Finally Stop Slicing Your Driver! Mevo+ Pro Package: Club Path and Horizontal Swing Plane

[@gregmaland5318]

What you said about turning the shoulders was a revelation for me. For a while now, I've been aware that for some reason, I need to start my arms moving before anything else happens in the downswing in order to hit solid shots, but I didn't understand why. But now, it makes perfect sense, and I feel pretty stupid for not realizing it earlier. I think for some reason, I have a tendency to "spin" my shoulders really fast, which makes it nearly impossible for me to get an in-to-out path.

[@scotthogangolf]

It's really important to learn the roles of the body parts and not just do things because the pros do themt this way you can be ready to hit the shot you want when you are on the course!

[@lobbyrobby]

I did a swing evaluation the other day. I have a big out to in swing path. I do the same thing with my shoulders. My shoulders start moving with a big turn before anything else happens. In my lesson he gave me a few things to try. You wouldn't believe my before and after results already. If you can I highly recommend a swing evaluation.

[@stevegeorge7388]

Great video Scott. This was the first thing I worked on after adding the Pro package, getting my shoulders sending the club path where I wanted it. So awesome to see that feedback right away on every shot. I’m really happy with everything but low point. I’m not sure that I’m upset about it, but apparently I must be ready to challenge the Tour in that category. I’m consistently 3-7” ahead of the ball with wedges and short irons, even with playing with angle of attack, ball to Mevo+ distance, etc. Hoping to get outside today and hit some drivers, I hit up 5-6 degrees normally so hoping to see what that looks like on low point.

[@VoodooZ]

Yeah. I'm averaging 4" and my AOA is matching PGA average with a 7iron... so I guess I'm not hanging back as much as I thought I did! We're going to need a whole lot of those videos to decipher all those mysteries.. :D I'm especially interested in the various inter-relationships between the metrics.. Might have brush off on that D plane again..

[@stevegeorge7388]

I did go to the range today and hit outdoors for the first time this year. I would say low point looked pretty good on real grass with irons. Driver angle of attack and low point also looked good.

[@mntlblok]

Went googling for this very issue - how to get myself swinging more in-to-out when I've moved the ball up in my stance for longer irons and woods. Ended up quickly right back here, where I'd been before, soon after acquiring the Mevo+ PP. Now realize that I didn't really "get" the Swing H° stuff, even though I remember seeing a couple of other "hoola-hoop" demos of *where* on the hoop the "Swing H" lies. At least I didn't "get" why it might "matter". I guess I (wrongly) locked it into my mind that the Swing H "spot" on said hoop naturally and "always" lies *after* where the "path number" is recorded/measured (unless you hit it fat or drop-kicked it). When Scott showed his numbers with the Swing H number being more "R" than what the "path" number was (also R), I *knew* something was wrong. Took me a while to figure out that it was my *understanding* was what was wrong. The definitions of the two points cover it, but I hadn't properly considered all the possible relationships. Bottom line, the way I came to look at it is that those two spots "trade places" on the hoola hoop when the contact point comes *after* the low point. Maybe that will help somebody else with understanding what changes - and why - when contact is made "after" the low point in the swing has been reached. *All* my "H's" had been "L's" since acquiring the Mevo, regardless of whether the path had been R or L, so I found no reason to keep checking it. Didn't help that there's not room under the ceiling to swing clubs much longer than a 7 iron on the lanai. . . Scott also answered my original question about how to swing in-to-out when the ball is more up in my stance. I've been using a "Ferris wheel" analogy for my shoulders' swing thought - as if my shoulders are practically acting in a perfectly vertical plane (only "feels" that way). I just point my Ferris wheel a bit to the right. I *do* find that I have to then make a greater effort to keep the back of my neck more "parallel to the ground" (or the bill of my cap pointing more down) in order to successfully make that Ferris wheel act right. 🙂

[@scotthogangolf]

Yep glad you found it helpful, also did a video recently about the driver specifically to stop slices, going more in-depth with this issue.

[@mntlblok]

@@scotthogangolf Have already made great use of same. 🙂

[@douglasedward4041]

Hey Scott, what is an ideal low point and AOA to hit a straight driver?

[@scotthogangolf]

Typically want the low point back and AoA up on the ball (positive on Mevo+) for the best combo of distance and accuracy.

[@TomThePizzaGuy]

Dude that's for the info. What a freat explanation on path against and h plane. Thanks so much

[@scotthogangolf]

Glad it was helpful!

[@craigbailey77]

With the Mevo Plus. Is there way to prolong the radar from falling asleep in between shots? I find that in between shots it falls asleep so quickly. Thanks. Love the info you teach on!

[@scotthogangolf]

Yes in the settings you can adjust the sleep function, mine is off completely but you can make it a time you want.

[@jcjoo]

Scott, Do you have a suggestion or preference to iPad versus Droid devices for MEVO Plus?

[@scotthogangolf]

ipad

[@mntlblok]

The wifey and I ended up with our first Androids after a recent move and needed switch of carriers - and free, new phones. 🙂 After getting our Mevo+, we now own our first iPad. The Androids and Mevo+ do not play nice - *and* the freebie E6 stuff that comes with the Mevo - IIRC - doesn't do Android, at all.

[@VoodooZ]

very nice explanation.. Do you use FTT vs FTP metrics? I started noticing mine are both way too closed... my swing path is much more neutral that I ever thought but my damn face is always way too closed at impact... And that's with various grip changes... Is it possible my grip is moving in backswing?!? It might explain why I get so many holes in the palm pad area.. It's driving me insane.. Whatever grip I take (and I'm considering the effect of balance between each hands), I can feel turning more closed when I relax my grip a bit at address...

[@scotthogangolf]

Could be grip, I am going to do the club face next on Monday, but also could be your takeaway and how you are moving the golf club throughout the swing.

[@thescarn882]

I would look at your lead hand at impact. If the back of your hand isn’t point at target then I would start there. With even a weak grip if you rotate those hand enough it could make the face closed.

[@VoodooZ]

@@thescarn882 I used to have a weakish lead hand which caused the trail hand to take over but I've since strengthened my lead hand (2.5 knuckles) and I still can't get the darn grip to cooperate.

[@VoodooZ]

On top of that I think something is wrong with my radar or setup because even straight shots (start line anyways in impact screen) it reports excessive paths to the left and FTP that are way closed.. arghhhh Hard to trust the damn numbers..

[@VoodooZ]

@@scotthogangolf I just sent FS a tech support request because my Roll has a ~1 deg offset even on a level surface as measured by a digital level.. turns out it's right biased too so it might explain the radar's right bias... fingers crossed they can calibrate it remotely (forums says so)

[@paybax]

So was it the more down you hit (aoa) the more left your club path will be? Or the opposite? Sorry. And do you have a general rule of thumb when club path is too much? Example 5 degrees and less is manageable but more than that may exaggerate misses too much? Thanks

[@E46Nova]

The steeper the AOA, the more the path will be in to out. (to the right) The more you hit up on the ball ie. Driver, the more out to in your path will be.

[@seanbecker8328]

@@E46Nova no that’s not a given at all, you can still have a positive angle of attack and a in to out swing path, pWhat he’s saying is the difference between club path and horizontal swing plane, horizontal swing path is measured at the low point so basically measured at a 0.0 AoA. The club path will be more the the right COMPARED to the horizontal swing plane the more down you hit, you can hit down and have a negative(left) swing path and you can have a positive Aoa and still swing in to out.

[@gregmaland5318]

I felt this was the most confusing information in this video. I have heard many people talk about how a steep AOA is associated with an OUT-To-IN path. And also many people talk about shallowing out the club in order to be more IN-To-OUT. So, I think many of us are unsure what Scott is really saying here.

[@douglasedward4041]

What is an ideal low point and AOA to hit a straight driver.

[@alijones1751]

Nice video!

[@VoodooZ]

Scott: May I suggest a new playlist for all those Metrics. I was going to ask for a Dynamic Loft (to figure out if I'm flipping or not) one but I think you covered it in a different video recently so it would be easier in a playlist.. You're the best!

[@scotthogangolf]

Great idea! I'll work on that!

[@sordomudo11]

Still experiencing ~30 yards low readings (indoors) on driver after Fusion Tracking update. Any suggestions?

[@toddpope5797]

If you can get your ball flight at least 9.5 feet. That might help, I was at 8. Feet and seeing short results. Made some changes, now how 9.5 feet of ball flight 7 feet 9 inches behind ball and things are coming out right. Hope this helps. I have about 160mph balll speed and getting about 250~260 carry.

[@sordomudo11]

@@toddpope5797 I have about 11.5 ft of flight and 7.5-8 feet behind the ball. Is it possible that RF interference would only impact driver readings? I'm a bit lost. Irons are spot-on.

[@toddpope5797]

@@sordomudo11 I know flight scope can run an environment scan from your unit. You might want to check that out with tech support! I was offered that at first, but my distance change helped me. I also have seen people high ball speeds get bad results on short indoor mode. Sorry that’s all I have!

[@sordomudo11]

@@toddpope5797 Will do. Just basic contact customer support?

[@toddpope5797]

@@sordomudo11 yes and they should be able to get you set up with tech support person who can do that. I don’t know what all it entails, since I never went that far but good luck!

[@DRancid]

Wish Flightscope makes windows version of FS Golf app.

[@VoodooZ]

Yeah. I successfully got FS Golf to emulate under windows but it's far from ideal. anything camera related crashes the app and the layout is wasteful on screen estate even with resolution boosted up... That app is holding them back.

[@DRancid]

@@VoodooZ yeah same here. Emulator sucks.

[@VoodooZ]

I was looking at their Tech support pages and noticed they used to have a PC software available but it's a 10 days trial and needs to be purchased. The last update is in 2020 and I think mostly for Pros and not for Mevo product line.. I remember them saying they were eventually going to merge FSGolf and FS Skills apps. Would help too so maybe they'll do all this with a PC release eventually..

[@scotthogangolf]

I heard rumblings once it might happen, but I feel the general thought in the industry is going towards mobile so for now it feels the focus is on that.

[@VoodooZ]

@@scotthogangolf Yeah plus it only makes sense to keep the Pro features for their high-end devices.. The fact we got fusion tracking and Pro Package is enough to piss off the X series customer who have been waiting for features for a while from what I read.

[@charlieandrews7915]

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