First came Tzeentch, then came Nurgle, so what awaits with Slaanesh? DLC Speculation and Prediction

[@sirunklydunk8861]

I’m surprised no mention of Dechala, who as an elf turned chaos makes sense in a DLC against Elves

[@neonknight2114]

Yeah I was hoping that she would’ve gotten some spotlight in here

[@biofoot7874]

Definitely this! If it's going to be elves then she makes the most sense I would argue

[@PowerPuffSoldier]

Dechala would make the most sense in a Elf-Slaanesh themed DLC. Aislinn in the Sea of Dread or even the Gates of Calith, Dechala in Khuresh with some Nagga units, then a DE Lord in Ind or Khuresh.

[@generalvibes5853]

I think she would be the most logical choice

[@bennytime2789]

Ideally she's going to be the legendary lord, she would have some good animations that they can re purpose for the khursesh factions

[@hollow8136]

Very unlikely, but I would love an Avatar of Khaine as the centerpiece unit for Dark Elves. I always wanted them to port over that unit from 40k to Dark Elves since it fit so well. And the fact that AoS made it a thing for DoK, makes me really want it in Total War. It would be very suitable for a Tullaris DLC unit.

[@KOBA235]

I honestly hope for Bretonnia for this one, also maybe vampires , they need DLC a lot more than elves do. As you said elves got almost everything, and I think Dechala the Denied will fit as opponent for elves much better.

[@liofalba]

Reason for DE is that they’re mostly fine, so you can concentrate efforts on HE and Slaanesh. Personally I think Slaanesh needs units, VC need mechanics and HE need both, so it’s a good fit, but opinions on who is “good” vary wildly.

[@spellbound1875]

Styrkaar over Dechala? Feels unlikely to me, both because storm of chaos has recieved 0 character references and because Dechala is a former high elf herself.

[@Pandarian300]

Yea I agree, If you going with slaanesh and elfs then Dechala is like must, there is natural parity there.

[@Aethgeir]

I hope you're right, Dechala would be something new and unique. Would love to see her in game.

[@loathsomepoopfarter]

Dechala will be a warriors of chaos or norscan lord, her whole shtick is enthralling mortals

[@spellbound1875]

@Loathsome Poop Farter Have you seen the Slaanesh mechanics? Gathering devotees, summoning devotee armies, and of course the seduction mechanics those seem right up her alley. Beyond that Azazel and Sigvald means Slaanesh has plenty of rep in WoC.

[@PowerPuffSoldier]

Hoping for Lizardmen and their long awaited geomantic web rework.

[@rossjackson8259]

Lizardmen are fine. A light rework to the geoweb can be added anytime and they’ll be in a far better place than most.

[@Micktrex]

@@rossjackson8259 Mazdamundi needs to change broadband providers.

[@diogovieira5563]

they dont need to add another lizard to rework this crap.

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@diogovieira5563 Lizardmen need a rework, but they don’t need more units.

[@MrAdrianlk]

I'll take more lizards but I'd rather see them paired with a Cathay sea invasion dlc

[@drlsword]

Dark elves in 4th edition had a city gaurd, spearmen with crossbows, also in the books it mentions walking statue in manowar dark elves had manticore riders. Dechala for slaanesh and maybe boob snakes as a unit as well maybe a dechala hybrid unit thing as well

[@johannesreus5154]

It also could be a bit of an ocean themed DLC featuring Norsca vs HE vs Slaanesh

[@LinkLegend0]

DE is ocean af too.

[@Tortle-Man]

I kinda hope that if the third DLC is really super elf focuses that our lord of choice is actually Dechalla the denied. And elf chaos warrior getting revenge on the elves would be amazing to watch.

[@mj91212]

It’d also be cool to see Slaanesh get some elven chaos warriors in general, maybe give Morathi access to them as well.

[@faceoctopus4571]

I want Dechalla to not be in a x vs y DLC. Because I want Dechalla's opponent to be her x-husband. Would be cool if she needs to get the sword of kaine to permanently kill her x husband so she can finally ascend to daemonhood.

[@stilloading5652]

I’m thinking Slaanesh, fried elves and Norsca

[@stilloading5652]

Dark elves and Wood elves have had content relatively recently

[@dannyshadbolt229]

Oh, never heard of that one. Sounds interesting!

[@CommanderBohn]

It will be Slaanesh vs HElves and DElves double-teaming him in the extremely rare moment when both don't try to murder each other on sight and instead murder the minions of the hermaphroditic freak.

[@InquisitorThomas]

I honestly hope not, sure there are some cool Elf characters I want to see, but the High and Dark Elves are done roster wise, High Elves are just missing the Sky cutter and Dark Elves are pretty much done, the need to include a game 2 race in every game 2 dlc has led to wild roster bloat and CA has worn their fingers to the knuckle trying to dig up obscure filler units for game 2 DLCs. Vampire Counts haven’t had a DLC in 5 going on 6 years, give the DLC to a faction that actually needs it, Lizardmen and Dark Elf issues can be resolved through updates, giving them more units isn’t going to fix them.

[@CommanderBohn]

@@InquisitorThomas The Merwyrms man. All those Merwyrms. And then we have more stuff in lore that wasn't made into tabletop. Also since Warhammer The Old World is connected to game 3, then expect completely new stuff.

[@MisterDragon]

For wood elves, I think back in 5th edition they had chariots. Thats an option. Also for Slaanesh, Dechala seems like a thematic shoe-in if its all about elves.

[@jamesfermor425]

A possible narrative for this dlc is Slaanesh has found a way to ensnare all elven souls and the elves have to find/construct an arcane artifact to safeguard their respective factions while blocking/sabotaging their rivals.

[@capadociaash8003]

I feel that’s too big a victory for Slaanesh. They just elves into the same position as the eldar in the narrative equivalent of a foot note

[@swmlv7229]

Norsca , bretonnia, slaanesh would be the better choice of dlc . Norsca and bretonnia need a huge balance with more troops, morr lords, different campaigns

[@Prince_of_Despair]

Sounds like they'll fit better with Khorne

[@sev1120]

For dark elves, you could use the city guard as a unit. A hybrid missile units that's defensively oriented that can take over for dreadspears and darkshards as you move into the mid-late game

[@x0lopossum]

10:23 Slaanesh herald the mask. 19:35 Stearcar, slanesh liutenant of Archeon the Everchosen. 31:00 Unmounted Toad dragons. 32:51 the Basilisk. 40:15 Sea lord Aislen. 46:40 Storm Weavers, priestly like high elven wizards. 47:34 Anointed of Ashurin, lord level Phoenix Gaurd that ride on Pheonixes. 52:15 MERWORMS, 1:03:30 Give Dark Elves Magma Dragons. 1:04:20 Druchii sea dragons. 1:06:56 Areloth, the greatest regular Wood elf Glaidlord who survived a fight with a sword of khain wielding Tyrion.

[@DestroToCreate]

Thank you

[@x0lopossum]

@@DestroToCreate No problem, I enjoy highlighting interesting parts of Sotek's videos.

[@cheesecake6572]

Dark Elves also have the option of Helldrakes which are like miniature Sea Dragons but much more vicious. They'd provide a monstrous infantry option which Dark Elves currently lack. Manticore Lords would be awesome too, again the Dark Elves don't have monstrous flying cavalry and manticore cav would be super cool. There's also, maybe, the Maelithii which are Dark Elven wraiths mentioned in the Malus novels. They're used to guard temples and as familiars. Ethereal infantry is absolutely an open niche in the Dark Elf roster but they do feel like a bit of a stretch. Lastly if CA are going to promote a unit champion to new unit status, I think Doomfire Masters would be the perfect candidate. Malekith's curse means all Doomfire Warlocks are on the verge of having their souls claimed by Slaanesh and must continually sacrifice others to delay the inevitable. They're a really unique unit that could benefit from a higher tier version and they're perfect thematically for a Slaanesh DLC.

[@Prince_of_Despair]

As much as I desperately want to see Helldrakes. We're probably not gonna get them and from the way it's looking, it might be Khorne v Slanessh v High Elves

[@cateto4029]

For the title I would go with Chosen by Excess, with the lords being Dechala, Tullaris and Aislinn

[@pepparmostheelder]

Doubtfull. More than likely it will be Slaneesh + Khorne + ??. They kinda have to prioritise getting more lords to the monogod factions despite it maybe being hard to have a good thematic DLC across all 3 factions.

[@Vermbraunt]

@@pepparmostheelder That is far more doubtful. Since Tzeentch is getting a DLC with two races and Nurgle is getting a DLC with two other races it stands to reason that they will follow the same pattern for Slanessh + two races and the Khorne + two races

[@pepparmostheelder]

​@@Vermbraunt I see your point BUT I would add that I dont think its neccesserily this basic linear pattern. If it was then they wouldnt put G1 races in DLC 2 following a DLC with G3 races. Don't get me wrong I certainly see it as possible and it wouldnt surprise me at all if it does go down like this. But I also recognize that there are multiple patterns here and we are cherry picking a few if we boil it down to one. Another view/pattern would be that the first DLC addresses the issue of game 3 races being a lot more barebones than anyone else atm so all races are G3. The second one adresses first of the factions that arguably needs it the most (Nurgle and dwarfs) + THE most popular race in the game who could also use an update (emprie). When I see it I dont necesserily focus on the pattern of 1 monogod/dlc or there always being 2 races of either G1, 2 or 3 after. Basicly the pattern I also see is focused on issues rather than simply something thematic or as arbitrary as game nr in the trilogy. DLC 3 with Khorne + Slaneesh + ?? makes sense when it comes to keep adressing these issues have. Elfs + slanesh doesnt as comparatively they already have a huge a mount of content and are in a really solid spot. I could see HE being the third faction due to the popularity of HE as a faction and that you always want at least 1 "good guy" faction in the DLC so it would sell but I still think Khorne is a likely 2nd faction. It fits both thematicly and to adress these issues. This would open up for DLC 4 to be VC/TK/nagash related. We know we are doing to get it - its just a question of when and whether or not CA want to hold on to it longer.

[@DestroToCreate]

Also thought Houses of Pleasure.

[@DakotaDean-cd3zg]

The problem with your interpretation of slaangors is the same problem as the AOS slaangors, the roles they would play are already occupied by another unit or multiple units that serve the same purpose. Fiends cover the fast heavy shock attacker role, while deamonettes already cover the fast damage dealing infantry role.

[@Etanexhunter16]

That's a good point. What role do you think Slaangors should occupy?

[@Phoenixstryke]

Dark Pegasus Knights for Dark Elves would be awesome. And it would fit with their tabletop roster (they didn't exist, but Masters and Morathi rode them)

[@jomix7]

The Masque is scary as hell, imagine being chased by a daemon who is just constantly emoting

[@rossjackson8259]

I think the 3rd race could be vampires and it’s lord be neferata. They might be done with dark elves I really want them to fix Ogres though. both lord choices are so bad. I actually think they’re the most failed faction right now. I don’t know if we will ever see them fixed though

[@liamcullen3035]

I reckon we will se the ogres get fixed. They are definitely in the worst place at the moment, agreed.

[@thebackup2121]

That's my thinking, I reckon they will update a main game 3 faction in each DLC and the rest will be updated in release order, though that means Ogres won't be updated til something like 2025 (assuming it's 3 DLC's a year like this year) 🥲

[@goatforcemcgoat8233]

Dechala seems like the obvious choice for a Slaanesh Legendary Lord to me

[@HomerJSimpson999]

what about Dechala? maybe she will open up Kuresh/Ind as a ally of Kugath. A greater Slaanesh spawn/beast could be a unit. The sea rangers are already ingame as rangers i guess. For Dark Elves we could have Morathi-Slaaneshi theme with Hydra variants or Disciples of Khaine as Sigmar Priest like buffers with heal (since we don't have lore of life). For WE we could get Meadow Chariots and/or Beastmasters

[@Nikola75222]

Slaanesh + High Elves + Ogre Kingdom (need some ogre campaign reworks and new units!)

[@thebackup2121]

Be prepared for a surprise when this one comes out. There are many factions that match well thematically and it is still most likely that Sotek's prediction will be the framework for DLC's, but the Thrones of Decay one has me thinking they will actually work their way through the three games and update their factions in order. Kislev & Cathay were included in the first, and my feeling is that these, along with Tzeentch, Nurgle, Empire & Dwarfs are mentioned a lot in the community as the factions most in need of updates as the mechanics are outdated and the roster has noticeable gaps in unit types that put them at a clear disadvantage at times, and this is partly why there is initially a mix of Game 1 and Game 3 factions. The other reason is that each DLC might feature one Game 3 faction and the others are from the earliest game with factions yet to be updated to make sure those factions waiting the longest get updated first, and might go something like this; Tzeentch Cathay Kislev Nurgle Dwarfs Empire Slaanesh Vampire Counts Wood Elves Khorne Greenskins Norsca Lizardmen Skaven Beastmen High Elves Dark Elves Bretonnia Tomb Kings Vampire Coast The Daemon Prince Ogre Kingdoms Warriors of Chaos Chaos Dwarfs *Be'lakor may not receive updates, or they will be released free This updates the factions more or less in release order, but also allows each pack to feel thematic in some sense or another (Beastie factions like Lizardmen/Skaven/Beastmen, or TK/Vampire Coast/Daemon Prince being called "Kings, Princes and Admirals). This way, The Game 1 factions are updated sooner rather than later and the most recent releases aren't being added to too soon. Bit of a left field guess as Legendary Hero additions in the DLC's and patches may be added in this pattern instead so as to keep the longtime players happy until their favourites from 1 & 2 get updated. Let me know what you think!

[@damianstuart9563]

It seems to me that it will be a Dechala if dls is associated with elves

[@Pinkerton000]

It will be Dark Elves. In both of the other DLCs, the two other factions are base races from different entries in the trilogy. Tzeentch with TWW3 races and Nurgle with TWW1 races. I think they are trying to avoid doing secondary DLCs for DLC races, or from separating race combinations between different trilogy entries too much. I know they did it before, add-on DLC for a DLC race, but I got the impression that they weren't super happy with that solution. And especially because the time they did it before was for Wood Elves, using them here would mean that a new player would need to buy 3 DLCs to have all the content for Wood Elves. They want the game to be as accessible to new players as possible. So, if they did, for sake of argument, Slaanesh, HE, and Vampires, a new player would need to buy all three TWW base games in order to use that DLC fully, which increases the barrier to entry. I think they are aware that they have created a game which suffers from the Paradox-like DLC overload when a potential new player looks into it. They would be smart to try not to make that even worse than it already is. So, following my marketing/business-based reasoning, that leaves TWW2 races, and I agree that HE and DE fit best. I think this also indicates that they didn't include the Khorne DLC in the roadmap because there will be no Khorne DLC in this series. If there is a Khorne DLC, it will probably be different.

[@biofoot7874]

I really, really hope they bring in the AoS stuff for the mono chaos factions! Blissbarb archers would be awesome for Slaanesh!

[@anon2752]

Hoping for new demon units not revealed yet, especially for slaanesh. Id like to see other aspects of the god besides sexuality. i want Gluttony, greed, sloth, etc. Other aspects of excess.

[@Doombot221]

Feel like malignant gaze would work very well as a bound spell type ability that you use on characters for assassinations. I think that stench or poison area of effect should maybe focus on reducing armor and weapon strength from what you described. I love mortis engine effects, tho slaanesh warshrines already have this effect, so not sure they would double it up on the basilisk

[@queekheadtaker4494]

While i think that your comment about 2 elves makes sense for the dlc, i could also see lizardmen being one of the options for the slannesh dlc as every dlc has focused around 1 chaos god + the 2 main order races

[@DoddyIshamel]

Dark elves are an order race

[@queekheadtaker4494]

@@DoddyIshamel Dark Elves are a Destruction race

[@samuelmcewen9011]

what lizardmen units are even missing.

[@queekheadtaker4494]

@@samuelmcewen9011 Arcanadon, Culchan, Skink Horned ones, Skink cold ones, Skink Skirmish Cav, etc

[@TheOrdomalleus666]

37:20 The master of the bombastic side-eye :P

[@Red13aron]

I think the tone of the DLCs will be set by Shadows of Change. Specifically with the Mono God factions. Either they're all gonna be mortal champions of the mono gods, like we got with the champions of chaos dlc, or more likely imo we'll get additional demon LL's. The problem with that is that I know that while Tzeentch, for example, has multiple possible Demon LL's, I don't know of anything like that for Slaanesh beyond the Masque and Na'kari.

[@DestroToCreate]

I believe it'll most likely be The Masque

[@MantismanTM]

Him: "Which is SUPER terrifying but SUPER cool." Me: "Ahh I see you're a man of culture as well."

[@RikRiorik]

Finally the game is starting to feel like it will be a glorious ride! For the first 6 months TWW3 was a bit of a drag even with all the new races and the new map. It felt a bit sloppy and no DLC for 6 months was beyond crazy. It started feeling better when the Champions of Chaos released especially because it released alongside Immortal Empires which had a much better map than I would have anticipated. When the Chaos Dwarfs released just now it has felt like the game has turned a corner well and truly and with just two of the future DLCs revealed one is left salivating at the mouth at the prospects of seeing what more is in store.

[@diogovieira5563]

you sill can auto resolve 95% of battles and that screams bad design with no difficult at all even in legendary.

[@Tortle-Man]

I don’t think that’s bad design. You could argue most of those battle wouldn’t be fun to fight all the time anyway. Part of the reason why we auto resolve so much is cause in Legendary, doomstacking is required which inevitably breaks the autoresolve bar. Legendary I’m general is poorly balance and kind of impossible to play without cheese.

[@Razielts1]

38:50 i feel like all chaos beasts should be added to Norsca, since they are monster hunters, they should hunt these creatures to unlock them. Getting a limited recruitment, or research / more successful hunts unlock more slots So, giant chaos spined Beast, cursd ettin, basilisk, cockatrice, chimera etc. What Slaanesh should get instead is a new unit. Time for daemons to get new units too.

[@Ratman36]

What I think is maybe high and dark elves.

[@weaponizedlizardmen360]

That would be the most thematic tbh. I'll hope for that as well but I can also see ogres filling a spot in there as well.

[@ProduccionesPaquito]

My personal bet is Slaanesh / High Elves / Lizardmen My logic is: First dlc is game 3 order races vs tzeench, dlc 2 is game 1 order races vs nurgle. I’d presume dlc 3 is game 2 order races vs She Who Thirsts. Therefore wood elves are out of the window, and while (most) dark elves are TECHNICALLY order aligned Lizardmen fill the slot much better. Fourth dlc could be literally anything but khorne / skaven (thanquol?) / ogres maybe? is the best thing I have to bet on, although if it’s not Thanquol it could be ANY other race (fingers crossed for a good bretonnia/norsca rework)

[@Aethgeir]

Way back in the day, you could get Shadow Warriors with shields. Maybe that could be a way to differentiate Sea Rangers from them: Drop the Stalking ability but make the sword-and-board archers for better melee defense and missile block chance.

[@yaeko4777]

If Wood Elves are in the DLC, I really hope they get more forest spirit units. It's such a cool part of their identity and what makes them especially unique compared to the other Elves. So I'd love to see it expanded on.

[@thentox4778]

2:00 ‘making their way….down’ We were one word away from greatness

[@liamcullen3035]

I think Dechala would be a shoe-in for a matchup against elves. But also… could this be the opportunity for CA to do a Norsca update? The Dark Elves really don’t need another expansion, just some legendary heroes. So instead, we could do a matchup of Slaanesh vs High Elves vs Norsca! One of the employees did say in an interview that they felt like Norsca was due an update.

[@jomonkey2758]

So. A few things. Slaanesh: dechala, if it’s elves vs slaanesh it has to be her. High elves: no notes. Dark elves: a possible unit would be a non regiment of renown of the dark Pegasus riders. Wood elves: nothin’ I don’t do wood elves mostly. Though I think some sylvaneth stuff could fit. I could see giant dragonfly riders showing up.

[@eomat]

Really want Araloth. CA could use the hawk animation for Aldebrand Ludenhof if and I really hope we do get the Elector Counts (Marius Leitdorf, Valmir von Raukov, Aldebrand Ludenhof and of course Graf Boris “Toddy” Todbringer.

[@odmloupi]

for Dark elves, statues of khaine, city guard (or call them tower guard if we ever get watchtowers), maelithi would all work. basilisks could also fit the roster, plus some ROR for older units (such as mengil manhides manflayers)

[@arnauddelaclos3221]

And the manticores riders !

[@nickmilan7858]

Made a comment on possible predictions a couple of videos ago with the third DLC for Slannesh going with High Elves and Dark Elves as well. Made sense even if I can't predict the lords or hero's, but glad to see were thinking the same way.

[@loganphillips2166]

I kind of like the idea of an assassin lord for dark elves. Increased ambush chance and plays like Snitch but with lots of bonuses towards shades and dark shards. Since I think there's no range focused lords I can think of for d.elves. A mix of Snitch and the shadow elf lord from high elves for campaign mechanics.

[@JL-ti3us]

Inspired by the Masque story of exploding out of a gluttonous person, wouldn't it be amazing if Slaanesh got like a cross between Bloated Corpses, Nurgle Demon Assets and Chaos Spawn as a monstrous infantry unit that had regen in combat from "eating" its enemies whilst it fought, but when a model is destroyed, it has a weaker explosion of what the Bloated Corpse does? Also this idea is weird because this means the Mark of Slaanesh doesn't equally apply to all of its sins.

[@AspectPL]

I feel like Slaanesh's third unit would be something new, using the age of sigmar template or the old designs. Maybe the forgeworld keeper of secrets or something.

[@mp5284]

Probably correct with an addition of some aos/ old world model

[@aic7tube]

or maybe borrowing form 40k and invent a WHFB version of Noicemarines :)

[@daangoes121]

Been waiting al day for this ❤

[@siffonzebra4981]

Unfortunately that makes a lot of sense. I just hope the next DLC is Nagash and they just slap so much vampire goodness in my face that i get resurrected after i die from it. It would make a lot of sense with the 100th lord falling into that not announced dlc after slannesh. But probably its khorne, nagash and something something vampire counts/coast or maybe tome kings, but they don't really need anything.

[@FalloutBattles]

For Dark Elves, here are my thoughts: LL: Tullaris Dreadbringer LH: Mengil Manflayer (I'd love as a LL too) Lord: Disciple of Khaine (Healer) Hero: Disciple of Khaine (Healer) UNITS: Avatar of Khaine (Beefcake) Sea Dragon / Helldrakes Aeskhaine (Blender Glasscannon) Manflayers / Knives of Khaine (Terror / Stalk / Vanguard / Anti-Inf) Lords of Oblivion (Flying Cavalry) Bonus: Merwrym from HE

[@raptonsoul2557]

you forgot the pleasureseeker which were a storm of chaos unit were deamonette were mounted on the boob snack and with does animation you can also make it a mount for the generic deamon characters

[@gHGhej]

So if you are looking, from the pervious information, base races are being used. Game 3 then 1, I say we have four options as I do not think they will be adding DLC to DLC for these as they are newer to catch the players who come from IE being opened up. Yes we think business side too. So High Elves and Dark Elves super lore friendly, although good time for the lizards to get some love plus they have a legendary hero. The rats are fine. I think it will Lizardmen and Dark Elves plus Slaanesh.

[@hangebza6625]

With the WE they appear to come in duos, one elf one forest spirit. Orion/Durthu, SoT/Drycha. I would like to see Araloth and Amamdi Irokbark. The later is a Tree kin who was an elf slain by slaaneshi elves. However he resurrected as a Tree kin, killed the daemons and still ruled his part of the forest, as he was able to retain his identity after becoming a Tree kin.

[@tylerdurden376]

to your last video: the reason i didn't see the sea dragon for cathay was because i thought it would come with aislinn. This has been teased a bit in-game. But you are absolutely correct in your assumption that the high elves could probably come with the slaanesh dlc. So maybe it really isn't a monkey king? :( But I still hope for it

[@ZKusand]

I really think it's going to be dechala. I'm convinced there will be a heralds of chaos dlc at some point with all the lesser demon lords and styrkaar is more warriors of chaos

[@bali4n1]

Yup, I'm also in the heralds of chaos DLC camp. Tamurkhan vs Elspeth von Draken is almost a given, which would also mean that Epidemus is off the table. Would sense to make a CoC-style heralds of chaos DLC then to add all 4 heralds at once later on.

[@jdurthu4304]

While Preaton is a stretch it would be grest continuation of the theme that any Chaos DLC can have unita for diferent Chaos factions. In add Vortex beast for Tzench, maybe some gigant spawn or this spiker hound for nurgle, Slaughter-something, or even Siege Gigant for Khorne and Preaton/basilisk for Slannesh. + god touched beasmen unit and we have amazing DLCs that can affact 3 Chaos factions at once!

[@drexalnewb1500]

I think it will probably be High Elves and Wood Elves against Slaanesh, because so far it's been all Order races against the Chaos Gods. So if we do High Elves and Wood Elves for Slaanesh's DLC, that leaves the last two Order races, Bretonnia and the Lizardmen, to fight Khorne.

[@DestroToCreate]

Logically sounded speculation so far. Didn't think of that. And then once it's over. They'll focus on chaos races fighting kislev, cathay, tomb Kings, and ogres.

[@JL-ti3us]

I like the idea that Archaon at some stage will get a set of four or five legendary heroes in the form of his liutenants as the dark mirror to the ubersreik five inspired heroes that markus wulfhart has.

[@archaoneverchosen5110]

Awesome video Sotek! Though I gotta say I personally think ogre kingdoms are a bit more likely as a third race. You could have it said that slannesh could be using the ogres greed and gluttony to try to manipulate them. Plus I think it would provide better faction and unit diversity. I just think ogres would have more to offer than the dark elves content wise. Plus I'm a bit biased cuz I love my chonk boys lol

[@johanneshjortshj8646]

I know they don't really have any direct relation to Slaanesh, but what about the vampire counts instead of the dark elves? We still have a few units missing from their roster, not to mention legendary lords and heroes. Plus, it would be a good oppurtunity to give the bloodsuckers a facelift.

[@danmorris5498]

na I really want the vamps to get a champions of chaos style DLC.

[@the_devils_jester]

I think it's gonna be high elves and vampires. That would fit the themes: CathayKislev=Northern defenders EmpireDwarfs=The worlds oldest alliance ElvesVampires=Ancient evils hiding in plain sight Also from a gameplay point of view high elves and woodelves don't really need a DLC right now, Vampires on the other hand are long overdue.

[@s7robin105]

I agree with your guess for factions on this one, but it would be cool to see the lizardmen get some love

[@nagashtheundyingking4404]

i will point out that in the dlcs revealed its all the OG good guy races so game 3 Cathay,Kislev game 1 dwarves and empire so wouldn't be suprised to see lizardmen high elves vs slaanesh and ofc elves fighting slaanesh wouldn't suprise me at all as they are very connected. really hope they change slaanesh a bit maybe make him some units that isn't sex based could be interesting to show of some of the other sins as slaanesh as a God is probably the one other then tzeentch i am more interested to learn more about.

[@krisgeorge3474]

The thing is, any legendary lords that get added to the game have to have a spot on the realms of Chaos map, so I think we need to look at which factions are left on that map that need updates. My guess is Brettonia vs Norsca, although maybe that could be part of the Khorne DLC? i'm not sure which one would make more sense.

[@chrisspink8873]

Since IE is free for all warhammer 3 players that’s not necessarily true anymore. While I’m sure we’ll still get campaigns for both modes, it is possible at some point we get some IE only dlc.

[@krisgeorge3474]

@@chrisspink8873 I mean maybe, but RoC is supposed to be the "Story mode" of the game, whereas IE is the sandbox where you set your own goals and do what you want. By CAs own reasoning the stories of these DLC should happen on the Realms map But then again, that's a rule until it isn't.

[@dannyshadbolt229]

I think im probbly the only person. But i really really want a Norsca exspansion or Beastmen.

[@swampselkie]

I don't think Wood Elves are likely this time around, but I'm still holding out for more expansions to the forest spirit roster - and there are definitely ways to do that without delving into AoS. Spites (as units rather than just add-ons) would be fantastic, although they might need to use some nurgling-style trickery in their implementation. The 8th edition strangleroot variant of treemen would also be very welcome. I remember being disappointed that we got zoats instead of either of those two back when T&T released.

[@Nolan65775]

I personally think that it's gonna be Dechala for Slaanesh with the Masque or Styrkaar as a LH, Finubar the Seafarer for the High Elves with Korhil or Caradryan as a LH, and finally Tullaris Dreadbringer for the Dark Elves with Shadowblade or Urian Poisonblade as LH.

[@kjones5052]

Boulder throwing treemen, incarnate elemental of life, treemen with archers on branches, cougars to name a few high Elf units

[@SicSemperCogitarius]

Shadows of Change is Chaos vs Game 3 races, Thrones of Decay is Chaos vs Game 1 races, I'd imagine pack 3 would be Chaos vs Game 2 races to balance out, so Lizardmen and Skaven... Kidding, at least one if not both factions will likely be game 2 Elves.

[@1701Emperor]

Hey! I love the 6th edition Daemonettes! I was also one of those mentioned teenagers at the time though.... huh...

[@busbee247]

I agree that high elves make sense to go with slaanesh but the other 2 elf races just dont have enough gas for a compelling lord pack, I'd rather go in a different direction and either do vampire coast or vampire counts, even something like norsca would be preferable

[@mj91212]

If they do end up all going with a theme-like setup, then the Khorne dlc might just be Khorne vs Bretonnia vs Greenskins.

[@acmaiden5236]

I can understand Greenskins but why Bretonnia? I was thinking more Khorne - Ogres - Norsca, mostly out of necessity for updates

[@mj91212]

@@acmaiden5236 You’re coming at it from the wrong direction, we’re talking about thematic rivalries, not what makes practical sense. Egil Styrbjorn, one of Khorne’s mightiest champions, had a personal rivalry with Bretonnia, which involved them kidnapping his baby momma because Morgiana le Fay had a vision that Egil’s unborn son would destroy Bretonnia in the future. I think there was even a short book about the whole thing, but the point is, Khorne and the Water missus got beef.

[@Living_with_Narcissists]

I concur with much of this, but I don't think they would put two Elven factions in the same DLC. Maybe one of the other ones pops up in the Khorne DLC after Slaanesh, but my guess is on the lizard-men for the third faction. Something like Distinctions of Temptation.

[@Zanzane7574]

I think you could have the AOS design for slangores if you make them a ushapti ranged type unit. So one smaller infinity sized then one larger ranged.

[@danielbrown6112]

I think it will be Slaanesh, High Elves, and Lizardmen.... based on a heavy need to revamp the lizardmen. Plus there appears to be a game 3 theme with kislev/Cathay, and a game 1 theme with empire/dwarves paired with a chaos mono vs two good..... so I believe it points to Lizardmen more than other elves. The Khorne one will have to feature Bretonia based on a heavy need to revamp them; and maybe there you will see Norsca as the 3rd or wood elves.

[@zefyrisd69]

I don't think Wood elves will receive another DLC, but if they were to receive another LH, there's also Wychwethyl available. he barely has any lore, but he technically has been around and available as a mini since the 90s. I think a wardancer LH could make a pretty cool / unique more minor LH, sicne they already have Ariel for the major one anyway.

[@nait5340]

maybe (hopefully) they just turn things around in the 2v1 department for part 3. i woud certainly not mind having a slaanesh + cult of pleasure versus high elves scenario, where the dark elves focus is less on the LL than on a proper rework for the cult of pleasure, including the annointed as regular lord and some pleasure guard units.

[@zaibakk9072]

If HE vs DE is the theme, this could be a nice occasion for the Incarnate Elemental of Fire (for HE) and the Incarnate Elemental of Death (for DE). Maybe you can also give those incarnate to other factions like what happaned for Beastmen in Shadows of Change DLC.

[@Rhinopotamus]

There is also the Lord of Karond Clar, Venhil Chillblade. He’s a bit more obscure, but a focus on Shades and Dark Riders would honesty be awesome. There is also the female Black Ark Admiral, can’t remember her name, and honestly the Black Ark Corsair/Pirate theme could be focused on more. Black Ark Fleetmaster (Lord), Black Ark Master (Hero), Black Ark Corsair Reavers (Great Weapons), Black Ark Corsairs (Repeating Crossbows), Spellthirster Hydra, and Pagowyrm.

[@Rhinopotamus]

I think we will see Wood Eves and Beastmen vs maybe Ogre Kingdoms down the line? Araloth vs Ghorros Warhoof vs Hunter Character / Yhetee Character? Could also see Beastmen vs Wood Elves vs Greenskins w/ Snagla Grobspit. I think with the three way Lord Packs we will get Gorfang Rotgut vs Kazador Dragonslayer vs Thanqoul. War Under the Mountain. I want that three way racial rivalry to show up in a DLC.

[@jordanm5569]

We know there has too be a game 1 race (because it says legacy race) which implies a game 1 race will be added. Two elf races sound the most practical but I’m thinking of the vampire counts getting new dlc

[@chrisspink8873]

Legacy race updates are Warhammer 1 and 2 races. Race update is just warhammer 3 races. So no there doesn’t need to be a game 1 race since legacy is both prior games.

[@jordanm5569]

@@chrisspink8873 ahhh thanks for the clear up 👍

[@chrisspink8873]

@@jordanm5569 all good mate!

[@diogoteixeira4950]

To me, if the first dlc are the Blue Scribes than this will pratically confirm that they are trying to put all the giga heralds into the game.

[@Tortle-Man]

GOD I hope not. I do NOT want the heralds as paid DLC. They really should be FLC characters with some fun unique mechanics, but really just a spin on the base mechanics for that Gods faction. I would be PISSED if they made us pay for the unique heralds for each god.

[@fidelcashflow4940]

​@@Tortle-Manthis^ heralds for each dlc is the worst possibly

[@diogoteixeira4950]

​@@Tortle-Man I really can't see the problem of the heralds being paid dlc. Each one of them has some very unique gimmicks that could make for some cool paid dlc mechanics (Blue Scribes with the collecting of spells and shards of Tzeentch, Epidemius with the tally of disease, Masque with her performances and Skulltaker being more focused on killing individual enemies rather than hordes), FLC lords are all pretty inferior to paid dlc lords in terms of the content they bring and I think the giga heralds deserve to have their own unique special big mechanics and have a lot of polish and thought put into them. Could you elaborate on why you think the Heralds being the ones for the next dlc's is a negative thing more?

[@beardedfreckle]

If I’m not mistaken by this dlc we would be getting legendary lords 98,99, and 100. I’m hoping number 100 is bigger than a high elf or dark elf.

[@alagass6466]

I figured the theme was as simple as Tzeentch vs the 2 new "Good Races" of TWW3. Then Nurgle vs the 2 Oldest "Good Races" inthe game from game 1. That would leave High Elves and Lizardmen as the 2 remaining Good guys as the starters of Game 2.

[@marcinwojcik5476]

Personally I think they will use End Times units and RoRs like Silverin Guard to fill the army rosters.Another alternative would be making regiment champions into units (shadowdancers). With that they should have enough to justify another Elf DLC

[@JL-ti3us]

I wonder if CA will ever consider just, idk, a dlc of three or four characters (per faction) and no units. Maybe they could reframe it as a Lord Pack (a pack of literally just lords and heroes)

[@Blecco]

100% on the WE. I think it's gonna be hard get another DLC for them but can do well with characters. That said, taking a page from your old book, we could get the captains as units with some difference. Ripperdactyl like sky cav with the Wind Riders. Eternal Wardens, maybe with Sword and with Asrai Spears, but that's about it. Not even big monsters. So many characters though. Before being swamped by work I was toying with some light modding to make the above, have some more time now so we'll try to get back at it. But to that point, that's kinda where I see mods coming in for factions. There's really nothing more needed in terms of units. Would love some FLC lords and heroes though. And yes, Shadowdancers being the big miss in this.

[@sterbenreaper6363]

Someone who loves Slaanesh I hope they really add more to it cause they have some really amazing characters. She is very downplayed through out Warhammer which is sad, if they indulge more in the other parts instead of the sex part will really be interesting

[@diogovieira5563]

if they add a char that when you play him your prostate get stimulated,it will be the most playerd ever.

[@Daiciyomon_4594]

Slaanesh, vampire count and Greenskin Kingdom of Ind Khorne, High Elves and Norsca

[@Canuovea]

ElfLC? You know what that means! High Elves? Skycutters, baby! With variants! Woo! Merwyrms, maybe (backport into that quest battle)? Mariners? Stormweavers (could also be a unit)? Sea Rangers as kind of similar to Glade Guard? I dunno. The Anointed of Asuryan as a Lord would make sense, but Seahelms, of course, fit best. Might be heroes, though. Aislinn? Give me boats! BOATS! Dark Elves? Khaine statue constructs? Boarding Pike Corsairs, or Spearsairs (maybe)? Hag Queens? Other Dark Elf stuff can no doubt pop up. You know. More sea monsters? Sea Dragon? Angry Executioner boi? Could also be Araloth, I suppose. There IS an unoccupied Wood Elf forest in Cathay... but that seems more FLC level. I dunno, can't think of any accompanying units the Wood Elves should get. Oh. Shadowdancer. Sure. Legendary Heroes? Kouran and Korhil, would be my guess. Both are the left or right hands of their respective Kings. Could also be Shadowblade, I guess. Don't care about Slaanesh much... but lets face it, Dechala sounds reasonable. Then again, so would the Masque. I doubt Styrkar will be around... because that seems more Warriors of Chaos, doesn't it? We've already got Sigvald and Azazel. Bland. Boring. Not fun like snake-elf and dancy daemon. Nonetheless, I think the Masque or Styrkar could also be one of the Legendary Heroes, but Dechala seems less likely. I dunno. Units? Lets see. Slaangors, for sure. Steed of Slaanesh cav seems likely too. There does seem to be a lot of Chaos units that sort of lean towards one of the four Chaos gods, but could easily be undivided. Basilisk here. Mutalith Vortex Beast? Chimera? What if some of those come in these packs and then get applied to the other Chaos factions too? Like, Beastmen should get access to godgors as well, and Taurox should get the Khorne Minotaurs. Hmm. Actually, Centigors getting a Slaanesh variant would make sense. More magic for both Dark Elves and Wood Elves makes sense.

[@Grobcio]

Dark elf need some elite infantry with shields, pretty armored and sturdy frontiers, just for catching up in game roasters.

[@glendaal67]

Now after Thrones of Decay seeing what Thrones of Decay really has to offer I would say Slaanesh will probably have only a single dlc, unless they are expanded in the Old World. So for me it makes the most sense if Dechala is the dlc lord, Masque would be a dlc legendary hero and Styrkaar flc lord. That would give us the most important characters in a one pack and all Slaanesh units that are still missing.

[@drunkrumjack]

I think they'll tackle WE with a DLC that features beastmen as well but not the next one. Summer of 2024 will likely be a Khorne themed but who be the other two? Bretonnia? Norsca? Greenskins? Tomb Kings? Vampire Counts? Vampire Coast? Lizardmen? Opps forgot Skaven too assuming their missing something.

[@mirchiamemeina1524]

You compared AoS Slaangors to Fiends, but wouldn't your interpretation have a lot of crossover with Daemonettes and Exalted Daemonettes? Fast shock infantry with high AP and attack meant to buzzsaw infantry? Maybe a differentiating factor would be to make them anti-large, in addition to, y'know, being mortal vs daemonic.

[@Doombot221]

Def think this is elves, dark elves, and slaanesh. I was a bit surprised you didn't bring it Dechala because of her lore as an elf taken by slaanesh worship. Think she could be a shoe in for the slaanesh lord, tho would love to see the Masque or styrkaar in it

[@ricardomora9913]

The mask is the example of a Daemon trying to do something good for someone and gets cursed because for it haha.

[@chenli9778]

I think is that possible that Slaanesh would have a Brand new Centigor Unit? Maybe throwing axes so giving Slaanesh some missile options...

[@aminbayat8742]

what i hope for this dlc is that they bring all elf god effects(like corruption from darkgods)to the game so that like darkelfs begin to choose what god they want to lean into

[@totalwardad]

Slaanesh + High Elves + Dark Elves = Morathi having a GREAT time. ;)

[@redrook]

I would like if we got Slaangors as a ranged unit. Chaos outside of Tzeentch doesn't have a ton of range and an elite unit of raiders adds something unique to Slaanesh and potentially gives Beastmen an elite ranged unit it didn't have before.