Firefighters Forced To Quickly Exit Window Of Private Dwelling Fire- Valley Stream, NY

[@ericweiler6571]

I’ll never understand having technology like SCBA and not using it

[@cidbozek69]

In 15-20 years they will understand why they should have been on air!

[@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361]

Too many repeat screenings of Backdraft.

[@davidraya8760]

Well said!! Smh

[@RLTtizME]

@@cidbozek69So what happened to you?

[@davidfore4015]

Why in the world was venting the roof NOT an early move!? Heavy smoke in gable ends, brothers on the upper floor.... it's a wonder they didn't have serious injuries! Also agree with TheSaltyLima, where is air discipline? Members walking into moderate to heavy smoke bare faced.

[@ffjsb]

Meh, if you're salty, you can't get cancer or emphysema... //sarcasm off//

[@davidfore4015]

@@ffjsb yeah, they do smoke salmon to preserve it......

[@jimLeonard-t5l]

Firefighters are their worst own enemy Put on the air mask you fools

[@FloridaCatholicGuy]

Fire was venting through the windows. There was no need to vent the roof. FDNY hardly ever goes up in pitched roofs anymore. They do most of their venting by breaking windows…and by breaking windows, I mean they break all the windows whether they need to or not 😂

[@ffjsb]

@@davidfore4015 Not with asphalt shingles...

[@thesaltysierra5202]

I hate to be that guy, I know Firefighters in New York are a different breed, but it's a legitimate concern they aren't on air. Most the time it was still burning, My Chief would have me swapping bottles on calls for like a month if I did that. Great video brother.

[@aflaz171]

Yeah totally!

[@ffjsb]

Cancer gives no shits about who you are...

[@mikesheets4332]

Not to be mean but if there a different breed, there a stupid breed, if there so great they don’t need air then why carry the tank But hey I’m just a common sense kinda guy

[@dougc.3497]

I agree....wear your mask! I have been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer after a 38 year fire service career. I have never smoked. When I started on the job, we didn't wear our scba most of the time. You do not want to go through what I or my family are going through now. Wear the F***ING mask.

[@timothywarren7712]

*a stupid breed

[@Station1b]

1.5 story homes with smoke upstairs. It's in the knee walls boys. Gotta gotta hook that drywall and expose the seat of the fire with a charged line.

[@firefighterpk2440]

BOOM!!!! Get it from inside from flat floors instead of working on a steep ( in this case) roof pitch.

[@ESSAYONS21B]

As the smoke and fire escalated I read the smoke. A lot of potential for a flashover. At one point a small backdraft happened. When one Firefighter was on the roof with a pike pole and began ventilation… He was not wearing an SCBA mask. Even during overhaul I didn’t see any masks in use.

[@SpacklerTurf]

Why would you need scba when your outside on the ladder! I love all you safety guys.....like you'd be wearing it yourself lol

[@ESSAYONS21B]

@@SpacklerTurf my department requires it! The NFPA does as well! Where there is smoke there is carbon monoxide. Simple logic… Maybe you should become a Firefighter.

[@GiantGourd]

@@SpacklerTurf Just because you're outside does not mean the smoke is no longer dangerous. You're still breathing in all those cancerous carcinogens that give most the guys in this career lifetime health issues.

[@SpacklerTurf]

@@GiantGourd with a name like snuffy you must be a pro my apologies.

[@LtNomad304]

I guessing these guys all have an unusually high amount of lung cancer at their stations... if only there was something that could protect them...

[@jordanmaynard5785]

And to add to it the ff at the end of the video, smoking a cigarette 🤔👨‍🚒+💨=💀

[@thesaltysierra5202]

I wonder if there's an entire NFPA class in the academy you learn about cancer prevention...

[@BattleBorn702]

So many lessons to be learned from this video. I'm baffled on why they worked this fire they way they did. I'm obviously not there so I don't know the reasons why they didn't vent, don scba's etc. Every dept has diff protocols

[@mandyomally4896]

Rookies for sure !

[@jaywheeler8207]

I was thinking the same thing! I was like what’s taking so long for the truck company to vent this roof so they might have a small chance of the house not being a complete loss.

[@Steve-cu1ye]

Look at all those firefighter not wearing scba mask going into building the chief should be fired

[@jimLeonard-t5l]

Yepper There are a lot of macho jerks pretending to firefighters And then they die at the fire scene and the rest of the idiots call them heroes and have a parade when they should have been given the Darwin Award The bewildered herd is well represented in the fire service Wake the hell up!

[@chrismckenna5361]

That guy sticking up through the roof better not expect the tax payers to pay his cancer treatments

[@dougc.3497]

I agree....wear your mask! I have been diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer after a 38 year fire service career. I have never smoked. When I started on the job, we didn't wear our scba most of the time. You do not want to go through what I or my family are going through now. Wear the F***ING mask.

[@RLTtizME]

Your brain is broke. We’re not paying for that either.

[@FFPM371]

Great use of air packs, eh?

[@jukodebu]

how do you know he's got cancer?

[@msween8182]

Not wearing the mask is 1 thing. It letting the face piece get caught up in all that crap is another.

[@metalmorphosis]

Not being on air is a cowboy move and it'll cost you later. Claims Investigator would have a heyday with this

[@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361]

These dickheads use Backdraft as a training film.

[@m2hmghb]

If I was on one of the departments working that fire I'd quit. The chiefs clearly don't care about your health.

[@aflaz171]

5:24 I am like, what, they've brought in a helicopter? 😂

[@codyking4848]

I thought the same thing lol, I was like dang, that's a REALLY quiet helicopter!

[@jenbrixton6834]

😂😂😂 I thought the same to.

[@irishdrums4753]

Boys…where is the water?…also…those 35lb backpacks…use em…it’s 2023, and no longer an acceptable risk to skip the SCBA…

[@SpacklerTurf]

Everybody decides their own acceptable risk.....cool opinion but that's your own...

[@fatdaddio3796]

Put that dumb aerial ladder away and put ground ladders up all over the place. Inexperience truck drivers get so focused on the aerial, and forget all about ground ladders.

[@itrack4u]

Exciting. Thanks for filming.

[@theshadow4292]

It has occurred to me after watching at least 100 or more of these videos showing VFDs at working fires, that the new trend for VFDs is to purchase the most expensive Areial Truck /Water Tower to add to the 1 Pumper Engine the department has in usable condition. Albeit, operating instructions do not come with the purchase of Fire apparatus, inasmuch, as manufacturers rightly expect that any government entity willing to spend $1,000,000.00 or more on a single piece of fire equipment (the average cost of a Ladder Areial Truck) must know how it is supposed to be used. Unfortunately, VFDs buy their equipment for showing to the public at the shed where it is stored and in the yearly Christmas parade only. Its a personal pride and status thing, not an actual piece of Fire apparatus. This fire where 2 Towers are present, but neither are being used to assist the assigned Fire Crews to the roof where they are needed to perform ventilation techniques nor to allow Firefighters with handlines a quick way into the attic portion of the dwelling where the fire is located. A scenario which fully demonstrates that the FD Leadership has no knowledge whatsoever as to how specific fire apparatus are designed to be used.

[@JS-zb1vv]

True most aren’t used or used correctly. They are mostly there for ISO credit . Saving taxpayers money on homeowners insurance. It’s not their fault they don’t get qualified or quality training sometimes.

[@406fish1]

I agree alot, however, this is only an East Coast Trend, and you can find it in a lot of East Coast Career Departments as well.

[@JS-zb1vv]

@@406fish1 na plenty on the west coast do the same. I think it’s more of the departments that don’t get much fire .

[@406fish1]

@@JS-zb1vv Well atleast up here in Montana and it’s surrounding States I’ve not seen something like this yet, but I’m sure there are some in the lower half.

[@JS-zb1vv]

@@406fish1 does Montana even have ladders lol

[@AllenPortman]

Great video coverage!!!

[@9caplad]

I can't believe they didn't get that 4th ladder up.

[@ewhit419]

There are a lot of 'teachable' moments in this video. Hopefully the chiefs and officers will go over them rigorously with their crews. That being said, any number of officers and chiefs would do well to re-evaluate their own actions on this incident.

[@azschalter]

10:17 what is gramps doing there in his shorts on scene? Looks a bit lost.

[@jamjardj1974]

I’ve alway wondered how the hell U.S. fire departments keep track of who is where on a fireground and more importantly who is inside or outside of a property or other building!

[@RLTtizME]

Yet they do.

[@terrylugo2474]

Accountability tags

[@jamjardj1974]

@@terrylugo2474 Where? Never seen so much as a clipboard being used, firefighters just walk in and out of property all the time.

[@ESSAYONS21B]

The accountability tags are on a D ring on the rear of the helmet. Whoever has IC has a system in place for this purpose. When I first got to go interior I gave my tag to my Captain as he had IC. Got my assignment and worked the fire.

[@jamjardj1974]

@@ESSAYONS21B Thankyou for the explanation.

[@Bjohan75]

So... One man climbs the ladder with roof hook and attack the roof. No water... On the ground six other men just watching that guy. No water. Not even any hose in their hands. Why not?

[@RLTtizME]

Don’t be so bossy.

[@Bjohan75]

@@RLTtizME i wasnt! But i want to know

[@RLTtizME]

@@Bjohan75 You FF's eat your own. You disrespect each other on these videos...viciously and without constraint. Everyone could have done it better. Everyone is an expert. It really is quite remarkable. You don't see this in most other professions. Could you imagine Surgeons doing this? You people need to self reflect. Good luck.

[@mrfingerlakes8735]

Excellent video and I applaud all the hard work the firefighters did to put out that fire

[@paulbentley2338]

Not sure what video you was watching?

[@wtfd95]

Don’t see a lot of hand lines being used! Less venting and just put the fire out guys! Also, that’s a ground ladder fire NOT a tower ladder! Lack of SCBA’s is a bad leadership problem. Read the smoke guys, you were in the middle of a flashover, thank God you got out safe.

[@danielpempel7746]

The video opens with a line clearly in the front door and a 2nd line charged out front. The video shows water being put on the fire.

[@jamessimmonds3773]

2 Truck companies on location and no roof vent. Are you kidding me.

[@9caplad]

4

[@timothyglaserr8791]

Agree I was going to comment the same vent the roof get the heat out go in and knock it hard !!!!! Done!

[@azul8811]

On a tiny Cape Cod?

[@beanvillen24]

I live in a small town and was on a paid on call department, watching this is like a train wreck, it was almost unbelievable, did they all just start and not go through fire school, Jesus, god bless them they are my brothers but holy shit! They would of been better off surrounding and drowning that fire!

[@m2hmghb]

I don't think their chiefs care.

[@mikeggg1979]

Man hope them boys are ok. See paid FF’s guys who do it for free are risking it all for Free. To the arm chair qb’s here the FDNY over hauls without SCBA on as well it’s their choice.

[@jays106]

those ground ladders need to be extended to the window frame itself not just the side of the building it almost fell over as the firefighter was trying to get on it!and what good is the scba if there not going to use it?! they must all want an early retirement/death from cancer

[@Olliethelabradane]

They had lots of people standing around and not putting water on the fire.

[@mikeggg1979]

Unfortunately that’s Long Island fires. Everyone wants to be there but usually you’ll have a 100 guys standing around

[@johnberegi6511]

No hose lines putting water inside, no roof vent early on and again no water, poor ladder placement, no one heeling ladders, and man on ladder with pike pole is not wearing scba mask! Very poor form.

[@tomvana4270]

Nice job. Saved the foundation.

[@RLTtizME]

That was clever 80 years ago.

[@tomvana4270]

@@RLTtizME So were you angry little girl.

[@RLTtizME]

@@tomvana4270 A highly inappropriate response. So FF's are pervs you say?

[@dongelinas5990]

Venti ng the roof would of helped those firefighters that came out of the window

[@LCERRP]

Most depts in this area do not vent peaked roofs

[@erickaegi629]

@@LCERRP why?

[@JB91710]

So would water. You don't go anywhere in a structure without water. Common Sense and Logic!

[@JB91710]

@@erickaegi629 Besides the Fact that Vertical Ventilation doesn't work as imagined, you can horizontally vent the windows quicker and safer.

[@barry2130]

@@erickaegi629 risk vs. reward. operating on peaked roof is never ideal, especially in cape cod houses on Long Island. Too steep a pitch. By the time you get up there, haul up a roof ladder to the peak and start operating, you can have an effective horizontal vent and get the knee walls open in the interior.

[@stanyoung476]

As a UK fire officer I feel so sorry for your VD. Lack of training and on scene leadership.

[@andyoxleyonhistravels]

Absolutely. Terrible to watch.

[@moemcgovern7345]

Some of our Firefighters are volunteers. They don't get paid for what they do. Do you have volunteers in the UK?

[@andyoxleyonhistravels]

@Moe McGovern There are a handful of small volunteer stations within large departments which are very rural but they do get training and equipment which is funded by the department they are within. Paid or not you should be getting training and sadly these people are poor but more worrying seem to be oblivious to some of the basic dangers and things they are failing to do.

[@Steve-tj9on]

​@@moemcgovern7345 have you seen some of those brits fight fire😅😂...not all some good, some mediocre, some very very bad. Probably the bad ones mouthing off on here .

[@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361]

​​​@@Steve-tj9onYou'd be a yank vol, wouldn't you? Too busy parading around out the front in ridiculous leather helmets and your coats undone. Tell me: if the UK brigades are so bad, why don't they lose as many as what you dickheads do every year??

[@mburgosify]

Brothers please evaluate this video, many areas to learn from. Train, train, train. Be safe and, God bless.

[@victorpedrodasilva6077]

they work hard but ferry foolisch

[@markweaver1932]

It's good to see a RIT team in place,

[@ffjsb]

It would've been better to see SCBA masks in place...

[@Krixbau]

No need for R.I.T when everyone is outside because they forget to vent the roof🫢

[@rosesmith6208]

I would think that breathing in smoke like that is a bad idea, no?

[@jmWhyMe]

You all have said it all!

[@patbarlen2764]

Great filming. What a shame for the family.

[@holger_7916]

4:45 However, Mr. Feltkamp already knows that a breathing mask is only effective if he wears the breathing mask on his face. The breathing mask is useless when worn on a belt. Mr. Mangual bei 2:15 too. Nothing that is in the smoke is healthy in any way. There are also too many other emergency personnel standing too close to the building without breathing masks. The colleague (7:10) without a breathing mask also has a death wish. Later, a lawsuit is filed because the liver and lungs are eaten away by cancer.

[@marynoa965]

Oh my wat is not happening

[@Snabbaste87]

Spot on brother. The American fire fighters are a joke.

[@jessnunez7556]

dang the panic on the two FFs getting out of the 2nd floor 2:49

[@firemarshal17]

Apparently they have never been trained in ventilation or how to wear a mask. Pitiful!

[@jamesgibbons6292]

06:01 Love the black bra flying out the window.

[@southwestohioemergencyvideos]

Awesome video dude

[@SoFNuTT]

Every one getting some practical ventilation training on this scene. Totally defeating themselves and their own guys in the process, but great confidence building for smashing windows.

[@BrokenWrenches]

yea, that was confusing to watch. command has some work to do. no PPE with random guys 2 feet away from the fire and smoke. guys coming in and out of windows and nobody taking command of the situation…. they did get the fire out though. they got that part right at least. teachable moment.

[@wbwilliam4034]

Why do they cut hole to make fire flame I see it cuts smoke but allowed fire to get intense

[@jimdee6698]

Why no water from the tower ladder?

[@danielpempel7746]

Because the fire was out out with hoselines. Flowing water from a tower ladder means that you've given up and are trying to save the house next door.

[@Pablo-qz4hf]

Ist das eine Abrissfirma oder Feuerwehrmänner/Frauen? Das geht gar nicht, in Deutschland versucht man den Schaden so gering wie möglich zu halten. Bei dem Einsatz scheint es als wäre die Devise hau alles kurz und klein und dann löschen wir vielleicht das Feuer.

[@barbaramaxwell7641]

There are 5 firemen working and 20 standing around.

[@46fd04]

We're taught to bail out head first and come down the ladder on your belly

[@danielpempel7746]

They are, too. Except that wasn't a bailout.

[@46fd04]

​@@danielpempel7746 They looked hot. Shoulda been a bail out

[@danielpempel7746]

Neither one of us was there. We are both going off of a short clip of 2 guys in a short video of a fire that lasted a couple of hours. I'm just going off the title of the video (exited quickly vs bailed out), the fact that they didn't seem to be in that much of a hurry, and the lack of a big ball of flame following them out.

[@dogma39-c4j]

In 10 years these guys will be on gofundme begging for donations for their cancer treatment

[@jacobkeppler1984]

Nice work guys keep it up

[@larrylarue3997]

Wow they caused more damage than the fire did

[@Sniff34]

the amount of smoke damage alone caused more damage than the mediocre comment yo wrote.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

@@Sniff34 Damn, what a BURN (pun definitely intended).

[@moemcgovern7345]

I'm glad these fathers are here to celebrate Father's Day with their families.

[@TitaniumTurbine]

Maybe it’s just me, but if I did this job I would opt not to be a father. Too much danger involved for me to potentially leave my kid(s) without a dad, especially if this is a VFD like other commenters have said.

[@chrismckenna5361]

If they put their masks on they would live longer

[@nicholaslovitt5370]

Am I the only one who sees that one firefighter just throwing shit out of the windows? Where im from you knock the fire then worry about personal items

[@vinnyb.1314]

The fire was in the knee walls. People use the area behind the knee walls for storage. All that shit behind the knee walls has to go somewhere to get to the seat of the fire.

[@hpd704]

Why isn't Feltkamp wearin his mask on the ladder?

[@robertgildea2841]

I am watching from Elmira NY good job firefighters I pray to the Lord Jesus for your protection everyday. I respect what you do

[@Snabbaste87]

Good job? Did you wach the video!!?

[@Infamoustwin213]

@@Snabbaste87 I don’t think the person who commented has any idea how to fight fires properly. All he sees is people who are doing “work” but doesn’t understand that the “work” they are doing is a complete shit show

[@Snabbaste87]

@@Infamoustwin213 hahaha! Amen brother! ,🤓🤪

[@georgecoons6872]

If you have foam in them engines. Use it. Do not let sit there and age like whiskey.

[@ek6063]

Have these guys ever heard of vertical ventilation?

[@traceystock7352]

I wish fire departments would publish details about the cause of house fires like this. It's my worst nightmare. Well one of my worst.

[@mikekolczynski5665]

The government publishes the data.

[@traceystock7352]

@@mikekolczynski5665 They jut say "electrical." Or other such general descriptions. Not helpful. Used to provide more detail like when EVs were newer, the charging problems or Lithium Ion batteries in toys and tools -- now they just say "electrical" or "battery charging improperly."

[@mikekolczynski5665]

@Tracey Stock look into the US fire administration.

[@mikekolczynski5665]

@Tracey Stock also look at NIST fire research. Look at CPSC consumer products safety commission.

[@mikekolczynski5665]

@@traceystock7352 ATF also has a fire research laboratory.

[@Steve-cu1ye]

This how not to fight a fire

[@myk147]

Your gonna be that close to live fire on a rooftop with the ladder…with no mask on…then wonder why you get cancer before 50….

[@Gruntm203]

Nice work men……be safe out there!

[@dalewiley1756]

With fire ground behavior like that, I imagine your injury rate it pretty high. The hell with the safety officer, just let everybody walk the scene. Best get some real training before something really bad happens.

[@peter4266]

This is Long Island firefighting. They all need more training..

[@nighthawk784]

No words.

[@DoahnKea_Tuber]

This is a Perfect How NOT to video!

[@michaellangdon5463]

If they had to exit the house, why didn't they exit head first down the ladder?

[@danielpempel7746]

Obviously, they felt they had the time to go out feet first. It doesn't look like a true 'bailout' to me, rather them deciding to get out before it got that bad.

[@dtangsss]

Did the guy at the end rip a dart ?? 😂

[@drnickriviera2841]

As a firefighter in ireland myself..why are they not using there BA in the moments you need to we are getting big on the cancer aspect of firefighting here and health and safety..

[@NeilM01989]

Liked and shared

[@paulbentley2338]

"Forced quickly" I have never seen a US fire fighter move quickly 😆. Yet again, loads of fire fighters (if you can call them that), standing around doing nothing. Now you have made a nice big hole in the roof, try using some of the stuff they call WATER! It really work you know!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@firefighterpk2440]

So what did i miss, no pressurized smoke, so no flashover or backdraft..............why did they bail out so early? Even if they were the primary search team that went in without a line, should have been able to get back downstairs and grab it, and get back to work on the fire.

[@Dana.1]

Excellent video work. Not going to comment on anything else. It's been said already. 🤦‍♀️

[@blabla-nq5nk]

wow amazing bad training those guys had, i hope they all have a good health insurance cause they will need it sooner or later.....little advise...if you have a BA use it...fresh air does really help when working in side building with smoke...i am happy to no be a member of a US fire deparment but i would love to train them as there are a looooot of things which are wrong on in those 10 min vid

[@georgecoons6872]

If you have foam dont just let it sit in the tank and age like whiskey. Use it.

[@ffjsb]

Most fire departments DON'T even have foam. Foam isn't the problem here, lack of leadership and training is.

[@georgecoons6872]

@@ffjsb holy vey.

[@georgecoons6872]

@@ffjsb themajestrium1 youtube. all new york city fires. filmming host J.J.

[@WhiteNoise493]

Foam ain't cheap. Water is. Save the expensive ass foam for a flammable liquid fire.

[@georgecoons6872]

DAWN SOAP DEGTERGENT WORKS JUST FINE ALL ALL FIRES ECCEPT METALS BUT PUMP ENOUGH DAWN THROUGH A MIXING ADDAPTOR IT WILL GO OUT . WERE THE OATMEN FIRE DEPARTMENT HILLBILLYS VOLLUNTEERS.

[@richardfissel3317]

Why isn't anyone opening up the ROOF

[@Mattia-h1e]

Wow glad everyone is safe .. électricien mistake is the cause .. and all your investment go to flame I hope the insurance will pay ..

[@Hurst6969]

Feltkamp must be the new guy Scary to think he's being trained NOT to wear his SCBA Given the number of FFs not wearing SCBA it's obviously a culture situation

[@robertgreer5229]

I thought NY has some of the stringent firefighting training in the country guess not. Might as well just surround and drown it and call it a lost. Weird… well good no body got hurt. They look professional but the out come showed different. 🥺

[@mer2705]

This never would have happened to John Gage and Roy DeSoto

[@SpacklerTurf]

Damn i love all the armchair firefighters.... keep the critiques coming its keeping me awake at work

[@user-rh9mh5kh3p]

You’re a jackass

[@ThatFireguy965]

I get the smoke wasn’t that bad but they should have been been on air!

[@M203-c5d]

o wait, cant use my scba cause i have a full beard. come on

[@th3firetruckk1d]

the guy not wearing a scba and vaping has iron lungs

[@MORONGOBOBO]

I can’t imagine why the cancer rate among firefighters is so high 🙄

[@fireykev]

God help us all if they should ever attend a large building fire

[@michaelwales266]

watching on film i needed a scba.

[@MooseP148]

3 aerials for such s small dwelling

[@patrick9440]

3 aerial trucks for cape ,embarrassingly poor truck work.

[@PraiseJesusOurKing]

Brave heroes!! God bless you guys and thank you.

[@smerrill9426]

3 trucks on a house that size 🤷‍♂️

[@revert2625]

Read the smoke guys!

[@hvfd5956]

Sorry Valley Stream guys. Two captains not wearing their masks. Doesn't do any good to carry all that extra weight if you aren't going to use it. Should be docked a weeks pay.. I can sort of understand the one guy emptying the dresser - that way they have at least some clothes. What was the deal with shoving the heater out the roof? Can't be re-used. It's heavy and this guy is too macho to wear a mask. It doesn't mater how many years you have been doing it, you should be on air. Yes I know, some of you "old" guys (and yes now I'm one too) breathe smoke better than air. The guys I used to work with in Houston would go in, put the fire out, then come outside for "rehab", so they could smoke one. Never made sense to me. But then I had given up smoking 4 years earlier when I started high school. I saw lots of fire in my day and even had an arsonist back me up on a line once.

[@chrischi783]

Say hello to the firecancer.

[@406fish1]

Very uncoordinated and unprofessional attack from this video. Lack of experience shows evidently. And the number of guys not wearing their SCBAs is also evident. When they get Lung Cancer it better not be coming out of Tax Payers Money. These departments should really reconsider themselves. I also feel bad for the homeowners for having such an irresponsible Fire District. It's very sad that the Fire Services in New York have turned into that. So ignorant, SMH.

[@micheltherrien3201]

Did they ran out of water

[@tylermorrow2846]

Why have the equipment if you dont use it..... i see this all the time put your damn masks on. If you have the pack on put the mask on.. red helmets also lead by example