Finally BTS! / Aespa NingNing China Controversy Pt.2 / Viral Nose Mask (KOSK) [DK NEWS]

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[@sooyoungloversone6454]

Really loved both of y'alls political analysis and giving the context of the history between China and Korea. Please make longer videos like this, and bring up historical/political context to Korea's issues!

[@greentea8852]

If they are not the expert in politics and history they shouldn’t, better academia or professors with objective view

[@shell9918]

@@greentea8852 don't think someone giving a boring university style lecture would get any views

[@greentea8852]

@@shell9918 no, but it‘s the right place. Do you think gossip channel is better than experts?nthey did not even mention Mongol imvaded China and used China as vassal state to colonise Korea, their context is biased not objective.

[@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia]

@@greentea8852 They're being silly here, but Danny's in-depth analysis videos regarding other topics are typically unbiased and professional. I agree, and actual historian or someone would be better, but to discount Danny and David, who already have a wide audience who are genuinely interested, is a bit unfair.

[@greentea8852]

@@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia to me since they have a big audience then they have more responsibility to be more accurate as not to mislead their audience. As David said generation z is much more sensitive plus they easily believe things face value, more of the reasons to be more responsible.

[@leonit2676]

Losing it over that nose mask... Someone really went through the whole process of producing that and thought that it's the shit??? Like what was the reason??😭😭

[@AManOf_Culture]

Some kind of fetish maybe..

[@90091]

@@carolynfranklin4865 How about the mouth breathers?

[@asmaa9787]

so you won't smell your own fart

[@youneverwalkalone3584]

@@asmaa9787 Lmao I laughed too hard at this😂

[@thelastmoonchild.]

Apparently to be able to eat while still being "partially protected"

[@yooniceupaprika8500]

Personally, I don't really Stan Aespa, but seeing all the hate they are getting for literally breathing and existing, brought me to tears. No one deserves to be treated like that

[@imjko432]

Aespa next level is a remix of a song that already exists , they stole KDAs artwork for their first mv literally frame for frame. Giselle from Aespa said the N word, In the GOT group Boa made fun of dark skin colour and Karina laughed so hard and started clapping… yeah they do deserve the hate. They don’t make original or new music, their concepts are stolen from emerging artists, they have two racists in their group +++ they don’t have any stage presence. Stop crying!! They aren’t people to feel bad for.

[@wavynae4153]

@@imjko432 just to correct you because your saying a lot of bs. first of all aespa and sm own rights to next level, yes it’s a remake but they bought the song so it’s theirs. second no concept is ever original. every concept has been taken and made to fit the group’s image. aespa did not steal KDA’s artwork they just have similar avatar concepts. third giselle did say the n word and i absolutely do not like her for that. she deserves whatever hate she’s getting because she knows better. fourth boa and karinas situation was a mistranslation but take it as you will. everyone has a right to be upset about that fifth aespa do have original music like savage and black mamba plus their other b sides 🙁. pls do at least a little research before you spew out nonsense. also i do admit they need to work on their stage presence but that doesn’t mean they deserve hate (except giselle) stop accusing them of all this stuff they didn’t do. blame the company if you wanna be direct. they didn’t pick their own concept from debut it was all handled before

[@ЕкатеринаЕремеева-п3ь]

@@imjko432 wtf, your comment looks like an excuse for the haters, to make the haters even stronger

[@danielcooper5821]

Ningning isn't getting hate for breathing, she's getting hate for what she said about the Olympics. I don't think she should get hate but it was obviously rigged, so it's a little dumb of her to say. Plus China is not anyone's friend. They have concentration camps and so many human right violations it's hard to count. Anyone saying stuff that's warm about china is going to create a negative response. As they should. I'm sure she's brainwashed by the CCP but she should realize she is working in FREE and DEMOCRATIC Korea and not shoot herself in the foot.

[@SadiaIslamShouki]

@@danielcooper5821 you know not everyone thinks in political point of view. China is their birthplace, good government or bad government doesn’t effect people’s love for their birthplace itself. What do you expect from her? Saying bad thing about her own homeland? Brainwashed or not, no one Won't do it.

[@forevera5241]

Whilst I agree us non-Koreans and non-Chinese should really keep our fuel away from the fire unless we have a deep and thorough understanding of the history between the two, I don't think directing hostility towards people who have zero say over their governments is fair, yes they're in positions of influence but you can't expect people to desert their own identity to please you.

[@casualsuede]

I agree, having grown up in Toronto, the most multicultural city in the world, when the World Cup happens, many ethnic people often cheers for the country of their ancestry OVER Canada....and no one bats an eye. My Italian Canadian friends, many of them 2nd or 3rd generation would cheer on Italy even if they played Canada. The problem of some koreans are due to the fact that they have been so homogeneous for so long, they don't understand foreign views and don't understand the difference between a personal and an official viewpoint. Some xenophobia will happen as a country transitions towards a more multicultural state.

[@anaisc8733]

I don't think it's about "deserting" your identity but rather integrating/assimilating yourself in the country in which you live. You are not going to live in a country that is not yours if you wish to live as you lived in your country, otherwise it makes no sense to expatriate.

[@forevera5241]

@@casualsuede It's a tricky situation to strike a balance in. When you make the conscious decision to open the door to a foreign audience you must be willing to bite your tongue a lot because there is a huge learning curve involved. People generally don't read up on generational conflicts unless they're really interested in it or it's their job. There are so many chances to educate their foreign audience on why certain things are upsetting but emotions take the wheel and then it's a case of iNetizens vs kNetizens.

[@forevera5241]

@@anaisc8733 I think it depends on your reason for moving to another country. We have a lot of expats who go to Asia for work and they generally stick together to keep whatever traditions and cultural things they did here alive there because of their experiences of being outcasted. Of course educating yourself on the societal norms of where you're going to and trying to adopt some of those mannerisms makes it easier for you to become 'part' of that society but to me it doesn't seem right to start doing things that either have different meanings or weren't taught as necessary in your culture and society just to please the people and get them off your back. To be hated at for not wanting to do something is not a new issue and it'll always be around because it's very easy to unintentionally offend someone.

[@anaisc8733]

@@forevera5241 I know that when it comes to work - and therefore an obligation for certain people - they are less respectful, but I find that to be unfortunate, because whatever the reason for moving in, people who are going to live in another country should show respect but hey, not all human beings are sensitive to this kind of respect towards others, especially in our era where the wrong kind of communitarianism and patriotism reigns. As I said, and I agree with you, doing "to please the people and get them off your back" should not be the reason but respect should prevail. In my culture, there are many things I don't do like others, but when I go to live in another country for a few months - which I often do for my job - I try to learn the language (if I don't know it already), I learn the customs whether religious or not, I eat and dress like the citizens norms, I integrate into the mores of the society, I am interested in history and the national political situation and international. And it's not about not offending people, it's about learning the beauty that other cultures have to offer, being curious and showing respect no matter who you're talking to. People are far too narcissistic and navel-gazing today, it's all about the "self" for the wrong reasons, such misplaced pride is an issue, so people should be more humble, appreciate people and differences around.

[@sihamb7714]

I just bought my BTS theater tickets and honestly it's the only thing worth looking forward to

[@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971]

How much was it?

[@sihamb7714]

@@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971 25€

[@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971]

@@sihamb7714 Its quite affordable price ngl.

[@florie7705]

I'm sorry to bother you, but could you please let me know how to buy the tickets? I tried and failed.

[@sihamb7714]

@@florie7705 it depends on the theater distributor of your country. I'm from Belgium and here Kinepolis is the theater company. They put the tickets on sale without a warning, since I thought the ticket sale date would be the 22 February. Luckily I was angrily refreshing their website

[@wendyvasquez50]

I’m so happy for K-Armys 😭 they’ve waited so long for Bangtan. I can’t wait to see them meet for the first time since the pandemic started 💜💜

[@sk8ergalx]

This is gonna be long but I feel there is a need to explain the meaning of kneeling in Chinese culture. I am Chinese diaspora (3rd gen ethnic Chinese in southeast asia) and not PRC Chinese, so I don’t know for sure in today’s China…. But yes in my culture as I know it, we don’t kneel down to other ppl easily. When we kneel, we humble ourself completely. It is the utmost level of humility given, almost sacred, and we prob only do it to our parents/grandparents, and only in weddings for elders in the extended family. Or when praying and also when begging. There is a Chinese saying 男儿膝下有金 meaning there is gold under the knees of a guy, you must not kneel to anyone easily. It shows the level of importance of kneeling in Chinese culture. You would not even do it to people in higher ranks than you too, like your boss. That said, I think some other Chinese idols could have done it previously to respect Korea’s culture having worked here. Maybe they attach less importance to it. Even as diaspora, having been brought up in a very traditional Chinese family, I do feel a bit strange watching Chinese kneel down for a greeting though I respect their intention - it is for a positive reason ie to send greetings. So my perspective is that there are cultural differences towards kneeling, and it should not be made obligatory simply due to the level of importance of kneeling in Chinese culture to many Chinese, though maybe not all. Not demeaning the Koreans in any way and I understand how it can be seen as rude to the Koreans. And in the political context, the chinese criticism of chinese idols kneeling is like humiliating yourself to your boss who also happen to have a lot of conflict with your country. Peace to all!!

[@ЕкатеринаЕремеева-п3ь]

Wow, very interesting, thanks for the clarification!

[@sk8ergalx]

@Peter Luger this I personally agree that there can be some other form of polite gesture in place of a full on kneel that is neither degrading in Chinese culture and still seen as respectful to the Koreans

[@sxzz3942]

It’s understandable. Each culture is different. People just need to learn how to respect each other’s beliefs as long as it doesn’t harm anyone. Even if you’re in a different country with different beliefs than yours, it’s wrong for people to think they’re obligated to follow that country’s traditions if it conflicts with their own. In some cultures, you’re not allowed to bow or kneel to other people, you only do that for religious reasons. It would be messed up for having them to be forced to follow someone else’s traditions. There may be alternatives to show respect, but people are so damn sensitive these days that they’ll still find a reason to hate you.

[@multistan9582]

I agree and also understand on both sides. As I was raised in a Christian setting.... We are not allowed to bow or prostrate our selves infront of any man, animals or objects.... That is only allowed when praying to our God.To my understanding Knets are angry at her because in there logic is she works and also promotes in Korea so she should go by their rules and respect their culture in full.... Also not angry them by supporting China while making their money.....This is all from Years of Korea-China tention and the fact that Idols from China have a record of backstabbing them when they eventually decides to go back home.

[@zeyv4551]

Did you see how she was bouncing around acting goofy, why the other members are giving respect. I understand why she got hate. Learn to be respectful of other's cultures. She should have just stood there if respectfully.

[@revelEVERafter]

“We can’t be hiding in the HYBE lair!” Danny Kim, funniest BTS related quote of 2022 so far 😂🤣

[@Honeygracelatte]

Considering the US is way worse at handling covid than Korea and we learned that the concerts at Sofi were determined to not be superspreader events, it makes sense that they move forward for the Seoul concerts. I just hope Armys that will attend are safe and well masked up

[@st4rozemira]

I'm from Taiwan (not China but we have similar cultures) and kneeling is very, very sacred... the only time I knelt in my whole life was at my Grandpa's funeral. It feels so humiliating to just kneel for something as small as a greeting. I think my parents would be furious if they ever saw me do it.

[@greentea8852]

Sorry but your own constitution said you are part of China, just stating fact

[@kun7288]

Even in korea isn’t it supposed to be new years bow to your elders and respected figures? I find it weird that idols must do it to their fans

[@kun7288]

@@greentea8852 ok you’ve earned your social credit so ccp won’t hurt you today now stop talking nonsense. The only people who believes taiwan, hong kong, tibet and minority groups are china are the stupid brainwashed chinese. Chinese gov is evil so any constitution does not matter. I am praying for the day of revolution or at least freedom

[@ambery6461]

OK. Then why does Ning Ning refuse to bend over her back for greeting? Is it humiliating as well?

[@heartforall5853]

@@greentea8852 it's also a fact that Taiwan has their own government and you need a visa to go to each territory. Is that normal in the same country?

[@seempt]

I don't understand the hate Ningning gets. Let the poor girl breath smh

[@ambery6461]

Don't worry she will go back to China like other Chinese members in kpop.

[@chouyeebb]

@@ambery6461 Korea is just the stepping stone

[@amfrch]

She would be so BIG when she goes back to China as she seriously gives me Angela Zhang vibes. Also, this group is getting hate all the time. It makes me wonder if all the buzz is what SM wants as this gg that they heavily invested in are being mentioned often in the headlines even if the topics about them are for petty reasons…

[@mine_-cl7sc]

So happy for k-ARMY atlast they see perform BTS again live ...love bts sm

[@AMBER-zn8xl]

I’m so happy for Korean army to finally get a concert. 💜💜💜

[@jrhunt35]

I watch you guys all the time. When I want to hear about kpop news, I wait to hear it from you. I'm from the US, so I'm used to fake news😂. But with some of my favorite idols, I only trust DkDktv with what's actually going on within the industry. Hope you guys get to attend the BTS concert. Stay healthy and safe.

[@aoh4905]

True lol. A lot of people lie for clickbait but DKDK seems legit AF.

[@jrhunt35]

@@aoh4905 I've been caught in that type of web. Nah, I'm good. Just stick with these guys 😁

[@csong9940]

LOL this reminds me of the time when my (Chinese) parents went to a Chinese-Korean wedding (bride was Chinese, groom was Korean). I should clarify that this was in the US. The bride and groom bowed to the groom's parents at the end of the ceremony (like got on their knees) and apparently all of the Chinese wedding guests were shocked and appalled. I wasn't raised bowing to anyone, except for maybe dead ancestors at their graves. Anyway, this resulted in all of the Chinese guests going home and telling their daughters not to marry Korean men because they fear Korean husbands will be too controlling LOL. I was in college at the time and a friend of mine whose parents were also at the wedding told me about this and she said, "Ask your parents if they would want you to marry a Korean" so I did and my mom was like "Noooooooo......" Personally, I think if you're going to be an idol in Korea, just bow. It's not like selling your soul. The Chinese gods are not going to strike you down dead for bowing. It shows respect to the culture that you're in. Don't sacrifice your values on the important stuff but something has harmless as bowing shouldn't be a big deal.

[@lunali7209]

you literally just stated that all the chinese guests left .. obviously its disrespectful. why should a chinese idol risk their entire family losing respect for them so that knetz wont be offended? im muslim and if i bowed to a human being in general i would be comitting blasphemy .. so yeah, it is a big deal

[@andromedamessier3176]

This is the classic clash of cultures and religions. It is a wall to overcome for all first generation multicultural couples out there.

[@mdari9012]

I didn’t know David was Christian! I have been watching DKDKTV for two years almost, but as a Christian myself I’m happy.

[@benjok]

I'm a Christian too!!

[@veeinh]

He's not Christian. Christians love and accept all people. He hates Chinese people as stated in the nakd seoul livestream

[@katdevil7541]

Love the Minnesota shirt! That is where I watch from!

[@AManOf_Culture]

I don't get how rational patriotism could be a problem. Where she works or where she currently lives right now doesn't matter. You could be living 50 years in freaking Antarctica while still supporting your own origin. No matter the circumstance, your country always comes first. So, just like a South Korean like RM can support his own country, Ning Ning can too. Neither party is to blame rather praised for their voice.

[@multistan9582]

Both NingNing and RM got backlashed supporting their country during olympics. On both sides Knets and Cnets are at each others throats. This is years and even centuries of discontent between the two countries.... Its more political if dig deep into the situation. Sad but thats its facts.

[@ЕкатеринаЕремеева-п3ь]

@Trees and plants You know, i am Russian, and in this situation this is an inappropriate comparison, because everyone knows very well that the Chinese DO NOT bow, Ningning in this context of the video is not obliged to bow at all. She did not speak out about the political situation and did not support anyone, she said that she wished good luck to all athletes, and after her country won the short track, she was delighted, and clearly did not know that the Chinese athlete played “dirty”. None of them deserve to be hated, neither RM nor Ningning.

[@a.a.6789]

@Trees and plants Woooowww, that's a yikes from me friend, imagine someone saying the same for Korea with what's happening in North Korea or South Korea being very recently a democracy and just history, keep your nationalism down, Korea was also a victim of Japan that almost killed their culture and most "traditions" including taekwondo are built around Japanese martial arts and traditional dances have been forgotten, and people everywhere always fought against imperialism and never bowed down, such disgusting examples for something so stupid, Ningning doesn't have to abandon her culture and beliefs to fit in, would you be willing to touch elderly peoples feet in India if you visit/worked there?

[@ambery6461]

The difference is that NingNing works in Korea. NingNing is a member of kpop group whereas RM never promotes in China and is not a member of Cpop group. LOL If you can't find the difference you have a serious problem about your IQ.

[@zephyrjoie5806]

@Trees and plants don't ever you use painful part of someone's cultural history to say that about ningning. you're disgusting. death like that is nothing to be joked off over a fucking sport.

[@1hotshon]

Great dialogue! Thanks for breaking down the Ning Ning controversy and helping us understand the nuance!

[@실패자-p7e]

This whole NingNing bowing thing reminds of something my mum once said about the bowing culture in Korea. She said she really admires this gesture of respect and thinks it's very respectful but it's a shame that she wouldn't do it because in our culture/religion, we only bow when we pray, so we ONLY bow to our God. Now I'm wondering, if I go to Korea, of course as the say "when in Rome, you do as the Romans do", but.. Will I have to bow? I mean personally, it's not an issue to me but if I don't bow, as a foreigner, will Koreans be upset by it or will they understand that in other parts of the world, we don't do that? I mean, I know in the East it's more about collectivism rather than individualism so I don't know, does this apply to Koreans only? Or are foreigner expected to do everything Koreans do while in Korea? Because I feel like if NingNing was a non-Chinese foreigner, let's say French, I don't think K-Netizens will be as mad at her for not bowing. They might just think "oh she didn't bow because she's French" and be totally okay with it. I just think it's because of the Anti-China sentiment in Korea. I mean many of my Korean friends have openly said they don't like China in the past but I never really got the chance to ask why, I thought it was a personal thing, but now I realise, no, many Koreans don't like China due to its controversial behaviours..

[@heartforall5853]

Danny also said it's probably more because of the anti-china sentiment. So they'll probably not have a problem with foreigners not bowing.

[@radiofreealbemuth]

No, bowing is taken very seriously in Korea. I know this, because Wonyoung - one of the most beloved idols - caused a scandal just last month, because she "wasn't bowing low enough." It's one thing if you're a foreigner, and you just got to Korea, and you're still assimilating. But once you become an idol, the grace period is over. There's no other country in the world that allows you to come to their country, train one or two years, and propels you into a mainstream celebrity. And maybe it was too much, too fast for Ningning, if she still needs more time to assimilate.

[@twicestan5947]

@@radiofreealbemuth I don’t believe that is very true however; the Wonyoubg “bowing scandal” is literally not even mentioned much except for antis but the NingNing case literally got in front page media lmao

[@loubgomaa5179]

Hi 실패자, I am a Muslim and I can understand your concern. I would say, it's okay since in everyday life if you have to bow it's not like a 90° bow, I mean you can do a little bow by a little movement of your head which is different from a complete bow that Koreans do is special situation for their parents, grandparents or when they have to be sorry for something bad they did. It still different from a prayer for God. I spent only 1month in Korea but I did not have that problem in Korea.

[@shad0wCh8ser]

They have a lot of anti-China sentiments bc of the Communist government's brainwashing "civic pride" in their citizen and then internet trolls go a little too hard on any anti-china thing which turns all NON-China ppl off. Plus, they have warring oppression history by the Chinese and Japanese, but Japan has been keeping a low profile. China has been pretty much trying to secretly expand and causing problems. And I said non-China ppl bc I am Chinese but from America, 1st gen, so I tow the line being proud of my heritage and not-so proud seeing how the mother land is communist and the ppl are acting ridiculous -since they have been indoctrinated since birth by the communist government. But my unique status allows me to see a different cultural perspective. Growing up, I had one Korean friend and got taken to all these Korean shops and a lot of shop owners were really nice to me until they found out I was Chinese. I just thought it was weird when their attitude switch when my friend told them I was Chinese since I didn't greet them when I entered or bow to them, HA! I was a teen so I shrugged if off like they got some kinda BS history with neighboring Asian countries and I had the American teen attitude of the F imma bow to you for? Lol. Plus, growing up state side in a predominantly black community, I got a lot of prejudices and nose turns so I wasn't bothered by it. I was just like, okay, if that's who you are and going to be, then that's yo problem. But then there was a lot of places that were extra nice to me too even when they knew I was Chinese -mainly bc they thought I was good looking. 😅 I have very western facial features -naturally, especially for someone who is fully Asian, plus I was an art student so I got no sunlight, and we all know what the favored beauty standard Koreans like 😉 But I gotta say I never understood the bowing culture and as a Chinese person I was taught to never bow to anyone and that's only done for gods or worship and maybe kings. Plus, my family saw it as like eating with your hands kind of thing -like we just don't do that and as an American, the general attitude is we don't bow to no one unless you're the queen of England -like royalty. Speaking as a Chinese, from what I understand, bowing is typically a Japanese thing and Chinese ppl have their own history w/ Japanese oppression so there is a lot of cross over to be opposed to any "Japanese" like tradition, bowing being one of them. Basically, for older Chinese ppl, any custom that reminds them of the Imperial Japanese Army -they basically see that like how the Jewish ppl would look at Nazis customs since Japan basically raped, pillaged and killed the Chinese ppl back in the day. So Chinese ppl teach their kids "we don't do anything like the Japanese" ppl since they kill "our people" in a brutal way. I don't know if the "bowing culture" was left over from when Japan took over Korea and that was a left over customs but I think that's how Chinese ppl see it as so there a conflict in how you fell like what you should do so I can see how NingNing would not bow unless you're like the CEO of SM or the Korean president. It's kind of like how Koreans see "skinship" vs Americans which is a very hands on culture like hugging, patting, handshaking. Like ppl here Hug all the time for no reason and it would be like giving Karina a hard time bc she didn't hug ppl when she was promoting in the US. It's kinda weird to give an overseas Korean promoting in the US criticism bc they won't hug ppl since that's not what they are use to. (Although, I gotta say it was kinda entertaining to watch BTS' shocked face when interviewers try to hug them as a hello and they quietly try to avoid it with shoulder pat.) Some cultures give you a kiss one each cheek as a hello and it would be like netizen criticizing you for not receiving and kissing them back when other cultures, especially Korea, would feel like that's excessive bc they were taught that we don't do that with strangers.

[@theajane6444]

If Ningning had not bowed but remained in a respectful posture, she may not have gotten so much backlash. It's too bad she chose to joke around which appears disrespectful and diminishing.

[@e.m.r.p.421]

They should make the nose masks decorated to resemble bird beaks. That would be super cute.

[@ayeshatahira5825]

I love how Korea is preaching respect their culture when they don't have that same energy for others culture

[@sofi_773]

Was literally thinking about this the other day, but it seems like no ones ready to have this conversation.

[@ЕкатеринаЕремеева-п3ь]

@@sofi_773 Yeah, same, unfortunately, people see only "white" and "black", they are not ready for an alternative opinion, there must always be a "scapegoat"

[@greentea8852]

I feel the same way

[@kun7288]

Stop talking badly about an entire country and this isn’t about that right now. This is between china and korea so bring this up under a different video

[@ambery6461]

So what country do you think show respect to other culture?

[@vanillasunshinee]

That sudden "As a virgin myself" statement :))))))))))

[@shreyanshyadav3285]

Didn't expect that 😂

[@Vineyarding]

So appreciate your channel and content! Hope I will see some rings and earrings on the product website... THANK YOU!

[@vaishnavim6024]

It would be great if you could also add 4th gen kpop groups news... btw a fan of ya'll

[@jinswifeu952]

BTS yesssss 🔥🔥🔥 Kings are coming backkkkkkkk 👏👏👏💜👏 can't wait for the concert 💜💜

[@timeless1882]

As an international fan, I agree on the sentiment that we international fans should be more understanding of how the Koreans feel about China. I'm not really a fan of China as a Hololive fan and as a Genshin Impact fan. I was surprised that SM marketed aespa ao much in China when so many other companies seem to be pushing in the USA markets. Also, knowing that Koreans dont seem to favor China since they dont seem to care much about groups who are from a Chinese company, such as Everglow. Hearing about the whole drama, I can understand both sides and see why the drama has gotten this bad.

[@christybecera7669]

I don't think SM marketed Aespa so much in China. I think they're just big there because of NingNing being Chinese. I also see that SM is following the other companies pushing in the US Market as per Aespa's appearance in Macy's Parade.

[@xzzkat]

You mean you’re not a fan of the Chinese government right? Instead of China as a whole 😅

[@Resonance1919]

makes sense for foreign members of groups to perform their cultural customs when them being foreign members is part of their persona and charm

[@rhynzard]

As Chinese Italian I can say that there is nothing wrong with claim a cultural minority of an another country. In Italy we got German minorities but for sure we don't claim Germany as territory. One thing is criticize Chinese governments, another is be against Chinese people. Yiren and Ning Ning did not disrespect Korean people, they just did the gratings in according of the personal feelings. We should respect that. And we should understand and watch the meaning of the words and rituals, or these will be empty shells.

[@morningcalmrisingsun]

Well, it's a little more complicated than that. If Italians started to claim Germany as their territory (ie Roman empire had taken some of the territory across the Rhine in ancient history) the other EU member states would cry hypocrisy and there would be no EU or even NATO if each member country tried to claim other people's current land in Europe. China and Russia are different, they feel they need to have world influence so territories or even sovereign countries like the Crimea, eastern Ukraine, Taiwan, Nepal etc are just "lost" land they need to get back to proclaim their past glory.

[@rhynzard]

@@morningcalmrisingsun but china never claim Korea as their territory (and in this case it will be actually North Korea). And Taiwan is 100 % Chinese. They claim actually to be the real Chinese government and they are registered as the Republic of China, not even Taiwan.

[@morningcalmrisingsun]

@@rhynzard Taiwan is 100% Chinese *ethnically* but so is Singapore to a certain extent. Chinese people need to know the difference between the government and what the people want. Political systems and race is not one and the same. (Look at North and South Korea, we're not similar people, we're actually the same people but divided politically) Look at the Russia and Ukraine situation. The Ukrainian people don't want to be invaded by anybody, let alone Russia. Russia and Ukraine are both slavic and their languages are almost identical to each other (more identical than Mandarin and Cantonese). Taiwan no matter what, even if they claim to be the real government of China, never coveted the mainland as I understand it. Rather it's the other way around. China wants to take over Taiwan like they did with Hong Kong (and at least Hong Kong people wanted unification so it was consensual). Taiwanese want to stay independent and as a full democracy. Also, China not voting to condemn the invasion of Ukraine is a passive indication that they want to invade and take over other countries themselves in the future.

[@rhynzard]

@@morningcalmrisingsun well Taiwan is ethnically, culturally, geografically Chinese. With different government. And both RP China anche Republic of China are agree (at moment) on documents for a reunification, agreed even by USA as where is just one China. This is not anyway related to Korea since is a fact that RP China is non claiming north Korea territories and is a fact that there are ethnically Korean in China since che kingdom of Korea was ones bigger than the actual 2 Korean countries.

[@morningcalmrisingsun]

​@@rhynzard Yet, Taiwan is not politically Chinese. That's the most important difference. I think you would need Taiwanese sources to see if unification is what Taiwanese actually want and not just from CCP sources. I have a lot of doubt if what you just said is true and never have I heard Taiwanese want to join China both from the news and from talking to regular Taiwanese. That's why I raised my point about Ukraine and Russia; even though they are almost the same people, Ukrainian citizens made it clear they don't want to join Russia. With Korea, back in 2008 China did create the North East project which claimed that Koguryeo is historically Chinese. That's the first step from Korea's perspective that China started the propaganda campaign "justification" to later annex North Korea or likely even South Korea. Of course it won't happen currently because of Kim Jong un's on friendly terms with China.

[@camphylobacter93]

If i were ning ning living and promoting in a country where the anti china sentiment were pretty high, i would be very careful with my action.

[@hipployta]

What annoys me is that in no other business except Kpop do people expect individuals to adhere to imbalanced and and unfair contracts OR dislike people completing their contracts and moving on. There is nothing wrong with Chinese idols going back to their home market and working. In fact some companies specifically send their idols to China to develop parallel careers in China while still under contract to receive a cut from their work there. If they were in unfair contracts they would want to exit them if they could. Korea JUST adjusted their financial banking practices to allow foreign idols to receive equal and full pay. It's wild.

[@amishasweetie]

Do you know who they are talking about in terms of going back to China and bad mouthing Korea?

[@Lea520]

Going back to China? Or you mean ditching their group members, faking injuries and filing lawsuits against KR entertainment companies while they violate the contract in the first place?

[@amishasweetie]

@@Lea520 I stg who are you guys talking about 😫😫😫

[@Lea520]

@@amishasweetie google exo Chinese member. And fx and super junior and nct lucus and wjsn There’re too fking many Chinese members always fuck things up. Not respecting a single bit of their group activity. Their behaviour makes people lost faith in them

[@SadiaIslamShouki]

@@Lea520 all the exo's Chinese members were mistreated. I mean present members still get mistreatment and you think rookie chinese members didn’t get bad treatment? Exo members mentioned several time how SM used to and still treat them. No Artistic freedom( present members craving to make music by their own by company cancel many songs which composed and written by members) all 3 had every rights to sue them, leave them( whatever k** did by not informing members is bad)for Henry, after so many years he was just a additional member. F(x) as whole got most mistreatment. Now all left. It’s not always Chinese ( anyone can be)artist's fault . Companies themself are greedy and Haena like.

[@crystalrose7921]

Well said about Chinese culture danny. I use your statement when i discuss this issue here in the US.

[@gatesofdawn]

While I agree (as an immigrant myself) with the stance of "when in Rome do as the Romans", I do agree with Dan that the NingNing controversy only started specifically because she is Chinese (as with Yiren). For example, would there be this much controversy if hypothetically a white western idol (not saying they're many ones, much less relevant ones) refused to do a deep bow? Surely some would complain because it always happens but would there be /backlash/ of this extent? I feel that in a case like this most people would understand that it feels too forced and disingenuous nearly to partake in such a respected tradition. It's like when I go to Church as a non-catholic, I don't go up to receive communion (I could, even just to receive a blessing) but I don't feel like it's my place to do so (and not because I have a problem with it, just out of respect). I'm sure if any of us, non-koreans/Japanese were in that situation we would also not feel entirely comfortable with it and not because of ego or anything of the sort, just it doesn't feel "ours". Maybe some of us would just do it but I personally think I'd feel very uncomfortable about it.

[@Clovis_Rose]

Absolutely fantastic episode. I had a really great time watching and I especially enjoyed the humor you added throughout. So entertaining!!!

[@thv3510]

That Nose mask made me burst out of laughter Sry Danny and David 😂😂..BTS concert Finally here!🤩

[@huangmaobaimao]

this will have huge impact on other chinese idols like in Seventeen, Nct dream,, gidles pentagon and other groups

[@TeshniKiKwang]

Personally I agree with what David is saying. But as a Canadian, there are often stigmas around China as well... and though it roots from the issues that Canada-Chinese-USA relations are, there is no need to drag KPOP idols or other celebrities into these political issues, etc. The problem is the way how netizens, whether Korean, Chinese, American, Canadian, etc. are expressing their hatred online. There should be less interventions and relations of political issues with mainstream/pop culture. There should be a clear line drawn. It makes celebrities and music look cheap and insignificant. Music should be a way that we unite fans and people internationally. I know idols and love for them is imbedded in KPOP culture, but there should be control around what is mentioned and what is said online... or at least trying to.

[@afinecashewwholovesfood6042]

It’s annoying when people don’t understand other cultures. Like in China, it is not necessary to bow...when the other Chinese member had her hand together and shaking it side to side, I can mean being thankful and luck

[@justlim622]

Why was she joking around while others were bowing? She was being very disrespectful

[@christinakavanagh3912]

I think the nose mask stuff is very interesting! Thanks for the content Danny!

[@520mil]

Watched till the end... the soju glass now in my bucket list

[@purnimaarana]

Are you guys going to BTS concert danny david??

[@yuls_minki]

Most likely

[@jennaeveliina313]

@6:49 and also @8:00

[@kyungsoo]

in my opinion, yiren and ningning could've at least given a 90 degree bow or maybe just bow their head in respect if kneeling is considered sacred in their culture.. i think the fact that they just stood and got playful while everyone else knelt is why knetz got upset? or is bowing considered a nono for them too? someone enlighten me on this pls

[@justlim622]

Ning Ning was joking around while others were bowing. She was being very disrespectful

[@twicestan5947]

@@justlim622 that was yiren not ningning

[@bwcarter921]

I like how you guys break down heavily-packed and sensitive material. Vury guud.

[@oBELYo]

OMG! why it took me this long?? Danny looks like that bodyguard from The Penthouse!! LOOOOOOL

[@김민연-h8v]

I am Korean and I don't hate China and you will never hate it

[@nataliaswain8654]

When in Rome... I think this saying applies specially when showing respect in any culture.

[@Markus0021]

As a child, I was taught 'when you are a guest in someone else's house, you should follow THEIR rules' - so when I got older and visited other countries and religious faiths, I tried my best to follow THEIR etiquette and customs, not my own - I felt that was the polite and correct thing to do. On the other hand, I can understand if someone feels strongly against the beliefs of another culture, they might not want to follow those customs - but if it were me, if I felt THAT strongly against those customs and beliefs, I wouldn't visit that place to begin with. I certainly wouldn't move there on a permanent (or even several years) basis. On the OTHER other hand, simply expressing support for your own country doesn't seem out of line - using the analogy of visiting other homes, even if I'm at a friend's house, I can still say I love my parents, while still following the customs and rules of the friend's parents.

[@justlim622]

Why was she joking around while others were bowing? She was being very disrespectful

[@bokjookim8568]

I agree. Like sometimes lisa of BP instead of bowing all the way, would bow with her hands together which is the sign of respect in her country. Jackson of GOT7 was from China himself and people loved him in SK bec he was able to blend in. I'm not korean so idk what kind of alternative ningning could've done bug she could've at least stood still and nodded while the girls bowed.

[@lunali7209]

@@bokjookim8568 lol what? lisa got racist hate from knetz bc she wore an off shoulder dress to an award show once and recently for her solo promotions. also jackson got a lot of hate recently bc he went to china and is mainly promoting solo there . no matter how respectful foreign idols are, they still get hate. esp lisa.. she never did anything wrong and even laughed along with koreans making fun of the thai language and STILL got racist hate. so dont twist it by pulling a "look at the good foreigners, koreans dont hate them!!1!" thats just not true

[@az1126]

I think it is ok if they don’t want to do the deep bow... however how they are acting when it is serious and respectful situation isn’t really correct, they might not be able to kneel but can’t they at least be serious and do a normal bow to at least convey sincerity

[@thelizardhedd]

Believe me guys, that $9 was well spent on the masks. I had such a good laugh seeing how stupid these things actually are lololol. WHAT IF THE FOOD DOESN’T SMELL RIGHT?!?! Gonna be eating moldy ass food on top of looking like a damn goofball

[@woodwinds101]

Love you guys! Thank you for the laughs and keep up the good work!

[@Oscario8]

I just love how you guys take sometimes the most random topics and elevate the conversation with very insightful or well-reasoned comments instead of just playing the outrage card. I'm into international relations and politics as much as I'm into Kpop so you guys ARE my Love and my Leashes !

[@saucyminxmeag]

Loved watching BTS in the movie theater in Oklahoma. And Love and Leashes was soooo good!!

[@matchapaca7121]

Although i'm chinese, as i'm born in indonesia i call myself indonesian. I can't comment anything about china and korea, but my heart still hurts reading the comments about ningning, i feel like i'm attacked too.

[@hellenwen154]

I feel like a lot of people are assuming things and hating without having read the original bubble messages. I can read Chinese here is my translation: “I heard China won its first gold, yay” “I heard from my home room teacher that two students are gold medalist, I am proud to have come from such a great teacher” “I think all athletes are wonderful and deserve respect” “People from every country are one big family”

[@allons_y1001]

NingNing is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. 😔 Do they not realize she is having to walk a tight rope all the time just trying to fulfill her dreams? If she gets on the wrong side of the PRC, they could make her and her family's lives hell. If she breathes wrong and angers k-nets, she's flooded with hate. The girl is literally only trying to sing and dance, for Pete's sake! If the situation was reversed and a Korean idol went to China and followed Chinese traditions of paying respect instead of doing them in the Korean way, would k-nets be proud or label them as traitorous? My guess is the later... because k-nets are apparently NEVER happy with anything idols (foreign or domestic) say or do. Just about every DKDK News there seems to be a "K-nets are angry" segment... when does it end? How are they not exhausted being angry all the damn time? By all means, hate on the PRC government... but save your anger/hate for the people who are in charge and/or pointedly being hostile towards Korea... not some young performer only trying to keep two abusers simultaneously happy.

[@Lea520]

Do you really still believe some that can travel aboard to become an idol don’t have any background or connection with the government? Stop being so naive. Normal kids in China can’t even get a nice job because it’s all about connection. Bet she will ditch her group in 1 or 2 years like many other Chinese idols such as wjsn exo everglow. Mark my words

[@justlim622]

Ning Ning was joking around while others were bowing. She was being very disrespectful

[@chloeminh2366]

i went to the california ptd concert but i want to go watch it theaters because i am feeling post-concert blues for sure

[@kyungsoo]

i cant with how those kosks look like pantyliners dskahdjkajhdgsjk

[@hollygolightly4292]

This was very informational, especially the history of Korea and China. Very dark past.

[@amishasweetie]

I am so scared for WAYV’s future

[@allons_y1001]

🥺💚

[@DefineMorena]

Yeah..

[@sincerelysof]

I understand that Koreans may see it as offensive when someone does not participate in their culture, like the formal bowing to greet someone for the New Year. However, if it is going against someone else’s culture/beliefs and they choose not to do it, it is their decision and we should respect that as well. It is not like these idols are trying to disrespect the Korean culture. They may just feel uncomfortable doing it, whatever their reason may be. I personally am religious and in my religion it is not okay to bow like that for anyone but for God. So, if I were an idol, I’d probably do the same like the Chinese idols. A different way of greeting to still be respectful, but not a full bow. I hope the hate towards Ningning stops. She deserves so much love 💕

[@manuelli88]

You can tell that the person that created love and leashes did their research. It was a cute, funny, and suggestive of a movie.

[@lchen2522]

As a Chinese American who is very critical of the Chinese government, there's just no winning for me. All rhetoric criticizing China inevitably turns on all Chinese people. In America, all Asian Americans deal with the perpetual foreigner syndrome, where society keeps questioning our loyalty. From the Chinese perspective, they think we should be loyal to China and deems us as traitors otherwise. All the legitimate and illegitimate criticism has driven most Chinese citizens and some overseas Chinese to be very defensive of China. There's no simple answers to how to argue the geopolitics of it all without devolving into racism and sinophobia. This winter Olympics for America has an underlying focus on the "bad" and "good" immigrant narrative, between Eileen Gu who chose to represent China vs Nathan Chen who represents America. With both being bashed by opposite countries.

[@greentea8852]

I’d like to see a reliable source when Nathan Chen is bashed by Chinese? I’m a figure skating fan.

[@sashimicity]

Since when was Nathan Chen bashed by c-netz? From what I've seen they are indifferent to him and largely ignore him.

[@amyt6318]

Nathan Chen was not bashed by by chinese netizens, that is fake news.

[@greentea8852]

@@amyt6318 I thought so, that's why I asked for a source. But Beijing really is amazing accommodatig Yuzuru Hanyu, even though he's Japanese and did not make it to podium they allowed him to have pres conf just for him, he got over 20k fanletters and created Yuzu face with over 500 drones in Quangzhou

[@lchen2522]

Don't know what happened to my earlier comment but I added a link the the South China Morning Post with the title "Winter Olympics: online fans attack US gold medallist Nathan Chen over ‘humiliating China’ while showering Japan’s Yuzuru Hanyu with love and admiration". And the article included "The scene under Chen’s neutral-sounding hashtag, however, was far from neutral. Netizens lashed out at Chen’s routine, calling it “acrobatics of a circus monkey” and criticising a perceived lack of aesthetic appeal. Many descended into personal attacks, comparing the athlete to a monkey." But believe whatever you want.

[@lornaweis7759]

Nice Sweatshirt! Love from Minnesota.

[@SS-xg2qh]

will you go to the concert? make a vlog!

[@miriam2049]

they have a whole global live streaming via theatres in so many countries, so I find it very very unlikely that they will cancel the concerts.

[@kathyhoward4501]

Let us know when we can order the coasters again.

[@Ash-bn5bn]

But where can i get the nose mask? I think it would be interesting to try. Only place i see it is coupang, but its not letting me buy it with american cell number

[@unicorn1420]

I am a north eastern Indian and I have my very own culture too so I think if I can have a really mindful behaviour towards my own culture and if I can understand how important it is for me I definitely would be able to understand how important others' culture can be too towards them. So, if these Chinese Idols are so respectful towards their culture I cannot understand why they wouldn't understand the fact that Korean culture can be important too for Koreans as well. I am right now questioning are they REALLY respectful towards their very own culture too? 😶

[@stellasunshine7281]

Jin said in a live the concert is close to bringing them losses but they don't care as they want to finally meet

[@monx1983]

in the banner: idols with covid, there's a typo on nmixx bae written as "bay"

[@anaisc8733]

I think people should also understand other cultures, when I travel myself, I don't keep my habits due to my culture at all costs, and on the contrary, I learn and I show respect to the country I visit or in which I will spend time. Just like wanting to live in another country, you learn the language, the history, and therefore the culture as a whole. Well these Chinese idols, in my opinion should do the same thing in South Korea, but the problem remains in the fact of the tension between South Korea and China, and that neither of the two countries wishes to "submit" to another, and so the smallest things - which have meanings for one - like bowing out of respect, is seen by the Chinese as a humiliation. It's sad, because having the opportunity to live in another country, to learn another culture should be praised, rather than wanting to stay in one's culture at all costs. People find it hard to understand that one can be respectful and eager to learn a culture without forgetting one's identity and origins. However, the hatred towards these groups is very and - too - intense, the backlash of netizens whether in China towards RM or in South Korea towards NingNing (and other Chinese idols) should be rational and calm, especially in view of the political situation and put out the fire.

[@justlim622]

Why was she joking around while others were bowing? She was being very disrespectful

[@anaisc8733]

@@justlim622 I think that the fact she didn't choose to bow and stay still while others were paying respect made her maybe uncomfortable so she probably wanted to look at ease and enjoying her time. I don't think it particularly meant to be disrespectful or add fuel to the fire, she probably didn't know what to do with herself while the others were bowing.

[@annsarang4832]

KINGS, BTS, IS COMING BACK 💜 Lezgooooooo!!

[@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971]

BTS KINGS

[@jinswifeu952]

Yessssss 👏👏

[@tasia_3434]

I understand what David said here very well! In the situation between Korea and China, I understand the position of the Koreans as a people who have been under pressure from a larger and more aggressive country for centuries. I am from Ukraine and we have a similar situation with Russia: the appropriation of national elements of clothing, art, achievements, territories, food (borscht is considered a Russian cuisine by the whole world, although this is erroneous). We were also enslaved by the Russian Empire, then by the USSR. Therefore, even though the situation between our countries is different, I can understand the frustration accumulated by generations. It's hard to exist next to a huge empire. The bigger you are, the louder you speak. I'm not justifying the actions of netizens, I just can understand how this reaction could happen. Girls did nothing illegal or immoral tho.

[@ЕкатеринаЕремеева-п3ь]

In fact, it’s sad, because this is how politics works, I’m from Russia, and my relatives are from Ukraine, here many people treat Ukrainians quite normally, it’s a pity that there is such hatred between the two countries, although there are good people everywhere, in all countries, and no one really deserves to be hated

[@lightefilit]

It's not even that different (except for full on war that we have, of course). China and Russia are very similar in their politics and ideologies. You're right though. I also totally understand where all the China hate is coming from as a Ukrainian. I might not agree with hating on all Russian people (fully support hate on Russia as a state), but I absolutely understand where it's coming from and wouldn't dismiss it. Same with Ning Ning. It's sad to see this cause she seems like a lovely person, but I get where it's coming from 😔

[@christinakavanagh3912]

Hi Anastasia! I’m Australian and my son snd I worry every day at what is happening to you

[@christinakavanagh3912]

We hope you will be ok and Russia will leave you in peace .

[@lightefilit]

@@christinakavanagh3912 they will never do that unless the current Russian power is destroyed.

[@fdlynch]

So I have always love the Chinese culture, people, and (Americanized) food. I feel the same way about Japan and South Korea. I love South Korea and still want to live there. There is only one issue I have with all of them: I'm not a fan of their governments. I'm American and I'm not a fan of my own government. I just think it's wrong to throw the people of a country under the bus because of the way the government is. So are we going to start hating on Jackson, Chenle, Renjun, WayV, Yanan, etc. Just because they say they support it the "One China" policy? Have people forgotten that if they spoke out against it, they as well as their loved ones and employees could all "disappear"? I think we all should try to look through the lens of that culture instead of our own before making judgements.

[@jennliv2141]

except your perception of the CCP is most likely based on propaganda and lies spread by the Western media

[@rebeccahuo8870]

@@jennliv2141 I’m Chinese and I can quite confidently confirm that the CCP is as unreasonable as the media portrays it. Have you seen how their little minions start deleting internet comments when the comments are not in their favour? I know plenty of Chinese people in China who are afraid to speak up against the government, if they can disappear a top Chinese actress, what’s stopping them from oppressing ordinary people?

[@filianoctu21]

In Puerto Rico , Bad Bunny gave a concerts in a weekend before Christmas, later Tuesday all the Island almost got COVID, AND THE SHUTDOWN THE ISLAND CHRISTMAS SEASON. BUT IT WAS SO WORTH IT. SO ENJOY BTS YOLO I AM SURE IS GONNA BE WORTHY.

[@kinsta2949]

Lol so selfish

[@jaeggirl]

Wow great summary, David. Regarding the reason on why the sentiments towards China in Korea is getting more and more hateful... I appreciate the slight history lesson and am interested to read more on this now.

[@GOLDHenArmy]

I’m a Canadian born and raised in Canada. I’m also Chinese. But I’m a Canadian first and foremost. I hope and pray that SK’s don’t hate me. Not all Chinese are the same. I live in a beautiful democratic country with a nutty Prime Minister. Love you guys!

[@Annnabannanna]

I've been wearing my mask like that to eat since day 1 of covid.

[@yunyunnoyb1519]

I think I can empathize with chinese idols and chinese netizens, as someone coming from a culture and religion that completely forbids those kinds of gestures (Bowing especially, or standing up for someone etc..), I would literally prefer to lose my job, my friends or pretty much anything in life rather than doing these kind of gestures. And I don't mean to disrespect any culture of course, it's just that it's interesting that there are cultures and religions that completely forbid what other cultures and religions enforce, does that mean they are not compatible ? Or is it a matter of openess and comprehension ?

[@justlim622]

Why was she joking around while others were bowing? She was being very disrespectful

[@yunyunnoyb1519]

@@justlim622 I think she was feeling a bit awkward, you know the feeling when you're all awkward you feel like you have to do something and end up doing stupid stuff, I think that's what it is. I don't think she meant to be disrespectful, she's just a child.

[@justlim622]

@@yunyunnoyb1519 That can be misinterpreted. She needs to learn better. There is no excuse.

[@yunyunnoyb1519]

@@justlim622 Can't agree, sorry.

[@justlim622]

@@yunyunnoyb1519 don’t matter what you think.

[@leem6005]

Did you get your hat at BTS LA show? Were you there?

[@niklitis]

China shouldn’t be stealing culture/history/etc, but the Kpop industry/fans shouldn’t be taking out their anger at this on individual Chinese people. Every person is so much more than just their ethnicity or nationality and should be treated as such.

[@리시나몬]

Exactly

[@Mimi-mq2wj]

China doesn’t even need to steal Korean history. I don’t even know why they’re doing it. Their culture is much more diverse and rich anyway? So why?????

[@lilkurama1150]

I felt bad for ningning, first of all she know about bowing sensitivity issue both from his china side & korea cultural. This issue not just fire up only in korea but also media in china bring this issue to the mass by praise yuren not bowing before & Cnetizen there hunting any chinese idol who bow as other korean idol do. NingNing got no choice must take care of her future safety & future market in china, this issue not rise before, after olympic issue drag to another issue. Yes she have totally right to support her country but the timing is really really bad after what happen to RM & hanbook issue.This is nor her fault because she got that china win by her teacher not knowing what happen that time. Even hyoyeon & actress park shin hye getting attack by Cnetizen because wearing hanbook in insta. Also jennie getting attack because support korean athlete privately. Korean really like aespa, aespa is huge succes after debut in korea. Aespa is really monster rookie after itzy popularity in korea is dropping because their new song not make korean interested. This controversy give huge impact for aespa in the future. Imagine fansign event at korea we will see unpleasant scene for ningning. As per david say the hatred toward china is build up for many issue before bring to immature & blind hatred to chinese idol. Nmixx with full korean + 1 half gonna debut. They're probably gonna be new korean favourite GG in future.

[@ame2232]

Oh, I'm relieved that there is no Chinese member in the new JYP group.

[@justlim622]

Why was she joking around while others were bowing? She was being very disrespectful

[@ezsebetish2010]

I'm American, so I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I think if someone wants to promote products or make money in Korea, one needs to not disrespect Korea and Korean culture. As much as Western cultures have problems with Asian Hate, Japan and China have sensitive historical issues and cultural appropriation. Would either of them tolerate a person from another country doing some of the recent behaviors? I'm for free speech, but also think one's speech can have consequences. On a side note, I really love you guys and Nakd Seoul.

[@sardinesandpyjamas]

That mask is just hilarious if I see someone walking down the street I'd just simply stop and point and laugh

[@Yeathatsmee]

Guys where and when can I get valid tickets? WITHOUT Army MEMBERSHIP.? plz help. thanks.

[@jdb6026]

That intro look got me so bad hahahahhaa

[@미헤이-y7g]

i also hope bts concert won't be cancelled and hope the cases there go down. its also the same here nobody really cares about covid anymore its treated like another cold

[@shad0wCh8ser]

Chinese American here (1st gen), I was was told that we don't kneel or bow to no one. I'm American so my attitude was more like a The F do I care about that. LOL But when the topic comes up bc my parents watch some kinda of movie and caught some feelings, the discussing comes up. And I believe the Chinese culture of NOT kneeling/bowing was a left over means of protest for the oppression, a form of submission, from when the Imperial Japanese Army used that custom, their custom, as a means to dominate and subjugate the Chinese ppl so most Chinese ppl don't feel too good about doing that. All Asian ppl are prideful people. You know, old unresolved trauma and all. You respect your parents and your grandparents, ect so you listen to their teaching and certain Japanese customs of anything that reminds them of the group of ppl that basically were like Asian Nazis to them, would be taught that you don't do those customs from the people who tortured and terrorized your ancestors. (You know Asian ppl hold grudges.🤣Petty AF bc Asian ppl don't know how to talk about their feelings. They just suppress everything down and work until they blow up on something silly like you didn't wash the dishes.) So when that conversations come up, it was always referenced back to the the Japanese, but since there are some traditional customs spill over from when Japan controlled Korea, I think Chinese ppl just sees that as a Japanese custom that you don't do that if you have any self-respect. (You can look into where the bowing culture began from for Koreans. I always thought it was from Japan's influence. I didn't know much about Korean traditions but when I was learning it from show, I was kinda like: huh, they have a lot of Japanese influence it would seem. I don't know if that custom is traditionally Korean or was Japanese influenced and I'm not trying to "claim" traditions but I also thought a lot of the things I saw represented in Korean show were very Chinese. For the most part, I'm American so I have no skin in the game to say no that's "ours." I just wanted to be like look at what you're wearing to all these online chatter on both side. It's all western influences and it's okay. YOU think jeans are Asian in any sense of the fashion? LOL. If you look at clothes, food, and culture, heck, religion, it's all western, Anglo influenced. You don't see western countries getting up in arms like that's "ours" so you need shake my hand when you see me. The online chatter/argument is kinda nonsense. I mean they're mad at the Chinese Communist government and want to take it out on a Chinese idol that is barely an adult whose only been taught how to sing, dance, and pose for pictures.)

[@kathleensauerbrei5199]

A very interesting discussion about the relationship between China and South Korea. Actually I learned quite a bit from this discussion thank you gentlemen it was enlightening.

[@qt2543]

did I attend ptd in la for 3 days? yes will i attend ptd in seoul? yes

[@chillen8413]

I’m not surprised they go back to China and talk crap on korea. They get brutalized in the news all the time. Why would they go back to China and be like korea was so sweet.

[@ambra8957]

That mask...no just no...it looks like you are wearing a femine hygiene product 😆

[@alvalba__]

i agree people shouldn’t forget history but we can’t hold that upon each and everyone just because they’re from that said country which did some bad in the past when these young people didn’t even take part in that historical issue i also think all of us should be critical with our own countries because that’s they way we can try to make a change for our own good, because no country is perfect also the act of other people’s wrong acting shouldn’t affect others just because they share the same native country

[@amv15]

My only critique bout the bowing is just sit there and wait till it's over dont be bouncing and goofing around

[@antimime666]

When it comes to racism, all countries are racist toward their neighbors.

[@BrandInMT]

I’m okay with not bowing; however, be respectful of/to those that are observing. Don’t “screw” around!

[@donitapolk9413]

David, what you spoke of about the historical/political relationship between China and Korea sounds quite a bit like how Africans were viewed as ... I'll stay nice ... less than human. When you first started your explanation, this was my first thought. Thank you both for all of your explanations.💜

[@jinroe9910]

The mask look like sanitary pad😂

[@loveitftw]

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