First Dual Analog Controller Ever: PlayStation Analog Joystick - Rare Obscure or Retro - Rerez

[@BIGBOICOMBO]

- The wood table - the Tube-frame glass furniture - The back cables - the White square PAL Tv that was so nostalgic i went to my parents house and asked mom for my Tekken 3 CD case

[@navycalvin9337]

*"Why Can't I Strafe? There's a Missile Coming Right for Me! ANGHH-"* -Rerez

[@GameSack]

I assume you know that they did release a twin stick for the Saturn that was used for Virtual On... in Japan.

[@rerez]

Yup that is right! However from what I could tell (I could be wrong) this device predates the twin stick by almost a year or so.

[@Clara_Page]

there also was some 3rd party analogue arcade stick for the saturn where you could switch which side the stick was (for Leftys I assume) but if you happened to have a spare joystick side you could atach it to the other side and have dual analogue input.. apparently panzer dragoon supports that mode I've never seen one for sale though

[@rerez]

Thanks! :D

[@NeoTechni]

It's not actually analog. It's 2, 4-way joysticks.

[@solonsaturngaming3727]

@@rerez i had ine of thosesticks as i was one of the two people who had a Saturn and my dad at the time had both Japese and NA Saturns and i was hooked on the Saturn Virtual-On on it.i moght get it again

[@thedungeondelver]

I feel it salient to mention that my friend Eric Petersen wrote Mechwarrior II; he passed away one year ago next week. Miss ya, dude.

[@The8BitDuke]

This was way cool! This controller just looks like a sophisticated accessory for the time. The only big arcade stick or anything like that I ever had was the one with the Sega Saturn, and to this day it's a favorite, but it's not like this. This just looks sweet. Loved the skits too, Shane! Awesome video!

[@firefly4f4]

I do wish Rerez still released videos like this. Most of the new stuff seems to concentrate on bad games or hardware, but stuff like this - glimpses into the past - I really love

[@alkestos]

There's only so much retro stuff to go through. There wasn't an infinite amount of funny controllers done.

[@hibikino]

I still got one of these in storage and it worked a treat for Descent. BTW you CAN strafe in Descent... you use the hat switch to strafe as well as move vertical from your current orientation.

[@GameSack]

So I was in the wild and I found one of these sitting on a store shelf or somewhere and the price was pretty good, so I picked it up! $20! I actually thought about this video while in the store (or somewhere, like your video says). I also picked up Decent complete for $5 because why not? Not to find some superglue to glue the cardstock back to the plastic part of the box.

[@KasumiRINA]

Oh, PS1 strafing... Syphon Filter used shoulder buttons for that. Tomb Raider had sidestep "mode", like original DOOM on PC except much slower. Metal Gear just opted for top-down camera with 4-way run like in 2D games, and in vast majority of games, sidestepping was an overnight, with only last few games like Alien having dual analog controls of shooters today.

[@Turboencabulator]

It was possible to strafe with the hat switch. In fact, you can strafe while moving in any axis simultaneously! this was one of my all time favorite controllers and I absolutely loved Descent.

[@rerez]

If you want to see more footage of other games that use the Analog features take a look at VectrexRoli's awesome video on the controller! :) PlayStation Analog Joystick SCPH-1110 Review

[@VectrexRoli]

Thanks for the shoutout, one of my early videos where I didn´t have the "right mixture" how my channel should look like, but at least it could be the review with the strongest Austrian accent on whole KZbin... ;-)

[@rerez]

It's a great video! :) When I found my controller your video was one of the first ones I watched to start doing research on it.

[@VectrexRoli]

***** When I bought my controller it was damn hard to find proper games for it. I did some image search on Google to see the backside of the PS1 covers and what was quite strange that some NTSC releases had the analog joystick logo, but PAL didn´t and vice versa, but both versions had support for it. There was a Wikipedia article about that thing but I had to correct some games on the game list there as there was quite some wrong information.

[@mustaNd2733]

Could you try the controller with Ace Combat 2 or just do a review of it? I would really appreciate that. By the by, I subscribed.

[@rerez]

I'll see if I can find a copy of Ace Combat 2. I don't think I have ever played that before.

[@AureliusWhite]

Was about to eat some noodles but had nothing to watch, refreshed and boom rerez. Great timing :) Another great episode!

[@jetfire851]

VirtualOn! I was (and still sort of am) obsessed with that game, partly because I'm a giant robot fan but mostly because of the awesome cabinets. This makes me feel so nostalgic.

[@rstanyan]

One thing I remember with the PC version of Descent was that I could strafe in it. I used the CH Flightstick Pro and the hat switch peformed strafing.

[@rerez]

Didn't happen with this version. Mostly because it's not as customizable as a PC.

[@rstanyan]

I remember in the instruction booklet the control explaination had them introducing the new Pyro using keyboard + mouse for controls!

[@Clara_Page]

You could strafe in the old PC shooters Doom, Duke 3D ect but you held down a button usually shift whilst moving left or right, so strafe circling was impossible without actually setting buttons to left strafe and right strafe

[@Sirynx77]

***** Yes it is, you can set your own button layout and yes you can strafe in the game. With or without the PlayStation Analog Joystick. In the game is called "Slide," I did the same as Ryan Stanyan mentioned, I would map the hat switch on the PlayStation Analog Joystick to "Slide" the ship up, down, left and right. The same was true on the PSOne sequel "Descent Maximum" which is a version of the PC original "Descent 2" with some extra levels. Oh and the remix soundtrack was actually originally featured in the Macintosh version of the game.

[@TheDaoOfLatino]

As a big Playstation nut I probably should have picked up this beast (and possibly a Pelican arcade stick) a long time ago. Maybe this holiday season I'll track both down. Great review too. I'd love you to go through this again with more non-traditional controllers in your collection.

[@eins2001]

That dual stick is pretty much meant for Descent

[@That_Handle]

When it's plugged in, there is specific, niche support for it as well as, occasionaly, a matching on-screen visual of the Analog joystick in the controls mapping / calibrations menu... I wanna say in Ace Combats 2 and 3, Bogey: Dead 6, the Colony Wars series except Red Sun, and, possibly, Gunship and Independence Day. Works great on a few PS2 games that are already listed on Wikipedia but a missed mention for which I think it's almost required because the DS2 thumb sticks can throw you into the cliff faces, for example, is the RPG aerial combat game Rebel Raiders: Operation Nighthawk. The analog joysticks allow you to weave through the canyons with ease albeit not via a true, HOTAS-style config. but both sticks do get used.

[@findantu]

STEEL battalion

[@vikingnortheast]

indeed, i still have my ps1, this stick and that game

[@Striderserge]

You're controller videos are great and this is def the best. I love the little skits you had when you talked about the controls. You in your 70s outfit talking jive with that wig was freaking hilarious as balls.

[@rerez]

Haha, thanks! :)

[@Poormangamer]

Great episode. You had a lot of fun with the blue screen. I'm surprised that I completely missed this peripheral when it came out.

[@rerez]

Poor Man Gamer It's a cool one. I've seen it around at a few shops, I recommend getting it! :)

[@donhonk]

You should take a look at the analog controller that pre-dates the dualshock! The SCPH-1180.

[@AsahinaZatsu]

Loved the "Oh no!" segments. You're awesome, man. Thanks for all the smashing videos.

[@EpicGameMusic]

Who is Shane and what have you done with Garry?

[@ItsaDogandGame]

great video shane! It was worth the wait. I've never seen one of these beasts in the wild and your review was entertaining and thorough. those little skit sections... man... I had 90s fmv flashbacks. don't worry, I've quelled the nosebleed.

[@IWillResurface]

Man, this made me miss the Jet Moto series! They should bring it back.

[@TotalNinjaLover]

So I stumbled upon one of your vids today (nuon console), and I'm on my third video in a row. Good stuff, I love nostalgic gaming! I just subbed, keep up the great videos!

[@rerez]

xxxMrMorbidxxx Thanks! :)

[@zakizdaman]

Vigilante 8 is great love that game from back in the day

[@juanbb00]

LOVE! your kramer pic in the back 😊

[@johntyler3544]

I like this video but...the N64 had an analog control stick, not a digital stick, thats why you can control whether Mario walks or runs by how far you tilt the stick in Super Mario 64 for example.

[@SirManguydude]

john tyler False. The standard, first party N64 controller used Optical Encoding disks to determine the position of the stick, thus making it a digital stick. Many third party controllers use potentiometers, which were much cheaper, which were analog. Optical encoding disks is why your controller will retain any position that the thumbstick is in when you power on the console/plug in the controller. This is because the N64 will determine that position as "0" and thus when the joystick goes to center, it will be detected as out of center by the games.

[@johntyler3544]

SirManguydude The optical disks sounds like a bad idea, why not just have the stick actually be analog?

[@SirManguydude]

john tyler Better precision, way more accurate. Significantly quieter, easier to fix, harder to break. Various reasons, which is why all thumbsticks are digital nowadays.

[@johntyler3544]

SirManguydude Really? The N64 controller from what I've seen has all those problems and I didn't know people even tried to fix them, I thought you could only buy replacements and people still call thumbsticks analog sticks so...

[@SirManguydude]

Remember, this was still 96, so the technology was still in its infancy.

[@HeadStrongElite]

thank you so much rerez, i found this controller at a retro store for 15 bucks, and this controller is so awesome.

[@WickedGamerCollector]

seeing you playing decent with the controller... now i want it !! 😁

[@Nerdy8BitGhost]

Great video dude! Didn't know this controller existed but now I really want to have one!

[@yuriivashchenko7668]

Glad I waited til the end of this before looking things up. First thing I thought of when I saw this was MechWarrior 2

[@Xodyak]

Don't know if this has already been brought up, but you CAN strafe in Descent with this. You just use the hat switch. Anyway, I bought this mostly due to this video. Thanks!

[@medleysa]

Great overview! As soon as I saw it, I thought of Steel Battalion. Great minds think alike, huh? Very fun video.

[@Official930Studios]

Tekken 3, BustAMove 4, Test Drive, Frogger...my test subjects.

[@ohmlord]

Can't believe this was 4 years ago. Great video

[@chrishughes9320]

I really digg your videos. Keep em coming, please.

[@rerez]

Will do! :D

[@afterburner94]

Laughed so hard at the Tomcat Alley taped up case! :D nice Easter Egg!

[@rerez]

You will also notice the DeLorean that flew by my head in the latest Positives as well! Some other stuff in that shot will be in future episodes. :)

[@afterburner94]

I just did watch that last vid man, your Positives/Negatives series are really nicely done. I don't regret subscribing to you a few months ago! Props from France!

[@rerez]

afterburner94 Merci beaucoup :)

[@poorlymadeproduction]

I was hoping you would be playing descent as soon as I saw the controller its self.

[@rerez]

How could I not! :D

[@GettingYourNerdOn]

This looks awesome. I never heard about this for some reason. I love that it can work with all ps1 games, because one of my biggest gripes with the 'Steel Battalion' controller is that it is only compatible with two games.

[@connorknobel4406]

Love your videos! You're funny but informative and unique with the topics of your videos! Keep making 'cause you deserve a crud ton of views and subscribers!

[@feisar20]

You should've tried ace combat 3 with this controller

[@rerez]

Locomamonk Well I think you might see more like that in the future. :)

[@ChipSonic]

how does that involve the video

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

Descent reminds me a lot of Tunnel B1 with that DOOM/Duke Nukem feel.

[@marakarthegreat]

I wonder, can you use a dualshock instead of the dual analog stick controller for the games that are compatible with that dual analog stick controller

[@elbryan42]

Love this joystick! One of the best controllers I've ever used, and I never regret getting one. Amazing with Descent. :)

[@elbryan42]

Oh, I forgot to mention, you can strafe left, right, up and down. You can set every button individually in the options menu. This controller works great for the PC as well, with a USB controller.

[@Sirynx77]

elbryan42 Correct, finally someone that mentioned this.

[@That_Handle]

elbryan42 , Which driver is recommended for use on PC?

[@TheNickMontgomery]

Descent and Vigilante 8 were some of my most re-played games in my youth. Didn't even have full versions of either, just the demo versions that featured one level. But they were so damn fun to play! Now I'm going to on the lookout for versions to pick up somewhere.

[@LoffNYR]

Playing Ace Combat 2 with this thing was badass back in the day. The left stick was used as the throttle/brake and the overall handling felt incredible. The joystick was pretty fragile though. Those rubber thingies at the bottom of the sticks popped out pretty quick.

[@chancestevenson8900]

You know, the main reason i subbed is, cause your such a cool guy

[@RogueVigilante]

lol " Woah man this joystick is just drive turkey "

[@electromika]

I also love how you edit the video! By the way, Vigilante 8? That game was near damn hard to me.

[@MackDaddi]

I know I'm seven years late, but Seriously you didn't even mention Colony Wars. Probably one of the best reasons to own this controller.

[@SEIFER69]

Did you play MW2 with the view zoomed in the whole time? I had the Dual Analog Controller which preceded the Dualshock in the UK & didn't have rumble features. Oddly it has larger handles & I preferred it for that. It had a button to switch between 3 modes indicated by an LED. Off was digital, Red used the left Analog stick only I think & Green was Dual Analog mode. The only time I used the Green mode was in MW2 to let me zoom back out once I'd zoomed all the way in. And got stuck that way lol. Can't believe that's almost 30 years ago. I still remember the Mechwarrior soundtrack was awesome.

[@sistaledaren]

I remember playing Tony Hawk with the Dace Pad for DDR :D It was awesome

[@AmySay]

I really like your reviews! I hope you'll make more reviews! New subscriber!

[@rerez]

I have new videos out every week! Sometimes more than one! :D

[@electromika]

Yay! Another re-rez! :D I like the show so much.

[@clawofthefallen]

It's also a great way to play the arcade edition of Virtual On emulated on your computer. The alternative is hooking up two flightsticks and figuring out how to make both work independently with some configuring on the emulator.

[@RRW359]

Independence day works with this! unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work with the Duelshock (or at least the Duelshock 2) analogue sticks.

[@blarpo7385]

i love how he uses a crockett's theme remix in the background while he reviews.

[@loupetron]

Great work as usual! Am I seeing some Alton Brown's style bubbling up? I like it.

[@FlutterBug]

Ooh, Descent looks really fun! I wanna play that now!

[@n64glennplant]

i wish you had rebel assault to test this with! loved that on pc and 3do, think this controller would be cool for it!

[@rerez]

I have Rebel Assault on the PC, and I don't have an adapter for this controller to work on the PC. :P

[@n64glennplant]

yeah but rebel assault on ps1....it was released here in PAL i don't know about NTSC though for ps1

[@jamesstewart5005]

I got mine at a pawn shop about a decade ago for $16. Works great for a lot of PC games using an adapter especially with games like AquaNox and Vendetta Online.

[@CazMeister]

8:20 80s Rerez? Groovy. At any rate, that's a pretty neat controller, but man is it weird. It seems like Sony's attempt to craft an arcade stick for the Playstation, for which it looks like it would work, but it's hard to see someone play a JRPG with it, metal as that would be.

[@Furbantofu909]

Mechwarrior 2 had a torso that you could adjust so you could avoid enemy fire.. we had also had to learn how to make up for lag back then too. which made it more skilled when playing online in the leagues. That's what we used for strafe...

[@Herowebcomics]

Wow! This controller is crazy! But also amazing!

[@smgzilla4933]

Wow I actually didn't know of this controller's existence. Must have been under some sort of rock! I'd love to see how well games like Robopit 2 and maybe the PS1's Doom play with this, would be interesting.

[@KaleidoscopeMan67]

I haven't seen these games since I was like 6! Nostalgia!!!

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

btw you can sorta strafe in mw2, need to go in the options and select a configuration that allows torso twist, its like when a tank turns its turret

[@BonkedByAScout]

I just bought one of these, got it in yesterday. I made a bluetooth adapter for it so I can use it on a PC or almost all of my video game systems with blueretro adapters now. It plays great with d2x-xl.

[@marakarthegreat]

for descent, you can map the left x axis for the strafing

[@adultmoshifan87]

I got a Dual Analog controller a few weeks ago, and I tried its flightstick mode on Ace Combat 3, and it works really well! Even if it did feel funny using the right stick instead of the left to navigate the menus...

[@JL0ndon]

The thing about mechwarrior if you look back to the early 90s on a program from the U.K. Called bad influence you will see Mechwarrior using a T1 line and giant "pods" strewn about a room. The controller was even more advance than the one you showed for the Xbox. Each pod had walls of buttons and lights. You have to check it out. The only thing is you and your team had to go to a VR center. But at the time there were several of these arcades. During the experience you could even go to an old rotary phone from the 1900s set up with a small LCD and camera to have video phone calls with your opponents from of the other centers. I kinda wish these places existed like they did back in 1994. My dad used to play this when I was a kid and he was a programmer so you can imagine he and all his programmer friends (mullets, thick glasses and polo shirts included) would go out to Glendale to play. There were a lot of younger players too, who would spend all week at school making strategys with their friends at recess. Idk it looked like fun getting in one of those pods and going to kick some mech suit butt!

[@Trialwolf]

Wow, I just found a copy of Vigilante 8 for PS1 this morning, got it for free to as it had some stickers on the CD. Was able to clean it up and it plays great.

[@hypermetalsonic]

This would be a pretty cool thing for them to bring back, especially with Morpheus.

[@TheDasFaust]

Mechwarrior 2 on the PC with the Gravis Firebird was an awesome experience.

[@ianvdeventer5428]

Still remember pretending to be sick and playing descent all day...

[@sakulalepak]

Few people adapted this controller for use with modern games. Search "Wireless SCPH-1110" on YT

[@amango7925]

k

[@ssisnake]

im just happy someone besides me knows what vigilante 8 is

[@andrewtaylor940]

neat classic controller. The only thing it really could have benefited from would have been the ability to "twist" left and right on at least the Right hand stick. That was a later feature added to many PC Joysticks of the day and would have given you yoru strafe functionality.

[@KahlessTheUnforgettable]

No sir. The strafe mode would have to have been intentionally programmed into the game for it to be utilized. It doesn’t matter what input features are available on any given input device.

[@MisterRorschach90]

That controller looks amazing.

[@PerkinsVR]

Rerez's reaction to not being able to strafe is why i refuse to play Resident Evil 4

[@VectrexRoli]

One of my favorite joysticks there are some nice games supporting that thing. Often it is hard to find out which game is really making use of the SCPH-1110 in analog mode. If you use the little suction cups that came with it it does not slide so much around on your table.

[@rerez]

Mine didn't actually come with the suction cups. I believe the original owner lost them at some point! :(

[@AwesomeShocker]

I can't describe the feeling I got when I saw that Steel Batallion controller.

[@jacobtownsend8649]

I have been waiting forever for someone to finally appreciate the Vigilante 8 series as much as I do. I love the Twisted Metal series but Vigilante 8 has always been my favorite

[@rerez]

+Dr. Chaos V8 was so awesome. I wish they would make an HD remake of the first two games for modern systems! (The one they made for Xbox Live wasn't so good in my opinion)

[@jacobtownsend8649]

+Rerez holy hell u replied lol. yea I had the one on Xbox live as well as V8 1 and 2. it just wasn't the same. it was ok if u were coming fresh to the series I guess but for long time fans like me and u it just wasn't what we wanted

[@rerez]

Dr. Chaos Who knows, maybe some day we will get a new entry into the series. :)

[@jacobtownsend8649]

+Rerez Hopes and prayers lol.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

I've still got my fingers crossed for a new Interstate 76, the PC game V8 was a spinoff from.

[@vulpixsmi]

Love to see someone try and complete Bubsy 3D with this.

[@jamescadd642]

Gotta get me one of these!!! used to see it in some video showcasing all PS-1 accessories had some sort of martial art theme about enlightenment !!!!

[@FullMetal-Tech]

WHAT ABOUT ACE COMBAT 3!?!?!?!?!?!

[@midorifox]

4:13 Armored Core did tried that Strafe option. But it sucks - If you have an analog controller, you got to disable the analogs. you'll then use the R and L buttons to look up, down, right and left. The D.Pad will make you move around. Yet, I think that's silly that you got to disable the analogs because of the developer's fault. I wonder if Armored core and ace combat can be played well with this controller.

[@That_Handle]

LingFox , Don't know about Armored Core but Ace Combat 2 and 3 are so much better with this controller - the SCPH-1110 ( except without any rumble benefits ) - but sadly support didn't carry over to the Ace Combat series on PS2. I did come across a PS2 NTSC-U flight game that did support this controller called "Rebel Raiders: Operation Nighthawk" which played better than the DualShock2 as the SCPH-1110 allows for nuanced flight control through canyons without the errors from dual thumbsticks easily over-controlling and flying into the cliffs. The analog flight sticks are proportional while offering a long sweep as well as the button mapping seemingly made for this controller. I find it puzzling how Rebel Raiders' button mapping is so well-matched for this controller when the support had long died off.

[@Dj-Mystix]

I've recently have discovered this channel and been watching your videos on daily basis (especially the It's just bad series). You guys produce some of the best and highest quality gaming videos I have seen on youtube. Just subbed to Patreon. Keep making amazing content. This is some of the best youtube has to offer on content related to gaming.

[@TheMortualShow]

Your Kramer painting is the best

[@firstnamelastname-oy7es]

8:19: There is a car that actually has a Joystick to steer with instead of a steering wheel, it's called the Saab Prometheus. There are also others, but the Prometheus actually has _No_ Steering wheel at all. So you have to used the digital joystick to steer the car. It was part of a European program to make cars safer and cleaner, and the engineers figured that removing the steering wheel would make the car safer in crashes, because the driver wouldn't bang their head on the wheel. But it failed, because driving with the stick was awful. The smallest turn would make the wheel turn a long way, which is hard to get used to. And the stick isn't as comfy as a wheel, because there is nothing to rest your arm on, so for longer journeys it would be very uncomfortable to drive.

[@kidaisinyou]

I remember renting one of these with wing commander when i was a kid, good stuff

[@sdude009]

only liked this because of VIGILANTE 8!!! 2nd OFFFENSSEE *WOOHOOHOO HOOO*

[@DrewberTravels]

I always thought this looked so cool as a kid.

[@GameplayCrush]

The first dual analog controller was for the sega megadrive / genesis, never released outside japan, but all the afterburner games support the analog controls

[@littlemacisunderrated412]

That would be cool if they looked at it

[@TekMoliGy]

This controller looks awesome. I really want to get one so when people come over and see me playing my ps1 they know im a total badass/ ultimate nerd lol. Plus it looks like it would actually help on a lot of games i bet. Especially fps games. Also you really should have tried out a game where you fly airplanes or something similar to panzer dragoon maybe.

[@sgtjasonbond]

Huh I didn't realize you can play Vigilante 8 with this joystick. Kinda cool actually since honestly Vigilante 8 was one of the games that helped me get into gaming actually so I guess it just has a special place in my heart. I also bought Vigilante 8 and 2nd offense I believe at the same time because those 2 are pretty fun games without a doubt while I do like Twisted Metal, Vigilante 8 if I remember correctly was based off the Oil Crisis in the 1970's or at least an alternative universe to it. I also found this joystick on eBay for cheap so I thought why not give it a shot. But since I know now I can play Vigilante 8 with it, that should be interesting.

[@Tentacle]

We spoke about this before on Skype, but I'd love to see what you think about the NeGcon for the Playstation if you ever get the chance to use one. Known as "The Twist" by some, its well... It's a unique controller to say the least.

[@GLJosh]

Could you review the Dreamcast Panther? I freaking loved that controller!

[@rerez]

I'll see if I can find one. :)

[@samkollmeier753]

The man never blinks!

[@evilkinggumby]

strangely when i first got to play descent it was on my old pc and the only controller I had at the time was a gravis gamepad knockoff. So i had a d-pad and 4 buttons layed out similar to a snes. I made the top and bottom buttons forward and reverse, and the left and right the lasers/shoot and the map button the "start" and it worked really well. so seeing that monster control it makes me laugh. I have to wonder what other games can be played with 'minimalist' controll yet still be fun.

[@lingux_yt]

you haven't aged a day, sir

[@johnalbertson79]

Unless you're a child or have been afflicted by a major disease most people don't age very much in a just a few years.

[@lingux_yt]

@@johnalbertson79 almost five years. that's much time