Fire and Fury

[@Diego000793]

SHORT RANGE??!!

[@spacehippie4229]

SHORT?

[@LadyMorrigan]

Thats going in the book

[@davidkunakovsky3155]

S R ?

[@Bereii]

THEY HAVE WRONGED US!

[@billylee7398]

Dey b nuh A.I. land.

[@LimeGuy101]

I don't think I've ever seen a Tomb Kings battle on youtube where they don't get utterly decimated

[@micahisham]

The AI sucks with tomb kings. Ends up keeping trash stacks into late game.

[@HarrDarr]

@@micahisham because they are auto resolve kings, they just throw stacks at other AI until they win cuz its all free. same with how skaven has full slave armies at turn 150. they only start recruiting good armies once you kill them a few times because it means they now actually have room in their armies to add later tier units

[@saltedllama2759]

@@micahisham As the player, you can win with trash stacks of Tomb Kings late in the game because they are free to replace, whereas your higher tier stuff has limited slots.

[@settratheimperishable4093]

@@HarrDarr Full slave armies are great though, as long as you have a proper army within a few tiles at all times they are great for support.

[@HarrDarr]

@@settratheimperishable4093 I am talking about the AI not players?

[@Tentacl]

As a fan of flamethrowers I'd give this +1 for cool factor.

[@inductivegrunt94]

The grudges this day shall be written out in flames! Now if only the Dwarfs could fix the issue of their flame weapons having such short range.

[@anonnymousperson]

SHORT!?!?!

[@9FoXi6]

There'll be no Alliance

[@dontgankmebruv7273]

@@9FoXi6 Only a RECKONING

[@9FoXi6]

@@dontgankmebruv7273 *Grudge to far

[@dontgankmebruv7273]

@@9FoXi6 its the next line in the trailer

[@annormal1414]

Looks like khazukan kazakit-ha is back in the menu boys

[@joshmartling]

Imagine this army in a chokepoint battle against vampire counts. *Chef’s kiss*

[@Karina-winsmore]

Babe, wake up! Legend uploaded a dwarf video!

[@AggressiveHayBale]

Doomstack quality? Okey maybe not the best. FUN AND AMAZINGNESS? 10 Surfing on lava dragons with cool glasses out of 10

[@andregon4366]

I once used an army a bit like this one against Wood Elves back in TWW2. It was beautiful.

[@sauronplugawy3866]

WELCOME TO ESTALIA GENTELMEN

[@Kidneypunches101]

Same them trees make good fire wood

[@Mattias_the_unimpressive]

I'm annoyed that there aren't much thought put to the banners in the army, the dwarfs can produce their own and while you can only have one banner of each kind assigned to the lord, giving one cannon homing anti-large shots makes it devastating to enemy artillery.

[@pumpknight8539]

not really because the bonus vs large does not apply against artillery unless we are talking about something like little grom or chaos dwarf artillery and it still has very short range for an artillery piece. Though it does help against large single entities

[@Mattias_the_unimpressive]

@@pumpknight8539 I didn't know anti large didn't apply to most artillery, but the homing effect alone is incredible when every shot hits their artillery pieces. And there are other artillery-banners too that people definitely should put on their doomstacks.

[@Memilish]

This really feels like dwarfs who just *had enough of it*. The grudges shall be settled in flame, or something.

[@markdotinc8371]

As a historical TW player, sometimes I like to watch these WH videos and experience just complete sensory overload...I have absolutely no idea what I am looking at but it looks sick

[@Ax_Dj0]

CA definitely nerfed dawi too much when they deprived them from having engineers increasing range skill

[@blodstainer]

engineers are still very powerful buffers, I don't get why legend didn't use them to buff the damage here actually

[@Zayl1016]

May not be 10/10 in traditional terms, but in terms of satisfaction and spectacle, I'd say it's 10/10

[@kwdblade4683]

Legend fans when he uploads a video: ☺ Legend fans when he doesn't use a banner: 😡

[@jimbob4447]

Flame damage/flame resistance and weakness really needs looking at. Just feels like too much of a niche attack attribute that isn't useful most of the time.

[@nemeo8391]

In Warhammer III flaming attacks reduce by 50% all healing sources, including regen on units hit by it It's a small improvement from previous titles

[@SleepyFen]

​@@nemeo8391it's a massive improvement. Getting half value from your earth bloods and units regenerating at half speed is a big deal.

[@joaogabrieldiniz3299]

This video reminded me of the Troll Torpedo one from WH2, that one was delicious to see

[@petarg1986]

I make one of this almost every dwarf run I do, its a fun stack for me, the thanes have high resistance to fire so they work fine with flame cannons and irondrakes, the engineers were a huge help when they used to give range boost.

[@Nightmare_52]

now this is true dwarf FIREpower

[@BlizzardAcolyte]

A few takeaways: - this is exactly the kind of gimmick army I have imagined when messing around with Cryswar's Peacehammer...like, this concept, but with way more variety to make it seem like indiscriminate immolation of all kinds: a Firebelly, some Warpfire Throwers, a Flamer or two, Fire Arrow Peasant Bowmen, Infernal Ironsworn...led by Taurox or Kostaltyn, I think. Even more impractical than this, but would be fun as hell to smash Vampiric Ascension or The Wild Hunt with - I have become interested lately in TK as a whole and while I have yet to play a campaign as them, they are a 2nd-tier race I am considering to jump into next. It got me thinking: would anyone here say the stacks Khemri used here were...I dunno, good? (I am aware that Legend scrolled through the 2nd stack so quickly at the start that it was a bit difficult to see its full extent) - 10:54 I humbly request that you take that back

[@dark_side_cookies]

Holy crap that was probably the fastest wipe I've ever seen of not one but two reinforcing stacks. O_O I also wonder if this would be more effective with 1-2 Irondrakes w/ Trollhammer torpedoes, or Cannons or Organ Guns. I get there's a theme but there's definitely a lack of anti-large units. That said, it's definitely better than a Gyro doomstack. I feel those are too limited on ammo, even with Engineers.

[@CloudWallace]

Brother, get the flamer THE HEAVY FLAMER

[@Zefar77]

Having about two or three Irondrakes in your army makes auto resolve in your favor a lot of times when it's a lot of blob units. They get mad amount of kills too.

[@cango8415]

Gelt watching the whole deal from far away: ' Brothers in metal!'

[@welsh7858]

More likely "Brothers in melt-all" XD

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

Yeah, not the greatest doomstack, but a massive funstack. I don't know why, but Irondrakes are just more fun than other flamethrowers.

[@huskyandhdftw]

Loved this vid, seems like they just need some high micro focus fire targeting for single entities and they could be ok ish

[@michaelbeasley9401]

I find that artillery is fairly specialized, it's better to have 2-3 units of artillery of different varieties, like 1 each of cannons, flame cannons, and maybe organ guns (as far as dwarfs go). That way it mitigates their individual weaknesses and they compliment each other. Artillery seems to be one of the few unit types where variety is better than single unit spams.

[@MarkAndrewEdwards]

Thanks for doing some dwarf battles, love my short kings in Warhammer 3.

[@gavburger]

Flame cannons are a pretty average unit. Despite Legend suggesting they're suited to sieges they can't actually arc their shot over a city wall. I'd rather have grudge throwers than flame cannons in most situations.

[@ShawnHCorey]

GG. Ambushing the enemy is not cheese.

[@geherrit1989]

personally i like flame canons, but with how bad dwarf growths is i rarely get to use t5 units

[@sinuosalice-1434]

Flame cannon are t4 now (late wh2 patch i think) but yea growths is just unbearable, this campaign was 100 turns and i probably had 1 or 2 t5 settlement, with any other race it would be 10 at minimum

[@Cynndora]

very satisfying army, love iron drakes.

[@Sercotani]

Dwarfs of Fire...oh wait that title's taken. uuuh, Dragon Dwarfs! Yeah, that works!

[@srtfrostbite]

Dwarfs were the first race I played when starting totalwar Warhammer 1 back in the day, and I enjoyed them a lot but but they definitely could use an update right now. I know they had their forge update with Thorek and tech tree shake up and basically had all their units drop down one tier, but them still not having tier 5 units is very strange to me. Here's hoping Thrones of decay actually helps them out.

[@alirezarezaei2976]

The Iron Drakes flame thrower version is good but not as good as Torpido launchers I also create kinda same doom stack for grombrindal but with some big differences For example, I always bring torpedo launchers alongside flame throwers Flame throwers are great against massive hordes of chaff but for killing elite stuff the torpedo launchers are the deal And also Instead of bringing artillery to his army, I bring Gyrobombers as they also get benefit from the buffs Grombrindal provides for the army I bring Grombrindal with 1 Thane 2 rune smiths and 3 master engineers and for the units, I bring 6 Iron drakes (3 from each type) and 8 Gyrobombers For the tactic, I always do corner camping and place the Iron drakes in front of my Gyrobombers because they have a much longer range when upgraded via technology and can cover Iron drakes if any enemy slipped through their firewall Also Gyrobombers always give me the ability to go hunt enemy dangerous single entities and long-range missile threats I single-handedly defeated the chaos invasion on the legendary difficulty in Warhammer 2 with this army combination with Grombrindal in 4 turns by destroying 14 stacks of chaos forces including Archeon, Sigvald, and Kholeck which most of them were during the AI turn and was defensive and the enemy could bring more than 1 stack I could easily go after single entities and snipe them all over the battlefield and allow only the infantry to reach my front line

[@ngrader]

7:31 Watches 2 armies get smashed in as many minutes... "I'm surprised they didn't advance." Is Warhammer approaching AGI??? ;)

[@TheYannir]

Needs some cannons and thunderers. But very fun.

[@tauIrrydah]

I love the smell of Khemri in the morning.

[@SomeIdiotLUL]

Can't wait for the dwarf update. I hope it's as impressive as chaos dwarves

[@Izznogood76]

I hope for some rework to be done!

[@adriankoch964]

A Gyrobomber or two would be really useful in this army to focus on single entities & swoop in and take out dangerous ranged units like plague claw catapults before they can fire. Also can be used to make ai blob and draw out approaches. I feel like skaven would be really annoying to fight with this. In my dawi ranged stacks I like to bring a unit of hammerers that just hangs back to deal with menace below and let the catapults fire asap again and deny a chance to trigger warp bomb by killing&moral shocking fast. IMO any more than 3 irondrakes is too much in most armies. They deal damage quickly enough and have enough ammo to better bring something else and cover their weaknesses. Not bringing Runesmiths wastes a lot of free infinitely repeatable damage and buffs.

[@loveluclins]

Single entity dueler is mostly small single entity duelers like vlad, at least that's what I assume legend meant with that. Lotta monsters still get shut down relatively well by spears.

[@Koyu_Ruh]

Welcome to Estalia, Gentledwarfs!

[@MojocatAMVs]

8:40 Interesting, I've always seen Irondrakes as amazing in auto-resolve; they always seem to get hundreds of kills, at least when in a "balanced" army

[@thegreatlarry9454]

Feels like switching out for a few cannons (for range), few trollhammer torpedo (anti-large, SE's), and a few gyrocopters (kill enemy artillery or waste their ammo) would help fix a few of this stack's weaknesses

[@sim.frischh9781]

Cheese? GRILLED Cheese!

[@Lones555]

I'd not even class this as a doomstack as I don't see a faction it's particularly strong against and you'd have to have a lot of things go in your favour (certain maps your artillery wouldn't even be able to find line of sight). I suspect Norsca under the AI would be an easy win as they rarely make use of their faster or high tier units but they're rarely a threat to Dwarf factions anyway in the campaign.

[@EmielRegisRochellecTerzief]

Why didn't I think about it!!!!??? For the last two weeks I was considering what new dwarf (favourite race) doometack could I make

[@KALLAX-]

Legend: We need to show strenghts and weaknesses Also Legend: Sits in enemy fire and doesn't advance xD But nice video anyways

[@PainfullySubjective]

definitely a most fragile doom stack

[@maestromarat6195]

Maybe replacing a few of the flame cannons with brimstone gyro coppers? Gives you some anti large wile keeping the fire theme? I know they aren't the greatest anti large unit though

[@martinlysy]

They are pretty quick. (for a dwarf)

[@محمدحسامفلاح]

i love dwarfs :) even though they're weak

[@LotusReal]

Hey man I watched some years ago back when you and another guy who was quite edgy were doing streams and coop campaigns, I wanna say, you really got me back into Warhammer recently and I'm glad you still make great content, there really isnt anyone else like you in the warhammer content sphere. Also what happened to that coop guy? I remember he did some drama stuff so did he leave the community? Either way, I cant wait for more videos, and hopefully we'll get an Ind or Karesh or Nippon DLC soon, ill be waiting for your coverage~

[@senshibat8920]

The Dawi are powerful methodical.. but should have a mod or a way to adopt Felix and Gotrex for fun with ulrika and the gold knight

[@Hunko115]

Any chance of you ranking all of the legendary heros in WH3?

[@miragegaming984]

You make this look easy.

[@perrymeril]

SHORT?! DO YOU WANT TO BUILD A SNOWMAN????!!!!

[@welsh7858]

I don't think it's an army. It's likely mobile furnace for making glass, incrustated with bone and metal. Their firepower output at first armies is tremendous. Those guys just melted skellies like nothing.

[@playerioik6101]

so you can get this Dwarf doom-stack (using Canons because of Legend comments) with a level 3 settlement, that's convenient, just like the Trolls Doomstack of the Greenskins; who would win? My bet? If it is human, Greenskins wins, if not Greenskins also wins jajajaj but being objective with a SHORT sample we should expect this result.

[@jasonhemphill8525]

Flame cannon? More like glass cannon.

[@welsh7858]

Glass canon is very appropriate name for them for 1) they do glass with heat in that desert 2) well, they are fragile.

[@EpicFace7589]

Range fire, range fast

[@XtecHubble]

we need heroes/lords on gyrocopters! (assuming this is not a lore problem..)

[@mikeoakman6708]

19.04.1943 flashbacks *skull*

[@torquevonthorne948]

This army really needs 2 gyrocopters units for support.

[@leshiq4214]

Played Dowes for some time. Irondrakes always where the salvation! Though, a dwarfen army without orghan gunners - never tried. I actually bought the ame and started playing after I saw your irondrakes (torpidos) anahilating dragons back when they where OP.

[@GreenSwordsman1]

Do you think changing out some of the flamethrowers out for troll hammer torpedos, maybe 2 of them, for single entity damage

[@Garret007]

would definitely heavily improve the army by a lot

[@emrysmyridden]

i wish all archer lords and heroes had homing projectiles Alith anar is supposed to be a super archer but he couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat

[@SleepyFen]

On the flip side, his arrows penetrates quite well, so he does a lot of damage to units and does well against artillery too.

[@frapp2510]

I definitely misread fury

[@gijskramer1702]

Has he tried a ushabti greatbow doomstack yet?

[@paulenan9636]

Not to my knowledge, though the question is how doomstackable Tomb Kings are in general

[@gijskramer1702]

@@paulenan9636 there is a tk general that buffs ushabti like crazy. Ushabti greatbow can be recruited somewhat easely and they are decend in melee. I loved using them

[@patrickvasconcelos3001]

But the better question is: how to improve this one? maybe add some cannons or other units in exchange of a few flame cannons?

[@lloydspencer7680]

steal some range and reload speed heroes from other factions imao. Or just play Chaos Dwarfs the power creep is real.

[@0xBorges]

What's the worry with splash attacks damaging your own units with irondrakes?

[@jamesdrewry5229]

Dwarf shortage

[@jackeriksen6753]

Think you are over estimating the current state of Tomb Kings, they got absolutely nothing that can deal with armored foot lords and heroes those days.

[@Dante-sm4vs]

Are the dwarfs the only faction without a single tier 5 unit?

[@elbrachoxddd5883]

Least bot filled comment section:

[@tayzhien]

Why not organ guns, why recommend great cannons instead?

[@lordisen4668]

Likely because cannons have longer range and are better at arty duels

[@Romczy]

Legend literally said why. Too many anti-infantry units

[@welsh7858]

And great canons are pretty good (with precision) against big single entities targets.

[@npbarnhill]

That army wouldn't survive first contact with skaven

[@lollylegsgruff]

Would troll hammer torpedoes help that stack out?

[@sinuosalice-1434]

Yea, this was mostly just a "thematic memestack". Switch 2 irondrakes for hammer torpedo to deal with big single entity (only type of unit the torpedo are better at killing) and get rid off 3 flame cannons for 2 organs gun and 1 normal cannon.

[@frankpulmanns6685]

No artillery runes?

[@nikolaikuznetsov911]

Irondrakes aren't good in auto resolve? I had a garrison of 12 or 13 units playing as Oracles of Tzeentch and they lost to 1 Dwarf Lord, 1 great cannon and 1 Iron drake unit. The iron drake unit had like 400 or 500ish kills which was just some bullshit. and they lost like 2 dudes. I was playing on Hard difficulty.

[@MrBlipman]

Would be nice if the AI recognized cheese armies like this and completely ignored the heroes. Like I feel the AI is so bad and if it was competent at all, even on lower difficulties the game would be much more fun since it would be less cheese and more actual tactics and skill.

[@ZooNam-p8i]

Inglorious bastard

[@flopus7]

Werf the flammen

[@TheLittleTofu1]

I'm a rookie at warhammer and still learning but does anyone know how to move his army like that? 7:40

[@thallusa123]

If you have a group of units selected, press alt and drag them. It will move them in the same formation. When you are moving them around, you can hold control and rotate the formation as well. I may have mixed up control and alt but give it a try.

[@TheLittleTofu1]

@@thallusa123 thank you so much

[@octaviooliveira3019]

That bots dude, lfmao

[@r31n0ut]

something just occured to me... if Legend can play other people's games for content, could you get achievements by loading up someone else's save file where they already did the hard stuff? obviously that's cheating, but... is it possible, or are games protected from that stuff?

[@NobleMarcos]

Flamethrower units are the cooles and most useless in the game, i wish they were actually useful.

[@dickysatria7268]

Who let these shorty cook !?

[@Macaf4r]

I feel like you could add a new army category like niche stacks , Doom stacks you know ? Lol

[@goldeninnos3411]

they barely outperformed stack of dwarf warriors. completely useless

[@julioramos1544]

Whats up with these doomstack videos last couple of days. Tzeentch doomstack was against lizardmen who have VERY little tools to deal with flying units .... against a flying unit doomstack.... And then this one is a flame damage army against a faction that's most likely to have weakness to fire damage? lol wtf. You're better than this legend!

[@WeAreLegion1]

If somebody sends in a doomstack that has heroes in it then they are part of the doomstack. You treat these as you are testing a unit. I never understand why you do this. If the heroes weren't part of the doomstack then they wouldn't be in it.

[@sinuosalice-1434]

Probably because you could actually just win the battle with only grombrindal and those heroes

[@WeAreLegion1]

@sinuosalice-1434 so because you can then you just ignore them all together? You go from one extreme to another. But if people send in a doomstack with heroes then obviously those heroes are part of the doomstack otherwise you would just send in 19 units of whatever. Some heroes do boost the army like ammunition so okay but he just beat 4 full stacks with 25 percent of the ammunition so obviously 5 heroes is overkill for just army buffs. The whole point is I can understand don't cheese with the heroes because you need to test the army but just use them like they are supposed to be used.

[@thefireboom]

I'll do one turn in a campaign for every like this comment gets (will upload proof)