First Flight in Cirrus Vision Jet G2+ | Montgomery KMYF to Big Bear Lake KL35 V2

[@patrickmorrissey8754]

Great video! The complete view of the PFD/MFD and the touch screen controllers during flight shows the functionality of the system better than any other KZbin video on the VisionJet. The dialogue on the auto throttle and the different ways to bring up the airport information provided good insight into those two aspects of the G3000 capability. Kudos to the folks at GARMIN! I am going to be watching the video many times to digest all the information presented. Thank you! Just curious…the age and experience of the pilot? Patrick from Albuquerque

[@PersonalWings]

Hi Patrick - This is Rich and I'm glad you enjoyed the video (we will have more up shortly). I'm 67 ATP/CFI Single/Multi-engine with 12,000+ hours and have flown 400 aircraft representing 110 makes/models, and a bunch of type ratings. I currently teach in a number of jets, turboprops, and some high-performance piston aircraft and write for a few aviation magazines as well --- this is my 'retirement from academia' gig.

[@patrickmorrissey8754]

@@PersonalWings Rich Thanks for the reply! Patrick

[@matt922432010]

Awesome video it makes me very proud to be a flight test avionics specialist on these jets! I will say they are not always the easiest planes to work on but seeing them preform well along with making a pilot at the stick happy absolutely makes my day. Again, great video you guys knocked it out of the park! -Matt

[@PersonalWings]

Matt - thanks for the comment. As a pilot, and sometimes aircraft tinkerer that has helps many an avionics install, I appreciate the dedication and efforts that experts like yourself expend on our behalf. The plane is fun to fly, and one of the reasons is how well the systems are integrated. I have another article on the Vision Jet (my 5th) in the upcoming June 2022 issue of Twin & Turbine.

[@djytonly5653]

What a nice video! I'm not a pilot, but I just got the Vision Jet for the sim. And watching this helped me a lot to understand how it works. Amazing views on this beautiful route. This airplane always reminds me of my new electric car: cute, light, small (only as "big" as neccecary), powerful until a certain speed, fits into small places, and is always a pleasure to ride.

[@Sesulak]

Exactly. Especially auto-throttle explanation was very useful.

[@PersonalWings]

The Vision Jet is a well designed, and marketed, aircraft. I was just flying it again last week and you are correct - the views are amazing. We have other Vision Jet videos on our channel and will be publishing more - when we have more time on the ground! Thanks for watching.

[@CristianCalhoun]

Beautiful! I went home and flew this route right away in the sim. :))) Thank you for the great insight! (Y)

[@PersonalWings]

Thanks and we are glad you enjoyed it! you can check out our other videos on the Vision Jet, Eclipse Jet, Cessna 206, CJ, as well. We also have 360 VR videos in the Eclipse from KMYF into KSAN, and through the Caribbean. They would be nice on the sim. If you need any route details for loading in the sim flight plans, just let us know and we can post them if it helps. Rich and Tigre.

[@CristianCalhoun]

@@PersonalWings Thank you! Oh yeah, I would be tremendously grateful for interesting route tips! I flew to Big Bear City this morning too, when I realized that I had just practiced ILS approach so far with this airplane but not RNAV, so this is something that I have to learn quickly, because I could land, yeah, but it wasn't too perfect, and I like perfection. :D I hope that FlightFX won't be lazy and keeps adding the yet-not-simulated content to this lovely aircraft. :)

[@2beesfarmstead819]

Turn the radios down on pre checks. Please

[@PersonalWings]

We have noted this and try to lower it on other videos. The challenge is keeping communication with ATC. I'm so used to managing multiple audio inputs it works for me, however on a video it is definitely more challenging. Thanks for the comment and watching.

[@ryan4thewin]

that last comment! "better than a computer doin it" funny and true!

[@timmartin6410]

Amazing aircraft. The Glass Panel sure beats the old analog gauge clusters from the old days....back in the 70's when I was flying. Anytime ya'll want to drop in to KCGZ...

[@PersonalWings]

Tim, the transition from aviating years ago and now is incredible. The laws of aerodynamics still apply - but that may be all :) When used properly the new technology is extremely helpful as you know. I'll let you know if I get over to your airport - thanks. Rich

[@edp3421]

So cool 🤙

[@chinese244]

Very nice video......lots of info for sure.....WOW Really like the Cirrus. Now this may be a weird question, BUT i have to ask. If i was a pilot (and I am NOT lol) it would drive me nuts. The ALTIMETER INDICATOR has the numbers go down 20..40...60...80... instead it should go up ..20 first going up followed by 40 60 etc. I am not trying to re invent the wheel. LOL......but looking at the numbers going down...it gives the impression and FEEL that you decreasing in FL. My question is can you change it to the opposite mode ???? Thank you so much....pls. continue with your great videos !!!!

[@PersonalWings]

Thanks. No, you can't change the order of displays like that due to FAA regulations certifying it in that layout/display/etc. Things do feel a bit odd and strange at first, but with time you learn to adapt to the reality of the flight deck and instruments. Thanks for watching!

[@mundlkalli4396]

@@PersonalWings Thank you very much for your prompt reply and explanation !!!!!

[@marvtomson574]

10:59 lol I imagine that runway worker getting impatient and standing there staring at them wondering WTF? You two going take off or not?????

[@PersonalWings]

Marv, the total runway distance for takeoff on that day was approximately 2600 feet which is about the same as the Eclipse I had- both with 1800 lbs of total thrust and the same weight. The G2+ performance much better than the earlier versions at higher altitudes (pressure or density). Jet by their nature are more sensitive to higher temperatures than turbocharged pistons or turboprops - hence the takeoff performance differences. Their true advantage comes to light with the higher speeds and altitude capabilities. To compare aircraft runway performance you need to account for all variables, including take-off-weight, etc. Some of the jets I fly take more, and some less. The Beechcraft Premier I use for my flights takes a lot of runway, however once it rotates then cruises at 0.80Mach you forget how much runway distance it took to takeoff:) Rich

[@scottmonroe6522]

Nice video but mute ATC while your going over the avionics, too hard to hear you guys with all the chatter. :)

[@PersonalWings]

Thanks Scott, we have muted , or at least lowered, ATC on subsequent videos in various planes. In some airplanes it is a bit of a challenge to monitor ATC on only one side, while still having the intercom audio work. We think we have found a way in some of the many aircraft we fly.

[@carrickpatterson4705]

I am not a pilot, but it seems the computer workload is so high that it would be easy to fly into something while you are screwing with the computer. And staying proficient on the thing would take flying every day.

[@PersonalWings]

Hi - there can be risks with increased automation, primarily when pilots are overwhelmed by the technology, or over reliant. There have been some accidents when that occurs. With proper training, both initial and recurrent, the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. One term we use in aviation is 'Situational Awareness - SA', which means a pilot is aware of their environment (traffic, weather, position, aircraft systems, etc.). The technology can greatly enhance the capabilities, however as I remind all of my aviation students - they still need to fly the airplane! Thanks for watching - Rich.

[@berndl]

Why not mute the radios during initial 12 minutes? Why are the radios so loud?

[@PersonalWings]

Hi, I agree. I'm looking into lower ATC sidetone for the videos. I'm so used to discerning the audio, sometimes I forget it would be good to lower it for the videos. Rich

[@tuffitout2568]

Way cool...

[@ronhenderson9258]

What did you think of the improved TO and climb performance? is it as significant as Cirrus claims?

[@PersonalWings]

Ron, My experience is that the G2+ exceeds Cirrus' claims. My article in Twin&Turbine just came out on my flight review: www.twinandturbine.com/cirrus-vision-jet-g2-high-and-hot-performance-improvements-2/

[@avfan967]

3,000 feet to lift the mains??

[@richpickett]

@@avfan967 We rotated at approximately 2700 feet, which is a significant improvement over the Vision Jet G2 under the same conditions. I fly a variety of jets and take them up to Big Bear for lunch (nice airport cafe) which gives me a nice test set.

[@avfan967]

@@richpickett I was trying to count the stripes and approximate the lift off distance. Agree, much better performance than earlier versions of the same aircraft. Will be very exciting if they truly go to the next generation of engine in the G3 as the rumors go Thanks for the video. Very enjoyable.

[@galactictomato1434]

​@@avfan967what next gen engine? What g3 rumors? 😮

[@ehsanmikaeili9315]

Do you think fly by cirrus is easy than other plane?

[@PersonalWings]

Hi Ehsan, to me the Vision Jet is latest example of a fully systems-integrated light jet - the Eclipse being the first. The integration does make the plane easier to fly since the pilot workload is diminished, and safer in many phases of flight. A jet can be easier to fly than a piston or turboprop from a power management perspective, since you have one power control, however some of the new piston and turboprops (e.g. PC-12 NGX - I reviewed in in my Twin & Turbine article) have nice integration. The systems in jets are generally more complicated than pistons, for example, and require the pilots to be very efficient in understanding the complexity. The Vision Jet is very nice to fly, with easy control inputs and is very stable. In comparison with other light jets available, the airplane is easier to fly. As with any high-performance aircraft the pilot has to be very proficient with IFR procedures, operating at higher airspeeds, and adherence to procedures. You need these skills in other airplanes - you just need to be able to do them all at faster speeds in a jet! Rich

[@1dgram]

Why that passenger warning on the dash? Does the aircraft not have a standard category airworthiness certificate?

[@PersonalWings]

Hi - the plane I flew was in development status since the upgrade was not yet in production. Hence, the warning. All production airplanes are in standard category.

[@1dgram]

@@PersonalWings Thanks for the response and the great video!

[@adamlafleur4448]

How long did this flight take?

[@PersonalWings]

Adam, it is about a 20 minute flight to Big Bear from San Diego. Rich

[@adamlafleur4448]

@@PersonalWings Thanks, Rich! From a fellow San Diegan.

[@eglide73]

That thing is painfully slow. You have to watch for Barons approaching from the rear!

[@alps_Sports]

What if computer system malfunction while flying? Can you still land manually?

[@PersonalWings]

The primary flight controls are manual - controlled by pushrods, etc. and don't require power. There are also alternative methods of gear extension not requiring electrical or computer operation. With multiple systems, while possible to have a complete failure, it would be extremely rare. There are also independent flight instruments that operate independently of the main avionics systems.

[@Sandhoeflyerhome]

Did you notice the constant left/right oscillations in roll when the so call "Pilot" was flying? Then when the auto pilot took over, they mysteriously stopped. Conclusion ametuer pilot ..

[@PersonalWings]

jajaja. thanks for your armchair pilot conclusion and for watching!

[@bobmccoy4652]

I know this is a dumb question, but,, do you not have to adjust the fuel mixture in the jet? vs the SR?

[@PersonalWings]

Not a dumb question - in jets there are multiple ways to control fuel, etc for the engine. The SF50 uses a FADEC which is a full digital control of many functions, including the ECU. Jets just spray fuel into the engine and after initial ignition the combustion is self-sustaining. No mixture control is needed - the air comes into the hot section, fuel is sprayed by a slinger ring (in the Williams) or fuel nozzles (other jets).

[@jonartimovich2448]

@@PersonalWings it's not a two stroke

[@captainairbus3215]

This thing is way more advanced the my airbus

[@PersonalWings]

I think it is more advanced than a number of jets including most of the ones we fly as well! With the new autoland capabilities it is incredible.

[@greybermatos6041]

What a privilege

[@PersonalWings]

It's a great opportunity to fly these amazing aircraft!

[@wernerdanler2742]

I really couldn't hear you well enough to get a lot of 2hat you were saying because you let the tower walk all over you. Could have turned them down till actually ready to ask to roll.

[@richpickett]

Thanks Werner. I think I will lower ATC on the passenger headsets which would allow me to hear them well, but have a lower volume on the video. The suggestions are always welcome. Rich

[@MAGApepe]

nice :))

[@PersonalWings]

Thanks for the visit

[@anton__84]

Loop it 24:08

[@heathfagan2149]

All the chatter in the background really takes away from the video. Good video, but very distracting with the chatter

[@PersonalWings]

100% agree. It’s challenging when also needing to monitor ATC. Thanks for watching it anyway.

[@jcandroid64]

Not a bad video but the sound in the back is very annoying

[@PersonalWings]

we wholly agree. when we get back in a vision jet we will re-record.

[@donwhitehead4587]

Music just gets in the way👎🏻

[@PersonalWings]

Thanks for the feedback, Don. Will ask our editor to lessen the music while we're talking.

[@avfan967]

I thought it be better to come on during voids of conversation but don’t mind it playing

[@richpickett]

@@avfan967 We agree and will reduce the background music. Rich

[@geddon436]

oh, to be rich.

[@PersonalWings]

it does have its perks.

[@TheJetJock]

Background music so irritating.

[@PersonalWings]

We agree, so are toning it down on other videso.

[@wallywally8282]

You’ll run out of gas at this rate😂

[@PersonalWings]

All jets use a lot of fuel on takeoff and climb - one reason we climb fast to get higher! In the CJ3 we will burn 1000PPH each side on takeoff. Imagine a 737 or a F18!

[@vortexdefense2258]

Video fine but way to many unnecessary noises aka music, listenting to ATC etc. Will watch more vids but get rid of the music completely.

[@PersonalWings]

I agree, we are working on reducing/eliminating the music outside of the intros. ATC comm is part of the flight and while I could mute it specifically for the video - then my responses to ATC wouldn't make sense. I'll probably try to lower the ATC volume.

[@joellouisfire]

@@PersonalWings I think lowering the ATC volume will do the trick. Awesome job, this is just the kind of video I was looking for!

[@PersonalWings]

@@joellouisfire Thanks! Yeah, it's a balance of monitoring ATC and not. Since we were on the ramp, we probably could've turned it down for a bit before getting started. Thanks for watching!

[@motorboat70441]

Do you guys realize that you are being overtalked and we can hear most of what you are saying?

[@PersonalWings]

Yes - we are thinking about ways to reduce it. It is really tough in busy airspace to isolate ATC in the audio feed in some planes, while at the same time give folks a feel of the real time experience - something pilots have to do all the time. Rich