Fire Emblem: Three Houses - Class Tier List (Maddening NG)

[@kobyma2]

28:18 "Your falcon knights with point blank volley"? She has a name, you know. 😃

[@FuriousHaunter]

I will never understand why they made trickster and war monk/cleric so bad, they even gave trickster the best magic casting animation just to half your ability to use magic. This game really did hybrid classes dirty for no reason. On an unrelated note these videos are always well done and I look forward to the next! :)

[@JonoabboFE]

Yeah the trickster crit animation especially makes me wish it was better. Thank you for the kind words!

[@IntrusiveThot420]

War monk/cleric is sick for dodge tanks, but like... they could just be wrath vantage units anyway 😂

[@nguyenthanhsu9135]

This franchise has been doing this recently; I don't know their reason. Great Knight used to be pretty good, and Fortress Knight was good in the GBA games. But after that, it seems they change direction quite a bit, making these classes obsolete.

[@Hemestal]

Both are decent but fall off in the late game. Theur schtick is to be early transition classes that are easily accessible, thats their main strength but they certaintly are not meant to be kept until the endgame

[@johnlynch1353]

@@nguyenthanhsu9135 i mean great Knight is a perfectly fine master class once you get in to it. Its main problem is how difficult it is to get in to. If you make it easier to get in to their would be multiple units that would want to get in to it because it is the only way a male can get in to a class with lance fair at the master class level.

[@OperaQueen85]

The class info is really useful. And tagging the video so one can find the classes is super helpful. Thanks for the extra work

[@JonoabboFE]

Thank you so much!!

[@hellothere2570]

I would definitely place barbarossa above falcon, because barely any units actually want falcon. Aside from Bernadetta, very few units will prefer going falcon over wyvern lord since axes are just better unless you have a strong lance CA and most units who have that are male. Meanwhile barbarossa gives Claude flight for free, and it's one of his best end classes

[@AshenDust_]

Doesn’t Bernie prefer Paladin for the Guard adjutant? Otherwise she just gets one-rounded.

[@hellothere2570]

@AshenDust_ either one is good, she can still set up vengeance with just blessing and flight is very strong. Really bernie can pull off whatever the hell she wants, she's just that good

[@markc2226]

Brigand doesn't just have the highest strength growth mod, it has the highest strength boost of an intermediate class. Because of a lack of faire, Brigand just does better damage than any physical class in the tier. Brigand is basically Physical Mage. 1 damage more than the competition and carried by its mastery. Cavalier's best user is also Dimitri. He can get to B Riding/B Lances with A Authority by chapter 7 if you just have him go into the class because of the snowballing skill boosts and solo authority instruction! Dude becomes a Jagen. Even if Crimson Flower hates horses, Dark Knight has 6 movement dismounted. A 6 movement mage with the tomefaire is better than anything else male mages will get, and they won't have to train swords for it. I think I'd honestly put Monk above Fighter. Monk is basically the Mage class with 1 less magic and has the biggest performance buff of any beginner class. The fact that it still has the same movement as the other beginner classes and can use all non-gauntlet weapons is also very good for it. I think you're unfair toward the other intermediate magic classes too. Dark Mage is interesting because it has +1 magic mod over Mage and has a higher damage base spell with more differences for most than fire. Might be better for Linhardt for warping before Bishop. The mastery is interesting as well; 20% damage on poison strike means that if the enemy has 30 HP or more you're matching Fiendish Blow. If you're initiating with the mage instead of trying to finish the enemy with them, Dark Mage's mastery might be better. The exception would be if you're doubling, where the enemy now needs 60 HP (which endgame many will reach) but most male mages also aren't doubling. Another exception is nova damage, but most of the nova is on girl mages, with maybe Hubert and Lorenz using Frozen Lance as well. Getting both is the best option though. Dark Mages also have heartseeker, which is a really cool ability that mages just don't get. Mage has 1 magic over Priest AND Monk. That's one damage using the same spells while priest is healing 5 more HP. Fire is a cool spell, but most mages already learn fire or a better spell like Cutting Gale, Sagittae, etc. Maps should not be lasting long enough for your mages to run out. Swordmaster is by far the worst of the sword classes. It's not really all that easy to get into. Hero C Axes lets them go Brigand for Deathblow before for a stronger player phase. Assassin C Bows lets them get Hit+20 beforehand. Having two ranks makes Hero/Assassin more lenient on certification, and it takes less weapon EXP to get from E to C (300 WEXP) than it does going from B to A (640). Swordmaster is even worse than Trickster. Trickster gives you stealth + magic for the same movement with forestwalking. Even if it's half magic, that's more magic than swordmaster gets to use, and it can attack with that magic (or soul/hexblade) on the frontlines without worrying about counterattacks. It's true that Swordmaster gets more damage, but that damage is hardly enough on its own.

[@JonoabboFE]

Thanks for the long post, it's really appreciated! Funny you mention Dimitri, when I was editing it down I was sat there wondering why his name never left my mouth lmao. Dark Knight being the best option for male Mages in CF doesn't make the class good, it just makes male mages underwhelming, and in most cases they probably shouldn't be going into magic oriented classes, taking their talents to Magic Bow snipers or making use of combat arts in the flying classes. Fire is an incredibly good spell to have for mages who don't already have it; especially the Dark mages, due to it's accuracy and low weight, which can go far in preventing doubles. I think you are sleeping on it quite a bit, it's an absolute gamechanger for a massive chunk of unit. Monk being the biggest buff is a fair point for sure, and not one I considered, I was considering it more in isolation rather than the merits over C/N. Swordmaster being available so early with Catherine puts it above Trickster alone, since access to a Faire skill at that stage of the game is such a huge powerspike, and whilst swords are typically worse than the alternatives, I actually think it benefits the class here since that stage of the game is prior to H20. Plus EP Swordmasters have legitimate merits to them thanks to Sword Crit +10. Soul and Hexblade are just better with SM because of Swordfaire too. It is essentially just above the other two because of it's early performance giving it an actual practical use case where it is extremely strong, even if it is because it was cheated out early, compared to Hero and Assassin. I think Hero maybe could have gone above it still thanks to vantage though.

[@markc2226]

@@JonoabboFE I see now, I get it. I keep forgetting about just how strong early Catherine really is because I've been playing a ton of Silver Snow where I just turn her into a War cleric. I still think Dark Mage is being a little unfairly judged though. Miasma is 10 hit less than fire, which can be made up for with Heartseeker giving +20 hit on adjacent enemies for finishing foes (and giving more hit for allies too). For Frozen Lance users like Hubert/Lorenz it offers the +20 hit to their lances. For Linhardt and other characters with wind, the Magic Boost makes wind do as much as Mage's Fire would, which means they have 10 more accuracy (30 with heartseeker). Fire also deals 1 more as well with the same accuracy.

[@cryguy0000]

I know people give Holy Knight a bad wrap but you gotta remember that Valkyrie, Dark Flier and Gremory are gender locked so that and Dark Knight are the only viable ways of keeping male mages on par with the rest of the team

[@cartooncritic7045]

Why would anyone want to go Holy Knight when they can go Dark Knight instead? Or in Linhardt’s case, why would you want him to do anything but Warp and/or Physic?

[@nightwish1453]

well only Lindhardt comes to mind as the only male healer in the game and double warp can only work with him as bishop

[@misantrope6267]

"bad wrap" :D

[@LinkachuHQ]

I'd argue that Valkyrie is endgame worth on Lysithea and Constance! The +1 Range in the class + getting Dark/Black Magic range +1 at S + using Thysus/Cethleen Staff gives them such a stupid amount of range. The 6 move (+1 over Gremory) and the Canto can let them easily retreat. This is especially helpful for Constance b/c she has Meteor. Overall, def a top tier class

[@EsmeSoSa26]

Valkyrie is good, but I'd say Dark Knight is just better. Yes, you have 1 less range, but you have 1 more movement, giving you effectively the same range, but with Dark/Black tomefaire to hit even harder

[@Arkayjiya]

@@EsmeSoSa26 1 range is worth two movement points, not one movement on a class with canto.

[@dddmemaybe]

@@Arkayjiya Can be more too because of linked attack passive boosts for allies(and yourself) can allow, potentially multiple, units to take off hit-boosters- if not just have perfect hit, as well as give allies damage if you're Ingrid (sylvain and felix) or a house leader (their Retainer and Byleth). The number of tiles of giving bonuses out from 1-6 range are: 4(melee), 12(fire), 24(thoron), 40, 60, and 84. And also 220 for standard meteor. Magic units also don't incur hit-to-range penalties, making them more hit-functional at making attacks using large range benefits, and hitting benchmarks for extra range can stay relevant at avoiding retaliation against enemy bow knights and archers.

[@MrMarinus18]

It is a really good class no doubt. The problem is that warp is just so stupidly OP especially on Lysithea. Gremory being better is more a statement to how OP warp is and how much you can use it to cheese the game.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@EsmeSoSa26 I think though that the unforgiving terrain and many cramped quarter of verdant wind make valkyrie better. Very often you just can't get to the enemy cause of a wall or rough terrain so the extra range is really nice to cut down on the movement you have to make. Also for Lysithea black tomefaire is not super needed and thanks to mastermind she can actually get to S+ rank in the final chapter. I did switch her from Valkyrie to dark knight too but in the final few chapters I actually switched her back. I found the extra 1 range more useful than the extra 1 movement in the unforgiving maps and it didn't really affect Lysithea's damage output. I also was close to S+ reason which I got in the map of storming the palace.

[@kingshadow2518]

Let’s go! We get more of theses kinds of videos!! Love to see keep up the good work!!

[@JonoabboFE]

Thank you! We have 2 tier lists on the way this month (atleast the live versions will be this month, lol)!

[@MrMarinus18]

32:55 There also isn't any narratively about them that makes sense. They should have given them some ability like +2 damage done and +1 damage taken every time Dimitri kills something. That he becomes more and more bloodthirsty. Maybe the high lord mastery skill could be something like a 44% chance to act again after killing something though it can only propt once per turn. (44 cause the word for 4 is the same as death in Japanese.)

[@wedorepairs]

Really love the sprites for myrmidon and commoner/noble 🤣🤣🤣 excellent tier list

[@JonoabboFE]

Thank you! Really appreciate your support!

[@OperaQueen85]

What does “brawling” in the class notes mean? Does it mean that one can use gauntlets in that class? Oh this is why you were asking about whether Holy Knight can use gauntlets. It wasn’t an idea of how help Mercedes contribute (I’m joking of course)

[@JonoabboFE]

Yeah, it means the class can use gauntlets, and yes that's why I was asking about Holy Knight LOL

[@javierjuarez9761]

If you are not a pure Mage (Monk,Mage,Dark Mage,Dark Bishop,Priest,Bishop,Warlock, Germory) You can use gauntlets even in the mounted classes(Cavalier,Paladin,Pegasus Knight, Wyvern Rider and Lord,Valkyrie,Dark Flier,Dark Knight,Holy Knight,Falcon Knight) as long as you dismounted you can use gauntlets

[@MrMarinus18]

I think raging storm should be been exclusive to emperor and always be there. Emperor would still have a lot of flaws but it likely would be worth using just for raging storm alone. Then the low move of the emperor would be an understandable limitation to keep raging storm in check. Or maybe they could still give raging storm to Aymr but have it only be useable as armored lord and emperor. Though I feel the raging storm effect fits Dimitri better. I would have liked something like the inverse of stealth for Edelgard. That all enemy units will target her if possible. It could fit her quite well as the emperor with her servants around her taking out the magic users while she tanks all the physical hits.

[@sylvainjosegautier767]

i think that fortress knight is really useful for its base stats. getting 17 defense on a unit can be a big deal. on average petra has 10.7 defense at level 20 if you recruit her at level 1. even a student with a higher base and growth that becomes a cavalier like sylvain will only have 14 defense on average at level 20. a dedue that becomes an armored knight will have 1.5 defense than 17 on average. that means certifying someone as a fortress knight makes a student almost as defensive as dedue (ignoring his passive ability), who is the best tank in the game.

[@JimHamiltonIII]

Requirements for Death Knight: "Be Jeritza." Does that mean I can't promote my Lysithea build into the class? She does trounce him repeatedly and easily, after all.

[@mintx1720]

Assassin is a very good endgame class, granted it only works on in house mage Ingrid, Anna and Yuri with levin sword, all the mage skills & maybe darting blow.

[@Lex_Araden]

While I personally don't like Great Knight, I have seen Atano use it to great effect in Iron Man runs. Tanking + Canto can be really useful.

[@cooperm4185]

You mention that Dark Knight effectively only has two abilities because the only two units that learn both Black and Dark Magic have better things to do (especially since they're locked to a route that hates horses) but isn't that also the case with Gremory? At least Dark Knight has Jeritza, Gremory only affects Edelgard due to the genderlock. Great video overall, as always, I just wanted to clear up that Mortal Savant is different because while you (usually) only use one of the Black/Dark Magic skills, Mortal Savant is different in that it benefits Black Magic users but not Dark Magic users. It would be nice if it had Dark Tomefaire so Lys could go into it for builds where you don't want to rely on Warp as much but still want to kill things at a distance without Levin Sword

[@JonoabboFE]

It is, but Gremory has WMUx2 which is turbobroken thanks to warp lmao. Yeah, I did say at the time it offers more Flexibility, it definitely is better to have the extra tomefaire for that, but in practice you are only using 2 abilities with any given unit.

[@ShepardCommander]

@@JonoabboFE Warp is the best unit positioning ability in the game, that being said you will have to justify how having a 2nd use of it is worth it for someone who isn't just trying to skip the map or speedrun trough the game. I would argue trickster's unlimited foul play is way more useful (particularly on yuri, with his extra move and canto, but it's still good on others) because you can save a unit by bringing them back from the frontline while placing your sword using dodge tank that enemies seem to love to try to go for even at 0 hit for some reason. Warp is way overvalued by the FE community and it's because of speedruns. if you want to play trough the game normally, it's not that great.

[@JonoabboFE]

@@ShepardCommander In standard play, the second use of warp is even more valuable than in an LTC, because the map goes on longer to get more valuable use out of it. If you are ending the map in one turn, what use is a second cast of warp, unless you use your dancer on it. Whether you are speedrunning or not, being able to clear threatening enemies earlier is incredibly strong. Warp is still ludicrously busted regardless of how you choose to play the game. My value of warp has nothing to do with Speedruns. When I started rating warp highly, I was a child who couldn't care less about turn count, but found that Saleh flinging Seth where it was best for Seth to be made the game 10x easier. As a general rule, your best unit being in the best spot for them to be is always, unequivocally, incredibly good. Also, I'm not sure "I make the game deliberately harder for myself by not ending maps in the easiest way" is a good defence for why something isn't good. Like, cool, you can do some fancy stuff with Foul Play. By that point, you could have ended almost any map in the game with warp. Choosing not to is fine - I do too in basically all of my playthroughs at this point, I find it more fun not to skip levels, you can see this in my playthroughs. That doesn't make skipping worse or less viable. Also, Yuri doesn't have extra move and Canto, the Fetters of Dromi do, and they can be used by any unit. Typically they are best given to your dancer.

[@gusbart5856]

is this different from your prior class tierlist

[@JonoabboFE]

In terms of rankings; no. This is an edited version of the stream that just cuts out a lot of the downtime, and I added an overlay for each class to show what it does, how you get it, etc.

[@robo6o3]

In your opinion what are the best troops to put into dancer

[@JonoabboFE]

Dorothea is a great choice in the Black Eagles routes, Marianne is a solid all-rounder, Hilda is good for Deer if you don't plan on using her. Really though, it doesn't make a huge difference, so your best candidate is usually whoever you aren't really using for anything else.

[@robo6o3]

@@JonoabboFE much appreciated

[@robo6o3]

@@JonoabboFE also if you don't mind answering when you do maddening ng+ any routes are there troops you make a sole focus on recruiting

[@JonoabboFE]

@@robo6o3 I'm not too experienced with NG+, I tend to just play regular NG, but I don't think there would be anyone I particularly prioritise other than for paralogue purposes (Lorenz, Ashe or Cat, etc)

[@sheeesh2131]

Noice

[@zdelrod829]

Hot take: Dancer is the best class in the game.

[@burstinatrixflames2506]

Creo que necesito tiempo para saber cual es cual

[@kierenbuckley370]

Sniper is god tier

[@dicedoomkid]

The DLC shit really irks me, there are so few classes in this fe title and trying to get us to pay for more is fucking insane.