DIY mechanic shows tips on picking a good used engine at a junkyard for an extreme low-budget engine swap. The salvaged engine shown is a '91 Toyota 4AFE but this applies to any used engine at a salvage yard.
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@MrFreeze798 жыл бұрын
i'm surprised you dont have more subscribers. so so many great channels on parts changing - but very very few on diagnostics and actually learning how to THINK to solve problems. thanks !
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
+bunkerbuster Thanks my friend. I actually don't want more subscribers- I want more like YOU!
@MrZayne810 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I am heading to my favorite yard in the morning to test an engine as best as I can. Will be trying to manually crank it with a compression tester hooked up to each cylinder, as you showed here. I will also be inspecting the oil. Wish me luck!
@z31rider246 жыл бұрын
Great video. I blew my head gasket on my 2000 Nissan Altima. Getting a used engine installed along with new water pump, thermostat, radiator and all new hoses. Will be back on the road in about 1 week. Thanks for sharring your professional experience.
@mirondraghici53565 жыл бұрын
a little late :) watching this video as i only recent found your channel but i am impressed by every one of them. is like taking a car mechanic course. so much to learn. i have always checked oil on used cars only for blown head gasket foam not metal debris. lesson learned. thank you
@rickeymitchell86209 жыл бұрын
Great vid with very useful info. you presented this matter of factly with no bs, i like that. some folks would be lost trying to find a good engine and this takes some of the fear out of the process. Thank you Sir.
@ddawgnd899 жыл бұрын
Great videos! Vacuum gauges are extremely helpful to those inspecting a running engine as well. Multiple parameters can be observed giving another point of measure to indicate its condition if you know what to look for, or at the very least (since I work on carbed engines) seeing if the carb needs adjustment. Of course, this should be a supplementary inspection, not the ONLY inspection one should do. Subscribed
@sailorbob741338 жыл бұрын
When asking about this subject, someone I know suggested taking a large canister of compressed air to use as an air source for doing a leak down test in a junkyard. Haven't done it myself, but it seemed like a good idea. Like the oil reading and hand cranked compression test ideas.
@irpacynot10 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, man. Subbed.
@SchrodingersBox11 жыл бұрын
Quite true- this was done more as a donation than anything else. I also gave him a break for using the car/engine in my videos. The engine cost $100 and since I'm not doing the usual teardown which involves a gasket set at bare minimum. Normally if I have an engine ready-to-swap that's delivered for me, I'll do it for $500. To pull an engine myself and check it like this would be another $250 so this guys is getting a huge break indeed!! But I'll still come away with a little for my efforts.
@averyalexander23034 жыл бұрын
This is great information! Another tip is I like to look in the trunk for possible hints. For example, if I find empty bottles from head gasket stop leak as I sometimes do, that definitely isn't a good sign. That won't work if the salvage yard cleans everything out of the car before putting it out on the yard, but the ones around here don't and I suspect that many don't. Also, the yards I go to don't give a crap if you bring a jump pack in to crank the engine over, so that makes doing compression tests very easy. But make sure the yard you go to is okay with that first so you don't get yelled at or thrown out.
@SchrodingersBox4 жыл бұрын
excellent advice. That’s amazing the yard let’s you crank the engines. I have never seen one that allows that.
@ninorohena60104 жыл бұрын
Sir this video is the best I seen so far just perfect 🙌
@axwapples6 жыл бұрын
this is so awesome. thank you so much for this. exactly the info i was looking for!!
@John-rz6sp10 жыл бұрын
A cordless battery operated impact would be a good way to test for compression I would think. Also great for junk yard removal of parts.
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
So funny you mention that John- I just recently ordered a cordless impact (Dewalt 18V 1/2") and a Dewalt cutting tool for doing my salvage yard work. I plan on doing a tool review when I get them! A cordless impact won't turn over an engine though. First it wouldn't have near the power but second, even if it did, the more power it had the less it would be likely to turn the engine over and more likely to just shear the balancer bolt. Impacts are designed to remove the fastener without moving the parts they go through. In fact, you can use an impact to remove the pulley bolt on an alternator without even spinning the pulley- so it definitely won't turn over an engine even if there wasn't compression. I have long been trying to think of a way to crank an engine at the yard to do compression tests but even at best, successfully turning an engine over would surely get you kicked out. My best idea so far would be an 18V air compressor so I could do a leakdown test at the yard (which is better than compression test anyway). That is something I think could be done- it really would just need to deliver minimum 60 or 70 PSI. But I never really seriously looked into it.
@ragnarw.eliansson529910 жыл бұрын
Schrodingers Box Is the reason for the leakdown test is better than compression test, only that it also indicates whether the crank seals are blown or not?
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what a blown crank seal is as far as a compression/leakdown test is, so I sure as hell hope I never run into that but nonetheless a leakdown test is better because it gives you more information. your possibilities for lost compression are rings, head gasket, valves, and any cracks in the cylinder or head. The compression test tells you that you have low compression, but thats all. The leakdown tells you WHERE the problem is- you can tell which valve is leaking, if the rings are leaking, or if there is a head gasket failure or crack (it cant differentiate between these). You will know if compression is going into the cooling system- huge help for "mysterious coolant loss" diagnosis. Thats why leakdown is better.
@SuperHtownswag4 жыл бұрын
@@SchrodingersBox crankshaft seal behind harmonic balancer bolt?
@averyalexander23038 жыл бұрын
I also smell the oil when I take a sample. If it smells burned, the engine could have been overheated. If it smells like fuel, it may have had a problem with fuel dilution and so on. You could also use a borescope camera to look down the spark plug holes for cylinder scoring and other problems.
@MaxPowerEveryHour9 жыл бұрын
My left ear enjoyed this.
@schrodingersboxquantummeka20089 жыл бұрын
+Max Power Hahaha yeah my first videos are pretty bad quality- I had a low res camera with mono audio. I really never expected I'd have the channel take off so I never invested in production quality back then., I've since switched to a HD setup.
@movingupautodiagnostics86458 жыл бұрын
+Schrodinger's Box Quantum Mekanix for ppl having this problem, try unplugging just a little the headphones from whatever device you're using, it will make it seat in a different way that you'll be able to hear it on both ears. Try it.
@craigclark23796 жыл бұрын
@@movingupautodiagnostics8645 it works!
@lesliepryor51412 жыл бұрын
Great video 👏🏾more please.
@SchrodingersBox2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Will do!
@rusco32111 жыл бұрын
First and foremost make sure you can rotate the engine by hand.
@averyalexander23037 жыл бұрын
Another thing I would do is I would bring a portable jump starter and compression tester with me to the junkyard to do a compression test. You can connect the jump pack to the starter directly and do a compression test before you even pull the engine. That would be much more accurate (and easier) than a hand crank compression test.
@SchrodingersBox7 жыл бұрын
This occurred to me as well but the only issue with that idea is any junkyard will never allow starting a car- you would be kicked out if they caught you.
@averyalexander23037 жыл бұрын
Very true, but it's not like you have to start it to do a compression test lol. If you're worried about getting kicked out, you could ask for permission before you do it. I don't see why they'd have a problem with it.
@SchrodingersBox7 жыл бұрын
It’s a environmental thing from what i’m told. Since the cars are in various states of disassembly, cranking the engine potentially spills fuel, oil, coolant, etc all over the place. Also a safety issue i suppose. seems silly since pulling and engine spills this stuff anyway.
@averyalexander23037 жыл бұрын
I see. Thanks for explaining.
@tonymcrae65107 жыл бұрын
it's not aleays about being able to afford something. some people just find it ridiculous to pay so much for one.
@lesliepryor51412 жыл бұрын
Need a 98 4runner 3.4L sr5 engine I’m in Orlando Florida and thinking of going with JDM Orlando used engine 65k miles, any suggestions,Matt?
@stevenbauer77447 жыл бұрын
I picked up a used engine (30 year old 4Cyl BMW M10), and I get conflicting info. Compression is 120, 90, 80, 70 (vs 135-145 spec) front to back. The engine is mounted on an engine stand, flywheel attached to the crank and a starter mounted to spin the engine. When I spin the engine with the starter, I get 50+ psi oil pressure using a HF Oil Pressure gauge. This seems like a gross indication that the bearings are fairly tight. Attaching a leak down tester and pressurizing the cylinders show a lot of leakage (50%+) on each cylinder, but that could be user error. I check to make sure there's no pressure from the cam on the rockers for the cylinder being tested when I pressurize it. I get some leakage sounds from the crankcase, but mostly out the exhaust ports (I'm pretty sure the engine isn't spinning from the pressure). 1st point of confusion. When I rotate the engine (it's a slanted engine) so that the exhaust ports are not facing down and spray some brake cleaner in the exhaust ports (the ones that are closed at the time), the fluid doesn't drain past the valve, contradicting what I see with the leak down. Exhaust valve leakage would explain the low compression numbers. I tried to return the engine to the yard, and they guy there said that compression/leakdown tests on an engine that's been sitting and hasn't run for a while is meaningless. The compression will come back once the engine has been running for a couple of hours. They wouldn't take the engine back until I can demonstrate a problem with the engine running. 2nd point of confusion and this set off my B/S detector, but at the same time, they had my money and were refusing to refund it, so I brought the engine back home. With all that pre-amble, how does this idea that the compression test is meaningless until the engine has been running again sound? Do you think it would make sense to pull the head and check leakage from the chamber side? I was planning to replace as many of the gaskets as possible anyway, and pulling the head at that point wouldn't seem like that much additional time since the engine is out of a vehicle.
@mosesdog211 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@sv4807110 жыл бұрын
I'm going to a salvage yard this week and I want to get a LS engine from a Tahoe or Silverado. What do I look for when I go around the yard looking for one I'm trying to avoid getting one and then I put it on my ride then it's broken.
@spelunkerd11 жыл бұрын
Boy, $400 is not much to work with when replacing an engine. Peripherals alone could eat that up.
@pamparker40473 жыл бұрын
Amazing channel
@SchrodingersBox3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@greencrown32529 жыл бұрын
how do we know what size the engine is so that if you were to lets say swap an e34 540i engine with lets say an s62 off a e39 m5 or an LS1?
@FMFInnovations4 жыл бұрын
Dude, best video I have watched on this topic! That said, it looks like he is wearing a wig....
@SchrodingersBox4 жыл бұрын
Hey thats my real hair!
@FMFInnovations4 жыл бұрын
@@SchrodingersBox Fucc!
@derrickcelestine32484 жыл бұрын
Hell ya thanks my buddy
@jonthanruzfranco27895 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude i needed this
@LowMedow10 жыл бұрын
Anyone know how all the valves could be stuck closed?
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
All valves stuck closed- unlikely. Your only two possibilities for all valves stuck closed are all rocker arms were loosened or perhaps all are obstructed with carbon or something. But even with a broken timing chain or belt, at least one valve is gonna be at least partially open. More likely a condition that might cause one to think the valves are all stuck closed would be a broken timing chain or belt. If you can crank the engine over but the rocker arms/valves don't move then that's definitely the issue.
@kellyokamoto16045 жыл бұрын
In that particular engine, what would you say is the lb/ft of torque you are applying to rotate the engine with your ratchet? I ask because I'm wondering if I'd be able to do the compression test using a 3/8" cordless ratchet that puts out (at peak charge) 60 lb/ft of max torque. Thanks.
@SchrodingersBox5 жыл бұрын
You would need something that has no impact- only rotational force. Even then I can’t imagine that would work. An air or electrical ratchet even in the torque range would have way too much variability when it hits the resistance. I’d almost say it would be more accuracy to compare peak amperage output on the ratchet than compression from the cylinder.
@juancarlos3232323210 жыл бұрын
Can you attach a starter to the engine and manually trigger the starter with a spare battery you might have laying around?
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
Yes I think I mention this in the video. You are not allowed to do this at the actual salvage yard but whenever possible I will indeed bolt up a starter and do a compression test. The limitation is that some starters bolt into the Transmission, not the engine block.
@christorok190610 жыл бұрын
What did you use to crank the motor? Do you turn the flywheel somehow? If you could show that part of it that would really help.
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
Just turn the crankshaft bolt
@christorok190610 жыл бұрын
On the crankshaft pulley side I guess. Okay! Awesome! I'm doing a 2ZZ-GE swap into my MR2 Spyder!
@g0fvt8 жыл бұрын
Some bizarre comments from Bob Jasper, some KZbin videos do lack a bit in sound level or clarity but this is not one of them.....
@averyalexander23038 жыл бұрын
Could you maybe somehow use a drill with a socket on it to spin the engine for a compression test or would a cordless drill not have enough torque? At least that way you would have a more consistent reading than spinning the engine over manually.
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't nearly have enough torque. Only something the size of a starter motor would work.
@averyalexander23038 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Again, I love your videos. Keep up the great work.
@hondaguy425able3 жыл бұрын
@@SchrodingersBox ia half inch impact will turn that engine along better than your hands.
@BoostedPastime9 жыл бұрын
I'm looking at an SOHC engine that has multiple scratches on the cam lobes in a rotating motion that they progress. What does this indicate?
@SchrodingersBox9 жыл бұрын
Boosted Fool It probably indicates having been run with dirt in the oil but these are seldom a concern. It is hard to NOT find an OHC engine without pits, scratches or even chips out of the lobes and while to a novice they can be very concerning, I assure you I don't believe I have ever seen an engine that does not have at least some of these conditions. If all the lobes have severe wear and the oil shows metal particles, that's a different story.
@averyalexander23038 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, What do you think of getting a used and tested JDM engine from a reputable seller with 45-55K miles for the same or better price than a USDM engine? Any advantages or disadvantages in getting a JDM engine besides lower price and lower miles?
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Done it many times and in fact it's my preference because it virtually guarantees the engine is good and I don't waste time on installing a bad engine. When I lived in St Louis I used a full service yard called Al's Auto Salvage and they were reliable 100% of the time when I needed an engine.
@averyalexander23038 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought. Thanks Matt.
@FroztiProductions7 жыл бұрын
what's the likely hood of finding one of the better engines? im sure I could find plenty d series honda engines, but I want a b, h, or k series. something dual cam, preferrable with vtec. Just need the essentials so I can upgrade everything else.
@SchrodingersBox7 жыл бұрын
Odd on any honda engtine are pretty good. See them all the time. You'll never find a high performance engine like an LSx or hemi or anything but you'll easily find any 4-banger without any problem. In fact many yards have them available already pulled from the vehicle for a couple hundred more.
@averyalexander23037 жыл бұрын
I think he meant what his odds of finding a high performance engine, like a K20Z1, K24A2, B18C5, or H22A4 would be. If that's the case, it depends on the junkyard. If that's what he meant, it probably wouldn't be easy to find such an expensive engine at a self service junkyard, but you may find one if you look long enough.
@2deranged2care11 жыл бұрын
wtf? every time I try to watch something on youtube the screen says error, try again later.
@SchrodingersBox11 жыл бұрын
@deranged- Love the screen name- though apparently it doesn't seem to apply in this instance I guess. I find this same issue often happens to me when I watch KZbin on my iPad and I am in "desktop mode" when I am signed in with my youtube account. switching to "mobile" mode always fixes the problem. Otherwise not sure what to say.
@vinceb51810 жыл бұрын
Can an impact gun be used to crank the engine for the out of car compression test.
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
No, but I get asked this a lot. An impact gun is designed NOT to spin the part from which the bolt is being removed- it's the whole point of the design. You can actually remove the nut from an alternator pulley with an impact gun without even spinning the alternator. To turn the crank over you would need to activate the starter, which would promptly get you kicked out of the junkyard lol.
@vinceb51810 жыл бұрын
Good point...lol Love the videos. Keep them up, and screw the Haines Manual Jockeys...!
@scottmackenzie67969 жыл бұрын
Vince Boice No.....Never use an impact. Hand crank with long handle ratchet/bar only.
@slimpickens216410 жыл бұрын
What would you expect to pay for that engine at a yard?
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
At a pull it yourself yard, $200 in most states is about average. In a full service yard (they pull it for you and most test them to make sure that they are good) it varies a lot. $450 to $800 generally for a commonly found engine. If its a not so easy to find engine then easily $1500 at a full service yard, but still $200 at a self serve, but you have to be lucky to find one!
@bryandavis3419 жыл бұрын
I like your videos but why are you so down on Haynes repair manuals? Before the internet they were a great source of knowledge to a novice or a pro. They by no means make you an expert but they gave me my start and I now work at a garage as a tech and really enjoy my job, but I remember the day I relied on a Haynes manual.
@SchrodingersBox9 жыл бұрын
+Bryan Davis I am not down on Haynes repair manuals- I down on "armchair mechanics' who's only experience is they have never done any of the stuff in the manual but they go on chatrooms and forums like they are experts because they looked at the pictures in the Haynes manual and think they are experienced. I love Haynes manuals! I just hate 98% of the people who buy them.
@bryandavis3419 жыл бұрын
Yeah that is annoying. I have had cars where I was stumped looking for some direction and some guys on those forums are just guessing. I want to know why, not just the solution. Love your videos they are a great resource for me just like those Haynes manuals were!
@danpinnell75025 жыл бұрын
Workers drain oil before they are put in the yard
@SchrodingersBox5 жыл бұрын
True but there always some residual in the pan. I hate the yards where they drain the fluids by punching holes in the pans!!
@randy1ization3 жыл бұрын
look for empty bottles of transmission fluid in trunk..
@monp.49037 жыл бұрын
I need a new engine for my 1994 Civic SI hatchback, any legit places you can recommend? I found 3 on ebay, but any other websites? carmonkeys and some other sites got seriously scary reviews. I'd appreciate any tips! Thanks!!
@SchrodingersBox7 жыл бұрын
I have had really good experience with a company called Jasper Engines.
@ireallyambiggiesmallsinatr86617 жыл бұрын
If you want to pay 3k for an engine yeah.. just get. 50k mile B20 from Japan, put on a rear main, a timing belt and a water pump and call it done.
@spacetrucker29527 жыл бұрын
Sweet......I'm number 420!!!
@tomashton72089 жыл бұрын
if it wont run at the junk yard dont buy it.
@SchrodingersBox9 жыл бұрын
tom ashton How would you possibly know it runs in a Self Service yard????
@elainerussell924 Жыл бұрын
9 years later still yakking
@SchrodingersBox Жыл бұрын
And here you are still watching hahahahahahahaha. You are just one of my 1/4 million subs now instead of one of 10 subs 9 years ago. And you aren’t even making a penny for it.
@elainerussell924 Жыл бұрын
@@SchrodingersBox I always need a goooooood laugh😃
@SchrodingersBox Жыл бұрын
I laugh all the way to the bank. I guess you didn’t notice my garage upgrade since this video that you helped pay for. Thanks by the way.
@elainerussell924 Жыл бұрын
@@SchrodingersBox no I did not did you pass that eye test ?😲
@SchrodingersBox Жыл бұрын
Yeah you might want to check it out because you will realize how foolish you are making yourself look. You already watch my videos so I know you have seen it. Thanks again for your free internship
@nicolassr95112 жыл бұрын
I need a used engine
@ShmeejandShmaylah10 жыл бұрын
Is that your real hair or a helmet?
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
Ha, it's my real hair. I think i'm doing pretty good for being 44! But I am considering hair transplant for my pubic area.
@bobjasper54478 жыл бұрын
No SOUND. Not in a used engine, but in this video. Something's wrong. My computer is working fine. Fix it! I want to see this vid.
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Ummm. did you notice ALL the other comments on this video? Do you think there might be a possibility this is an issue on your end? Troubleshoot much?
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Bob Jasper If you havenmt noticed, I try my best to deter stupid people from this channel. Look at ALL the comments on the entire channel. Now look at yours. You are in the wrong place. Bye.
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Bob Jasper Also be advised you will return here ONLY as long as I permit. I cannot however fix YOUR audio issue. That's your domain. Take control of it instead of trying to do it here and you will solve the issue and learn even more from me.
@bobjasper54478 жыл бұрын
If your abilities to fix a car are equal to your ability to create a quality video that others can HEAR, we should all be shopping for bicycles. You keep tempting me to return here. I would have been gone a long time ago, but now I have to just keep coming back. Whether you "permit" it or not. Got ego much? Talk to you again...soon.
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Bob Jasper Don't know what to tell you. You are the one who can't hear the video. I am the one with 60K subs and 10million views and paying my mortage, car, and others off KZbin. You do the math on who has the problem.
@MrMikegrouse9 жыл бұрын
I like you videos mate, but less talking and more doing please.
@SchrodingersBox9 жыл бұрын
+Michael Amyotte My videos are not designed for beginners who need to see how to turn a wrench. It is designed for advanced users who want to understand underlying theory. If you want to see wrenches turn I suggest the ETCG channel.
@justinkemeter8 жыл бұрын
I wish you showed how toy hand cranked it...
@justinkemeter8 жыл бұрын
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@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you mean- I just turned the engine over using a large ratchet quickly to develop compression
@justinkemeter8 жыл бұрын
Did you use the ratchet on the flywheel nut? Thanks for the video btw
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
justin Thomas - No of course not!
@justinkemeter8 жыл бұрын
So my question is what did you attach the ratchet to?
@smithraymond0902910 жыл бұрын
I like these videos. Also, the host reminds me of a 70's porn star.
@SchrodingersBox10 жыл бұрын
As in Marilynn Chambers?
@smithraymond0902910 жыл бұрын
Harry Reems :-)
@just1lifexx118 жыл бұрын
the black one is soo dark, that is wont move around!!!.. its still good?? ok ¥*k
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
No idea what you're talking about but that sounds racist.
@bobjasper54478 жыл бұрын
Don't criticize this loser's video. It's his livelihood and he gets REALLY pissed if you don't praise it. He's afraid. He knows this will dry up and he'll have to sell his tool to qualify for welfare.
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Bob Jasper Apparently Bob has not seen my channel intro. So now he looks like an idiot in front of tens of thousanmds of people. Do your research Bob. Do your research.
@averyalexander23037 жыл бұрын
What black one?
@mrmusclecarsuspect53628 жыл бұрын
A Aq
@johnstrohsnitter303710 жыл бұрын
The a4fe just like any Toyota engine is a pos just like Mitsubishi Engine and mopar You see so many k cars and eagles In the junkyards give me a reliable ford any day of the week Except the 3.8liter v6 used in the Taurus wind star
@Pete_R638 жыл бұрын
The 4afe on my 91 Corolla, same engine he is working on here, ran flawlessly for 462K miles before I had it rebuilt. Still driving with 595K on it. It has been incredibly reliable for me. When you see these cars in my local Pull A Part, they all have WELL over 200k or 300k on them. I think a lot goes into how well you take care of them.
@SchrodingersBox8 жыл бұрын
Exactly. When you see people say things like "Toyotas are a POS" or "Fords are the best" what they are actually saying is they have no experience in anything but their own cars and what little they know came entirely from listening to their dad. They seldom do anything more than change their own oil yet they give advice unsolicited on the internet.
@Pete_R638 жыл бұрын
Up until my Toyota mentioned below, which is the only car I have owned since new, my experience is with cars 'handed down' to me from my parents or ones we had when I was growing up and that would be Ford- Maverick and Tempo (and I drove an Escort for a pizza place) Chevy - Malibu and Nova, and Buick Skylark, Fiat X1/9, and my '91Toyota Corolla and '98 Camry. That I can remember, those are all of the makes and models that I have a great deal of experience driving with the exception of the Malibu. I've just put a couple thousand miles on my X1/9s but the Nova, Skylark, and Tempo were driven by me between 50k to 70K each so I think that is a solid amount of time in the saddle for some reflection on those cars. The Camry I have put 102K on it. The Toyotas so far, have been by far the most reliable. In my experience, the Fords have been the worst, particularly the Tempo. The Maverick was prone to a lot of issues, too. An 'old timer' once told me that if you keep oil in an engine and keep it from getting too hot, it will treat you right. I guess the bottom line is that we may all have very different experiences.