The only thing more difficult than succeeding in music is finding band members
@FarmerSlideJoeBob3 ай бұрын
Yup. It's hard to find the person you can connect, where there is no ego or narcisstics behaviors and it's just about the music. I was happy to had some short-time bands and it was perfect but a bit too short to me, when I was studying.
@FrankTrouble3 ай бұрын
Then you find the perfect ones, and five years later they have an adorable family and are a little too busy, or they just frigging disappear.
@FarmerSlideJoeBob3 ай бұрын
@@FrankTrouble or this, yup.
@BeckMurphyo_o3 ай бұрын
WE NEED TINDER FOR BAND MEMBERS!!!!
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Facts! There was one called Vampr but I don’t know if it ever really took off
@shaolinshoppe3 ай бұрын
fund it!
@jmart67503 ай бұрын
It’s called Bandcamp
@Arkansya3 ай бұрын
lots of startups tried and failed, musicians dont have enough valable data ;)
@joshviggiani98443 ай бұрын
Yeah there's that stuff. We're all just too disillusioned to believe anything will come of it.
@aldagosto14133 ай бұрын
Do it as a hobby and have fun! That's what im doing
@XsTwentyOne3 ай бұрын
The algorithm is so intrusive that it recommanded me a video for what I've been struggling with lately with doing any resarch. Thank you for making this video
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Bruh the algorithm is getting too smart 😅 glad it recommended it though, thanks for watching :)
@joepeall3 ай бұрын
I'm finding your stuff so inspiring right now. I'm 27, didn't go to uni, and this feels very relatable. I've done a lot of collaborating, but a lot hasn't felt natural like you say, and definitely not met my tribe. Top tier advice you're giving
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Awesome bro. I’m glad you resonate with it. Good luck finding your homies!
@FrankTrouble3 ай бұрын
Travel. Even if it's just camping out at your regional Gorge State/National Park a couple nights.
@FrankTrouble3 ай бұрын
Also - like he said open mic nights - go where there is a nearby college/university with a great music program. Yale New Haven CT has my fave open mic ever - and I love going out on weekday nights, weekend is too much. It's at a place called "Stella's". After a Grateful Dead song Stella Blue, but all kinds of music. Grateful Dead fans love music in general, anything authentic. The band's individual and cummulative musical influences/experience/life was quite a variety.
@callmeal30173 ай бұрын
Great message. I've been a musician for over 50 years. In high school it was other kids who also wanted to play. Then in my 20s I got involved with an amazing tribe of musicians as you say. They would create outdoor concerts and all sorts of other collaborations. I owe my musical development to this group of people. Now nearly 50 years later I am in a new rural environment and seeking my local tribe. You have reminded me how vital this is! Thanks
@FrankTrouble3 ай бұрын
"Rock on" - The Immortal T. Rex
@deannedennis3 ай бұрын
Currently looking for my tribe!
@AUGUSTIN-MUSIC3 ай бұрын
I’m here
@tobyroseman76893 ай бұрын
Still remember sitting together in MUSI191 here we are 4 years later who would have thought
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Facts bro, me you n Damilky
@HammyP-273 ай бұрын
Low key mis damilky
@MangaMarjan3 ай бұрын
The communal aspect of music making is soo important. It might be the most important actually. Sadly, there's not a lot of communities near where I live but maybe my band will be pioneering in that regard.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Agreed. I think all it takes is just one or two bands to start something. The first scene I was in was this underage scene for 15/16/17 yo’s at scout halls around town. One young band threw the first gig, just them, and the next gig had 4 high school bands and already a big audience. It grew so rapidly because there was a big need for it, these pre-18’s wanting to get drunk and see live music, obviously can’t go into a bar, so we’d pilfer our dad’s liquor cabinet and go to these scout hall gigs. It all started because one band of 15 yo’s wanted to play live outside those lame high school band comps. Was epic.
@WolfgangXP65-673 ай бұрын
I feel the same way. Thankfully though, there IS a community some miles west of my town that has a very vibrant scene, but me having to live so far from there makes me estranged from really going into the scene every day.
@Broskibro773 ай бұрын
After already playing music throughout childhood/teens and learning basic theory, i decided in my 20s i wanted to get serious but going back to school didnt seem feasible. So for 5 years i took lessons from a guy in my town who was a berklee graduate. He walked me through the whole Berklee jazz keyboard method curriculum and I basically got a berklee school of music education for 30 bucks a lesson. And what I was paying him for wasn't so much just the knowledge but also the accountability of making sure I practice cuz it'd be embarrassing to come to the next lesson having obviously not practiced lol. Anyway, hope that helps someone.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Good account. This is the education landscape nowadays that is replacing tradition education. It’s what I offer too, my 10+ years of keyboard study/practice, which I learned the hard way and also going through a University course, boiled down into a coaching service that will help students achieve the same results in at least half the time. This is the ‘digital education renaissance’, something like that. You can develop the skills, then it would just be a matter of finding your homies.
@boardsofwood3 ай бұрын
You could call it Quest
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
I named my 3rd solo piano album Quest 🧐
@boardsofwood3 ай бұрын
@@joshbottz An Album Called Quest. I'll listen to it.
@ElvaCabriales3 ай бұрын
A tribe called quest
@metheiam57143 ай бұрын
Who would have thought that the same secret ingredient to improve in music would be the same that's used in soylent green. It's people
@KevinTPLim3 ай бұрын
Very timely seeing this today… I’ve always been much more of a solo musician (in everything I do actually, even outside music) but I’m finally starting to see some collaborations with potential. I’m glad you’ve found your people!
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Nice! Good luck with your collabs , enjoy it !
@ResistReactАй бұрын
Bro really just said the real degree was the friends we made along the way
@joshbottzАй бұрын
Haha literally
@ParkerRoberson-jf8ew3 ай бұрын
I needed to see this video. For almost 10 years ive been trying to do this by myself, but i know i crave that social interaction between other artists.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Good luck man I wish you the best
@cloud9savagehenry3 ай бұрын
This is me.
@WolfgangXP65-673 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree about the open mic nights! I started going to the open mic on a town 10 miles west + 10 miles north from home in February and my friend and I are planning on playing our first gig as a band called "the Unlikelys" there, and I want to connect with another band who are from some miles north of that town and it is just amazing!
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
That’s awesome, nice band name :) good luck for that gig hope it goes well!
@WolfgangXP65-673 ай бұрын
@@joshbottz thanks so much, I will tell you about it once it is done (If I remember lmao 😂)
@Keltone1233 ай бұрын
Music school is hype! -Belmont kid
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
It’s true !
@Varra13 ай бұрын
In my experience, university is a pretty bad place to meet collaborators, everyone is too busy to do extra work (*) and most drop out. If you're lucky, you may make friends, but they're unlikely to match your musical interests, plus they're just as busy as you, and the few that graduate might not stay there, as they're likely to return to the places they came from *and those that find the time and energy to work beyond uni, usually spend it on trying to create something of their own, not on other students projects
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Interesting, it looks like we had quite opposite uni experiences. You’ve got some valid points though. Could swing both ways.
@daishoryujin953 ай бұрын
I'm going to transfer to a new school soon after doing a 2 year Music Technology program at community college. I'll be studying Popular Music and Technology. I hope to find my people there.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Sounds like a good course, best of luck!
@alfiemckeough37623 ай бұрын
I never found my tribe, hence why I had to give up. I’m doing okay now, moved on to being a writer now, but it did hurt to not find any like minded musicians. Even at a music college, I struggled to find people who I really vibed with or who vibed with me. My music taste was always pretty weird so that never helped.
@RainerRilke33 ай бұрын
Same here. Had a lot of high school bands but then I found myself as the only one in the scene who wanted to pursue music more seriously as a lifepath, so when I tried to start my own project I couldn't find the musicians. College folk were too busy with classes and playing in their college concerts, while all my friends from the gigging scene didn't vibe at all with my music (I like post tonal music, atonalism serialism spectralism etc. but I hate academia so I wanted to bridge the gap towards the public at large). After years I just gave up and now I'm also a writer. It's easier to connect with people online and there are way less material barriers than music in order to fully express your vision (gear is expensive, bandmates hard to come by and music without the experience of live performance feels almost pointless to me)
@alfiemckeough37623 ай бұрын
@@RainerRilke3 yeah I get what you’re saying. I understand completely. The only difference with me is that I never liked live music, and still don’t (sensory issues/social anxiety and I just prefer studio recordings) But yeah my tastes in prog metal, alt rock and ambient/experimental never really got me anywhere. Even amongst people who seemingly had the same music taste just didn’t want to collab or didn’t commit. I’m still trying to find my tribe, not necessarily in music, but I just really struggle to find like minded people. I just feel so… different
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Interesting! I'm also a writer, and one of the reasons I love writing is because for me it's a very solitary thing. It's fun to build something with my friends, but with writing, I love that it's all me, and the actual process is so much more peaceful and smooth, writing in the morning without any other inputs. Thanks for your input, it looks like there's way more to this discussion then I realised. I think I got quite lucky with my class at music school generally speaking, to find people who are into the same thing stylistically. All the best finding your people, they are out there!
@RainerRilke33 ай бұрын
@@alfiemckeough3762 I get you completely. There may be few of us, but you're not alone my friend. We are thrill seekers, always on the look for new sources of inspiration and beauty, too uncompromising for comfort and too conscientious for debauchery. I don't know about you, but I often find 'normal' people too dispassionate and 'abnormal' people too unhinged and unserious. For how much current discourse seems to center around 'diversity', seems to me like it's all just a countless myriad of roads towards the same handful of goals, everybody chasing money and clout in their own little unique ways. But what's the point in having a trillion precious and unique beings if they all converge in the end, lining up behind the same age old fantasies of power, comfort and/or blind hedonism? I kinda miss the times when you could spot a fellow weirdo from a mile away (I live in a 3rd world country so I got to live my teenage years in severe cultural lag, which vanished overnight when the internet came along), when being unique was a statement instead of the norm. Now counterculture is dead and we turn to the internet like some kind of panacea for the problems our disintegrated society generates. Maybe one day we'll find our tribe, maybe they don't exist yet, who knows, but if not then we will make it so.
@alfiemckeough37623 ай бұрын
@@joshbottz thanks man. Sorry for being so negative in my original comment, I just get in a negative mindset sometimes, especially when remembering my time at university. But thankfully I’m enjoying my writing a fair bit, hoping to have the first draft of my novel done by around September.
@FrankTrouble3 ай бұрын
24 is the best age to go to college - you can apply as an independent student/taxpayer, and therefore aren't required to declare your parent's annual income in loan, grant, and scholarship applications. Your parents' information is no longer considered relavent in financial aid decisions.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Yep exactly. I was pretty much getting paid a student allowance of $400 a week to study music, it was awesome. But then once the degree finished reality slapped me pretty hard in the face! lol
@williamrusso31303 ай бұрын
That was always the goal, but it's easier said than done. If you live in a less-populated area, you're doomed.
@bluebooper3 ай бұрын
This was a good video. How does this have so few views? The KZbin algo is way too brutal these days; back in my day you could sneeze on camera for 2k views
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Aye cheers man. I’m used to it at this point, very hard to get a video into the algorithm these days, meanwhile my 10 year old self was kicking was 100k views on average for his shitty-spelling lyric videos 🥲
@mattisj.4193 ай бұрын
Going to Music school is very much a dream of mine. Currently 20 y/o and i don't think i could pass the entrance exam at this point in time... I kind of gave up on that dream, but maybe I'll try it in a few years, like you did. For now I'll have to look for a different way of finding my tribe. Any ideas? Oh nevermind, i also didn't finish the video first haha, yeah I've been going to open mic / open stage sessions a bit lately, I'll stick to it! Fantastic video man, can't thank you enough for this
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Thanks I’m glad you got some value! Music school is pretty great, there’s no hurry, I don’t think I wouldn’t have qualified at 20 either. When I started at age 24, I thought I was pretty decent, but it was a very humbling experience when my playing was weaker than the other students just coming out of high school. It made me want to work harder though. Best of luck finding your homies!
@someoneontheweb43033 ай бұрын
Awesome video dude
@TheMidnightBandit3 ай бұрын
I make beats, and have been doing that since 2012. I'm really stoked to contribute to my music scene here on Vancouver Island. I'm a bit intimidated to join or book a show by myself, but I do this alone. I am part of a huge music community on KZbin, and I'm going to be doing live streams soon. I've released over 500 projects onto streaming platforms since 2020, and I'm just barely getting started. Thanks for the video. I'm going to start making videos too.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Sheeesh, that’s awesome. You’ve been really grinding, 500 releases is heaps! I love the way you see it, that you’re only just starting, playing the long game. That’s the spirit, seeing the music journey over a 10, 20, 50 year time scale. I feel like I’m still in the pre-season too. Also, I’d be interested to hear about your process with producing a large volume of work/staying consistent.
@toreeesp30523 ай бұрын
I really hope I find my “music tribe” I’m going to graduate soon and I’ve applied for music education afterwards. I love socializing and doing stuff with other creative people.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
You’ll have no trouble at all, congrats on graduating aye and all the best!
@Jravolta3 ай бұрын
Thanks dude, I needed this
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
No problem, glad you found it
@vitornb41973 ай бұрын
man... i needed this so much. Thank you
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
My pleasure, I'm glad you got some value :)
@jamessatioglu13143 ай бұрын
I’m about to tonight, I met a friend through FedEx, and he invited me to come see him play, and for a sound check rn 🤩🖤🤩
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Aye, awesome 😎goodluck
@WolfgangXP65-673 ай бұрын
Oh my God :D! How was it?
@viniygw3 ай бұрын
I'm an ambient music artist and, because it's a very specific niche, I've always found it difficult to make friends with people like me. If anyone loves or identifies with this genre of music, let's talk (:
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Hmm that’s a good point. There are some styles of music which are naturally more solitary I might imagine, like ambient. There will be people out there though!
@unduloid3 ай бұрын
That sounds fine 'n dandy, but I can't find anybody who can stand me for more than 5 minutes. So, back to making music in my corner it is....
@erikiemusic62643 ай бұрын
I'd rather refer to my circle as high society rather than 'a tribe' 🙄
@sumedhhhh3 ай бұрын
Whats wrong with tribe
@erikiemusic62643 ай бұрын
what?
@sumedhhhh3 ай бұрын
@@erikiemusic6264 there's nothing wrong with referring to your circle as a tribe
@erikiemusic62643 ай бұрын
@@sumedhhhh yeah i agree
@sumedhhhh3 ай бұрын
@@erikiemusic6264 yeah cool 😎👍
@zachawav3 ай бұрын
I'm 25 and I'm currently saving up to go to school for music
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Good luck, stow away that debt, that's what's killing me at the moment (28k more to pay off 🥲)
@Thecleetus3 ай бұрын
How do i find them without having to go to uni 😢?? (I haven’t finished the video yet) Ahh i see, ima have to hit up some local band shows
@Arkansya3 ай бұрын
go to local shows, smallest bands possible, or better, get involved with local scene organizing to put UP shows and ppl will come to you
@semajcarlson40383 ай бұрын
I’m currently three years in uni but only 2 years doing business. But the only reason I’m taking business is for the marketing/money making skills so I have my own business. But at the same time my true calling is music. I think it’s always been, I jus listened to other people that said it’s not a valid skill or career path. Should I go and do a music major since to meet more people?
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
That's awesome, similar to me. I'd say keep doing both, because even as a musician, you will need business skills to prop up your music/music career. That's pretty much what I've been doing, studying entrepreneurship and building my online business, and this is ultimately what will allow me to keep going with music. You have a good chance at meeting people through a music major, and if that furthers your passion then go for it!
@saFubar3 ай бұрын
So you're saying the real music degree is the friends you made along the way?
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Pretty much 😂
@ElegyWAV3 ай бұрын
I like hard rap (city morgue, Scarlxrd, Seshspawn) and emo rock (Saosin, The Requiem, Alesana). Lmk if you guys share interest and do music
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@schil_d3 ай бұрын
Where y'all at
@khersy3 ай бұрын
We’re all part of the same toe
@khersy3 ай бұрын
Tribe on earth
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Facts bro
@rickc21023 ай бұрын
corenections
@GizzyDillespee3 ай бұрын
Does a posse count?
@Varra13 ай бұрын
1:26 this did not happened to me, pls guys don't go to uni expecting this
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Dang, that’s a shame. I could have added some more context. I got quite lucky with my class, and it was from the performance papers. I guess it really comes down to the course itself. If they have more collaborative projects, like forming ensembles, or for production courses, linking up with other musos to record and mix them, then it’s more possible. If the course less practical and more lecture style, I’d say it will be harder. But then again there are probably university groups that you could join.
@all.the.same.iProductions3 ай бұрын
Same. But I might have to repeat the first year so I can meet new musicians.
@cggcgg77813 ай бұрын
Im 17, finished high school, moved into a new city so im screwed if I want to find anyone to play music with unfortunately - Can't meet people at school since im not going to one - All people seeking bandmates/music buddies online are grown people who'd rather play with someone their age - Dont know anyone who knows anyone who'd be interested - All music/record stores are filled with older people - The scene for the kind of music i want to make is essentially nonexistent its a pain unfortunately
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Hmm that’s tricky, but a city has a lot of people in it. Believe that you have some bros in that city that would be on your vibe. The problem then is just finding them. Just do your thing solo and maybe you’ll cross paths. Also there might be a youth scene. When I was 17, I was part of this underage gig scene, these bands of 16/17 y/os playing at scout halls. so many young characters around town chilling at these gigs. All the best!
@romaindumont61893 ай бұрын
You could go to a music store and ask whether they know people who play your music and would be interested in playing together. You can also go to (if your city has one) a music school where people can follow lessons. Ask them whether they know if anyone would be interested or if you can leave an advertisement with your name age number and what music you play.
@Arkansya3 ай бұрын
if your area has AT least 20k ppl there is at least one Guy out there. plus you will never fond bandmates to do only what you envision by yourself prior to meeting them, thats precisely the point : collaborating means that everyone brings sth to the table and what you Cook together most of times miles ahead of what you envision solo initially. you dont need someone that shares exactly your vision but someone with enough of the same references and with whom you go along and have FUN playing music, After that stuff will happen, guaranteed
@cggcgg77813 ай бұрын
@@Arkansya 100% dude, I know I said that no one is looking to make the type of stuff I want to make but I’m completely open to a large variety of genres Alt rock, prog, Boom Bap hip hop, modern hip-hop stuff, DnB, Shoegaze, Dreampop, Ambient, Indie Rock, Math Rock, Emo, Post-hardcore, space rock, IDM, Funk, Noise, Neo Psychedelia etc. you name it I’d be more willing to make stuff with someone who isn’t fully on par with my interests, since it would introduce me to unique ideas unfamiliar to me I just hope that one guy is out there somewhere
@cggcgg77813 ай бұрын
@@joshbottz I’ve been looking around for a scene of the sort but it feels like most of the music scene around here is dominated by people much older than me, I hope there’s still a handful of people out there tho
@DE-GEN-ART3 ай бұрын
i agree, "two heads are better than one" hell, three, four, five heads are better than one when it comes to music. if any of you are busking, the more of you playing instruments the more money you potentially could make. the sound of your music will be fuller and richer, and you can play longer and any mistakes you may make while playing wont be as noticeable. every time me and my band busked with a guitarist, keyboardist, and harmonica player, we made way more money with the three of us than i ever did busking alone, just dont do what we did and spend all of our money on drugs and video slot machines in the convenient store 😂
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Yep, that sure is the case, though more split. Was just on a tour and saw this jazz group in Wellington burning the house down, a better show on the street than in a venue!
@Blank5873 ай бұрын
Bro just made this whole video to brag about his band and how lively the music scene in his town is.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
You got me. Caught me red handed!
@alexgardner59973 ай бұрын
How do I find my tribe tho
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
I mention some ideas at the end. Open mic nights, jam sessions, busking, going to gigs, these are what I talk about. Some more ideas I had today are that you could post something on a music community page on facebook, or make a little poster that you could put up in music stores ‘hey guys, I play xyz, looking to start playing xyz kind of music, keen to jam!’ That might work.
@sinenkaari54773 ай бұрын
Where i live open mics and jams are run by the same group of people that play with them selfs mostly, if i go there i would need to wait 2 to 3 hours to play for them something alone and the thing is that i'm a drummer and not really a guitarist or keyboard player. I can sing and play drums well. Those who ran the jam nights are there to drink 5 big mugs of beer to a half an hour before they go up to stage to perform a bad cover version of Killing in the name of or something else that's been played to death while the drummer plays really sloppybassdrum couse they're drunk. I don't like the stuff they're playing, i don't drink so it's acward to try to socialize with drunk people while you're sober, they would need accept me and i would need to humiliate myself to be accepted. And they are no audience i would like to go and play a drumsolo. This is why i'm not into the jam thing, it's badly played cover songs. When i was younger i used to think the jams ment that you were jamming but it's not that. Few times i tried to ask people what songs you like to play if there would be some that are familiar to me, the drunken response was "just everything" like what i'm supposed to answer to that lol. I've had two bands where i connected with the players on that deep level and i truly know what is like but it's really hard to find and sustain. My experience of music school was pretty similar, there were these jams in the middle of the school week and everybody, even few teachers were there getting absolute blasted drunk! And i was asked to play Rolling Stones I can't get no satisfaction. That boring basic drum pattern through out with no fills oh no i turned it down and got myself a beer lol that was in 2017 and i was 17. I'm from Finland if somebody is wondering. I'm gotten fustrated by the people in music here, it's all heavy metal that i don't like. It's been really hard to find players to connect on that deep level or even players at all. I like Rock, Rock 'n Roll, Jazz, Funk, Blues, 60's Pop, Reggae, basicly all the more rootsy stuff and i make my own songs too. Ps if this sounded like mean rant it kinda is couse i'm a Scorpio :D but yeah i love music but have not found my tribe yet
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
That's really relatable actually, because I don't drink either, and I felt this a little bit in previous music scenes I was apart of. Where I live has a massive drinking culture, especially a student drinking culture, so it was a bit like that. But your comment also makes me think there's way more to the story than I've talked about in the video, like for example in Finland it must be very stylistically leaning towards heavy metal aye? In New Zealand, there seem to be 2 major styles as well, which NZ Reggae and a kind of surf/garage rock. I was fortunate to meet other soul/jazz types in my town and vibe out.
@peterbaillif46073 ай бұрын
I just moved to a new city and it’s been really hard to find other people to jam and collaborate with like that. As someone who’s done with college it’s getting harder and harder to make friends even, let alone musicians to make albums with.
@joshbottz3 ай бұрын
Hmm this seems to be a trend I’ve noticed from other comments, I can’t really speak exactly to that experience. We need more jam nights, open house sessions and collaborative apps for this kind of thing. Another commenter suggested that you could make a little flyer and put it up on music store board, or make a post on a music community page. Good luck!
@NOISECOREMafiaTV3 ай бұрын
When you found your tribe only after getting priced out of your city 😭😭😭