Firefighters get caught in flashover attacking apartment fire in Northampton, PA.

[@ericweiler6571]

Those cops and firefighters ran to the guy who jumped out of a 2 story window. I'm usually not for police getting involved in the fire when the fire dept is there, but this was pure instinct. They saw someone who could be in serious trouble and they reacted. They were jumping over that fence like it wasn't there and not once even thought about the dangers they could face. That is a definition of a hero in my book. Great cooperation between first responders. Love it. Keep up the good work fellas

[@johnreiman297]

Luckily that man saved himself as this department performed horribly.

[@matttwomey8554]

Being a firefighter myself I would not trust that engineer. Train.Train. And train. If you don't know how to run the pump step down your risking lives. Too many people just want the department t-shirts. Sorry to be so blunt but firefighters and civilians could have lost their lives. If you can't pump from the tank while waiting for a hydrant get out of the way. Again I'm sorry, but brothers and sisters could have been killed.

[@hollzie7348]

Exactly!!! And I can't believe they didn't even help that guy out of the window but instead just watched him basically fall out of a 2 story window 😲

[@ofcv1238]

@@hollzie7348 camera & oblivious bystanders see more in retrospect. You don’t know staffing nor people drawn away with water pumping problem…flashover didn’t help shifted focus. It was not pretty

[@wilsjane]

@@matttwomey8554 That is why I can never understand why high pressure pre-primed hose reels are not fitted to so many trucks in the US. They can get water on the fire within 30 seconds, with no kinking problems and one man every 10 feet. They have saved many lives during rescue, particularly in vehicle fires when people are trapped. The truck can also be moved easily if things start to get worse. Here in the UK, larger line are only needed in about 5% of fire calls.

[@emmanuelmendonca3922]

@@matttwomey8554 Was the engineer to blame for the crew advancing into the structure with so much folded up uncharged hose line...the door being held open with no water supply?

[@jvandyke8079]

There are those of us who ARE properly trained and continue to train on a daily and weekly basis... When these videos come along, we do comment on them, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. The object is constructive criticism... NOT just to bash a department because we can... If those of us who truly know send in a comment, it is NOT because we are assholes, but because we care about saving lives... Both the lives of civilians and those of our brother and sister firefighters!

[@Derekva40]

You can say that all you want.. but this is sad. This is what happens when people do this job as a hobby! I get things happen.. but if they were properly trained, the would have had a ladder to that window where the victim was.. they would have had a charged hoseline to prevent the see actual flashover ( not the rollover that happened first) and they wouldnt have gotten melted in the doorway. Sorry but sometimes you have to be honest and say things that might hurt someones feelings. A lot of people including the trapped victim could have been killed

[@______-id5ud]

@@Derekva40 you can never train enough for a job that will kill you. fire does not give two shits if you are a "hobbyist" as you called it or a career firefighter. you still have to train. was there a breakdown from the beginning? from what i saw i think there was. however, NONE OF US WERE THERE NOR DO WE HAVE ALL THE DETAILS*! stop being a monday morning armchair paper fireman and get training! *Details: initial manpower? size up? knowledge of building? secondary entry point? trained guys ready to work? this list can go on for days. don't

[@lockheedload]

@@Derekva40 That's a big knock on volunteers. There are shitty vol companies. There are not so good career companies too. Everything these guys did wrong are easily visible to myself as a volunteer because I received the correct training. I'm not as proficient as career guys, but that doesn't mean the training isn't as good.

[@theunstopablehunter]

Derek Scalese you know hobbyist/ volunteers fire fighter train as hard as career

[@Derekva40]

I'm not Monday morning qb'ing anything snd just bc I said "hobby" you all automatically ASS ume I'm referring to them being volunteers when in fact I was talking about people who sign up for this job for the lights and siren and glory of the position. without realizing and doing the training it takes to keep up the skills and proficiency to DO this job. Ive been in this JOB for 25 years and have seen many things go wrong.. BUT when there is a victim a fire that's about to flashover .. it should be muscle memory for ALL THAT JUMP OFF THAT TRUCK TO PERFORM (career or volunteer) what's I saw was pathetic and people almost got seriously hurt or killed. Dont want people to hear the truth Dont post it on you tube.

[@CSAFD]

Good rule of thumb next time charge the line BEFORE going up the stairs.....

[@Pastor_RogerSherwood]

Should be a no- brainer but I know I used to advance a dry line before I got caught in the same type of situation. Let’s learn from them and not criticize these guys. Stay safe!!

[@and526625]

Funny thing is i aint a fire fighter and agree with you guys. Not rocket science

[@tradizione100]

First rule is it! Never go inside whitout water.

[@Me-gt7oy]

If you have a competent wagon driver, there is no problem advancing a uncharged hose line inside. Been doing it for decades.

[@Kegz10]

Yes, you want a charged line but why do extra work? Wait till your at the top of the stairs, then charge the line

[@carlr9869]

I would like to say thanks to all the first responders for all you do for us, thank you.

[@sahmuleadams5270]

Make sure your engineer is ready as you take a dry line

[@chrisenglert3958]

Its easier to navigate stairs and corners with a dry line and then charge the line once you arrive at the fire itself. Many departments use this method and find it to increase response time to get water on the fire.

[@davestark5560]

Guys, what the hell are you doing attacking a fire without a charged hose line ???. Stacking 5 of you at the top of a staircase. You guys got very lucky.

[@Derekva40]

my point exactly

[@firebuff2787]

because they are untrained volunteer scabs

[@firebuff2787]

@ronald nolan wouldnt waste my time with vollies

[@Schulzffw]

@@firebuff2787 I'm a volunteer myself, like 96% of German forces, you arrogant prick. And you couldn't teach us anything new. Arroganter Armleuchter

[@Schulzffw]

@ronald nolan firebuff27, propablly shat himself, the first time he saw real fire.

[@skymedic48]

Can't say there wasn't warning signs. That line should have been charged early, and for God's sake please learn door control. Perfect flow path example right there.

[@garyscandle]

Very good point ✌️

[@bencunningham6298]

Guys were inside searching, it's a good thing the door was open or they would have had a delayed egress.

[@evandavis7972]

@@bencunningham6298 faster hose line deployment could have fixed some issues.

[@ajsbrushworksllc8348]

@@bencunningham6298 no actually, that is exactly why you want the door closed. Flow path matters. With that door open and guys inside, the fire is coming to where they are. Watch the NIST videos, fire eats and breathes. Those guys could have burned up due to no door control.

[@jasonwolfe6266]

No door control, premature entry, stacked on the stairs, not finding out if victims inside. I would've taken the line up the stairs empty controlled the door to sufficient water was in place then pushed in

[@laurachapin204]

3:10 My heart dropped when I saw that man fall.

[@CryseTech]

Hell yeah! mine too

[@patricktapia5525]

Why would you be within 20 feet of an involved room without a charged line? God was with you guys that day. Glad everyone is ok

[@luiswicho5301]

Indeed

[@juancena930]

I Don't Know why They Pushed This with a dry line specifically. I've Seen Great videos of Dry entry's, But THIS.. Is not that

[@ffnelson782fmfd4]

My thoughts exactly!!

[@chromosomecommander7118]

@@juancena930it was a stairwell so they were probably trying to get it set up as good as possible so they can make a push, i seen they was trying fimblefuck it over the rail so that may be why

[@Coldwarrior7781]

Yup. It was clearly a very hot room. Kinda inevitable.

[@roydelta1]

I was always taught, prove your water supply before entering the building. Never enter a fire compartment without water. That situation could have been very nasty for the firefighters 😔

[@aportman58]

Anytime you have a heavily confined charged structure fire as this one was indicating you should NEVER NEVER open a door and provide a flow-path without a line first being charged! I hate to monday morning QB, but there were too many NO NO indicators on this fire that could have exacerbated rapid sprewad and extebsion of fire which almost took the lifre of the occupant! Hope the occupant recovered okay ???

[@wesrobinson7366]

Yes we are not allowed to be at that door with a charged line. Second they stairs are way too crowed. We do teams of two spread apart.

[@braddicus96]

Great teaching moment right there. Inside the fire room with thick black smoke, no water and a bunch of guys standing in the way of your exit. You can hear him scream when it lights off, which is no small feat when wearing SCBA

[@Mtb-cp6gz]

Why on earth are they going in dry??? That water is their lifeline. This was avoidable had they charged that line quicker.

[@stitchontheambo3360]

Here's a pearl nobody else seems to have commented on yet. Never congregate on the stairs. Consider them for going up or coming down only. We saw the reason here: interior company needed to retreat but couldn't because of a logjam on the stairs. Also a good idea on EMS calls in case a patient pulls a gun or something.

[@retiredarthritic2083]

The only error I could see was the firefighters failed to use proper door control and allowed fresh air to get to the seat of the fire before they were ready to enter. I think the lesson was learned the hard way. Just happy to note that no one was seriously injured as a result. Former volunteer Beaverlodge Ab Canada.

[@stuby2014]

Really! That's the only "error" that you could see? Probably explains the word former.

[@br9851]

I agree Vince that's why he former

[@tuffywarner586]

I'm a former fire fighter for Fairfax Co. in Va. I learned that once the hose had cleared the hose bed, and the nozzle man was at the door usually scottin up, I charged the line. The water pressure itself would help unkink the line. Here pump operator took to long.

[@bobfisher7532]

Thanks!

[@LiamPattisonPhotography]

Any idea why it took so long to get those lines charged? Dangerous situation... especially with victims trapped.

[@grabasandwich]

I thought your name looked familiar. Seeing flashovers remind me of those two FF's who died here in Wpg a while ago. RIP

[@LiamPattisonPhotography]

@@grabasandwich Yeah that was an absolute tragedy. Lots of Winnipeg Firefighters are still struggling with that call from what I've heard.

[@roydelta1]

Blaina, South Wales UK, 2 firefighters died in similar circumstances 😔

[@calebwilbur4555]

Sounded like the pump operator was saying he wanst getting a prime. Unless I'm mistaken.

[@gregandersen4084]

@Farmboy That’s not the testers’ fault or responsibility. That’s on your entire department. Hard lesson learned.

[@Mustang6971]

Definitely a good training moment for these firefighters and other departments they are lucky that they were ok, also at 3:10 when that guy hopped out of the window and just got up and walked away he was more lucky then the firefighter who got caught in the flashover.

[@rd4660]

What did we learn this morning kids? Don't go busting into a burning house without your line charged!

[@lockheedload]

@@NotCupcakes You're correct about truck crews going in with only hand tools to perform a primary search. Those guys also have an engine company or two right behind them to start making the attack. VES has and always will make closing the door an extremely high priority. These guys were not making a primary search. They were getting ready to perform an interior attack and not only opened the door without water, but left the damn door open. That's amateur hour stuff.

[@TonyAlessi6611]

@@NotCupcakesBefore a truck company enters a fire bldg. they would vent and read the signs of fire. This statement comes from a 34 year vet who started as a trukkie, went through the ranks after passing state civil service exams and retiring as a deputy Chief.

[@bencunningham6298]

@@lockheedload The first two through the door ahead of the line were going in for a primary search. The line was right behind them with 3 other guys. Had it been charged in a timely manner this would have been a bread and butter fire.

[@michaeloshea3090]

@@TonyAlessi6611 No venting without a charged line, radio commission is a huge part to fighting a fire between engine and truck companies.

[@michaeloshea3090]

Never vent without a charged line! Retired NYC Firefighter.

[@MichaelMcMahon1969]

1. Entering the building with a dry line, period. 2. Five personnel inside the structure’s door, with a dry line. 3. An officer was one of the five, inside the structure, with a dry line. 4. No sense of urgency, in either getting water or getting the hell out, when it was obvious that it was about to flash! Luck was with you this time! Please don’t push it

[@bryanphillips6666]

It's a rental, no one cares about the tenants.

[@raycolon477]

Why go in to that without a charged line?

[@Andy-je3el]

Tim Kesting doesn’t matter. You don’t go in without a charged line. What the fuck are you going to do when you’re getting cooked yourself.

[@Chris-sac]

@@Andy-je3el that’s not always true. Sometimes you have no choice unless it means a total disregard for a savable human life. This case yes you are right in the way they made entry. They should have preformed VEIS.

[@shanem6869]

Opening the door before they had a charged line...

[@shanestamball1886]

thats a mistake they wont be making again anytime soon, until you experiance that situation and get a new sense of helpless fear. i learned my lesson never let go of the door knob

[@lockheedload]

All that dark black smoke... And they gave it all the air it needed. Spot on. Wonder what the delay was getting that line charged. There's more than one apparatus on scene. Someone could have pulled a preconnect from another truck while they were working the initial supply issue. Hope they learn from it and glad they didn't get hurt.

[@JakeW26]

Some sort of delay on water. Still kinda jumped the gun a little tho. At least no serious injuries occurred from it.

[@FloozieOne]

There wasn't just one flashover there were two. The second at 2:38 happens in less than one second. 2:37 just heavy black smoke, 2:38 full flames. The man they put on the stretcher had some huge bleeding gashes on him; one on his forearm and one across his neck. I don't know if he was a FF or a resident but those could only come from either being hit with big flying glass from the explosion or being pulled out through a broken window. A very scary scene all around.

[@jeffreinhard5017]

Thank you Bill for another action packed video to be used in fire training. No one will ever understand how adrenaline is flowing and anxiety exists until they actually roll up to one of these calls! One thing everyone needs to realize is that all firefighters are human, and mistakes happen. I do not criticize anyone, nor are any 2 calls the same. However, even though a report of entrapment came in, that line should have been charged as forcible entry was made. As you stated, that nozzle is the weapon, so more work has to be done on pump training, because it could make a huge difference in coming home at the end of the day. In the end, they made a hell of a knock, they saved the house and a job well done. My hats off to all first responders last night.

[@SittingWithDogs]

As a seasoned Fireman in a big city in MI known for fires that was a beautiful job. It’s not uncommon for things to light up while we’re making the original stretch. That’s all that happened. Happens everyday in the real world bro. These guys did.a great job

[@andyoxleyonhistravels]

@@SittingWithDogs To be fair that is a bit of poor basic firefighting. The hoseline is a bundle which you will struggle to get any water through and all they did was open the door with no water to get to work and they just fed the fire and made it worse. This is just basic stuff that these guys should be able to understand and carry out. This is how firefighters get killed and seriously injured for no reason.

[@fdMT_EnGy]

Please brother and sisters, never never never go into battle without your sword...never. Second, one of the best, informative, and important raining courses I have ever taken was about reading smoke and fire behavior. Please to all chiefs and or training officers, please offer this training course to your firefighters.

[@juliakutzler9599]

As I watch our first responders, Police, Firemen/women, Fire Police, other Fire companies, this brought to mind how they all lay down their lives for us...negative criticisms are not warranted at this time. They did their best! They came out to save a life! This is a boarding house made of clapboard and will burn very fast. Thank You! Northampton Fire Fighters for being willing to die for me! Love all of you to the moon and back! Yes!! we need volunteers and people to give of their time unselfishly! Christ died for us and they will too!

[@lockheedload]

As a fellow firefighter, the constructive feedback is warranted. Apparently no one there cares about them enough to properly educate them. If one of them reads these comments and learns something from it, it could help save firefighter lives down the road.

[@skymedic48]

I completely disagree with you. Doing "your best" is a good way to let complacency and bad habits in. There is no standard for "doing your best". Don't train until you get it right....train until you don't do it wrong.

[@alleybrown8753]

Agree with what you said the firemen did a great job

[@bernatdsampson4810]

if that was someones best id wait for it to rain. When a firefighter dies more times than not its because of either poor training freelancing or just someone did something dumb. Its nice being a hero but you have spent to much time in parades and not enough time training. If that was my fire dept id move out of town

[@bernatdsampson4810]

by the way 40 years on the job and the worst are sometimes paid so don't blame volunteers

[@ERICSANFILIPPO]

DMN WHOA FLASHOVER JUST LIKE IN SEASON 1 OF CHICAGO FIRE WHEN FIREHOUSE 51 RESPONDES TO THE WAREHOUSE FIRE WHERE A HOMELESS MAN DIES

[@mrfingerlakes8735]

That tenant lucky to be alive

[@abipey]

This is not a flash over, it's a rollover.... Let's be accurate... This is a monthly occurrence in most FD. Just open the damn nozzle... I see there is Drama kings everywhere.

[@Blazefork]

Been in on one of those...proper ppe will protect you and give your helmet a good patina, doesn't take much water to right the situation

[@poppiarlin5612]

Thank God someone knows what they are talking about! Two different occurrences.

[@calebwilbur4555]

Going in like that without charging the line is like carrying a sidearm with no ammunition.

[@hollzie7348]

I can't believe that dude was able to get back up and walk away after falling out of a 2 story house window and then landing on the ground with his body. He looked like a Raggedy Ann doll just falling out of the window. He is lucky to be alive after that 🤕😲

[@PMAN-jj1hn]

That’s why you don’t crowd the stairs; what’s the deal with the pump operator??

[@luke4578]

It may not be the pump operator they may have not call for water yet it’s easier to move a line up the stairs dry but hey I have no clue I was not there

[@colyngersty425]

The engine had a pump test and the testers didn’t fill up the pump with water. We were not aware of this as no one has told anyone in the department.

[@StephenNurn]

Farmboy090 who doesnt check their rig after it comes back from a pump test or any sort of maintenance? No excuses. Everything could have been avoided. If there was water earlier than that, the victim that jumped out of the window could have been saved.

[@extremegunn94]

@@StephenNurn Wait are they serious? A pump test prevented the line from being charged because of no water in the tanks?

[@kluttchkyle2318]

@@colyngersty425 you don't have water gauges in your apparatus?

[@danshobbies13]

WOW lawn cutting starting at 25 bucks! What a bargain!

[@bouncingbennyboy1965]

Is this what the world can expect from a skilled American firefighter? I have seen many videos across America exactly like this.

[@justmyopinion7269]

Guys...........Officers.........senior firefighters.......Take a breath and slow down. Think about what you're doing. Everyone in the comments has beat the uncharged line to death (and rightly so), but that's not what caused the problem on the porch. An open door that fed the starving fire oxygen was the problem. Fire will take the path of least resistance and when it has burnt up the O2 in the fire room it's going to travel towards any new area that's vented, creating a new flowpath. Opening that door and not controlling it brought the flashover to them the first time and then continued to feed it causing the second flash that nearly killed the victim they were supposed to be saving. Force the door and close it until you have all gear on and a charged line ready to go, then make your aggressive interior attack and kick its ass.

[@virgilhilts3924]

Youve clearly never worked a fire in your life

[@daviddewey8242]

Most amazing thing about this whole video,this guy pretty much tucks,and barrel rolls out a 2 story window,gets up walks away,climbs over the fence like nothing happened.

[@shelbymccoy3936]

Did the trapped man cause a big flow of air causing the flashover? Not trying to blame anyone. If that was the case he probably didn't realize it would place firefighters in danger and maybe opened a door to escape. It gave the fire a huge gust of oxygen. Why was the line in their hands not charged b4 they opened the door?Just asking. Not being critical. I wasn't there and so I don't judge these things. Our firefighters are heroes and work hard for our good. Many thanks to all first responders!!! Hopefully the firefighters weren't hurt. It truly is a dangerous job!!

[@FireRescue80]

That is a very good observation.

[@ritirons2726]

Shelby, without getting technical, a flashover is a temperature driven event that occurs when fire gases within the fire room have reached their ignition temperatures. The potential for, or the actual occurrence of a flashover can be prevented by ventilation. Opening a door or breaking a window will actually decrease the possibility of a flashover occurring by releasing the heat and smoke, effectively lowering the overall and ignition point temperatures. A backdraft on the other hand is an air driven event, which creates a rapid development of fire due to a large amount of air being introduced into a oxygen starved or ventilation limited fire. In that situation you will see an extremely rapid, sometimes explosive increase in the fire. This was certainly a flashover but it did not occur because air was introduced.

[@michaelrhea3033]

@@ritirons2726 Actually, ventilation absolutely can cause flashover, and the lack of door control while awaiting water very likely contributed to flashover here. Any opening of the building should be considered ventilation, and without a charged hoseline in place, ventilation induced flashover is a very real possibility. The opening of the window upstairs simply created another flowpath for the fire.

[@ritirons2726]

Who opened a window?

[@ritirons2726]

I should have clarified my final sentence a little more clearly. What I meant was the air from the window the occupant opened did not contribute to the flashover, as it had already occurred. Also note that there is very little smoke issuing from the window he opened and exited from. This suggests that whatever the area he was in was not connected to the fire room. If it were that person would not have survived the conditions inside, and heavy black smoke would have began issuing the instant he opened it. The description also states that the room was approx 8’x10’. The area the occupant exited from was much further away than the size description. Anyway, in the end and in the opinion of many people, the door should not have been opened without water. The minute the first crew opens a door to a fully developed, flashover primed room without water, the door needs to be closed until water can be applied to cool the atmosphere.

[@TrainsForever]

My dad and his partner got blown out of a trailer because of one of these. These guys deserve credit and a lot of respect for doing all this for strangers. Hope nobody was burned

[@stuby2014]

A reminder that one mistake could cost someone their life.

[@albertomadeirajr7824]

Didn't one of the engineer that was pumping the line said that the pressure to the engine was low? Could that be the reason why there was no water right away.

[@marnofranck6204]

This video should be shown in Firefighting training schools. There is a huge lesson to learn here.

[@amymonsour1257]

I can't believe how look it took that man to finally jump out of the window. I'd be yeeting myself out that window the second my house looked like that

[@dakotawerlitz6565]

Why didn't they charge the line

[@peterp1158]

imagine living next door to a shop that sells ammunition, and a fire breaks out.

[@firebuffvideo]

Ahhhhh why is there so many comments on negativity? Reported fire, FD pulls up, water went on the fire, wrapped up and units returned. What’s so hard about this?

[@jasonbennett6780]

firebuffvideo ...There will always be KZbin fire chiefs.

[@damienflexer7976]

Because they didn't follow procedure and almost got themselves killed

[@rd4660]

There should always be a constant pursuit of doing it right. Criticism is an important part of that process The initial response to this fire was a cockup of the first degree. I didn't see or hear any leadership, what I did see is lots of FFs running into each other without water while the victim was going without a ladder to get his ass out of the building. They can do better...that's the point of criticism. And if that FD didn't have a debrief after that fire, they're losing an opportunity to learn and do better next time.

[@ItsTheCostanza]

Keyboard firemen. I knew this video would be hammered with comments

[@firebuffvideo]

“YES” It amazes me how it’s always “next time”. We have all these new toys, we need this, we need that. We have hundreds of hours in training racked up. This one took these courses and that one took those courses to be Chief or Company Officer or some position to wear a vest. Then the true fire happens and it seems all the time we have been playing and hoping to do the job, everything goes out the window!!!!! Why is that?

[@devonjohnson1800]

No one new they were trapped?? No ground ladders to make a attempt to rescue from the window?? Come on.... And this looks like a multi family apartment too.

[@leightongalleries6057]

Here is one to think about. Charging the line always seems to take way too long. Why is that? How can that be fixed?

[@tonyspigarolo9953]

They were all so distracted flaking the line that nobody recognized it starting to roll over them....

[@exothermic2054]

An uncharged line in a fully involved room? WTF are you thinking?

[@tcanter64]

A fire fighters training is always ongoing. Part of that is critiquing and giving constructive criticism. Bashing someone’s actions is good for no one. Great job by getting to the scene, being on air on the stairs (Except the last fire fighter) knocking it down and proper overhaul. Now the critique. Recognizing the oncoming flashover was critical but was more than likely brought on by lack of door control, prior to a charged line. For those of us who are a qualified chauffeur, adrenaline is huge factor. I do not know the reason for lack of pressure initially, but sometimes it is a simple task that was overlooked, due to the adrenaline rush. A button not pressed, having the rig not in pump etc. These are just a couple reasons why we train. The last fire fighter on the stairs whose mask was dangling should of been on air prior to going up those stairs. A little bit of a bunching on those stairs not allowing for ample room to back out prior too and during the initial flashover. Im sure this Dept had a lot of these same comments in their own critiquing of this event. I’m just glad everyone went home safe. Great job brothers!!!

[@michaelanthony6659]

Don’t forget that not a single one of them had a tool

[@tcanter64]

If you see as they retreat down the stairs, approximately 1:13 into it, there is one holding a roof hook.@@michaelanthony6659

[@nuttybeef1222]

Rumor has it the line still isn’t charged

[@vanessahuman7607]

Even if I was paid $100 an hour I would not do the job these Hero's do.

[@lockheedload]

the majority of us do it for free!

[@benjiereeves4919]

@@lockheedload with WAY less resources

[@joemoore8054]

Combat ready...NOT, learn to run the pump and how to stretch a hand line first.... love seeing the chief in jeans and sneakers.

[@jeffreinhard5017]

You sir are an idiot! Live in his shoes and see how you respond. Chief Knoblach is an excellent first responder. Are you a Chief??

[@ritirons2726]

There’s no excuse for a Chief not wearing bunker pants.

[@fireenginefan111]

@@jeffreinhard5017 Totally disagree! That quite simply looks unprofessional. It certainly would not be accepted here in New Zealand and would be worthy of a roasting. Not surprised that people would make comments on seeing this!

[@scottboyd5876]

Are you a firefighter! or one the sit in his couch and judge others. Most fire departments are Volunteer and have to buy their own gear. There are more Volunteer Fire departments than full time Fire departments in both USA and Canada.

[@bigd840]

@@scottboyd5876 In Germany you have the same situation. More volunteer than full time departments. And yes, even the volunteers don't have to pay for their personal equipment here. But in most Countrys you are first trained on your personal safty. Tactics may be different. But you can't help others when you become a victim. Stop this heroism. And when your leader doesen't do it right, why should his team do it better? I don't know this person in jeans and it is not about judging his work or experiance. No offense, it's just the wish that every one comes home alive and healthy. You can't rescue the world.

[@skipd9164]

I remember an incident when I was a service tech for a large gas utility. A fellow tech was installing a meter and everything was complete. Someone working in the kitchen area did something to the pipeline to the stove wich was capped waiting for a replacement in the remodeling. While lighting the heating unit in basement a fire started and first apparatus on scene broke down. The house was almost destroyed this was in the 80s and shit happens

[@jimmypearce2264]

How many people can we cram on the ladder and small landing with an uncharged handline...not to mention the warning signs

[@geraldwilson681]

That dark smoke pushing out like that should've been a warning sign to these firefighters. And where's the charged line?

[@desertfox7478]

I wouldn't enter an incipient fireground w/out a charged line or at least a can, hope the guys okay and I hope the dept sees what went wrong here.

[@MrScottie68]

After the fire appears to be out or at least under well under control, the fire department is still concentrating on causing further property damage by chopping apart the front fence. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@simmonsaustin1]

Who is the guy just standing and blocking the stairwell.....

[@OffGridretreat]

I guess no primary was done .

[@bencunningham6298]

Reported fire with people trapped. First two went in to make a grab without a line which isn't uncommon in many departments. They read the changing conditions inside and got out. If you guys think that's terrible firefighting then idk what the hell you;re being taught. Yea the engine crew did bottleneck the stairwell and no it's also not uncommon to stretch a dry line up an exterior stairwell and then charge it when you get to the top. We trained that way here as well because its a hell of a lot quicker than charging the line, making the damn loops and walking them up the stairs. Yea over 2 minutes to get water flowing isn't the standard but it seems like there was a priming issue

[@rickbillingsley3860]

So which is the priority? Entering once the line is charged even though you have a civilian trapped or attempt entry with no line to make a possible rescue?

[@spencerhudzenko3734]

Water on the fire should always be the priority. Conditions will improve and give your victims much higher chance of survival. Getting a line charged should not take that long, but I can't sit here and say I know why I did. Be it pump issue or pumper issues.

[@ritirons2726]

The initial arriving engine company has one primary objective, and that is getting water on the fire. We all know fire threatens lives and property. Therefore the fire needs to be viewed as a “THREAT”. The only way to save the occupant(s) and reduce the damage to property is to eliminate the “threat” as quickly as possible. The occupant(s) are not creating the conditions which are preventing their escape. The fire is. Therefore if the threat is not eliminated the conditions will escalate exponentially until it exceeds the capabilities of the fire department. The sooner the fire is extinguished, the sooner the conditions will improve for EVERYONE inside the building. For the initial arriving engine company, the fire or”threat” must take priority over all other actions.

[@ritirons2726]

@Steve Dellerose, you are correct in stating that truck companies operate without the benefit of a hose line each day. However, those truck companies are supported by solid engine companies solely focused on getting water on the fire as quickly as possible. Those truck companies are also not putting the occupants first, the occupants are their objective, not the fire. It is also done in departments that typically operate separate engine and truck companies, where the members normally have predetermined assignments PRIOR to arriving at the scene of a fire and in most instances operate alone. For the most part, the typical volunteer fire department does not operate in that manner. Volunteers “fill in the blanks” as manpower becomes available. If you show up at a fire and there is not enough manpower to attack the fire AND perform searches, or VES, the fire has to take priority. The fire is the threat to everyone in the building.

[@joefriday1586]

First day as a torch boy I was told never to advance a dry line. What's your excuse?

[@cpo87]

I dont know if they were the only ones on the scene at the time but at the department I worked for we would have automatically made egress points at those windows on the B side. You never know if there are occupants or if you might have to make your own exit.

[@MrGgrumpy10757]

First off, happy none of the firefighters were injured and hopefully a lesson learned about controlling the door and why it is so important. The bigger issue here, was there a CAN report ? where was the OV and why did no one see or know there was a victim on the 2nd floor by the 2/3 corner, everyone was fixated on the fire at the front door. Tunnel vision can be a fatal flaw. All good lessons to learn from and incorporate into your training.

[@jackh577]

Yeah, five guys at he tip, and no OV.

[@andrewbazeley6057]

Lack of training for firefighters is going to get them killed. Common sense should dictate that you shouldn’t enter a fire situation without water. We could debate whether 45mm hose or a hose reel is the right option but if you choose to take 45mm hose in with you, ensure it’s flaked outside the entry point, charged and checked prior to entry. Stay safe guys. Be real heroes and go home to your families after your shift.

[@Biffo1262]

One minute in and I refuse to watch a second further. Entry made to the upper (fire) floor and the lines haven't even been charged. This is first day on the drill yard training school stuff guys just what are you thinking?

[@janetkiefer8265]

I wasn't there, so I don't know and not trying to make judgment here...but....did they even know the guy was still inside? It doesn't appear that there was anyone actually trying to rescue a person. It appears more they were only focused on putting out the fire.

[@ripflip1112]

What’s with ALL FIREFIGHTERS Bstanding around ( @11:48 minute mark onwards????

[@uafbound]

At 3:00! The dude that bailed out the 2nd floor. Wow! How’d he stay in that long.

[@ritirons2726]

The smoke issuing from a structure gives firefighters an indication of conditions inside the building or “clues” as to what may be developing. The heavy, black, rolling smoke beginning to build pressure was a clear indication that a flashover was imminent. A brief period of roll over preceding the actual flashover, also a telltale sign. The warning signs were present. Members should not be advancing into an area primed for flashover , and certainly not with an uncharged attack line.

[@johnharrison7406]

Exactly correct! You nailed it.

[@04u2cY]

Beginning @ :29 all the warning signs can be seen from the camera man let alone the firefighters at the door wide open with the air walking in like human would you get the perfect condition smoke banking rapidly with the nice orange glow a nozzle men dream by no means I'm judging what they did you can tell these guys wanted to knock down this fire quickly this could be learning experience so it doesn't happen again.

[@FlyingHazmat]

It doesn’t sound like the truck is in pump gear.

[@garyscandle]

I understand your job but isn't your life more valuable. Lots to be learned right there. God bless 🙏✝️❤️

[@peterarvanitis6497]

That Detroit on the quint beautiful Lucky they did not lose anyone on that flashover

[@chosenone1004]

So I’m curious , why vent the roof of the fire is knocked down ? Do you guys have extension into the attic space ?

[@paser11385]

thank god no serious injuries. i hope this department took this video and picked it apart and learned from it. Stay safe!!

[@Lexiplayvronphone]

Keep me updated with fire I love these video and the firefighters do a good job keep up the good work

[@eliasthienpont6330]

I was surprised at the flashover since I saw that the front room had an open window. I suppose that front door let much more oxygen into the room. I'm not a firefighter, but I did watch a video on how to breach a room. And that many people on the stairway is a no-no. You cannot block the exits just because you want to go in.

[@igotJesus88]

Was the pump primed? Maybe previous operator forgot to prime the pump after back flushing?

[@SericksGaming]

Why were they in the fire building without the line charged?

[@The13April1987]

Great filming Newsworking!! Thankfully no one got burned or died. That guy did a roll right out of that back window. I didn't know what it was coming out of the window til he hit the ground. It was like a black blob rolling out of the window.

[@davidharris2519]

why are they cutting the chain link fence

[@udizzy1969]

Great save Nfd, doing good work. Cheers Dizzy.

[@juliannreno5580]

I would love to hear a Firefighters view on this fire! Thanks

[@xxkillerkane420xx8]

I was not there so I dont know the conditions they were faced with upon arrival. I can say that the flash over looked preventable and there was tell tale signs that a flash over was imminent. The first mistake was piling that many ffs on the stairway before having a water supply. Second MAJOR mistake was opening that front door before having a water supply, that was the #1 cause of the flash over. Had they waited got the line to be charged, they could have put water through the door immediately once opened. This action would almost certainly prevented the flash over. That being said I can speculate the reasons these mistakes were made. 1) I believe they had reports of a possible resident inside and this can open a crew up to making mistakes and rushing entry to the structure. By doing so a flashover occured which could have killed crew members and the resident. 2) there seemed to be a pressure issue with the apparatus and is probably the reason for the delay in charging the line. 3) little to no flame showing. This can be deceiving, rookies and sometimes even a lapse in judgement will think that a fire isnt that serious due to little to no flame showing. We are taught to read the smoke, not the flames. The smoke at the beginning told me that there was lots of heat and the fire was starving for oxygen and the last thing we want to do is give it oxygen without also cooling it simultaneously.

[@jeffploetner]

@@xxkillerkane420xx8 How do you read the smoke? What colors mean what?

[@xxkillerkane420xx8]

@@jeffploetner watch some smoke reading videos on here. Theres lots of them. This fire had thick black turbulent smoke coming from the door and eaves, meaning theres lots of heat but not a complete burn. The turbulence is caused by the fire or heat source starving for oxygen and trying to draw oxygen in from anywhere it can get it. Fire needs 3 things to burn. Heat, which was present. Fuel, obviously present. Oxygen, which was in low supply which the smoke was telling them. Once they opened the door they introduced an unrestricted flow of oxygen which made its way to the heat source and ignited all that hot fuel rich smoke in the air causing a flash over. Luckily for them this was not a very violent flash over but deadly none the less.

[@littlemizredhead]

I'm bothered there was no warning of trapped people... Gosh. That poor man.

[@aaronwaltho223]

After the flash the majority go in low, on hands and knees. Why not on entry? You can see the flaming combustion is half way down the door as it exits the building. At least if you’re low you have a chance of not getting a smack in the face. Give a fire air it will only grow.

[@Chris-sac]

For all you arm chairs out there critiquing this video. There is no such thing as always and never in the fire service. Different situations call for different tactics. I agree the way they made entry was messed up and the amount of firefighters stacked in the flow path of the fire was also bad. However, a lot of you are saying never make entry with a dry line or no line. That is wrong . There are times when it is appropriate. VEIS is a prime example of going in without a line and limited staffing with confirmed victims is another. I prefer having a charged line but have pulled searches without one and made a successful rescue of three trapped occupants alone without a line. Please get out of the habit of saying always and never.

[@kelly806]

All the comments about a dry line...and not one about the guy who fell out of the 2nd floor window.

[@andrewdaley3081]

Oh him he's always doing that soon as he see a camera man he's straight out the nearest window. Andy England 🇬🇧👍

[@DeeTraylor]

I get tired of these departments that train for no reason because when they get on Scene they forget anyway smh charge the line first!

[@mikepaz4870]

My goodness gracious. Why cant the Engineer charge the line ? I stopped watching when the FIRE was out and some dummy w a K-12 was ruining a cyclone fence.

[@af.7992]

I was just wondering why it was even necessary to destroy the entire front fence after the fire was pretty much put out? Is it not possible to leave some of their property intact once you've already got the situation under control? I know it may not seem like something to care about but the homeowner just suffered massive damage to the house itself and to add insult to injury the majority of their nice fencing is demolished to boot. It didn't seem like an absolute requirement, just done for the firefighters convenience to finish up the job. And it was a shorter fence so lines could have been put over the fence easily enough without removal. Am I wrong? And where do you draw the line at additional damage being done to the property?

[@Derekva40]

cmon guys you have to be better than that and they didnt get caught in a flashover- the got caught with no water- that just rolled out the wide open door,

[@nriocbhionls]

Am I incorrect? Last time I was an engine officer I required the pump operator/chauffeur to have a supply line stretched and before a man entered the line is charged. That error on the part of the line officer looks like he injured personnel.

[@kenmeinken8115]

We always made the initial attack using the tank while the supply line was getting connected. Other departments might have different procedures.

[@bernatdsampson4810]

@@kenmeinken8115 why do you have preconnects if not for initial attack. its the whole point of having them...tank to pump...preconnect one charged.....10 seconds presto water on the fire

[@Battalion31]

Roll over, charged hose line ,,,,, how many guys can you put on a set of steps

[@Karl-Hungus]

That was an agonizing long time to get a line charged..From what it looked like they were having problems running the pump? It seemed like they were trying to figure out how to run it or train a guy on it at a fire scene.......They are lucky no one was hurt in that flash over. It could have been bad..

[@petergrandahl2386]

I could see that was going to happen. They're all jammed up on the stairs and you could see it starting to get ready to flash and none of them moved back down the stairs even when the guy started screaming. He saved himself by jumping into the next room, then jumping out the window. I don't know what it is. People seem to freeze and are unable to react when faced with horror. I don't have that condition but it seems most people do. When a car pulls in front of me I instantly react. Most just plow right into it like they can't see it or something. It's how I have survived driving in the Twin Cities, (road bully capital of the world) for lyft for 5 years and I'm still alive to tell about it.

[@karenbartley1664]

Beautiful well kept equipment... And everyone knows there job... Well done Gentleman... God Bless all...

[@andrewdaley3081]

Are you being serious they do not know their job if they did they would have made sure the had water before they stood a that doorway and all the signs were there that that was going to flash as soon as the let oxygen into that fire. Andy England 🇬🇧👍

[@af.7992]

Were we watching the same video? That was not a good display of doing the job well, at least not the first half. The folks involved got lucky, including the victim, but there were definitely mistakes that could have cost lives. Training isn't for the fun of it. It's so that actions required during intense moments of high stress become automatic reactions that you don't have to stop and think about when you're in the middle of those life and death situations where the average person is prone to panic and shut down critical thinking skills altogether. Being able to fall back on your training saves lives. I hope no one was seriously injured in this incident.

[@doc8801]

putting the fire aside it's been commented on vary well.. your pt. just fell out of the 2nd floor window and no c-spine or back board??? looks like it was a bad night for all.

[@poodtang2104]

Surprised someone didn't break their ankle trying to get around that chain link fence.

[@UCPD198]

Going in without a charged hose line is stupid. Gets people injured.