Finland Solved Homelessness: Here's How | Hasanabi Reacts to Invisible People

[@InvisiblePeople]

Thanks so much for the love! (((HUGS)))

[@henriraja8982]

As an ex homeless finnish person I can say Finland is a great example of housing first policies working. I for sure would be dead or in jail without them. We still have lots of problems with neoliberals trying to gut the social democratic welfare state. Anyway I'm so blessed to be born here

[@henriraja8982]

Btw Hasan is a criminal for the finnish accent... WE arent swedish for fucks sake lol

[@zdiggitydawg]

Stop flexing on us Americans

[@norwoodsstokes3883]

Make sure y'all vote those neolibs...out of power

[@TurtleChad1]

Finland is homogeneous

[@gsp4prez]

@@TurtleChad1white nationalist says what? What if we actually lived up to our standards for everyone in the us. Everyone might buy in then. No?

[@obsolete959]

A couple of fox news talking points that I caught from the chat that irk me to no end: 1) The average tax rate of Finland is not 45% or 60%. The average *total* net tax rate in 2022 was 31.1%. The average income tax rate was around 20% (17-23%, depending on the municipality). 2) Yeah, the population of Finland is small, but it is fully comparable to that of an average US state. On that note, the average US state is far wealthier than all of Finland is. 3) The homogeneity argument. Hasan already said the main point that it's just a thinly-veiled attempt to hide racism, but as an additional note, the US politics is fully homogenous; the vast majority of decision makers are old white men. The politics and politicians in Finland are actually more diverse than they are in the US. 4) Despite whatever Fox News likes to claim, Finland is a capitalistic country first and foremost. It's not socialist or communist.

[@Jenkkimie]

Here in Finland the Coalition party that is currently the prime minister party of Finland tries to pull off that 1st point by purposefully obfuscating tax rates with marginal tax rates. So tax rate being 31.1% on average but marginal tax is roughly 45-50%. Since marginal tax only applies marginally, its not a very effective tactic and argument. And you are entirely correct on the last point, we are a social democracy, not democratic socialism. Social democracy takes elements from socialism but it is ultimately a capitalistic society.

[@talyahr3302]

Thank you for addressing all of these talking points so well.

[@esaedvik]

@@Jenkkimie Doesn't matter what the "rate" is, but what you get for it. That's where Americans are getting shafted. They pay a ton of taxes and get nothing for them. No education, no healthcare first and foremost. Lack of education hits the poor and minorities the worst, same for lack of healthcare. People work sick, live sick, die sick. Just waiting for miracles to happen all their life. Not to mention just having a GoFundMe button ready to go whenever they face adversities. Which is just socialism - using other people's money to fix their issues. It's mind-boggling and kind of perverse that GoFundMe is embraced, but taxes are frowned upon. Plus all this makes Americans hate taxes, which is what the leaders actually want. If people got more for their taxes, they'd embrace it.

[@niki75]

I am fairly sure by homogeneity they mention the population at large, which is like almost entirely caucasian/white. The diversity of our parliament comes from the multi party system over the democrat v.s republican two party system the US has. Single party rule here is virtually impossible to acheive so compromises are a must. Frankly it shouldnt matter if it's an old white man or someone with immigrant backgroud in parliament their job is to look after the finnish people first and foremost.

[@johannesisaksson7842]

@@Jenkkimie It does not take elements from socialism. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, not socialized healthcare, housing, etc.

[@JackDespero]

As explained, the problem with housing in many places around the world is that we allowed an essential need (shelter) to become a massive drive of wealth accumulation. This is just the obvious consequence of that.

[@JackDespero]

In my experience, back in my country, only people who speculate care about the house price once they buy a house, because people do tend to live for the entire lives in the same house. We had other problems, namely people from wealthier nations retiring in our country buying houses with their accumulated wealth, also housing removed from the market of living spaces to tourism, etc. In the US, it is apparently not only common, but almost expected, that you will buy an ever bigger, more expensive house, and that requires your current house to constantly up in price.

[@rhyestripes6059]

commodifying basic human needs, waters next

[@Therian_Puppy]

​@@rhyestripes6059nestle technically did already but yeah free water will cease to exist soon

[@Pensnmusic]

Living is for the wealthy Wealth, when born poor, requires subservience to the wealthy It's a deranged way to keep everyone subservient and servile Coercive. Make us money or you'll die.

[@ithemba]

so it was for everyday racism and segregation in the non-jim-crow-states. segregated and discriminitory housing was a major focus of the civil rights movement. the fear of real estate value not increasing turned suburban middle class people into racists quite fast.

[@iig97]

I live and work next to a "housing first" building. You can see from the people living there that their life has been rough and most behave like they are scared of people who have not had the same experience in life that they have. At work i get to talk to these people sometimes and they are very apologetic about their existence. Having a place where you can shower, eat and rest in safety means that these people can start to gain back the confidence to move in the world without everyone looking at them like they are trash and gross. Homeless, drugged and mentally ill people are humans and deserve compassion and help like everyone else.

[@melindasaddler559]

@iig97 that is why housing first doesn't work. These are human beings, they should be offered a chance to grow like everyone else. Just because they are in that position, doesn't take away their humanity.

[@janko6608]

As Finn I am happy to pay high taxes so that there is not people living in streets.

[@Slashx92]

I'm Glad!. I really cannot understand people crying about high taxes when in the us with low taxes is not like they get all that money for themselves and have all their basic necesities met. I would love for my country to take 30% more of my income if that means I can raise a family without the fear of homelesness at the first incident

[@danielandree3947]

@@Slashx92LA is one of two states who take the most amount of taxes, the other is Hawaii, both states lead the nation in homelessness. It has nothing to do with money, both Hawaii and California make enough in taxes to deal with the homeless problem, the problem is their policies, both states have weather that is conducive to living outdoors 365 days of the year, then on top of that, the democratic policies have made it, that the homeless actually make way more being homeless then they would getting a job, a lot of them have drug and mental health issues, a lot of them don’t even have high school diplomas let alone higher education, even if they wanted to get a job, they can’t get a job that pays enough for it to be worth it for them, they would lose so much money if they were to get jobs that they can actually get, those jobs would pay them to much, so they would lose out on all of their social programs they currently qualify for. There have been people that have done interviews over the years with homeless people, and multiple times, multiple homeless people have explained that (in California), they get 300 a month for food (on top of all of the charities that feed the homeless), they get a free phone, and they get 1500-2k in welfare, they are fine living on the street because the weather is fine, they get enough free money for their drugs every month, they get fed for free, there are plenty of areas they can get free showers, a lot of them, actually enjoy being homeless, yes the streets can be dangerous at times, but outside of that, they get everything they need provided for them, and they’re okay with that, they don’t have to worry about being an adult. The issue has nothing to do with money, there are so many other issues, and most of the political policies, enable them to be and stay homeless.

[@nailinthefashion]

@@danielandree3947I deeply believe there’s actually an excess amount of money in the world but it’s being horded that much lol. There’s no reason I can’t have 5k a month and be happy other than some people want 10x more than that, or even more. Once perceptions and personalities change the policies can. Just throw 40b at this problem a year and we would be doing fine

[@danielandree3947]

@@nailinthefashion there’s 360 million Americans, 40b a year is roughly 10k a year, you’re asking for 200 billion a year to get your 5k a month. Idc if someone wants 10x more, you’re fine asking for 5k a month in free hand outs. The billionaires millionaires small businesses owners, people who work for someone making 50k a month (which is only 600k a year), they provide a product or service that we the population have agreed is worth paying money to…. If a better product or service comes about, they go out of business and the better product or service takes over. They are providing for the country, you’re begging the country to provide for you. On top of that, if we gave everyone 5k a month free, or 10k a month for free, assuming everything doesn’t just skyrocket in price, who in the hell are going to do the necessary jobs… Who’s going to be the garbage man when they wouldn’t need to be. Who is going to be a long haul trucker spending weeks away from their family, when they wouldn’t have to…. Who even gets the money, is it 18 plus, or do parents get the money for their kids (if yes, is it the full 5k a month or is it less, does it become less for each extra kid?) what would stop people from just having 20 kids, and collecting a million a year….. if kids do get the money, how do you protect that child’s money from being robbed by the parents for the parents benefit??… Stop begging, and get to work there bud, you can make 5k a month, even at minimum wage jobs if you truly want 5k a month you can do it. Stop begging others to give it to you, and go get it for yourself

[@nailinthefashion]

@@danielandree3947 you wouldn’t need to give everyone money just people who need it lol. I’d LOVE to have a regular job that I’m physically capable of keeping sustainably but you need to get lucky, to be chosen. It shouldn’t be like this and idk why you expect a random person to be able to type up a formal policy in a KZbin comment section lmao. Thanks for telling me to pull myself up by my bootstraps. I’ve been trying, good luck to you too.

[@tashachantal5711]

Ok hear me out.... nobody gets a second plate until everyone has eaten, but woth housing. I understand the implementation would be beyond complicated, and I personally would have no clue where to start; i just think its a nice idea 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@padung6018]

I'm not from the US, but my father lives in LA. He have a military jacket complete with medals that he found in flea markets. The tons of military medals he found in flea markets is an indication on how awful the US treats their veterans.

[@trevormilliner8121]

Medals are cheap.

[@tygera15]

@@trevormilliner8121the point is that the veterans would rather throw their medals away or sell them than keep them

[@boggisthecat]

@@trevormilliner8121 Which indicates the real level of esteem that military veterans are held in.

[@DavidHar]

Finish people 100% see home ownership as their primary investment. The difference is that they are more ok with tax dollars going to social security nets than people in the US.

[@mandi3891]

I think the main difference is that most people don't expect their properties to grow in value. I own half of the house I live in with my partner and an apartment. I basically store my wealth in them. It grows at the speed which I'm able to pay off my loan with my salary. Ofc the investors see it differently, but regular people aren't expecting to win big with their homes.

[@ShinGarugamesh]

If you remove the socialism brainrot blanket for a second - the core difference is america is a place that culturally moves multiple times more than finland. so while finn do housing as an investment - living in the same spot 80% of your life is dramatically different than the US with constant developing new zones, even if both peoples bought houses for investing. the crux of the issue is that you're a stationary country and want to apply the advantages those countries get to a high movement gigantic one - but never talk about the disadvantages (for example, why not tell americans they'll pay 60% taxes as middle class, and 70% on some electronics and devices - see how even the democrats will not vote for similar types of tax funds to fund homeless shelters, let alone the entire nation) this is just going window shopping and picking the good shit while ignoring the bad shit. it's make-believe to sell the idea.

[@ellav5387]

@@ShinGarugamesh I would say materialism and trust for government are bigger cultural differences between the US and Finland. Most Americans don't trust that they will see a return of their tax dollars, and many people are certainly not financially responsible enough to save up money for rainy days. Breaking Bad would never happen in Finland because Walter White would have already "paid" for his treatment with taxes, making it a better foolproof system. On the other hand Americans have more material wealth than Finns. You have bigger houses, bigger cars etc. The question becomes where you draw the line of how much material wealth is needed to live a happy life.

[@Virjunior01]

​@@ShinGarugamesh bro, Americans are just brainwashed. Guaranteed 80% can't name where their taxes go except the rich, yet they STILL believe in that setup. How much have we invested in a fucking bomber that doesn't work?

[@normaaliihminen722]

@@ShinGarugameshyou don’t get far with mere changes in the codified law. If Americans truly want to adopt Nordic worldview then they must adopt the prerequisites of it which is adoption of Lutheran religion unanimously. Americans has that Protestant work ethic (inherited from UK) but they fails at second part.

[@davidsenderodelsanto]

I was talking with a decayed capitalist who said "The problem with housing the homeless is that it results in a population of housed homeless and you don't know who to exclude. If the homeless are no longer unbathed and unkempt you could end up treating one of them as your social peer when they have been cursed by God."

[@Extinct_ish]

Jesus, what a fragile, disturbed way of thinking.

[@ThickRedPaste]

That would be a great joke if it wasn’t said by an autonomous human

[@chrisbafomb]

That guy took a joke from South Park as the gospel truth

[@Pensnmusic]

Yeah. That sounds about right. "I'm the special one God loves the most and those dirty homeless better remember that, *you* better remember who is God's chosen. Me! It's me because I'm better than you!"

[@saininj]

Yikes, that's some Homelander shit. I hate it here.

[@EliWasTaken]

I will never not be jealous of stuff like this

[@easylemon2547]

That’s a good first step 😉

[@jimmyhart3191]

Same, I’m in awe of the compassion that people have around the world 😢

[@unknownentity8256]

That is quite interesting.

[@ericwoodward1833]

First Alan Wake, now ending homelessness? I’m moving to Finland

[@ifradem]

And then there's also the bombastic Returnal !

[@ellem8990]

They unfortunately just made immigrating here more difficult and are slowly ripping away safety nets and workers rights, hopefully we won't give up on homeless people next

[@AAAAAA-qs1bv]

@@ellem8990 Well, tbf if the "SDP causes huge debt" guys keep racking up much more debt than SDP and also simultaneously gut these programs, we're def gonna get another left parliament for the next two periods.

[@ellem8990]

@@AAAAAA-qs1bv Hopefully that's true and I have thought that, but then I've also noticed the mental gymnastics people do to not see the left as an option or why actually the current government is good, but they just haven't been allowed to do all the good things and that's why there are issues. So I don't have 100% certainty that enough people will actually be able to reconsider their politics, but I hope they will. Of course it can potentially also be hard to reverse some changes, but we'll see how much damage they do.

[@juri_xiii9977]

Max Payne was before Alan Wake.

[@sokavisnu]

someone in chat saying "I can't figure out if finnish people are scandinavian or rus" broke my brain and probably took 10 years off of my lifespan

[@A.S._Trunks]

Hasan fans aren't the brightest bunch.

[@ellem8990]

I haven't gotten to that yet, but at least now I have a warning so I can mentally prepare lol

[@Martyyri]

Typical american chatter not knowing anything about european people making stupid comments like that.

[@HoseTheBeast]

I like the saying ”Finns are a mix of russian and human.”

[@sokavisnu]

@@HoseTheBeast haha as a karelian i can get behind that

[@Therian_Puppy]

one homeless person is one too many

[@Bauhausist]

In US that sounds like a threat

[@Grimmance]

Its easier to provide social programs like mental health care and addictions counselling when you have a homless person in a stable location they dont have to worry about losing constantly.

[@brodieorr5393]

I don't understand why housing first is even a controversial opinion. you have to be truly unempathetic to believe that refusing to house people is the best course of action. We're spending more money letting these people suffer than we would to improve their lives and help reintegrate people.

[@justadxde2225]

The threat of homelessness and the "honor" of not being "one of them" was capitalism's greatest move. Have just enough homeless around for a constant reminder what happens when you don't work hard enough. Keeps people looking down at the "lazy" instead of looking up at the abusers

[@esaedvik]

People don't want social/affordable housing around them. Simple as that. Their property value goes down. Empathy doesn't provide value to them. it's a vicious circle as without housing, people turn to crime which will affect the people refusing affordable housing etc.

[@ella1756]

I love Hasan but that Swedish accent.... is a hate crime if it's supposed to be a Finnish accent... When you go to non-military service in Finland the service place has to pay for your rent, little food money and a sauna if your place has one :D not for a parking lot, or laundry room... but a sauna.

[@JackDespero]

Another interesting fact is that in Europe, new housing is very complicated because there are not that many free slots that are suitable. But in the US it is land and land and land until you get lost. Finland is a bit in between, because it is very large with massive unoccupied spaces, but that is because most people live in the south near Helsinki.

[@ella1756]

Yeah, I feel like the problem with Finland is that we have the space to build but what would a homeless person (or just a normal working person aswell) do with a home in the middle of the forest without social services, school, friends, family, shops, public transport... :,D

[@ellav5387]

@@ella1756 Why would you need to build a house in the middle of the forest though? There's a ton of space to build inside our cities. In the Helsinki urban area I can think of at least 10 new districts being built at the moment.

[@grinch56]

That swedish accent is a hate crime

[@mattrude103]

So sick! My friend went to Finland and said it was a great time :) Now I can't wait to go myself!!

[@thanos2715]

Its quite funny and sad at the same time to see people in disbelief at lawmakers showcasing a drop of empathy

[@Justin-ee1mv]

I remember reading and Hasan reacting to this from second though PagMan

[@dangerousd1312]

stuff like this makes me want to move man (edit) upon second thought, i’d rather advocate for similar things locally

[@tonttu7979]

Please come over our population is aging i dont want half of my wage to go to pensions ;-;

[@dangerousd1312]

@@tonttu7979 i’ll try to visit but idk about moving there lol

[@Martyyri]

Even with these good thing happening, many foreigners have huge culture shock and problems with integrating. Especially people from U.S come literally from different universe compared to finns or even nordic countries in general.

[@talyahr3302]

Move so you can be homeless in a better way over there?

[@RediTtora]

​@@tonttu7979yeah sure you say that now will wait till violent crimes go up 100% And they're all committed by a certain demographic

[@greatwhitesufi]

1:30 Hasan sounding like me talking about Math or physics "The fun is learning the history behind the algorithm guys"

[@sadesemolu]

The main reason why I consistently watch him. He makes learning fun and informative. Brings me back to the good old days of learning from PBS as a kid. Cyberspace got me through math class, no joke.

[@easylemon2547]

Cant build real houses, but still relying on them for value increase is crazy

[@progressivefuture5]

Nicely clipped. Makes it quite easy to translate into something I can effectively use to persuade my neo con uncle of basic humanity

[@diego61422]

"so 5 million now, lets see in the 90's... 5 million ppl oh ok" story of finland rn

[@christhed8679]

Americans refusing to look to other countries to solve their issues always makes me so mad. I recently got into an argument on reddit about having a wealth tax and a bunch of americans were trying to convince me that it's impossible, you can't tax assets

[@normaaliihminen722]

If you meant unrealized capital gains then of course you can’t tax them. It’s stupid to even suggest such thing. Because that wouldn’t incentive saving.

[@christhed8679]

@@normaaliihminen722 What do you mean? Property taxes, estate taxes and wealth taxes are all taxes on unrealized gains. THEY ALL FUCKING EXIST. There's no reason you can't tax unrealised gains

[@normaaliihminen722]

@@christhed8679 thats not unrealized capital.

[@JackDespero]

I get the feeling that Hasan in the future would want, when someone ask about how to solve homelessness, to start to make autistic noises and spam this video link. And honestly, who would blame him? So many people are convinced that it is impossible and Finland is over there like "hey, we exist". I have lived in Helsinki during my phd, and it is true that you do not see homeless people in the street. A lot of drunk people, but those are normal Finnish, from a jobless guy to the CEO of a bank. A true intersocial activity.

[@legitnutella8878]

Too fast, no audio gang 😎

[@HasanReactionsfanTwo]

KZbin will sort their stuff out shortly, don't worry! :)

[@drumusic5665]

Best way to watch

[@josephsteinmann9172]

Housing first in america is code for "let them fend for themselves first" in a merica

[@Songfugel]

Oh wow, really loved this video, it was so well done in every single way and properly covered all the aspects of it unlike the other viral video on the same topic that is wildly superficial, political and inaccurate

[@leighabbr]

A guy I was friends with in high-school was just found dead under a bridge this week from hypothermia.

[@LookAtThisHuman]

Good lord I’m so sorry to hear that. No one to deserves to suffer like that I can’t imagine what a painful death that must have been. I hope you’re dealing with the loss well I can’t imagine losing a former friend like that.

[@leighabbr]

@LookAtThisHuman it's definitely surreal and uncomfortable, shocking, depressing. I wonder if theres anything I could have done. My partner and I spent a good ten minutes just hugging and being thankful for what we have. The condolences post on the local fb group was full of idiots complaining about immigrants. 🫠 RIP I guess.

[@leighabbr]

@@LookAtThisHuman also thank you for the kind words I appreciate you.

[@LookAtThisHuman]

@@leighabbr what horrible people, I can’t imagine going into a post about someone’s death and deterring the conversation from the person who passed. Let alone complaining about immigration of all things. If anything brings you solace it should be the fact that you are sensitive enough to not do that. You seem to be very empathetic and to have genuinely cared for your friend I’m sure he saw that in the time he spent with you. I hope you and your partner stay strong.

[@RediTtora]

Yeah let's ignore the fact that the piece of shit was on drugs

[@eod1675]

It’s a myth that there’s no homelessness here in Finland. The number is small enough that rough sleepers can be accommodated but many many people who need help are deprived. As privatisation takes over, there will be many more. No one chooses to be homeless. That’s just classist slander that refuses to asses systemic issues which are not unique to Finland. Addiction, abuse, mental health etc.

[@donbianconi8446]

How about hedge funds buying single family dwellings driving prices out of reach of working americans. then renting those homes to people who used to buy them, not as investments, but as shelter, at ever increasing rents. kind of like blaming pollution on people not recycling their household waste...which 90% of goes straight to landfills

[@BlueEyedTaty]

Mark H shared your video on his Facebook and other social media. Prepare for an influx of views. 😊

[@esaedvik]

I found it odd that I never saw any homeless people in San Francisco in 2010 when I visited. Drove around for like 2000 miles. I know they exist, but had no idea what was up with the time I visited, traffic was super light too in March. Was kind of absurd how quiet the Bay area was. Always found parking too. And tbh, Finland has the plus side of streets being very safe compared the any large city in the US, but we do have a six month harsh winter.

[@urhonykvist8795]

At one point Helsinki city center apartments were as expensive as in Manhattan

[@blackzeroflame]

One of my veteran buddies got evicted recently and the VA programs were fucked. We kept calling around and what they had was either closed, he was disqualified due to his disability payments, or was super exploitative. They tried to put him at a church that required everyone to spend all day on the street asking for donations to the church. They'd have taken his car keys and he wouldn't have had time to look for a job or a new apartment. A friend in the area eventually stepped up to give him a place, but we were out of options.

[@jaanamerilahti9823]

It also has a lot do with other safety nets and overall wellbeing of the society. In Finland everyone can get free education and eventually a job, everyone can have medical care and rehab etc. So I think while the housing can be enough for some, it is crucial for the society to also provide the opportunities to move forward if one is able to. Not everyone is, and we absolutely have to take care for them also. I, for one, got a free bus ticket (20 years ago) to get to school as a struggeling single mum, and that really changed my life. Been a happy taxpayer ever since 😊

[@Aquelll]

Also the construction companies get tax breaks if they build cheaper public housing among the premium privately owned ones. So that is a way to avoid social segregation, when the poorer people live in the same areas with the richer ones. And if any area gets a "rough reputation" in Finland, people start buying apartments and houses there. BEcause it lowers the property prizes and even the "rough" areas in Finland are extremely safe on a global scale.

[@starsmarien4827]

I went to the grocery store yesterday. Right when i stepped out i got stopped by three different people asking for change on my 1 minute walk to the car. It was shocking

[@bengan2588]

Americans most also understand that Finland and America don't count homeless people the same way. For example in the nordic countries we have lower criterias for what is considered homeless. So the number is way lower then at face value if you compare them to the same standard

[@tainaranta4557]

Public transportation is good in Helsinki, most parking is underground

[@unknownentity8256]

4:45 Hasan kinda seemed to forget that Finland has a population of 5.5 million people and during 90's it was just about 5 million, so 20,000 is a lot. If you convert it into per capita 1 in every 250 Finns were homeless in the 90's. It would be 1 million homeless in America if you take into consideration population difference. Also yes there is even more homeless in America in relation to capita but doesn't mean 1 in 250 isn't a lot though, and Americans are indeed the world champions in homelessness among the western countries, probably.

[@melindasaddler559]

Housing first doesn't work in America...period.

[@stellannie86]

"töytä" i'm dead 🤣

[@curmudgeon1933]

Owner/occupiers would be pissed if the value of their property remained the same, if they were relying on the value growing at a greater rate than the inflation to provide a pension plan at retirement...More importantly, the massive accumulation of both residential and commercial property by 'asset management' companies like Blackstone, rely on the ever-increasing prices, to push up rents and the value of their assets. Their vast real-estate portfolios are a cash-cow. As older owners die off these vulture capitalists, with their bottomless reserve of cash, can afford to buy without mortgages, and so without interest. This gives them 'passive income' by just sitting on the property, even if there is no occupant...but only if the prices rise fast enough to outstrip any costs and depreciation.

[@Kaaosification]

There are definitely some good things to say about politics in Finland, but I can't help but to think that there is a major reality check looming in the future. We already have one of the highest tax rates in the world and still now we are at 18% government budget deficit.

[@LordWaterBottle]

I will never understand why people expect houses they do nothing to to grow in value faster than inflation while cars that receive constant maintenance depreciate. Housing should be decomodified, anything else is just feudal landlords trying to maintain their power.

[@omelett3281]

so like... genuinely could i just move there?

[@Extinct_ish]

fr i fucking love Finland

[@ellem8990]

It's more difficult now unfortunately, when we really would benefit from people moving here (especially since they're usually young people who move)

[@omelett3281]

@@ellem8990 so like.. is it a bad idea?

[@ellem8990]

@@omelett3281 Well I can't give a clear yes or no since I don't know you. I imagine where you're from, what education you etc. affect how easy it would be to move and how much you could enjoy Finland. I would recommend looking up experiences from those who moved here, I know a few americans said they moved back because they got paid better in america/higher quality of life. I can't tell what changes might happen in the future, but I'll be honest, I'm not liking the current government and they are taking away some safety nets. Maybe they won't do more, but it's something to consider. Whatever you find probably won't include anything about this, so at least now you know a little bit. I still prefer living here tho for the record. Good luck, if you actually decide to give it a shot :)

[@DrainSoldier]

@omelett3281 You can still move to Finland very easily if you're not a burden to the country. Do not believe a single word this guy is saying ->@@ellem8990 The ''safety nets being removed'' is only because the Leftists completely destroyed finland's economy and now the current government has to try to fix it.

[@Luis-vx1tx]

It’s nimby’s that a primarily a force for preventing the increase of housing supply

[@AISOI705]

in defense of Iceland, we usually only find out they are our cousin after it is too late, and we usually stop after we find out

[@seancatacombs]

Cue your drunk uncle rolling his eyes, "You get rewarded for being homeless by getting a free house?? I'm quitting my job tomorrow and sitting on the corner with my thumb up my butt and so will everyone else!"

[@urhonykvist8795]

Still Finland needs to do better. It never should stop

[@thejjzz]

6:57 i didn’t know Auston Matthews is homeless

[@oishimomoz]

I live in new London Connecticut and it’s known for being where poor people live. We had the only public housing in my area but it was torn down in like 2019 and now we have a huge homeless crisis. It makes me so upset but once the projects left they started building really expensive apartments under the label “affordable housing” which is disgusting. I’m lucky I still live with my mom who was able to buy a condo in 2021. But it’s getting really bad here and it could be so much better if the city officials actually gave a fuck about the people who made our community so vibrant. The very same people they use to entice people to want to move here are the same people they are forcing out

[@bkucenski]

If you can't convince someone your property is worth $1000 a month to live in because they can get a property for free or cheaper they find to be good enough or better, maybe you just need to try harder.

[@RediTtora]

Part of the reason why Finland is better is there a lot less people like Hassan

[@talyahr3302]

Only counter argument I can think of is that the homeless people in this video are able to speak well into a camera, whereas the US has a lot of mentally ill people on the street. If you give all of them a house, they will trash it because they dont even have the ability to care for themselves. So my only main caviat would be that I assume Finland has mental health support. In the US, we can send some people to housing first programs and others to asylums which also need to be brought back and would be the best place for some of the people I've seen on the street.

[@TheNismo777]

If US doesnt take care of homeless US vets.. Give them a flight ticket to Finland and we damn sure will give them everything they need and DESERVE!!

[@ellem8990]

Hasan trying to say one actual finnish word makes up for 10% of him always using a swedish/norwegian accent to imitate finns. So I need him to try a whole paragraph to make up for the rest 🙏 (and I think he actually could do well since he's turkish). I'm not serious, but I also am not against him actually doing it, just saying.

[@Cadaveri]

What we have in Finland might not work in a bigger country with lower tax rates

[@bgiv2010]

Two things: 1) I always wonder if the people who talk about "homogeneity" could tell us how much like them we need to look or else we get exiled from the country. 2) I think it's interesting that no one brought up the plight if the housing developers or the landlords. The houses are already built and landlords shouldn't exist.

[@ithemba]

I remember the situation in Germany 2015 when they had to aquire housing for hundreds of thousands of people and FAST. Overnight there was this new type of "entrepreneur", real estate sharks that leased or sold shitty commercial or industrial buildings to the muncipalities. It happened hundreds of times all over the country, there were a lot of reports about catastrophal living situations. Most of those real estate sharks were well connected to the local right wing (anti migratio) parties and or policy makers. Where there is a buck to be made from public money, there will be some leeches trying to profit from it, regardless of ideology.

[@urgeboat9348]

21:11 for thumbnail pic

[@unknownentity8256]

I mean I'd say the population growth of +10% since 1990 is alright considering there's many countries in a quite steep population decline curve. + We haven't taken nearly as many immigrants into our country so our growth is lower because of that as well when in comparison to other Nordic countries.

[@sambones1092]

I would like if Hassan taught us how to invest our money as socialists, that would be a cool segment

[@motzkopf1000]

Check out India, they did a study and solved poverty, support people.

[@Mustanaamio7]

India definitely didn't do that.

[@duhni4551]

Hmmm. I think the core issue is that in general, people in USA are way too emotional, everything is so personal and full of heart and minds, there are no room for logic.

[@cronizle]

20%... i wish...usually just a free bloomin onion once a year.

[@HoseTheBeast]

53:34 Only black person in the video On screen for 1 second *swishes a sick 3 pointer* 😂😂😂

[@curmudgeon1933]

44:20. Trying to appeal to the financial benefits of curing homelessness, doesn't work for the mass property asset owners...because they not only profit from the manufactured housing crisis, but also from the prison-industrial complex. Fear of homelessness also keeps people working longer hours for less, and stifles criticism of the status quo. If people are only one or two paychecks from eviction or repossession, they are less inclined to risk being fired for voicing unpopular opinions (Israel/Palestine, anyone?).

[@esaedvik]

The real reason for all the happiness is metal bands per capita and amount of coffee consumed per capita. The chat is right to feel insulted by the Finnish accent :D We're not related to Swedes linguistically at all.

[@chimken321]

🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮SUOMI MAINITTU🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮

[@evaldaszmitra7322]

Solving the housing crisis involves a fundimental, even generational shift in mentally to prefer stocks for investment over housing.

[@wolfgangBuonarotti]

this is the country that held off the soviet army by being smarter and better at feeding their troops, oh and skiing.

[@Beaheadoeverybody]

Now this is exactly what America has got to do to stop the homelessness

[@canadiansmarties]

Housing first ❤

[@Sykoorus]

pretty sure LA's population is not 3,8milj. it is atleast 9milj legal americans + alot of illegal immigrants who are not part of the population statics. city of los angeles might have close to 4milj people, but if you calculate with LA county's homeless people. it has to be calculated with LA Countys population, and it is 100% more than 3,8milj.

[@motelmicrowave]

Finland fixes homelessness Louisiana actually we need a good and silver currency that'll fix things

[@rebeccachambers4701]

so in finland the homeless is primarly mentally ill or drug addicts , but in america the homeless are primarly the working class

[@feistygheisty]

Sauna sweat lodge is a human right

[@acedusse5119]

We look at these for answers, but why are they homeless in Finland? Is it the same reasons as the US? Then, what is the result of the housing the homeless?

[@Minervammm]

SUOMI ❤🎉🎉

[@urhonykvist8795]

It was 5 % then

[@uhohhotdog]

Wow they built more homes. What a crazy idea. Get rid of NIMBYs

[@otakusenpai3737]

U say Finland... I hear Vinland... Vinland Saga

[@apocalypsepow]

I also wish we had their immigration policy and border policy.

[@FemboyLegendGD]

The immigrants cant behave, and were responsible for 90% of gang crimes in the capital

[@BlueEyedTaty]

Mark Horvath of Invisible People is a friendquaintence and an incredible human. Yay @invisiblepeople

[@josephcroeniangamer3727]

wait in LA one every 50 people is homeless? Jesus god damn fucking christ.

[@alexius9072]

homeless camps decrease the housing value in the area lot more than having cheap rental apartments for few thousand people KEKW

[@finalbreath15]

We all know Finland isn't a real place.

[@KKaaIIKKaaII]

Perry The BNB

[@BorderGuardJaegerFinlandia]

Cykling is an homosexual activity 😂😂😂😂... That was so funny 😂😂😁

[@aliasalias8681]

Let me guess, they gave them homes.

[@ghouleye]

I think Finland can only do this because we build more houses but not more people so a lot empty houses and house owners need renters who come from housing first and city/government pays their rent to the house owner so houses don't stay empty so they can get profit through housing first.

[@digitalspecter]

There are more empty houses in the USA than homeless people.. that's not the problem.

[@ghouleye]

@@digitalspecter So you are saying that renting the houses to goverment for housing first movement doesn't help house owners profit?

[@Johnny_Pballs]

Hasan I'm homeless...not even kidding. Can you help me with housing, I'm in a shelter now but would love the security a home brings. Please help Hasan I know you understand

[@ThickRedPaste]

I’m sorry but this isn’t Hasan’s account. His actual account on KZbin is HasanAbi. Wish you all the best

[@MohamedGX]

America's culture is capitalism 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kazetarot]

The issue is not solved. There are still homeless people. The way the news is presented is not true.

[@anssi2267]

It is great that the homelessness has been solved in Finland. This does not come without problems though. There are numerous cases where the tenant has rented their apartments forward and they have been used for criminal activities. Imagine buying a flat in an apartment building with junkies or mental cases moving in next door. This has a negative impact on the price of your property. The other side is that property investors are making money from the government and the rent prices are ever increasing = even higher taxes. There should be a top to the rent expense and the people who rely on public money do not need to live downtown.