Finding a Solution to Winnebago's Bad Roof Design part 2

[@tuomasholo]

I’ve forwarded your video to Winnebago and informed them foam isn’t a structural member of a roof. Here to help the algorithm.

[@3sons66]

HAHAHAA!!! 😂

[@atouchofa.d.d.5852]

Expert reference is no joke here. Guy knows his stuff.

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@3sons66]

GENIUS! That was a great decision on adding the aluminum truss supports. I would much rather pay a little more to overbuild than to build back to factory specs which we all know is junk.

[@WanderToGetLost]

should be standard build. i get the weight and cost, but structure is important!

[@AZExpert]

Correct! The weight is nominal

[@repairrestorerebuild9864]

The aluminum arch idea is great! Tons of strength.

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@3sons66]

Yes, "arch"...not "truss". I should know better. 😶

[@cliffmauck510]

love it, "either it works or it does't" Another fun and informative video.

[@aaronearl4425]

I'm always impressed at the professionalism and explanations in your videos. You've done so many of these your inbox must be flooded with Winnebago hate mail haha. Sad to see a company that was great in the 80s get to this level of quality control....

[@AZExpert]

It really is a shame

[@Vaderbill]

Another Awesome Video! Love to see people doing things right! Much respect to you and your fellow craftsmen!!

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@hddm3]

Just an amazing person an technician man! God bless you and your family

[@AZExpert]

Thank you!

[@tednorin832]

I had a 2014 Suncruiser, sure glad I got rid of it before the roof collapsed!

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@solvend]

This should be a gigantic embarrassment for Winnebago but you don't hear a peep out of them. All about the Benjamins

[@MrTheBigNoze]

I would not buy an rv with a literal styrofoam roof … I wonder how many people know what it is before they buy one

[@sissinoklahoma2057]

If they admit there is a problem, imagine the liability they would open themselves up to. Even units that have no existing problems would want a repair. They would absolutely go out of business if they opened themselves open to this. Right now a civil lawsuit (not class action) would be Winnebago's best-case scenario and nightmare scenario would be a class-action lawsuit. There might be some mention of expected settlements if you review their 10-k filed with the SEC?

[@AZExpert]

Most of them do

[@shnobi24]

Makes me want to buy one of those things

[@AZExpert]

LOL

[@BobLobLawsLawBlog]

I've been watching all the videos trying to find a solution for my roof and would you look at that! Closest one yet! Thank you!

[@AZExpert]

Glad I could help!

[@badgerpa9]

Hope that tube works out for you guys. That winnesago saggy pants roof needs some help. Be safe.

[@jeffsteele1295]

great video I enjoyed it so much. Thanks for all the time you put into your videos

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@dennymoore4325]

Great video James.

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@GodsGreenPlanet]

I got an old 90s Brave. I plan to laminate with epoxy and fiberglass instead of filon. I plan to tie the roof into the walls seamlessly. I did fiberglass repair in a past life. It will give great structural integrity. I may epoxy the wood to the foam instead of glue. But truly the glue may be safer to allow delamination incase the wood ever takes on water. So you can peel off the layers above the foam.

[@KevinCoop1]

James, You need to go see Bad Chad bend steel square tube. Basically, he lifts it up from one end and slams the end on the concrete a few times. It should work on aluminum as well. Surprisingly it makes a very smooth arc and he just cuts off the bent end. He would have been done before you got your first roll through that machine. Best wishes, Kevin

[@AZExpert]

We needed a specific curve

[@philw7174]

You're the man James. Thank you for your videos. Happy trails!

[@AZExpert]

Thanks Phil!

[@chuckpotter1209]

Great video and details of HOW this problem even occurred in the first place. Just curious what a ballpark figure this may cost. Thanks again for a super video!!

[@scottjohnson4910]

In the previous video he mentioned Winnebago would charge 40k!

[@AZExpert]

see comment,, I do address it

[@johnb7576]

Thanks for keeping me entertained :)

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@TheGregWallace]

Suggestion...... Install a couple of STRIPPER POLES in there to support the roof and a couple of Disco Balls and a Fog machine and call it a day!

[@AZExpert]

LOL

[@RussellBond13]

Instead of landscape Timbers, Screw two 2x4s together and make a T shape, strong as you need a easier to work with and useful when you are done.

[@AZExpert]

They were more $$

[@timf6916]

Good job

[@AZExpert]

Thanks for watching!! :)

[@JeffinTD]

Have you ever repaired one of the pickup campers built like an upside down boat hull? Molded fiberglass/foam type, say that sags around the AC?

[@AZExpert]

I haven't dealt with those in decades

[@JeffinTD]

@@AZExpert Seemed like a great idea, and a buddy had one. Pricy but high quality. Then one day he noted an upper cabinet door hit the ceiling….

[@Tony_in_AZ]

Yea, need supports in the roof somehow.. I googled the spray glue you use: Sta-bond. $300.00 a gallon seems high ?

[@AZExpert]

That does seem high

[@pault1964]

That is a fine tool store,would spend a fortune

[@AZExpert]

me too

[@MililaniJag]

So what years did Winnebago use this wonderful roofing system? Great work! Thx!

[@AZExpert]

1996 to 2023 so far

[@MililaniJag]

@@AZExpert How about Winnebago BPs? Thx!!

[@ralphlindberg1299]

Wow, an English Wheel in use!

[@AZExpert]

FANCY!

[@edweigman9683]

Good thing they didn't let that go without bringing it to you.

[@anthonyb2334]

I like the aluminum tube support. Looking forward to the next installment. I’m still unclear. Is the roof dropping because of glue failure? Looks like something else is going on. Not enough initial support? As someone engineering trained, I would think there would be more rib roof support. Thanks for the video

[@AZExpert]

Glue failure, well and because of the fact the design is bad

[@davidmcgee2126]

Wow. I’ve seen a few roofs like that and there was water damage and assumed that’s what caused it. But seeing what you took off it’s apparent that’s not water damage We have never fixed one like that. The ones like that were total losses. The water had ruined most roof features and got into the walls and floors I see more good than bad Winnebago roofs though. So many factors for adhesive failure. 1 guy having a bad day could mess up some runs, bad batch of glue. Not excusing Winnebago. Just have to wonder how many roofs like that have been written off as water damage to bad sealant when the roof failed so the sealant failed.

[@AZExpert]

Who knows?

[@carmencolon3520]

First I heard music at Home Depot and you guys didn't busted a move? Live a little 🤣. What are the best years to consider Winnebago rvs to avoid poor quality?

[@Michael.of.Barrett]

Which motorhome manufacturers do you think make the best roofs/ceilings for the time frame of 2000-2009?

[@stevehvac1]

The American manufacturer craftsman ship is a new level cheap cheap cheap

[@AZExpert]

It's not the best

[@Reaglesracing44_]

actually james thor does paint there rubber roofs at the radius. it’s on the redwoods, magnitudes and i think challengers

[@kenj.8897]

Thor , not there is quality. NOT

[@kenj.8897]

Hey you 3 got to vote on who the boss is going to be !! Lol

[@AZExpert]

It's Chad

[@alansterling3481]

if the adhesive isn't holding onto the luan on the top of the roof, how do you know if it is holding on to the luan on the under side of the roof?

[@AZExpert]

Because you can see it

[@dodgeguyz]

I would be worried that the new truss will make the new roof separate from the styrofoam. All the bouncing when driving, the arch will hold up the new wood and roof, but the inside will want to fall. It may work, but there is a big IF!

[@AZExpert]

It will work, we have done this many times

[@xsentrik1107]

Hey brother I just wanted to share with you that I'm getting ready to buy a 2001 Beaver Patriot thunder 425 any advice on what to look for it has that hurricane system in it is that a plus or a minus anyway I watch a lot of your videos and as an ex mechanic (auto mechanic / specialist) I love your technicality and approach to how you inspect things so I would love any feedback that you could give me before I pull the trigger also I found an inspector in New Mexico Albuquerque area that is going to check it out I figured you would be too high dollar LOL anyway I know you're busy if you have any time to give me feedback it would greatly appreciate it if not don't worry I'll still be a subscriber keep smashing that like button!

[@AZExpert]

SInce I have one, I have many videos on your exact model!

[@goththicus]

So looking at the Winnebago brochure for my model they have a drawing of the roof and it has that thin radius metal depicted. Why Winnebago? Absolutely no support whatsoever. Very disappointed.

[@jimmymcclosky3786]

This is the main reason why I will not purchase a Winnebago. I have a neighbor who has had problems with his roof ever since he purchased his used class A.

[@AZExpert]

That's awful :(

[@Lolaproduction101]

I've watched one or two[ssss] of your videos and I need to ask!!! Are all Winnebago pretty much the same?

[@AZExpert]

I hope it works out for you

[@TimothyMichaels]

Have non roof question. My coach batteries are completely dead, I'm plugged into 50 amp shore power, where do I start troubleshooting?

[@stevehvac1]

Check to see if your couch batteries are actually charged off shore power possible just your couch batteries only plug a charger into rv and hook to couch

[@stevehvac1]

Check to see if your couch batteries are actually charged off shore power possible just your couch batteries only plug a charger into rv and hook to couch

[@TimothyMichaels]

@@stevehvac1 Coach or house batteries were first to drain, then engine batteries. Looked online, said possibly the converter is issue?

[@philbellavia1054]

It’s like one of those plastic lifetime sheds that sits out in the sun all day😂

[@AZExpert]

Maybe worse lol

[@Chris_Appleton]

Never expected to see corner cutting of no (non-existent) A/C duct-work via implementation of A/C cavity inside of foam. Who thought of A/C cavity to save money and shaft the customer? How would of anyone in 2014 known of this? Terrible thing to do.

[@Chris_Appleton]

Peeps that did this are now retired multi-millionaires, with a Prevost Coach for part-time use enjoying life.

[@NackDSP]

it's crazy ducting the A/C through the sun heated roof. It's a total waste of the cold air.

[@AZExpert]

Nothing surprises me

[@kenphillips6234]

why doesn't Winnebago address these issues? I realized corporations do not have a conscience, but the people who work there? I guess I am to naive at 61 yrs to believe in pride of workmanship.

[@brucevenable8744]

What is the estimated cost range for these roof rebuilds?

[@AZExpert]

Sorry I don't list my prices on here

[@charlesc5983]

It’s really uneasy knowing how un structurally sound these things are. I recently saw a video were a class a flipped . Now I know why they folks died , there was nothing left but the floor and chassis. They should at least have a roll cage for the front.

[@AZExpert]

They are not made for crash safety for sure

[@davemoulding8799]

Two cheap at factory to add Alumimum roof bows

[@AZExpert]

I don't know the reasoning behind it

[@dougbriggs4176]

Should have picked the Milwaukee Pack Out kits while at HD…every techs OCD fix.

[@AZExpert]

LOL

[@lavernedofelmier6496]

Not knowing the circumstances, my opinion would have been to send it to a salvage yard. That’s a tremendous amount of time and money not knowing what condition the rest of the coach is in , possibly junk as well.

[@AZExpert]

replacing the roof is definitely cheaper than replacing the whole unit

[@captsam54]

I will just take Winnebago off my list of possible RV's...

[@AZExpert]

Might be a good idea

[@sfcjones2590]

1st like

[@jeffreymcmanaway5865]

Do you know if the 2014 Class C 31H have this same issue? Thank you

[@DavidHBurkart]

How difficult or expensive can it possibly be to add aluminum framing for strength and drainage?? C'mon Weanie-bago!!! You gotta be better than this!!

[@AZExpert]

I don't know why they don't

[@chrisbengford812]

The good people of Forest City Iowa have got to know they are producing a poor product.

[@AZExpert]

I don't blame the workers

[@OneEyedJacker]

The biggest issue is the construction is garbage.

[@AZExpert]

It doesnt help

[@markb9241]

Wow this is pathetic on Winnebago! This is a big safety issue if you get into any kind of crash! The roof is what hold the box on wheels together!! Light weight my ass! If you were to tip over or even worse roll over there will be no structure to protect you. Your dead!

[@AZExpert]

They do not really have a safety rating. Sheer size is the only saving grace