Fire reignites at Moss Landing Power Plant, world's largest battery storage plant

[@greggkupec]

The solar transition is so bright you can see it at night😂

[@Foofrarf23]

Great, maybe you can use that glow for your solar panels 😂😂😂

[@WacoUIC1933]

If you think batteries are "clean" energy, you are only deluding yourself.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Exactly!

[@thommwilcox1658]

Lithium batteries yes are very dangerous, but there are new battery chemistries coming that are way more stable and reliable also. It's obvious not gonna be perfect for a while but constantly burning fossil fuels will be worse in the long run

[@johnfetter]

@@thommwilcox1658 You have no proof of such a claim.

[@Socrates21stCentury]

@@johnfetter Really ???? Toxic fires filling the atmosphere with poisonous clouds of chemicals is not proof ... what planet are you on ???

[@roxstix]

With the annual fires in CA, it offsets whatever "green" and "environmental" benefits it claimed.

[@thommwilcox1658]

Wildfires are part of the natural cycle of plant life, burning fossil fuels and tossing made in China stuff in landfills is not.

[@frankl1955]

EVs were supposed to save the planet, and environmentalists were tasked with saving the forests and air. It would appear a reassessment of priorities are in order.

[@thomasmackey6760]

Dumping toxic ash on the asparages artichoke strawberrys lettues etc etc etc

[@randolphwilliams2365]

That's actually a terrifying fault period when I visited the area several times I was so impressed with the vegetable fields.

[@kc72186]

No artichokes for the next 10years

[@chrisward4576]

DEEEEELICIOUS🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Gavin's gonna take all of our food when he gets tossed

[@TheGardenMG]

it's environmental friendly fire

[@AlphaOmega-n7u]

As friendly as unfriendly can get.

[@terenarosa4790]

A lithium battery fire happened near me just a couple months ago. We need to get rid of these things.

[@johnfetter]

There goes all the climate change models on "go all electric hoax BS up in smoke".

[@ferenchorvath5478]

But this is what you voted for and if not get rid of the politicians that did

[@thommwilcox1658]

exactly we should stick to oil and gasoline that never catch on fire!

[@johnfetter]

@@thommwilcox1658 We can have both.

[@erocoptics5642]

This is the definition of insanity.

[@theamateurbackyardgardener543]

The green new deal!

[@Loki-rascal]

Didn't make it past high school huh?

[@gymkhanadog]

Because we've never had refinement fires or oil spills? Must be one of Trump's "poorly educated".

[@spartonv67]

@@gymkhanadog Yeah because lithium batteries and renewable recourses are being created AND supported by fossil fuels. Whole thing is just mirage of virtual signaling while the multimillionaire investors line their pockets to the bank. Nuclear is the way only if we can maintain and protect it.

[@chrisward4576]

I'd like to hear AOC's opinion on this, you know, we only have about 9 yrs. left and then we're all dead without her G.N.D. and I beIieve her

[@spartonv67]

@@chrisward4576 wtf did my comment get removed??

[@teddythomas281]

Dude said he was sorry. He looked like an alien

[@QueenAnaya-x7b]

Probably is 💯

[@adriangaliver]

No, he's not? Stop believing in those alien fairytales (and no, I'm not an alien myself)

[@brandonscottsanchez]

Yup, let’s put these batteries in every car in every city and town and home across the US. Makes sense…??

[@Loki-rascal]

Yes it does make sense, but it requires an education to have a respectable opinion. Sorry you're lacking.

[@fxsrider]

I worked on the early 787 lithium battery issue. All we did was wrap it in a steel firebox and add vent tubes with membranes inside that burst at a certain pressure to vent the heat of the fire outside of the aircraft. An insulated box to protect surrounding equipment from the heat. I'm not a battery engineer but the solution that was implemented tells me there is no practical way to extinguish that battery once it ignites. Fortunately for Boeing it seems to have stayed out of the news on that one. I have no data on battery failures after the service bulletin.

[@johnmarston2474]

Yeah, it does make sense. If you go and look at the actual stats, you'll find that gasoline powered cars are actually much less safer than electric vehicles are. You see a few videos about a battery fire and immediately want to get rid of electric vehicles, LOL.

[@fxsrider]

I will add that I have not yet seen reports of any lithium battery fire that could be safely approached and dealt with. Seems the answer is to clear the surrounding area and let it burn out. Not what I would personally suggest to be part of an aircraft.

[@littlefaith8063]

Still drinking the Kool-Aid

[@hermosafieldsforever4782]

Lithium cannot be stored. Lithium is activated by gravity. When Lithium is refined it converts to an extremely combustible exothermic state. It ignites through a process called ( ignition through compression ) As it is compressed by overstacking Lithium blocks, the gravitational pressure creates a thermolytic molecular bonding. This act of compressing Lithium excites the molecules which begin to generate Enormous heat. There's no putting this out, depending on the stockpile, conceivably it could burn for months. What an environmental tragedy for Monterey

[@bobbywinters7892]

Who would have dreamed that a WATER based fire suppression system would be unable to extinguish a lithium based fire!! This is basic chemistry.

[@charlespicard4038]

It isn't pure lithium metal, also basic chemistry.

[@tatchik77]

My thought exactly!

[@wilburhornshnoggle2619]

It's also Cali, normal thinking doesn't apply..

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

Yep, they can burn under water.. Fire Dept can't do a thing

[@rowyourboat5361]

it's Musk fault.

[@darcylund4839]

All that smoke. The epa better be on this.

[@blackrocks8413]

the epa is on it, they said to close your window and not breathe for a while....

[@zxyatiywariii8]

They're useless, they told us after 9/11 the air was safe to breathe 😑

[@littlefaith8063]

Yeap! No pollution here! Nothing to see. Move on!

[@leunam3434]

Where are the California Coastal Commission and California Air Regulatory Board? They are supposed to police environmental violations. They complain about our gasoline but are in no way to be found when the violators are good friends of the boss.

[@thommwilcox1658]

do you have a single fact to back up that statement

[@johnfetter]

@@thommwilcox1658 You know it's true huh Newsome.

[@bobbywinters7892]

Four (4) fires in almost as many years??

[@15X98]

That’s some green energy!

[@brushcreek]

Blame the buyers of EV’s who don’t think about how their vehicles are charged. Blame the folks who shut down nuclear, coal, and other base load generating plants in favor of solar and wind (which need energy storage to meet demand). And, blame the utilities, engineers, contractors, and battery manufacturers who buy or sell snake oil promises of battery safety. Li-Ion batteries ARE NOT safe.

[@recoilrob324]

Battery storage is an insane idea....just like 'carbon neutral'. They shut down half of their natural gas generation and put in the batteries.....who could have seen this coming? (answer: anyone with a brain)

[@Loki-rascal]

But you didn't make it past high school huh? Sad to hear that. It's very obvious that you are severely lacking in education on the subject.

[@kc72186]

Lots of federal money to make the transition, always Lots of money for this.

[@recoilrob324]

@@Loki-rascal I'm lacking 'indoctrination' not education my friend. Higher education does not make you more intelligent. Let me ask you a simple question that you'll no doubt be able to answer with your superior education: If CO2 was SO bad for the environment....why do we allow thousands of TONS to be injected into fizzy drinks every year to then be released into the atmosphere? Would be a very simple thing to just say....'No more CO2 in drinks'. But they won't because they KNOW it's all just a scam to TAX and CONTROL us. Right?

[@johnfetter]

@@Loki-rascal Childish Joey blue cult, victim card, dum answer.

[@rrotwang]

So is that clean smoke ?

[@AlphaOmega-n7u]

As clean and dirty can get. So much for climate scam, I mean climate change.

[@yosoyjesus8943]

Very toxic smoke 🤧🤧🤧

[@brosephbroman7564]

The pollution to make one battery is more then what a Humvee will produce in it's lifetime. That smoke is definitely not clean.

[@fb39ca4]

@@brosephbroman7564 if it's only one humvee that's a drop in the bucket and far less than the natural gas peaked plant it replaces

[@esthersdaughterlong8149]

Toxic

[@blackrhino3442]

So glad we banned plastic straws.

[@toddgardner2826]

It is not possible to make a lithium battery "safe". That is like suggesting that you can make a bomb "safe". Anything that is inherently dangerous and contains large amounts of potential energy will always contain the potential for disaster.

[@MossyMozart]

Tell Musk that!

[@wilburhornshnoggle2619]

You never saw "The Jetsons" did you.

[@johnfetter]

@@MossyMozart You use them genius blame you.

[@Willfully_Ignorant]

Oh I’m sure that black smoke is great for the environment.

[@nErfEr308]

Can't wait for a new USCSB video in a year. "The USCSB recommends lithium plants not have water based fire supression systems"

[@MichaelS-bz4pk]

No cars , no busses, no planes, no middle class.............

[@HarryJPotter]

Now imagine this... everywhere.

[@gymkhanadog]

Imagine highly fammable, combustible hydrocarbons in every car, in every city, in every state, in every home. Gallons and gallons of volatile liquid... everywhere.

[@HarryJPotter]

@@gymkhanadog ...and yet it's a battery plant we have issues with.

[@DesignRhythm]

@@gymkhanadog When was the last time an ICE car spontaneously combusted? 😂

[@gymkhanadog]

@DesignRhythm I've never had one do it, but there are lots that do.

[@anniemills2522]

Close it down and ship it to the owners state of Texas.

[@greggkupec]

Haha you jealous?

[@wilburhornshnoggle2619]

Lol, Someone is filled with envy...

[@keysautorepair6038]

Green new deal with green energy better not breathe that air pollution.

[@KarltheBarl]

I hate sarcastic fucks like you who downplay things cause muh climate change not real or whatever stupid bullshit is fed to people these days. Use your own critical thinking skills ffs. This isn’t a fucking joke.

[@MossyMozart]

What makes you say that? Leon Musk LOVES lithium batteries. And his side-kick trump hates environmentally safe energy. This is hardly green. Why did you vote for a team that refuses to allow safe renewable energy? Because the oil industrial complex was going to give your beloved a billion dollars?

[@MaiYang-k9o]

Wonder effects of the fumes??

[@felisamcdonald6116]

All the pollutants released into the air!

[@audijo6562]

Is that farmland?

[@dcalder6410]

Yes it is surrounded by farmland and wetlands that seep into the ocean. It is located right on the coast.

[@DeenaMilkers]

hydrocarbons are much more energy dense than cutting edge battery tech available today by an order of magnitude. it also seems to be safer

[@jimbot-e4m]

Tell genius Gavin Newsom…

[@johnconner8218]

LiPo is the wrong battery tech for this application.

[@Loki-rascal]

Who said there is lithium iron phosphate in these large battery banks? 99% of the time they are nickel metal cobalt.

[@imoverclocked]

@@Loki-rascalLiPo is different from LiFePo4. They haven’t stated which is in use, only “lithium batteries” which might be either one.

[@johnfetter]

@@Loki-rascal Who said you were smart?

[@baruchben-david4196]

What do they mean, "nobody predicted this?" Just about anyone who's seen lithium battery fires could have predicted this. These fires are extremely difficult to extinguish, and they produce vast amounts of severely toxic chemicals.

[@deanweaver4469]

Money is before safety 🛟

[@Loki-rascal]

This reminds me of the Tesla that was on fire on the freeway. They finally got it out and everything was mellow. So they got it up on the tow truck and the guy was about ready to drive off and then poof! It started all up again!.

[@MossyMozart]

If only "Leon" Musk knew how dangerous those batteries are! Oh, please - why will nobody tell him?? /s

[@LTCIncredibleMoments]

Why is the MC smiling so brightly? Hopefully the rescue forces will quickly control the situation and help the affected people. Let's pray together for the victims and their families to overcome this difficult time. Hope everyone in the affected area always stays safe and has timely support from the community and the government

[@Gerry-t1w]

The fourth fire since 2019? Give up and dismantle.

[@toddsculley2710]

That can’t good for the atmosphere good thing for safeguards right. Unreal !!

[@barrystclair1961]

Good Job guys . Keep The People safe. Stay informed stay alive.

[@highoctaneman2]

Will California stop spending tax dollars on more battery storage? How many more fires, how much environmental destruction will it take? Seems like a very costly learning curve.

[@Jacob..Gregory-l1x]

CEO lied outright ytoday when he stated that thare was zero chemicals measured in smoke

[@soundsoflife9549]

Strange organo-metalic compounds can cause serious long term health problems.

[@erocoptics5642]

I think this is the third or fourth plant that caught on fire in one year. As well as two or three disposal sites

[@AFM8119]

4th fire in 5 years? Maybe they are just in the testing phase. Hopefully the NFPA will 'finally' come up with some standards to help mitigate these unfortunate occurrences.

[@boluchhh]

A tesla car on fire can take hours and hundreds of thousands of gallons of water to put down the flames, a lithium battery plant is definitely a way bigger problem

[@DesignRhythm]

Strange method for saving the planet.

[@guitarlessonswith4480]

That looks healthy for the environment

[@Manskilz]

We just had a battery fire at the sdg+e yard last year. It burned for a couple of days. They had to evacuate everyone down wind for about a mile.

[@scottwwsi]

' preliminary testing found no traces of DEADLY hydrogen fluoride in the air.' how many times do they go with that line?

[@GMK189-f2k]

Yesterday the Vistra spokesperson originally said no lithium batteries were involved and no toxic smoke. Now truth is starting to come out. Huge numbers of batteries burning and so hot it’s making cement walls crumble.

[@rwtx7781]

Ask East Palestine, Ohio if you can trust companies and the EPA/government.

[@La-Phamilia]

🔋🔋🔋🔋🔋🔋🔋🔋🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 dood standing there wit no mask and saying he can smell the smoke 😂😂😂

[@davidtangen8189]

Sleeper cells

[@Lovereignsupreme]

Touchè

[@tiki_trash]

Insurance fraud is more likely.

[@KLong-t8u]

Horrible!

[@MRick-cd1kr]

All That's left is the Big One

[@denisemeletiche8816]

I’m starting to think we are being attacked all these fires ???

[@xochitlrowady4624]

This seems suspicious to me. 😮😮😮

[@randolphwilliams2365]

Or extremely incompetent rush to Green energy

[@mylezzpurhourr]

Good grief LAs crap is moving all over the state

[@walterrau3724]

....is anybody concerned about the proximity of the fire to the High Voltage Power Line??

[@yosoyjesus8943]

NOT AT ALL IT WAS A FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTAL FIRE 😂😂

[@blackrocks8413]

no, green energy and electric is super safe. It's all good.

[@spencerathearn3586]

Not the largest anymore

[@infinidominion]

"lemme just report downwind here, kinda smokey but no concern.." 🤦

[@HazelwithaZ]

Don't go breathe it in, my goodness...

[@poetmaggie1]

We all have some lithium batteries.

[@RErikWeigand]

A lithium fire cannot be put out with water. Water would feed the lithium 🔥 fire.

[@XrayMike17plus1]

But these are clean-burning fires...

[@tatchik77]

Are you supposed to put water on a lithium fire?! 😳

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

You can toss a burning lithium battery in the ocean and it will still burn

[@Shane3274]

Green New Deal, meets DEI culpability

[@rowyourboat5361]

it's Musk fault. he uses these batteries in his cars.

[@stevecurwick7712]

Why are the lenses creating rainbows? Chemical pollution from the fire affected the image?

[@felisamcdonald6116]

Smart meters

[@AJ-sf7cq]

Literally the world is on fire

[@unavailabill]

Drama queen.

[@MossyMozart]

Hardly.

[@frankstedman4554]

Instead of using batteries for power storage use a series of reservoirs to store water to provide power as it goes down then pumped uphill at night or when you have surplus power from the natural gas combine cycle power plant nearby. All this could be built in a higher elevation of course and get everything away from the ocean. The reason the original power plant was built there was the natural gas fired conventional boiler needed water for cooling. Notice no big cooling towers . Just a suggestion from a self taught engineer “I was called the hydraulic guru amon other things “

[@watchcity2068]

There HAS to be a better way. There has to be. Whatever happened to hydrogen???

[@hermenutic]

The fourth fire in six years. 😮

[@lisamasters1127]

Did it actually go out and start again,?

[@street1111]

Sorry doesn't cut it

[@streambhai9444]

Where are the fire fighters?smh

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

What do you expect the fire dept to do with a lithium ion fire???

[@RS-cw3oy]

In DEI training

[@streambhai9444]

@@winniethepoohandeeyore2 what they are paid to do

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

@@streambhai9444 Dude, they can burn under water lol. So I ask you again, what do you expect the fire dept to do??? You DO know this is a totally different thing right???

[@winniethepoohandeeyore2]

@@RS-cw3oy Yep have to make sure sure they know the they/them in identifying...

[@davidtangen8189]

They didnt care about safty on titanic safe money same thing movey first

[@xochitlrowady4624]

All that food on the ground contaminated with this. Immigrants continue to take the brunt of all disasters and hazardous clean ups in this country😢

[@sheilaoneal7726]

Thanks, musk.

[@aero3085]

Liberals….. scratching their heads😂

[@ronwade2206]

LiPo oh my

[@wegder]

It is also the site of 2 independent battery storage power stations for a combined grid battery storage of 930 MW power and 3,700 MWh energy, some of the world's largest. Fires occurred on site during construction and operation, and PG&E and Tesla took corrective actions.

[@skifree794]

that is a big fuel source to burn this long what storage protocol was not followed or was wrong?

[@CAMacKenzie]

Lithium batteries make sense for vehicles and other mobile things where weight counts, but why in a stationary plant?

[@king0cans]

Going green

[@kathleenaustin327]

This seems fishy like all the fires!!! A battery plant?!! Hmm...🤔

[@davidtangen8189]

Isent that were that plant crash befor the fires started

[@Showboat_Six]

Zero emission battery powered cars my ass!

[@willemnatangwehaipinge5199]

Huthis missile strike wowerrrr

[@JFlower7]

just another reason to NOT live in CA.

[@garnerjoyce606]

Energy Commissons

[@UltraHenry]

Yay !!! GREEN ENERGY ...

[@MossyMozart]

Lithium batteries are NOT green. Your new president refuses to allow clean energy because the oil industry wants to shove money at him. Musky doesn't care, either.

[@adamwalsh6334]

The climate is definitely changing😂

[@anitadi7351]

Biden left his city with flame and smoke.

[@Trinergy-Livewire]

The product of that smoke is not good. BTW, water is not an ideal deoxygenator. Water cracking is the fundamental principle of 1 fuel cell. Aluminum is another.

[@patmcbride9853]

Go green! You'll turn green if you breathe the toxic fumes.

[@MossyMozart]

You REALLY think those things are "green"? You are very misinformed.

[@patmcbride9853]

@@MossyMozart Why would you think that I think they are green?

[@billlittle4285]

How much pollution is that, were is EPA when you need them, were building them here in Canada,WTF,!!

[@MasudRanaofflcial]

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