First Amendment CRACKDOWN On College Campuses After CHAOTIC Spring PROTESTS

Jessica Burbank and Amber Duke discuss the changing rules on university campuses regarding protests.
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[@vinsanityguitar]

Now Jessica likes free speech. What a world.

[@chooseanamenow]

The fact that this show is unable to find a reasonable intelligent person on the left makes me think there may actually be none..

[@Stassis]

The current left paradigm makes that impossible. It's all based on emotions over reason.

[@notnotkevinjohn]

Campuses don't need to shut down protests (as long as they remain legal and aren't damaging property or putting people in danger or prevent others from getting to class); they just need to stop over-valuing them. We need to get past this idea that protesting is something that needs to be celebrated or rewarded. If you go to a protest and you don't do your classwork, you fail the class.

[@notnotkevinjohn]

@@jagodaszubert2404 Yes, exactly. The left is always saying (and rightly so) that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences of that speech, and that applies to individuals as well; so long as it's not retaliatory.

[@norman_5623]

Some of the people who are most active in protests are also some of the best students in class. And if you study the First Amendment in class, but you don't know when or why the First Amendment should be exercised, I don't think you understand the First Amendment.

[@notnotkevinjohn]

@@norman_5623 And sometimes people who were top students get caught up in causes and protesting and end up missing classes and not doing assignments and very often they'll get dispensation from school administrators who want to appear so supportive of first amendment rights that they're willing to grant special privileges for speech they agree with. If you understand the First Amendment, you know that it protects against government retaliation against speech; it doesn't guarantee preferential treatment. If you spend a week protesting and miss a test or assignment, its in no way an infringement of your First Amendment rights to not be allowed to retake it or submit the assignment late.

[@K.S.Nichols]

Spraypainting the library and setting bonfires next to your dorm is not "speech," Jessica.

[@jayron02001]

No one is talking about thoses things, but we know that your group excels at bonfires.

[@jayron02001]

@@jagodaszubert2404 setting up camp on the quad will only hurt... the grass. if anything. Defacing property?... It's talking about the obvious. Why waste the time?

[@jayron02001]

@@jagodaszubert2404 Why? It's more productive to stay attached to reality. You seem to be in MAGAland.

[@rushkitty83]

Has she never heard of a Code of Conduct? these nasty little trolls aren't here for an education. They're here to agitate and harass. if you can't do it late into the night or block Jewish students from class then it's not fun.

[@_ac_7649]

enlightened from jessica nonsense

[@sdpitt49]

Why does Jessica sound like a valley-girl, sorority sister?

[@Dan-y6l3k]

Silver spoon. 🥄

[@jayron02001]

...because you're a child?

[@Dan-y6l3k]

@@jayron02001 - I hope she sees your virtue signal. 🥲

[@dmitriyk4322]

Extremely sheltered and probably grew up in a gated community.

[@jayron02001]

@@dmitriyk4322 That's some interesting guessing, fella!

[@shade38211]

Encampments,violence, intimidation and taking over buildings is not first amend.

[@MikeJones1995-z6q]

It's just free speech you don't like 😂😂😂

[@seanbrennan3241]

@@MikeJones1995-z6qtaking over a building isn’t speech.

[@MikeJones1995-z6q]

@@bawilson999 This what they call you a Boomer 🤔😂🤔😂

[@Rick-rs2mj]

​@@MikeJones1995-z6q resorting to personal insults just means you lost the debate

[@jas_atx3922]

How far do you have to scroll before you read a comment about something other then Jessica's idiocy? @theHill - please do something about this...

[@carlsnyder4833]

First Amendment crackdown? You mean I can't just pitch a tent in the quad and live there permanently? All of these rules and restrictions should have been in place already.

[@schnauzerbro]

At the end of the day though you still fun Israeli healthcare while denying it your own countrymen. That's the only reason you have this stance is that you just love being owned by Israel.

[@norman_5623]

If you're a student, and you're paying for housing in the dormitories, why shouldn't you be able to gather in the quad for as long as you want, to discuss what you're learning, including politics, with your fellow students? Did you ever have a discussion that lasted all night, until the sun came up?

[@carlsnyder4833]

@@norman_5623 this is a Motte and Bailey argument. You're painting the most innocent and harmless version of the protests last spring and positing that all University policy should be crafted around this scenario. It's a Motte. The most defensible version of an argument you can come up with. Unfortunately this was not how the protests were being held. The students were not casually hanging out in the quad debating politics, they were camping there. They were taking over buildings, they were preventing Jewish students access to the campus and to their classes. They were gearing up with shield for armed conflict. So yeah, these rules and restrictions should have been in place already.

[@norman_5623]

​@@carlsnyder4833 This Hill report was based entirely on a NYT story, "How Colleges Are Changing Their Rules on Protesting," Sept. 12, 2024, and I suggest you read it to find out what the facts and issues are that I and The Hill are discussing. Like the ACLU, I am only defending non-violent protests, which are protected under the First Amendment, particularly at state schools. I'm not defending protests that prevent students from access to campus and classes, or disrupt the operation and functions of the university. But open discussion is also a function of the university, and faculty members complain that the rules themselves cited in the NYT story disrupt that function. According to the NYT, the ACLU of Indiana is suing the university over time restrictions, arguing that they prohibit people from talking to a friend about politics during that time. In many schools, during the Jewish holiday of Sukkot, Jewish students in Hillel and Chabad set up temporary huts for 8 days, which they celebrate with meals and singing. (I go to a Sukkot celebration every year in my neighborhood.) If the university administrations believe that setting up huts for Sukkot is an appropriate, non-disruptive use of university space, then why shouldn't other Jewish students be allowed to set up tents for a similar length of time for open discussion and protest?

[@carlsnyder4833]

@@norman_5623 well Norman I'm afraid this argument just doesn't seem to hold up to scrutiny. 1) The rules in question were not arbitrarily made. They were in response to to a wave of seriously dangerous and in some cases riotous protests on campus this last spring. Despite the fact that you and the NYT's are only interested in defending the "non-violent protests" the facts of the matter are that one comes with the other. The provisions made are frankly generous considering the damage and harm done by the activists that chose to overtake universities the nation wide this year. No one is prevented from discussion they are just not allowed to camp. 2) Considering the wave of totalitarian restrictions made to right leaning speakers and students the last decade over it seems like the NYT and likely yourself are a bit slow to the "Universities are violating our free speech rights" party. Are you aware that dangerous mobs have chased out dozens if not hundreds of guest speakers on campus and violated their freedom of speech with seemingly no corrections made from these Universities? 3) Consider the free speech zones enacted by Universites all over the country where by Conservative students were given the privilege of speaking their mind - in the designated area of the campus. In some cases such as Modesto Junior College in California students were afforded their free speech rights as long as they submitted a form with 5 days advance for a total of 8 hours per semester of "free speech time". I skimmed the internet searching for the hard hitting coverage by the ACLU and the New York Times on these free speech violations and wouldn't you know it there just didn't seem to be any coverage of these free speech zones despite the fact that 52 colleges still have them as official policy. So, you'll forgive me if the actual danger of the riotous protests on campus may have slightly inconvenienced a couple of students who may wish to protest in good faith doesn't seem to move the needle of injustice when in years past one single conservative kid that wants to hand out constitutions was kicked off campus.

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

Jessica is once again showing just how crazy her thought patterns really are are! Restrictions on protests have always been a part of the equation to prevent unplanned disruptions and violence. She needs to grow up and understand history and group dynamics !

[@norman_5623]

You ought to take a class where you are required to read the Supreme Court cases on the First Amendment. And as part of the class, you should be required to peacefully go to a demonstration, exercise your constitutional rights, and see if you get beaten up by the cops.

[@danielhall6373]

Why do they keep calling these adults “young kids”

[@seansmyth1228]

I'm guessing the irony of her free speech hypocrisy is completely lost on her

[@edwoodsr]

Please ask Jessica if she understands why the interest in Zionism increased and a Jewish state was established so soon after WWII.

[@PickedOff100]

Did anyone at the, the Hill actually go to school, any school? They have to obey the constitution regardless of their public or private status, you never get to violate someone's constitutional rights. It's amazing how young people's view of the meaning of a clearly understood law changes depending on what side they happen to be on.

[@Jessica-xj2nj]

Im glad amber questioned jessica on the rule to not only have one side posted. I dont think teachers should have a giant free palestine poster up or a zionist poster up. I wouldnt want a giant trump or kamala poster in my teachers room. That could be awkward for their students who may be israeli or palestinian, or dem or republican. Protesting is fine, but If you vandalize property or threaten you should be held accountable. Someone shouldnt have to fear going to class.

[@norman_5623]

I wouldn't want to go into a classroom or teacher's office and see a giant American flag. As Sarah Silverman said, Jews are uncomfortable with expressions of nationalism. Would you agree that I have a right to be protected against that discomfort?

[@stevenkarroll3197]

They aren't stopping protests, they're making the campuses and classes livable and workable for students that want to go to class and get work done, as well as the workers and administration of the schools.

[@norman_5623]

Yes, and they have to make the campus livable and workable for students and teachers who want to exercise their First Amendment right to peaceably assemble to petition the government for a redress of grievances. That's part of the work that students and teachers do at a university. Where did the Columbia Administration allow them to do that?

[@DjEverly-nf3gh]

Jessica likes free speech now

[@killa3x]

Stop hating on Jessica people. She is pretty so what she says matters

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

Expressing Free Speech is fine so long as you are NOT impeding on the rights of others(ie. disrupting the functionality of an institution for which other students pay an insane amount of money for). This is everyday CASE LAW.

[@grizelda4526]

Next, on this episode of “Frenemies”…

[@PickedOff100]

Update: After this protest, Palestine was freed and all of the violence stopped.

[@josephpanella2726]

What does banning encampments have to do with free speech? I will say i have not been on a campus in a while but from what i saw on the news i was surprised more people were not arrested. Also how does getting a permit infringe on free speech when that is what you have to do in every city that i know of.

[@norman_5623]

You should look up the First Amendment and the Supreme Court cases defining it. You don't need a permit to hold a demonstration. The city can only place *reasonable* restrictions on the time, place and manner of the demonstration, as NYC Mayor Giuliani found out. Organizations that plan large demonstrations in advance usually get permits, because it works to the advantage of the demonstrators and police, but it's not required. When Columbia University prevented demonstrations inside the campus, they held unplanned crowded demonstrations on the streets outside the campus, which annoyed a lot of people in the neighborhood, but it was their constitutional right, and the police had to block off streets for them.

[@josephpanella2726]

@@norman_5623 Didn't realize that, i though you needed a permit.

[@bobiel9048]

“There are no weapons stronger than words. They hit faster than a speeding bullet, with more force than a battering ram, and never fail to hit the heart”

[@elisereynolds945]

encampments are crazy. When I was in college it never occurred to me it was possible to

[@sweetkritty]

Around min 8 when JB says having 2 sides presented shouldn’t be forced - WHAT! Both sides should be presented fairly to form opinions!

[@albarosolis5969]

Hey, there have been multiple threats of school shootings in the small towns around East Tennessee an hour from Knoxville. Please check this out and bring awareness to it. I have 2 daughters, 1 still in middle school help our schools

[@praisegod7992]

A lot of these universities get a lot of FUNDS from very wealthy Jewish DONORS...so, the people that are donating the most money will control the message.

[@norman_5623]

Yes, according to the New York Times, Angela Berrie, the rich widow, donated $86 million to Columbia University, conditioned on "steps to create a tolerant and secure environment for Jewish members of the Columbia community." Nothing about the Palestinian members. Robert Kraft and Leon Cooperman also threatened to withhold donations. Fortunately the malign influence of Jewish billionaires is balanced by the organizing for justice and fairness by the Jewish communists and progressives. It's pretty hard to run a university if your students and faculty members go on strike.

[@deand6411]

Not white and not jewish. What? Have you ever been there. Have you been to Gaza? The veil of these women is so thin.

[@Hawkcap]

Well while i dont agree to all the policies i do think most of them is reasonable in regards to not disturbing the other students school activities. Also some of the policies are put in place cause other rules arent respected. Like loud protests just outside the glass windowss of a school library, non-students putting on masks and joining the protests on school campuses, putting up camps on school campus in places there doesnt have the safety for sleepovers, like fire safety is build based on daily activity and not on people sleeping there (yes there is different regulations for fire exits depending on if its daily use for awake people or for people there is sleeping) ^^

[@macmcelveen1241]

1st amendment...

[@bobiel9048]

There is no “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment. So, many Americans wonder: Is hate speech legal? Contrary to a common misconception, most expression one might identify as “hate speech” is protected by the First Amendment and cannot lawfully be censored, punished, or unduly burdened by the government - including public colleges and universities.

[@norman_5623]

That's right. That's why the Nazis were allowed to march in Skokie, Illinois.

[@norman_5623]

That's OK with me. If Columbia/Barnard Hillel posts an Israeli flag in their rooms, as they often do, then they have to place a Palestinian flag in the room too.

[@juju2345]

If troops are deployed in any nation for less than 180 days, we maintain “No boots on the ground.” 👠👠

[@RtistiqSkubie]

Where are the comments? It says 65 in 7 hours...I don't believe that. There are none showing either.

[@chokkan7]

No one wants to see our freedom of speech limited, but the speaker also has the obligation to rein themselves in regarding what they do or say; we're not free to yell 'fire' in a crowsed theather, nor should we be able to routinely insult and slander others because their beliefs differ from our own, and we should not be able to harass others for any reason. If anyone believes that vandalism and wanton destruction qualify as freedom of expression, I'd agree only if reimbursement took place prior to said actions (and then with grave reservations). It's not in the Constitution, but we all should know that openly disrespecting others will not garner respect for our point of view...I'm amazed that these students haven't learned that somewhere along the way.

[@norman_5623]

If some people feel insulted, slandered or harassed when students protest the killing of innocent non-combatants, like 6-year-old Hind Rajab, or American journalists like Shireen Abu Akleh, they better learn the reasons for the protest, because this is America, and our constitutional right (and obligation) to protest trumps their offended feelings.

[@rodharris3606]

It's call time, place and manner, that means that you can

[@sophiatremolos5786]

Its bad emough that we do not have "Freedom of Speech at the Workplace", as we all know, but to pay to go to an intuition that will limit your rights seems a like a "fun-el of" resources...

[@ryanthompson591]

So you can't set up a tent in your workplace and yell slogans at your coworkers? That's anti free speech.

[@cassiemargavio1778]

Have your free speech. Just don't act like idiots. You abuse stuff , you lose stuff

[@Dan-y6l3k]

J6 or anti-genocide protesters?

[@subo88]

That’s not how the constitution works.

[@cassiemargavio1778]

@@subo88 it is how the law works. You don't get to do whatever you want without consequence.

[@gwenynmel5682]

This is a crazy news cast. Who vetted this drivel? Back to looking for fair coverage

[@GAMakin]

I FIGHT AUTHORITY, AUTHORITY ALWAYS WINS... John Cougar Mellencamp; 1983 41-years on, only the names have been changed to (likewise) protect the GUILTY. OUTGOING RESPONSE STILL THE SAME... ⬇️ 🖕 POINTLESS?

[@juju2345]

INCELS don’t like Jessica. 🌳🌳🌳made you look.

[@Raymail-tj4cf]

So The Hill is saying that it is okay to call for the death of fellow students.

[@strooomon]

Jessica talking total nonsense, as usual. We had a one day respite. Back to cutting every clip short

[@nickp5827]

Im fine with being mad about anit 1st amendment issues on college campuses. But with jessica she only cares when it her side.

[@ahmedgunner15]

There are Hasbara bots in the comments section

[@yehonatanyaar7330]

Jessica is concernred about the US providing support to ISrael to fight terrorism. But no concern for the hundreds of millions the US gave to UNRWA which was used for terrorism. I see a pro-terrorist bias.

[@crunchygoorl]

The protests were clearly antisemetic, it has nothing to do with skin color. Read a Bible.

[@jenniferfisher7455]

Ban protest the country is sick of it and they change nothing. Thats one right I would be happy to lose.

[@ThirdCoastGems]

Jessica is the worst co-host. Bring back Bri. At least she was nuanced and had a genuine POV. This lady "Ka" (her own nickname) can barely read the talking points she is emailed each morning from the Dem campaign, much less argue for them in any meaningful way. She is not good at educating the audience about the way she looks at the world and is not persuasive whatsoever. She also constantly projects her own anecdotal "evidence" on the topics often and it's annoying.

[@evanshourds9521]

Loved Bri even though I oftenb disagreed with her. Very smart and well spoken

[@ThirdCoastGems]

@evanshourds9521 TOTALLY agreed. And at least she would have nuanced takes, would explain her side, show evidence, and would even occasionally call out her own side and agree with things that were obviously fact/reality. I'm literally never "surprised" by Jessica and often it genuinely feels like she is reading off talking points from an email. She is a parrot and just parrots nonsense.