I'm a big PXG fan - bought the 0211's. PXG customer service is second to none - when they did a huge price drop on the 0211's after I'd bought them, PXG gave me the difference in a PXG voucher. I love the look of these new ones.
@JohnnyDSR5 ай бұрын
Same here. I purchased their 0211STs (during the Covid years) which were solid forged, beautiful and felt absolutely great! I kept buying PXG and Gen 4, 5 and 6 trading in older revs at upgrading. Glad I held off on purchasing the all chrome look Gen 6 and will move to the Gen7 which checks off that box for me. I know I won't lose ground on the tech either, just better! I will never get rid of my 0211STs however, they are that good and to this day wonder why PXG discontinued them since they were pure blades! They were also selling at a ridiculous low price as well! If anyone has insight on the 0211STs
@sumitagg15 ай бұрын
Love these new club releases. Helps buy the prior year “best” irons affordable. Case in point, I picked up mizuno Jpx that I got fitted into for 40% off
@lmon20175 ай бұрын
Cool story, bro.
@joshuat71715 ай бұрын
@@lmon2017 It was, sis.
@chief11935 ай бұрын
I been playing JPX 919 tour since they came out. Best irons I ever played.
@scott485 ай бұрын
I’ve already gotten 4 rounds in with the Gen 7 0311P and they are by far the best PXG irons I have ever played. Great video.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Good to hear
@demsareunamerican68005 ай бұрын
How did you do that? Only released earlier for Heros.
@scott485 ай бұрын
@@demsareunamerican6800 I received through Hero’s Theyre great
@austinglen81763 ай бұрын
Just ordered, wasn’t sure based off design I had the best club fitted which was the P (players). The XP I thought could shot shape more and grow with me as a 10 handicap, but I found out that it’s actually the larger face design (P) that’s meant for mid low handicappers and shot shaping. Stoked to get them in 2 days 💪
@austinglen81763 ай бұрын
Just ordered, wasn’t sure based off design I had the best club fitted which was the P (players). The XP I thought could shot shape more and grow with me as a 10 handicap, but I found out that it’s actually the larger face design (P) that’s meant for mid low handicappers and shot shaping. Stoked to get them in 2 days 💪
@banditbaker16755 ай бұрын
Glad to see that you are still rocking with PXG Andy, must admit that the GEN7 looks superb👍👍
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Great to hear from you Paul, hope you are well pal
@banditbaker16755 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer Yes thanks Andy, there's still life in the old bugger, I'm glad to say.👍👍 Looks like the channel is still doing well and you are nearly at the 100k with your membership, well done.
@Koyoo115 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolferHow do you feel about Gen 6 vs Gen 7 p versions I’m looking to grab one just don’t know if the Gen 7 is worth the extra 500 bucks
@GOLFADDICT65Ай бұрын
@@Koyoo11 what did you end up getting ? and how are they ?
@Koyoo11Ай бұрын
@@GOLFADDICT65 I ended up going with the 0317Ts I love them they feel great and are forgiving for their size for sure. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.
@wadepreston34015 ай бұрын
Thanks Andy, would like to hear more on the XP vs the P distance wise, Ian thinking the full set just to gain some distance, and maybe still have similar spin and height ?
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yes I may well do that
@pschilleru5 ай бұрын
I have started drinking the PXG Kool-Aid! I just received my Gen 7 irons. Do you think, as I do, that Bob Parsons is the Eli Callaway of the 21st century? The biggest separator of PXG for me is the individual fittings at their stores. There is no limitation of the choices to try, unlike PGA Tour Superstore - where the fine-tuning is done via guesswork. Matt Russel at the Atlanta location was fantastic. At a PXG location, you have not only all the head and shaft options to try but also swing weight combinations! Matt was able to bend and modify the loft and lie right in the fitting bay for me to find the most optimal numbers based on Trackman data. To coin it in a single word - Marvelous!
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yes the custom fit process is unique and it is the kind of detail which ensures the clubs are fitted as the very best option for your own unique swing
@alvermeil58845 ай бұрын
As always, I enjoyed your reviews because I can relate to you.
@paulmcgee18675 ай бұрын
👏🏻
@jacqueslevesque65765 ай бұрын
Thank you for the great review. They are certainly at the top of my wish list!
@GOLFADDICT652 ай бұрын
I am debating between the PXG Gen 7 XP or the PXG Black Ops 5 - PW , GW other than the 520 canadian dollars difference in price I am still having a tough time choosing ( I know first world problems ) I am 59 and play with a 8 handicap arthritis and father time is catching up to me so i am looking for something forgiving and easy to hit and something for distance also I am unable to get fitted due to location your thoughts ? or anyone elses is welcomed thx cheers from Canada OH or should i be looking at the GEN 6 P series ?
@deanmackogolf80235 ай бұрын
I play the 0211 irons and my 7 iron backspin is similar to yours. The ball will absolutely hold the green even though the backspin is in the 4,500 range. For the next review, maybe show a close up of the green to how much roll out there was.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yes I’ve harped on about this for many years, a low spin number from a mat isn’t anything like performance on a green as you have pointed out
@ivanlevrone2475 ай бұрын
0211 irons are gorgeous!
@kevinbergeron73335 ай бұрын
Love your videos! Keep up the great work. The first thing I thought of about the new 0311 Gen. 7 remind me of a hybrid version of the old 0311 and 0211. Just my opinion, I have the 0211 XCOR2 and love them.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yeah I can see what you are saying
@markeister851821 күн бұрын
Andy which shafts did you chose for your Gen 7 irons?? Thank you!
@DonAl91145 ай бұрын
Hello Andy , thank you so much. These irons looks stunning. Nice golf course. 😊😊😊
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@ernestovidales13605 ай бұрын
How would you compare the 0211 XCORE? I’m really intrigued by these but also like the price of the 0211’s. Great job, appreciate your work.
@davidree28585 ай бұрын
what would be the comparison to taylormade irons? would the P be similar to the P770, and the XP be P790?
@johntinkler67185 ай бұрын
Excellent review Andy. Strangely, despite my predilection for more traditional clubs, I find PXG clubs quite appealing. I'd be tempted by PXG if fitting was more readily available. Not really got anywhere to pick up a demo club and give it a serious workout.
@Chevycorvette19905 ай бұрын
Still loving my Gen 5 Irons but like the new Gen 7 might have to check them out thanks Andy great vid as always
@JimmyHall-xc7xj2 ай бұрын
Great review Andy I have the cor2 irons I love the feel and sound of them but this review is getting thinking should I change should I get fit ?? I’m actually thinking I should just go PXG for the whole bag next season they’re clubs are so good
@jaykay63875 ай бұрын
Titleist irons did the "tungsten insert" thing in the early seventies! I thought this was going to be one of those "throwback" features!
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
@@jaykay6387 this has zero to do with being a tungsten insert 🙄 Titleist never made it interchangeable nor part of their custom fit process did they?
@jaykay63875 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer Of course not. My comment was not a criticism, was just trying to have some fun, as I soon as I saw that round insert my mind jumped back to those clubs.
@aspencer095 ай бұрын
Ohhh these look nice! Great work Andy 👍🏌️
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
They are!
@alexgoulding84595 ай бұрын
Hey Andy, noticed these were fit in graphite iron shafts. Is that the same as your previous fittings? If not, how has this changed your feel and numbers? What shafts did you get fit for?
@bobandjanetdavis35665 ай бұрын
answer re shafts, Andy?
@martinrobertson32685 ай бұрын
Have had pxg irons and woods from when PXG1s came out and they are fantastic clubs have got PXG5s now and look forward to trying the 7s
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Let me know what you think of them
@martynmurfitt-wrather75555 ай бұрын
I think the concept is interesting and certainly the industrial look in earlier models caught the eye - sadly here in the golfing desert that is east anglia, there is no where to see/try the clubs - and it has to be said that the price is eye-watering (although this true for all the major brands)
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
The golfing desert of east Anglia 🤣🤣👍
@martynmurfitt-wrather75555 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer yes there are limited choices for golf in this part of the World 😊
@thomashcase4 ай бұрын
I am not quite understanding your point on blended set given the huge difference in lofts. Was it 7-W/A in "P" and 4/5/6 in "XP" or was 7 in XP? Looking at the 7 loft, there is 3 degrees difference between the P and XP. If 7 is in XP, then one goes from 7 at 27 to 8 P at 34 (7 degrees gap). If between 6 and 7, you still have 6 in XP at 23 to 7 in P at 30, which is still 7 degrees. So, for average golfer's where should the gap be. it almost seems like the 4 in the XP at 18 degrees is getting too low and should be hybrid or fairway. The 4 in P at 20.5 seems to me where the bottom should be for irons. Just wondering how one would blend.
@briantreadwell22064 ай бұрын
Innovative progression always welcome
@jeffroberts28535 ай бұрын
I'm using pxg Gen 4, thinking to up grade to grafite shafts. What do you use??
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yes it is an MMT graphite 85g stiff
@GOLFADDICT65Ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer i am going with the MMT 70g regular in the Gen 7 P or the Gen 6 P man i can 't wait
@JohnnyDSR5 ай бұрын
Hard to make out in your video if you are using the MMT graphite shaft or not. Graphite shafts combined with the PXG tech really reduces vibration, sound and feel. Especially pleasing for the over 60 crowd regardless of handicap. Just curious on your thoughts about shaft selection during your fittings since PXG has a very good selection of free graphite options and well as premium vs the steel shafts like True Temper Elevate and the others?
@davidmarkowski2205 ай бұрын
How are they compared to the Gen6 P irons? I have the Gen 6 P irons, and find them very forgiving. Great video as always. Cheers
@GOLFADDICT65Ай бұрын
I am trying to decide between the GEN 7 P or the GEN 6 P or the XP's this is tougher than i thought LOL
@MMcG255 ай бұрын
Wilson Staff were doing this in their irons back in the 70s - what's old is new again.
@paulmcgee18675 ай бұрын
Always 😂
@demsareunamerican68005 ай бұрын
What was Wilson doing in the 70's? They weren't doing this at all. How so?
@MMcG255 ай бұрын
@@demsareunamerican6800 they had irons where you could change weights in the back. Might have been 73 Staff tour blades. I had a set
@demsareunamerican68005 ай бұрын
@MMcG25 all ok, I'll look that up.
@demsareunamerican68005 ай бұрын
@MMcG25 yep, I see what you're talking about. Pretty cool for the 70's.
@randallpennington59765 ай бұрын
I have never played one length clubs but I bet with the port in the iron head this would be easy to make into one length irons?
@jeffroberts28535 ай бұрын
What's shafts do you use??
@jeffreyroberts74385 ай бұрын
We have the same name!
@johnnewman76055 ай бұрын
Andy. U say they r strong lofted but what is the loft on the pw and 7? Cheers
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
The 7 iron is 30* in the P and 27* in the XP
@garethmorgan74745 ай бұрын
Nice looking clubs I must say
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
They have a real good finish to them, quality build
@markk46725 ай бұрын
Can you provide your Gen7 specs? Interested in the weight you chose for the back of the club head. Are you still playing Steelfibers?
@garymutch6015 ай бұрын
Hi Andy, great video again and these irons certainly look the part aesthetically. I’m using my Callaway Paradym irons and was wondering about changing. I’m 9 handicap and do you think the XP would be best to try.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Hi Gary, it depends the reason you are changing, I was really surprised by the performance of the XP main reason the ball flight and launch was far higher that the strong lofts would suggest. They also appear to be forgiving across the club face, if you can get to one of the custom fit centres I would try them both
@garymutch6015 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info and I will certainly give them a try. 🤙
@rcp2bTube5 ай бұрын
Edel irons has used center screw a while.
@paulmcgee18675 ай бұрын
@@rcp2bTube and Callaway?
@rcp2bTube5 ай бұрын
@@paulmcgee1867 does Callaway also offer different screw weights as part of fitting?
@fernandocampos21455 ай бұрын
I am a ten-handicap golfer. I am considering a mix set. 5-7 irons in the XP and 8-gap in the P! Am I doing it correctly? Please advise
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
I would say yes you are
@fernandocampos21455 ай бұрын
Shaft? My swing speed is 75-80! I feel like a graphite shaft would help me more. What graphite shaft would you recommend for my GEN 7 irons? Please advise!
@GOLFADDICT65Ай бұрын
@@fernandocampos2145 i'm right around the same swing speed with my 7 iron and i am ordering the Mitsibushi MMT 70g regular flex did you order yours already ? if so how do you like them ? cheers
@Angrypanda685 ай бұрын
So would you go for a blended set short iron P and longer XP?.....I am goi g to have to get a PXG fitting 😂
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yes that would be the best option imo
@markhilton49205 ай бұрын
Nice looking club but tad expensive, would think the gen 6 would be the way to go as they will be discounted as always with pxg
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yes always a good move
@stevenstewart13085 ай бұрын
The xp model 7 iron with only 4400rpm of spin is a little scary if its the ball is wet or in the rough. Definitely would need to play a high spinning ball with those.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Your 5 iron spins at 4000rpm doesn’t it? Can you hold a green with it……the answer is yes but also has to be combined time with the correct decent angle, don’t get hung up one data parameter alone 👍
@paulmcgee18675 ай бұрын
@@stevenstewart1308 those balls are available last time I looked
@michaelmalek32975 ай бұрын
How does the xp model size compare to a Ping G430 iron? Which one is larger in width and length?
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Good question, I would say the biggest difference is the shaping rather than the size, Ping has a unique profile whereas the XP is more traditional
@JohnnyDSR5 ай бұрын
Had the Pings G430s , and I would say that sole width if about the same. Top line, not too sure maybe a tad thicker and longer but still a decent looking game improvement iron. Ping's issue for a lot of golfers is their acustics. Having said that, with the PXG you lose the loud click at impact and gain the sound and feel on solid strikes as in Mizuno (245) land but with much more forgiveness! I have both sets so depending how I feel I play one or the other. When you retire you can flaunt a little ! :)
@baysideangler97095 ай бұрын
Lovely review Andy! It appears these custom fit PXG have given you a nice buttery draw instead of your fade! Extra nice!
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
swing change is helping😂
@XX-DeusVult5 ай бұрын
Can you get fit in the UK?
@danchambers69113 ай бұрын
Would these suit a 16 handicapper.?
@markeister85182 ай бұрын
Dan I am a 16 hdc and yes they will serve you just fine!!! Get fit and try the Steelfiber reserve shafts!
@brentmace42915 ай бұрын
How’s the feel in comparison to the 0311. That’s what I’m gaming and love em.
@canyonaro5 ай бұрын
There's loads of discussion about this on GolfWRX. Tons of debate about one generation vs another - most say gen 3 was the closest to a blade feel. I still play gen 3 T; can't get them out of the bag. Maybe gen 7 will do it. 🤷♂️
@gatgolf5 ай бұрын
Andy, are you still playing the aerotech shafts or have you moved on to another type?
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
These are a MMT graphite 85g stiff
@gatgolf5 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer That's good, I think they are less expensive than the Aerotechs. Did you get fit for those or just the ones they sent you to demo? How would you compare them to the I95's?
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
@@gatgolf not sure, the Aerotech are more stable towards the club head which I think I prefer, the MMT seem a little light and although stiff flex they aren’t as per the steelfiber
@gatgolf5 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer Yes I agree. I normally play stiff flex shafts but in the I95 aerotechs have to play the R flex, but they really hold up nicely.
@paulsansom93685 ай бұрын
They look great but how much per iron?
@matthewrichard91585 ай бұрын
229
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
I was told £209 👍
@geno8165 ай бұрын
I play gen 5 XP irons. And I have grown a gap in my clubs. I hit them well.. but my 54 degree goes 110 yards.. my gap is my 130 club, PW (145), 9 (160), 8 (175).. etc... I couldn't imagine hitting these and getting more yardage. Seems like too much.
@suprand5 ай бұрын
Love my 0311p gen 6 with a 4 iron xp. However, these make mine look dated lol
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
The 4 iron XP is a weapon!
@gregnichol82905 ай бұрын
If the 7 iron is only spinning at 4000 rpm what’s the wedge spinning at, you hit them out them semi rough where the normal strike pattern is to strike it slightly higher on the face due to the grass - the spin will massively drop off and you will get major flyers no question about it. That one that launches high and just flies forever. 10 or 15 yards over the back of the green. When will people learn - true forgiveness is consistency. Consistency of spin and therefore distance control. These irons are only any good for long iron replacements as in 4 iron and below
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
It’s always an interesting analysis when people look at only one data parameter in isolation and that is a big mistake. I’ve filmed reviews for over 5 years and during that time my personal spin on a 7 iron is generally no greater than 5500rpm, during that time I have filmed 100’s of on course product tests, I call it reality and I have never struggled to stop a ball on a green with any of those irons, I am afraid many golfers are seriously misled by how much difference 1500-2000rpm actually makes 👍
@gregnichol82905 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer ok mate I’m sure you know best, I know for a fact how much difference it makes. You may find it not to make as much difference at your level but certainly the better you get it makes a much bigger difference. Control and consistency is forgiveness. I get it - distance sells but the people they are selling it to usually aren’t very good 👍
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
@@gregnichol8290 😂
@justinstephenson93605 ай бұрын
The XP may not be for me but those are very impressive numbers. Sure the spin rate is low but the peak height and descent angle means the ball will stop on the green. Whilst I still prefer the old look of the P irons, it is still a very nice looking club, I am just not as keen on it. Loft is just too strong for me. I will stick with my i210s
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
I have filmed a closer look at the XP which will reveal my surprise as to how good they are
@sirtogii52165 ай бұрын
Can see why they have departed from the "industrial" look but for me that is sad. I liked the bold statement they made with the looks. I guess the chase of P790 sales figures made them do it :-/
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yep I am with you a little on that
@craigtalbot93165 ай бұрын
Pxg used to do a lot of fittings here in Northern Ireland but sadly dont see them so much, they have them in golf stores but the experience is no where near what an actual pxg fitting is, real shame because for me its all about the fitting experience and knowledge, 99% of golf store salesmen just dont have
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Yes that is a real shame
@huddwah5 ай бұрын
My old R11 CB's had this weight port over a decade ago... They play great today as they did then.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
They have but it isnt interchangeable at custom fit which makes the significant difference
@huddwah5 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer Great point 👍👍
@ignatiustsui75775 ай бұрын
Similar idea as Taylormade R11irons from 2012.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
As I recall not part of their custom fit process? 🤷♂️
@Kylez12124 ай бұрын
I agree... kinda like a r11 p790 hybrid... which were my two favorite irons so these are very tempting
@andybt39895 ай бұрын
Obviously a good brand, but I will stick to Ping who have served me well and the factory is a short drive away.
@chrisharriden51795 ай бұрын
At $400 + per club they want to be good😮
@chrisbates77435 ай бұрын
4600 is more like a 3 iron !
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Do some research, that’s wildly incorrect…..
@Carsonsaurus5 ай бұрын
I still think the look is too weird with the round weight in the middle.
@stuartrawlings94365 ай бұрын
so dissapointed with pxg only had my gen 6 irons for 3 months and they bring a new version out
@OJ_Pimpson3 ай бұрын
Contact them. Tell them you are unhappy with Gen 6 performance. They have pretty decent CS. They will probably let you do some type of trade in
@jamesgriffin9585 ай бұрын
Are you a sponsored spokesperson for PXG? I have watched your videos for a couple of years now and have always liked the content. So it doesn’t matter much to me. But I do think you shoiuld include your relationship with the company if you are. Whether or not you do a good job pushing the product and I’d love to try the clubs. Thanks
@nikh39015 ай бұрын
PXG sponsor his off the beaten path series. AG has even made a video discussing this sponsorship.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Thanks for stepping in and clearly supporting a lot of the content we produce, it’s appreciated
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
I can confirm I am NOT a spokesperson for PXG
@bloatedsodium73015 ай бұрын
Pretty Xtreme Gimmicks
@raymondlogan24005 ай бұрын
Very obvious "click" to every shot. Stunning looking iron all the same.
@TanyaParker-h5v5 ай бұрын
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@jetdr5 ай бұрын
$2,250 to get these the way I have my current clubs set up!! good lord man. talk about pricing people out of the market. just wait a year, grab them for 1/3 the price
@josemorfin13945 ай бұрын
I'll bet $2250 that in a year they won't be 1/3 of the price. 😂
@jetdr5 ай бұрын
@@josemorfin1394 go buy a set, we will see. all their other models are half price the first 8 months. made in china baby!!
@hypeNT5003 ай бұрын
are you wheelie yellow
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@rubensnaves5 ай бұрын
Why would you want to play a 7 iron at 4.000 rpm? You will hit much more greens with a shorter club at 5.500/6.000 rpm.
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Your 5 iron spins at 4000rpm doesn’t it? Can you hold a green with it……the answer is yes but also has to be combined time with the correct decent angle, don’t get hung up one data parameter alone 👍
@rubensnaves5 ай бұрын
@@TheAverageGolfer I’m sorry ….. you are so wrong. Spin = control ….. with proper spin, you can fly the ball lower, greens become much easier to hold, flight gets much more consistent, etc, etc, etc. For someone with really low speed, ok, there is a point. But I cant understand why would you play a 7i at 4.000 rpm to carry 170y, if you could play at 6.000 and cary 160y. Game becomes much more easy. I imagine you will play the PW at 5.500 and carry 140y. One question, how will you close the gap to your GAP Wedge?
@TheAverageGolfer5 ай бұрын
Ok you know best 👍
@austinbailey13855 ай бұрын
@@rubensnavesmost players looking at these irons are looking for distance, and of those most don’t have the ability to flight it power on demand anyways. So he is right most players that need these irons would be perfectly fine with the low spin since the height and descent angle are still there.
@canyonaro5 ай бұрын
That's not the choice though & it's what many of the traditionalists get wrong. The choice isn't 7i vs 7i - it's club A vs club B from X yardage. This is the upside of "loft jacking." If the 7i goes as far as the old 6i, now you're hitting 8i from 150yds instead of 7. Therefore the proper comparison for this 7i isn't to a 7i that spins 7000 rpm and goes 10 yards less; the proper comparison is against whatever club in the weaker-lofted set goes the same distance. And chances are that club will be at least 0.5" longer shaft and spin similarly.
@MSDOGS19765 ай бұрын
Nice commercial.
@BblDjkn4 ай бұрын
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@MrKillahippo5 ай бұрын
I'm getting similar distances with my Z785's, soft feel workable, 105g S, so no need to spend $$$$'s
@MT-fd6pu5 ай бұрын
The average golfer cannot afford pxg. I’ve tried some of their drivers and was highly disappointed! Stay with a bigger name brand you can buy anywhere and catch a sale!
@jimwocha49495 ай бұрын
Nice looking clubs to be fair, ruined by a chuffing great logo plastered all over rhem.