreligion1313]

Exactly 👍

[@nervouscooks]

Also you can overlap samples. I had to go back and check this. So if you record from the line in and chop the sample as it’s playing it seems that it puts it into a choke group automatically so you can turn the choke group off. Maybe that’s what you meant but the samples can overlap if you take them out of the choke group. I guess they assume most of the time you want them in the choke group. I know sometimes we don’t though. One of the biggest things I’d love to see in a hold all pads so you can pitch samples, add attack, turn choke on/off etc to multiple pads at once. 🙂

[@mpchead]

@@nervouscooks that's not what I said. I said ONE pad plays monophonically.

[@mpchead]

@@nervouscooks thanks for the comment

[@nervouscooks]

@@mpchead ahh sorry I see what you mean. Yeah you’re right, you can layer the same sample in the 32 pad sampler mode but at different pitches though. I forgot you could essentially keep layering the same sample on one pad with the MPC. 👍

[@artephank]

@@nervouscooks all 8 of them samples ;)

[@nervouscooks]

@@artephank I assume you’re referring to the polyphony limit? I don’t find it a problem. I used to cook on an SP303 😂👍

[@lopodyr]

Honestly, I don't understand the crowd that compares everything to an MPC all the time, and acts surprised that everything else is not. It's crazy to me that so many people act like things are either "a game changer" or "a scam". The Move doesn't seem to be for you, and honestly it doesn't seem to be for me either. But the complaints you have for it are clearly complaints from someone who just wants another instrument. People who want a quick portable launchpad that instantly goes into Live are going to love the Move. What it can't do makes its workflow more accessible to people who want it and beginners who want an affordable companion for their DAW. I don't understand how one can come to the conclusion that limitations are "added in". From the hardware to the interface, limitations are everywhere. Ableton Live can't do some of the things my Elektron Octatrack can do. And I'm not mad at Ableton for that. Designing anything requires focus and compromise. Even in the software world. What is "basic functionality" to you is not for everybody. I almost never chop up samples, it's just not how I work with samples. So everyone is different. At any rate, it's fair that you have tastes and can't love everything. It's also useful that people with your approach can hear your story and see that maybe they will be disappointed with the Move too. But at this end of the day, this obsession with "limitations bad" always seems like complaints from someone who doesn't get the benefits they get in return (lower price, more accessible/faster workflow, etc). Just because this blend of compromises is not your thing does not warrant this "brutally honest" posture, which is really just entitled anger towards something that was never for you anyway. As for the Move, it seems to me like a peak "first gen" product. I think updates will cover a lot of your complaints. But we won't know until that happens. The Push 3 was also a bit underbaked at launch. It sucks for some early adopters but again, for some it won't be an issue. As you said, maybe it will turn into something you love in the future. Maybe not, and that would be okay too.

[@artephank]

It's the role of youtuber - to share his opinions and experiences. When you watch @mpchead whose content is 99% MPC is now wonder he compares it to MPC, since most his audience will do the same in their heads. To me the video is 100% valid and brings a lot of issues no other video did. And while I don't agree with is opinion on Move, I appreciate the points he raised since those are important to me, too (the way step recording automation works is ridiculous). I think that it all depends on how important Ableton is to ones workflow - the more it is, the more limitation one is able to live with, since it brings a lot of workflow improvements. If someone compares Move to other groveboxes, then it is more limited than many of them in many regards. As for your argument about "future updates" - sure, I am also almost certain that it will be better in future. I think that they will lift the 4 track limit as well (to boost sales), but we (and definitely youtubers) should review and inform about the product that it is right now, because we also should spend money on the features that are available right now and not our imagined future perfect product.

[@arkdmind]

Just because he reviews a lot of mpcs.. what? Xd So if I review a lot of cars, then review a bike, im going to say it has the limitation of not being a car? Thats crazy. Just means he missed the point, as a reviewer, its just a wasted video, and he's really only able to reviewe mpcs. If you need a car reviewer to tell you a bike is not a car.. wtf man xd

[@artephank]

@@arkdmindanother day, another strawman argument. I didn’t write „reviews”. Do you even watch him? He provides content mosty about MPC for people using and liking MPC. You totally missed my point- he compared Move to MPC and shared his opinions from the perspective of him. It’s not a review.

[@lebronsinclair8012]

MPC is the gold standard for dawless. I don't like it but capabilities are honestly above all that's out there. It's not everything but like Marlow some of these limitation are just pointless. Akai has proved that different form factors with same software does not eat into sales of the other product....

[@Darknives]

@@lebronsinclair8012 I think Ableton mentioned the limitation were not as much planned as they were needed, remember this is small, mostly batteries, running ableton note with synths and fx, and 4 tracks was the way to ensure this all worked smoothly. If they are able to make it 8 tracks and have it run smoothly, I'm sure they will do it. This is not an MPC, is not as expensive and powerful as most of them, nor is it supposed to be. If you want an MPC, this is not it. Some users just want something simple to work and integrate with ableton, this is a nice one for that, but I would say it's quite more niche than something as an MPC. The problem is Ableton is famous and Move should be niche but is being interpreted as a cheap MPC, by that standard, it's a rubbish product, I'm sure they would do a way better MPC if they decided to do one.

[@macaronafterparty]

Love mine so far. Finally selling the needless drum machines and controllers Ive accumulated prior to the Move’s debut.

[@moschmuda]

i just wanted to say that the files will be copied locally if connected via usb-c which is faster than most usb-sticks would be - they using just the webinterface instead of a dedicated app.

[@substr4kt]

I think Ableton Move is not a sampler. It's not competing with MPCs or 404s. It's a groovebox competing with Circuit Tracks or Yamaha Seqtrak. But thanks for your honest about it. I thought about getting it as a controller. But I decided to go with an old MPD32 for 50 bucks and I am happy with it :)

[@mpchead]

Yes I agree with you, I think is more of a groove box than a sampler, but the marketing is of a sampler.

[@dylnn-music]

⁠@@mpcheadI feel like they marketed it as a groove box overall.

[@blkgostnone4092]

Actually………. It’s competing with the MPC Renaissance (lol but still viable currently and supported) and MPC Studio…. I didn’t name them 😉

[@camblack524]

@@mpchead the marketing displays sampler capabilities, but they're not marketing it as a sampler. i think if you start viewing it as more (ie groovebox) you will understand the limitations a bit more. but viewing purely through a sampler lens i can see why you'd think it's overly limited. have you ever used an mc-101? because it sounds to me like complaining the mc-101 isn't a sampler, when if you used one you'd realize despite the fact it has sampler capabilities, to call it a sampler would be a total joke.

[@livinproof718]

@@camblack524well if it has sampling it’s definitely a sampler … if that’s what it’s capable of… groove boxes are sample playback usually they don’t sample

[@teddybearasaurus]

This is why if akai made a 500 dollar mpc mini or mpc “move” they would make a killing

[@Nothingspeshalwaysfresh]

It's coming without a doubt

[@iShredStreets]

Yeah but Akai too dumb and arrogant to do it.

[@artephank]

Rumor has it it is coming. However, the strength of Move is its Ableton integration. I wish Akai update their Desktop DAW to be at least usable;)

[@iShredStreets]

@@artephank If true, I will give AKAI my respects and buy it.

[@Kevinschart]

If they make it I will get it. All I want is basic looping and audio recording capabilities. I don't need the full MPC experience, that's what my DAW is for. I play guitar, so it's a little annoying seeing all these groove boxes that are just midi boxes, with no audio sequencing capabilities.

[@SONWU]

I am glad I was able to resist buying yet another limited sampler this time :D

[@mpchead]

Yeah maybe with some updates it'll be some nice.

[@thebl8nlyblatantnetwork]

Your not the only one … rather get the p6

[@artephank]

Great potential, too much undercooked features. Reminds me Akai a bit;)

[@Max10_B]

I wish I would have held out on the koii this seems way better built and I like the fx tweakability better

[@stanfordtho]

deluge is on list, but im waiting for akais next drop. mpc live 3 with new software?

[@pdelonn]

Akai needs to update and bring back the 500 with bigger screen and speaker. That would keep them on top of the sampler game!

[@aquietgarden]

Great videos from you on the Move. What is the maximum sample length/playtime per sample? Also, can you loop samples? You raise many relevant issues with the Move, and yes, it would be great to see those added in a future update.

[@SkyGuysQuest]

I love how you get right into the video no bullshit intros or anything just straight to the content

[@MarshMakesComics]

You don’t need to connect move to the computer to get samples. Just upload the samples to move manager and they will appear on the device with no cables.

[@mpchead]

@@MarshMakesComics yeah it's true but why, I don't understand why. Just let me connect a usb drive to it.

[@jazzroom]

@@mpchead exactly ! seems like THEY ( them / those ) want us to use internet/wifi/blueteeth etc and "clouds" for anything these days - thats why i still like my Floppies Disks, Flash Cards and Usb drives..casettes, vinyl and real printed photos ..and real books . i am just to just old i guess , haha ;)

[@warpwav]

Highly agree that it should have the ‘basics’ of a sampler as in the eq, layering, and also the control for the length of the sample could be way more easy to access/have more control like waaaat

[@mpchead]

This is more for synth use than sampling imo

[@majorchutzpah7265]

9:09 I sample everything from my rane one so I can throw a filter/effects on whatever before I sample it. I just appreciate the form factor and being able to practice finger drumming on the go.

[@Kevinschart]

For $550 though?

[@majorchutzpah7265]

@Kevinschart 450

[@SKRDyaheard]

I returned it as well. Most of these samplers just make me realise my laptop is unbeatable. And if I’m sick of the screen i grab my DT2, which has a workflow that I am just quick with

[@OmuNikoro]

If you plug the usbC thru your phone you can acces the move manager without internet conection. I think it works more like a FTP page. Other then that i totally agree with what you adressed in this video. Great content as always! 🫡

[@mpchead]

That's good but I still would prefer just a common connection with usb or sd. Maybe in a few updates this thing will be great.

[@nyanko2077]

If it was 200 bucks, I could understand the limitations. But at this price tag, it should have much more. I agree with you 100%. It's just a very expensive toy.

[@artephank]

3:03 this automation thing looks like a bug. In Push the automation is recorded on the particular step only.

[@mpchead]

I had someone comment here in this video saying this is normal behavior in push/ableton, idk

[@artephank]

@@mpchead just checked if I am not tripping. No, when Ableton is used with Push 3 and you hit pad representing step and move encoder it records change on this particular step only (like Electrons do).

[@mpchead]

Yeah that sounds like normal behavior to me but move does not work like that.

[@david30331]

A honest review is so refreshing! Thanks for standing up and calling out the “limitations are good” BS. I want the most for my money and not feel like I’m getting ripped off. If we keep letting these companies get away with half ass products they will keep trying us.

[@MatsueMusic]

Thank you for articulating this.... "Limitations are good" always rubbed me the wrong way. I agree limitations are good... and can help. But like....those limits are up to ME; not at the hardware..

[@whoadog8725]

I’m not going to defend the Move, because it seems like a bit of a rushed product, but I will say Ableton has a good track record of providing regular updates for the Push.

[@saintvoleur]

Is it honest though? The guy gets free gear from Akai and is all over their website. We cannot discount competitor bias.

[@nkeylen]

I thoroughly enjoyed this video. It's refreshing someone who speaks his mind without thinking of future business deals. I think the genuine approach is best. I got rolled in the dough too many times listening to youtubers embellishing devices with clear and silly restrictions which you'd never see coming from the flyers. I bought those devices and then instantly was like "so what now". Anyway not everyone will agree but thank you for sharing your point of view.

[@mpchead]

It will definitely put me in that blacklist from Ableton.

[@thebl8nlyblatantnetwork]

Let’s hear it 🔥👀

[@heiner_kruse]

the idea is to resample what has been recorded before...i know this could be simpler...though coming from EMU 1998 and Akai 1991 I understand the desire for a true sampler

[@36mg66]

Ableton guy myself. Was looking for a compact sampler. As long as the mpc one exists, this thing aint worth its pricetag.

[@iShredStreets]

I wanted to like this too. Maybe it will work for me, maybe not. I just got rid of my TE EP-133 K.O. II because of the same reasons. 64MB storage and not even a display for a waveform. I just don't understand. I know the perfect gear is not out there but seemed to have gone in the right direction. Oh well, I guess I will stick to a DAW.

[@aboxinthesea]

"Limitations Breed Creativity" Thank you for calling BS on this. I don't need my gear to babysit me. I need it to work period. As far as limitations go, I have plenty of my own self imposed ones of which I'm trying to expand, to grow, to get beyond not enhance. I appreciate your work, candor and attitude. I adore samplers too. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Push 3. I am fortunate to own it and an MPC Live 2 and love them both for VERY different reasons. Same with the Octatrack. To me they are all astoundingly amazing machines. They are because I don't feel like they are crippled somehow or intentionally limiting. Just different workflows! I was hoping the Move would be a Dirtywave M8 in functionality. The M8 proves you can pack literally tons into a form factor less than half the size of the Move. It too is not trying to limit the user. Keep it up Marlow Digs I've been a longtime fan.

[@touarec]

The dirtywave M8 did not launch with all of its current features though, neither did the MPC, Circuit, etc.. they all evolved over the years with software- and hardware upgrades. Why can't the Move evolve the same way? The MIDI in or out and sample handling is not ideal yet but Ableton can implement updates, as they are doing for Push.

[@BoopPOPO]

I see this as the best way to control Ableton in a lite way. Standalone, meh why

[@jasondugas8184]

Have tried the Circuit Rhythm? I feel like its a super underated sampler in the same lane as the Move with a super intuitive workflow.

[@Roland_Tr909_Swing]

I've heard that when synced to the the mpc it doesn't start for a whole bar. Could you check this for me please Marlow .asking for a friend cheers

[@mpchead]

Not taking it out the box. Is gone tomorrow.

[@christophpeters1648]

Man , please remember : this is not a sampler . Its just a sketchpad to make quick ideas. Sampling here was expected to be a simple function only .

[@blkgostnone4092]

MPCs weren’t originally made for the current purpose we them for now so what’s your point. Any devices ultimate use is determined by the End User. A hammer wasn’t developed as a weapon, but it surely can be used as one….

[@kidmsp612]

Honest review. Thank you. However, I feel like you’re not automating the individual steps in the sequencer correctly. In the Move manual, check out section 14.2.4, Per Step Automation. And aren’t there three different drum rack modes? Choke, Gate and Standard. Standard has polyphony which should allow multiple samples to play at the same time. I’m not an advance sampler like you are so I’m getting one for idea making and having fun while traveling. Cheers. Love your channel.

[@mpchead]

I didn't say that multiple samples can't play at the same time. The move is great for synth work, not sampling imo.

[@arenreiser3643]

its a standalone device for ableton NOTE, and for this, its okay for 400 bucks. if u want a good sampler take a Digitakt for the money

[@livinproof718]

All I need is a dedicated song mode on any sampling device and at least 10 seconds of sampling time and not even a resampling feature

[@_d_dot__]

I was surprised you bought this thing honestly 😂 always good to see honest feedback tho, most production hardware seems like a gimmick nowadays, these companies gotta step it up

[@Kevinschart]

Let me know when they make groove box for people that play acoustic instruments. I beed audio capabilities, not midi.

[@ciaranmulhall6123]

Jeeez ... I was hoping you'd be showin' a nice beat or two in this vid and enjoying the Move !!! 😮

[@mpchead]

Yeah man I wanted to do the same beats but kept running into walls with this thing.

[@ciaranmulhall6123]

@mpchead when I get a new piece of gear, even when I know its gonna be inferior / less featured to other gear I've used, my approach is always what can I get out of this thing, not what can't this thing do, I'd still love to hear a couple of beats from you on this before you send it back !!

[@Marco-ek8wu]

Limitations was a thing created by the lack of technology. Workarounds are extra steps for missing features. Don’t build a hardware device that has less functionality than an app worth 80x less.

[@xselfcreative]

Totally aggree about the limitations trend,that marketing is getting old. They’re making stuff that does not function as it should be an market that as it’s creative and putting a price tag on top that doesn’t deserve it.

[@ManCalledMif]

Limitations that enhance the sound are good, like limited bit depth follow by pitching down to get crunchy snares etc. Limitations that are there to protect the software ecosystem only, are understandable, but another story entirely

[@mpchead]

The ability to sample at different rates and bits should be on all samplers.

[@Will4thapeople]

Thanks for the review marlow I was thinking about this for myself but after seeing other reviews I saw that it was to limited for something they claim to be standalone. Portability is nice speakers is nice but I found out it just was too limited to me. And the price I think shouldn’t be that much for those limitations. I wasn’t impressed but honest review much appreciated

[@mpchead]

Not impressed at all.

[@llorenzo582]

What would you say is the best sample/groovebox under $500 with the least limitations?

[@mpchead]

Buy an used mpc one

[@thebl8nlyblatantnetwork]

Roland p6 if you don’t want the sp 404 mk and also a used mpc a good route

[@damelos4039]

Used SP 404 MKII, Used MPC One, Used Maschine MK3 (best of the bunch), this MOVE

[@Boumclap]

hahaah that's a rant maybe but a legitimate and constructed rant! I agree with your conclusion, i don't know if it's for price reasons or just a way to make ppl keep buying new stuff cause of the limitations ( like a version of planned obsolescence, creating frustrations ) or even a way to have futur false update keeping clients fed !

[@bosbolo]

My simple thoughts on your points: Move has a maximum of 4x16 samples, so a maximum of 64 samples must be able to be played smoothly. If each sample can be layered, the required power multiplies. When resource-hungry instruments like Wavetable are used, the Raspberry Pi quickly starts to sweating a lot. Limitation are needed not just a design choice. Fair point about the number of choke groups and the missing bandpass. Your point about parameter automation is also valid. It seems like parameter automation is not designed for chopping up samples. Is resample work for you if you make a clip with just that one pad playing?

[@mpchead]

I thought of all workarounds for resampling, none to my taste. Is just poor design. I can live without simultaneous play, not a big issue, but I wish the sampler had more functions, it doesn't say much about a company like Ableton which I have always looked at as the company that all companies should to aspire to be.

[@NathanWolfxx]

6:45 - Couldn't have said it better.

[@thecalver]

At this moment all I want extra is warping and legato

[@TimeScribe]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. Not a criticism but doesn’t Push 3 come closer to what you want? The “Move” in the name tells you portability is the priority so I expect sacrifices to DAW power would be made. Presumably after you put the project back in Ableton all the functions are there to complete your track. How much of a problem are limitations when you know you are going to finish your track on a computer? Push 3 standalone pretty much resolves most of the limitations you are bumping against. Portability vs Power?

[@mpchead]

@@TimeScribe push is a whole different story. Different samplers and functions. But I haven't messed with ableton in a while so idk. Just because it is a move sampler doesn't mean we should have poor performance. The cool thing about the move is that it is not the size or price of a push. Just basic fundamentals. Not asking for a lot.

[@Blogspierre]

Not true about transferring samples. If you connect to phone or computer w/ USB, the device itself hosts the move manager, which you can access w/ the browser, internally. No need for WiFi.

[@mpchead]

How do you go to the browser with no internet?

[@Blogspierre]

@@mpchead connect the two via USB, then open chrome and type in move/local into the address bar. It will connect to that device, even if you’re in airplane mode, or away from any WiFi, you’ll still access the file manager. Move hosts it via LAN (USB). Just punch in the code that appears on the Move screen. Even works on your phone.

[@mpchead]

Didn't know that, thanks for clearing it up.

[@hostnik777]

I feel you on the false limitations... In so many ways I still feel like the EPS-16+ and ASR-X and stuff like that are better for what they are than stuff made 30 years after them. But one thing to keep in mind - Ableton doesn't want to undercut the Push market. If the Move was what I think you and I agree it *should* be, then almost no one would buy a Push anymore. Personally I can't wait til my Move gets here, but I'm with you on the fact that the next version of it better not have these bullshit limitations.

[@F_letc.h]

I think the point of Move is to be a hardware sketch pad for starting your Ableton project. That’s why it doesn’t have every feature. If you want a hardware device without limitations, Ableton would advise you to purchase the Push 3. That’s their flagship standalone hardware device. The Move is the little brother to the Push, so it will never have all the features of the Push. That would lead to them cannibalizing their own product.

[@mpchead]

I get it but I still feel that it is too limiting. Is just too much. And the resample and step sequencer workflows are just bad imo. Not expecting this to be a push 3, Just a regular sampler.

[@artephank]

⁠@@mpcheadI don’t think you would like the Push workflow either, because a lot of things easy and quick on MPC are not on Push. For instance resample with require setting up audio track, muting or soloing tracks and record real time or flatten the track which destroys the track (so you have to duplicate it first). It’s not a big deal but on MPC you can just bounce to sample. Or flattening pads - so easy on MPC and borderline impossible on Push. If MPC had better ableton integration it would no contest, but for people using Ableton a lot, those devices help.

[@electrosonicnebula]

The Teenage Engineering KO II is obviously a bit of a toy in the context of this particular channel although it's fun in a lot of ways but also had some very silly limitations like no resampling and no reverse.

[@bjamminsincebirth3494]

Move is not a sampler. It’s a groove box that is a starter for Ableton Note. If you don’t like Ableton Note than don’t buy it. I personally use Ableton Live and don’t want those limitations.

[@dracul74]

I get your opinion, but I don’t think folks should be expecting drum machines on the sub $500 end to be feature packed. I sold my old electribe for over $300, lol. I’d say that most of what you want is in the digitakt2. I am still sticking with my Mpc live OG on v2.10… though a take breaks with my digitakt OG and circuit tracks :)

[@mpchead]

Not featured packed, just with the basics.

[@artephank]

MPC is not much more than Move and the improved step sequencer made me sell the electrons. It is nit that good, but good enough for me at least. The biggest advantage of Move is its integration with Ableton and for people using Ableton a lot I see its value.

[@dracul74]

@@mpchead I feel that!

[@dracul74]

@@artephank I get that. If you mix in your daw.. sure, makes sense... but then I'd personally just get push 3.

[@artephank]

@@dracul74 I actually got Push 3 and I think that it has different purpose. Move is sketch pad. It's great to have one - instead of start off with empty canvas each time. I currently use OPZ and Ableton Note (just started) for that and it works great (OPZ) with MPC, not so great with Ableton (timing issues). Move might be a better OPZ one day, but today seems a bit too limited and undercooked.

[@ManCalledMif]

Monophonic only?! WTH

[@mpchead]

I think I need to clear this. Monophonic per pads. Multiple pads can play at the same time but one pad has only one voice per trigger. Pads are monophonic not the sampler, the sampler has plenty of voices.

[@Tontonbeats]

you're wrong about the automation though. it has parameter lock per note/step on the sequencer. just do the pattern first, then hold the step and change the parameter after

[@mpchead]

Just do the pattern first

[@Tontonbeats]

@@mpchead it's really such a non-issue. if you wanted a different pitch snare, you could just hit one of the 16 pitches on the right side of the pads? then you can just play the pattern in. so both ways either playin it in or using the step sequencer.

[@damyouboy]

Yeah if it was around $300 maybe I’d consider.

[@mpchead]

I think the value is ok but they need to put in a lot of features missing.

[@livinproof718]

It has an audio in to sample it’s definitely a sampler the comments in here is wierd … it looks comparable to a Mc 101 and the Mc 101 is great u just gotta load the same sample then chop them all within the same drum set … the smpltrek same thing I like those devices

[@slik_p]

Nah, se não tem o teu selo de aprovação, não compro. Estava à espera deste vídeo para ver o que achavas. Com o teu workflow a nível de samples, se fosse bom para ti era bom para todos. A parte da portabilidade é porreira, as colunas também. E ser algo da Ableton sempre fazia valer a minha licença e dava para ser um sketchpad interessante para trazer para o DAW de forma integrada. Mas assim, nem P-6 nem isto. Mais vale usar o SP para uma solução portátil. Há coisas base. Eu até aprecio limites. Volta e meia e fujo da MPC para o SP ou para a Maschine+ para não me dispersar. Mas isso é infinitamente mais limitado do que fazia parecer. Há limites e limites. O SP não é a coisa mais flexível mas é uma questão de aprender e ajustar. O move já me parece cambalhotas despropositadas

[@mpchead]

Epa talvez daqui a uns a updates a coisa melhore. Agora eu pelo menos nao vejo nada de interessante.

[@rockdfunk]

seems like every other sampler makes the MPC look that much better

[@mpchead]

@@rockdfunk bro 😎 💯

[@johncitizen8828]

But Marlow - if the device doesn’t have limitations, how are they gonna sell you Move 2? Or Move 3? 😉 For real tho, I feel you.limitations is one thing, but lacking real BASIC functionality is just silly.

[@mpchead]

Yeah I wasn't expecting that from Ableton but we live and learn.

[@johncitizen8828]

I’m curious to know how you feel about similar ‘no brainer’ limitations/omissions on the Elektron devices? I own both the Digitakts and the omission of a true slicing mode, or polyphonic playback of samples is baffling in 2024. (That said, I love the DT)

[@tripleeight5608]

The fact that the sampler in monophonic is wild.

[@mpchead]

the pads are monophonic, not the whole device.

[@kozihoppy]

Most of us were expecting much more from Ableton. I still can't believe that being the company that develops the DAW they couldn't come up with something more comprehensive. Hopefully for Move 2.

[@blkgostnone4092]

6:20 Marlow all samplers have limitations lol Move as fast as you do on that 60 vs the Live….The Live in turn has limitations itself (you’ve commented on a few in your videos) Your X has limitations As you would say in your comments “I don’t understand “ 😂

[@gavinhammond3137]

You aren't automating the step your automating the sample in time. I don't know why you sound so confused about that. It works the same in the DAW. Ableton also has a sampler without limitations called the Push 3 standalone.

[@mpchead]

I thought it worked like elektron, this kinda sucks and makes no sense to me.

[@pdm67]

@@mpcheadyeah, in Live and Push also - the automation is tied to the timeline in the clip not the trig/note so P-locking isn’t possible - e.g. if you copy a trig to another location in the clip the automation doesn’t copy with it like it does with the Elektron workflow. Once you are used to the Elektron way of doing things it’s hard to go back.

[@gabrieldonl2311]

CEOs of audio companies must love that “limitations leads to creativity” BS talk lol. The engineer comes saying: “boss, this processor isn’t enough, it will only handle 4 tracks flawlessly”, and the boss says: “no problem, the audio community will say we did it for the creativity, go ahead”. 😂 boss this os getting too close to the push 3, maybe it will impact the sells of the flagship machine. and the boss: put more limitations, the audio community will say its a feature for the creativity lol.

[@symbiosis07]

Apparently that automation is as if you put a point on Ableton Live track automation lane by mouse. Small things like this add up to a feeling that it is software in a box rather than a dedicated hardware.

[@memecoinmafia2732]

sounds like you may as well get koala sampler instead

[@fade2blak91]

This is why Akai needs to drop the MPC Studio Black as a standalone sampler with inputs and a tiny speaker

[@mpchead]

Would live a tiny sampler from akai but that would kill their mpc live sales.

[@redxheartxshapex]

Completely. They always come with that quotation “Limitations bring creativity” yeah right. Sorry, it doesn’t. So tired of that.

[@darkuniversesound]

So much this, dude.... "Limitations breed creativity" is the resignation workaround, and i get IT, but at some point, some enterprising person or company is going to make the unit that actually addresses all the limitation issues, and we will all be the better for IT 😒.... Preach on brotha 👏🌌

[@carbonvibes]

Thanks for sharing @ Marlow Digs you hit on very important points and to be honest I’m a little surprised that Ableton released something so limited out, I thought it would at least be like a Push mini but from what I see it’s not. I really don’t like the cumbersome sample addition. They really should have added a memory card slot and layering capability. Much respect 🫡

[@mpchead]

I am also very surprised they put this out like this. Maybe in one year with some updates it'll be great.

[@prod.marciano]

yaa, come la mald naranja

[@mikevenus4117]

Bro, you looking for a $450 sampler to do everything that you’re sampler right in front of you does?😂 wow! If you didn’t like the Akai Force workflow, which is similar to Ableton push, then why would you think 🤔 that the Ableton Move would be anything different? 😂

[@mpchead]

Basic functions

[@thecalver]

I had the Akai force and now have the Push 3 (and the Move now) . I hated the MPC style sampling workflow on the Force

[@artisans8521]

No.....that does not make sound sense. For making music on the road (or in bed), I use Zenbeats and Koala. They do...it's called an MPC...only technical limitations. And those can be overcome by controller mode. And for on the road...a silver MPC studio and the software on a computer.

[@remyvegamedia]

I agree with you, man. It's unnecessary limited. This whole "limitation breeds creativity" trope is going so far that it almost seems like they're purposely leaving out functions that are basic for reasonable usage. I had more hope for Ableton. They should have called this the Ableton Flop. Haha. I do want to get a Push 3 some day, but I ended up going back to MPC. Sure, the Push 3 is dope and I think the workflow would be great for me, but the pricing is unreasonable. Ableton's an amazing DAW but they're dropping the ball on hardware.

[@artephank]

My current point of view is: MPC3.0>Push3>MPC2 I got Push 3 frustrated with Mpc but to meet at least 3.0 fixed most of problems I had with it. I currently is way more than Push and I even introduce thoughts of perhaps selling it? Will c:)😊

[@remyvegamedia]

@@artephank Yeah I actually agree with that too. MPC2 agitated me, but I still decided in getting one over the Push 3 with the understanding that I'd still have to use 2 because Push 3 is just out of my price range for the time being. MPC3 is really great, BUT they need to bring back odd time signatures, otherwise I'm gonna be stuck on 2. I write a LOT of music in odd time. Hoping for that.

[@ILLUDIUM_Q_36]

You really should try the LoFi-12XT

[@fredicagoillanoise1309]

That's my NEXT acquisition! 👊🏿💯

[@AlexandreBriaud]

I honestly had fun with it... until the pads started to get stuck and unresponsive the day after I received it. Happened to me on the Push 2 as well, had to return it twice. This one is going back to Ableton as well. "Limitations by design" is not for everyone indeed, but faulty products should not be sold to anyone - that's what Quality Control is for.

[@Deadringer884]

Limitations man….

[@fjazz]

+1 dude. Pay top $ for limitations. Ableton's Note is better than Move all things considered

[@Roland_Tr909_Swing]

Ive give up buying more synths im concentrating on buiyng old tape recorders and decent reverb /delays

[@mpchead]

That sounds like good investment

[@bobbymobetta]

I didn't even realize they dropped this as a "sampler", so I'm wicked late to this. Seems to me, as you're talking about the automation carrying across each step, that what's happening isn't so much 'automation' as it is 'sample editing' ... and it's been a while since I used my Volca Sample, but it reminds me of how things went recording automation on that... where if you recorded live mode, you'd have to tune a sample back up if you tuned it down for a step. ... Although now as I type it, I guess it IS automation, and even though that made for some interesting sounds on the Sample, it's definitely NOT how I'd want my work flow to run... What happens if you input all your snare hits and then tune down the first one? Do they all tune down? That Sample loading workflow ALSO reminds me of the Volca Sample (a feature which in my opinion calls into question the actual validity in calling it a "Sampler") That would be a TOTAL deal breaker for me in 2024

[@MattParson]

All these big companies can’t even make a sampler as good as Koala Sampler.

[@Bilpokat]

Monophonic playback just😂left a bad taste 👅

[@01kmacias]

This video is 100% on point. There's too many good samplers to justify $450 on this one. My 404 MKII does it for me with function and portability.

[@The_Sonic_Ally]

kinda of expected. ohh well. stocking must be filled at christmas lol. the best sampler created in the last 10 years (with secret sauce) is still waiting for you. dont fall of the rail that got you to this station now. totally understand the frustration but that limited rail line does not just go anwhere. it goes straight to "your" station. the craft itself has no limits with an mpc or daw just more oportunites for harder work. but yeah the move is a product for christmas gas.

[@PlasticBoxship]

Yeah, they are nuts charging $500 for this. They didn’t even bothered giving it proper specs. It runs on Raspberry Pi 4, a microcomputer from 2019.. so I don’t think they are going to able to fix a lot of the issues with a simple update since the device doesn’t have enough processing power.

[@soysos.tuffsound]

Good to hear your thoughts on this. I'm a pretty heavy duty Ableton fan, but I'm in no way tempted by Move. Maybe in a year or so there will be new development and this thing will find it's way in the world. I briefly messed around with a friend's unit sitting out having drinks last week and TBH I loved the form-factor. I was never a fan of Note from day one and I don't really understand how that is Ableton's take on an app version of Live. Koala Sampler does everything I could possibly want in a so so cool portable sampler, so I'm good. BTW, I'm from the olden times, so all this stuff is a huge thrill in terms of what was possible in the mid 80s!

[@lpn369]

man Akai on something smaller??????? it is a wrap for this bs along Roland sp KO BS ITS OVER FOR ALL OF YA'LL MAN LMAO FRFR

[@R-sn1ty]

yes I want mpc mini NOW 😤😤

[@lpn369]

@@R-sn1ty FACTS

[@mindexpansionpuzzles]

Finally somebody out here challenging the "limitations breed creativity" mantra that's been going on since this dropped. Talk about a breath of fresh air.....

[@BamStroker]

I can assure you there are plenty of videos challenging the “limitations breed creativity” mantra dude. You’ve probably just missed them. There are a lot of real content creators. They’re not all shills or sponsored by a company.

[@saintvoleur]

@@BamStrokerExactly dude. There are plenty of creators on here not buying into that limitations breed creativity crap. Fortunately.

[@Mastering_in_the_box]

Let’s not forget this channel gets free gear from Akai. Just saying 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@mindexpansionpuzzles]

@@BamStroker post the links

[@mindexpansionpuzzles]

@@BamStroker Marlo is the first I've seen be vocal about it. But I've seen plenty of others repeat the mantra, to the point that it seems like it's part of the Ableton marketing scheme.

[@jonpaulhollingsworth4732]

You can buy an mpc one for £300 used and do so much ideas or finished tracks. So much hype these days with gear. You don't need much, just to spend time using what you have.

[@melokit-music]

🤟⚡️

[@endeiks]

Tbh this thing looks completely pointless

[@kozko-xe1xl]

This machine is a biiig fail IMO

[@ttttiiimmy10bit]

well over priced too. £200 max should have been the price. To me, it looks fucking shit and I wasn't interested.

[@reidsoundz9905]

3 minutes into your video and everything you’re whining about is common for boxes in this range. And as far as a “sampler without limitations”…. It’s called the Digitakt and it’s $1000 And you talk about your Akai that cost you how much? This is a $450 GROOVEBOX with sampling not a $1000+ “Sampler”

[@444levels9]

bro he's not whining , and you're not paying attention.

[@reidsoundz9905]

@ 👍

[@dracul74]

It sounds like they ignored existing drum machines and samplers when making many design decisions that are modern standards. Probably a rush to market with limited budget.

[@LoZeroPwalker]

this device is a joke.