In regards to modifying the homing sensor, it's come to my attention since publishing this video that Elegoo customer support actually has a gcode file they can send you to achieve the same outcome. So if your new Saturn/Mars printer fails auto leveling please contact support first, and failing that try Geek Detours method (link in video description), and as a last ditch you can try the mod in this video. There is A LOT to cover here so I've gone ahead and chapterized this video so you can easily find the most relevant or interesting sections if you don't fancy sitting through the entire thing. I do of course encourage a full viewing! This video goes DEEP, and gets under the skin of the new S4U and its little brother , and we even take a look at some of the problems this machine and others like it are facing, and how to overcome them. 00:00:00 - Intro and Overview 00:04:27 - Careful, this lens cap will fight you 00:06:28 - Let's talk about heaters 00:14:12 - Fume Extraction 00:15:57 - Firmware 00:27:29 - Setting up a Calibration print 00:29:39 - Comparing the internal hardware 00:35:21 - Numbering the test models 00:39:08 - Let's talk about why tilt release is really cool 00:43:53 - Build plate drainage model (highly recommend this) 00:44:59 - THE MOST SATISFYING TANK CLEAN I'VE EVER DONE HOLY SHIT 00:46:14 - Trying out a new part removal tool 00:47:44 - Let's talk about the bib 00:49:48 - Jay3DTech Boxes of Calibration 00:58:01 - First print results 01:02:37 - Testing recovery on power loss 01:03:48 - Second print results 01:04:28 - The issues with "Auto levelling" 01:12:34 - What do you do if Auto Levelling fails?! 01:16:19 - Closer look at all the prints 01:21:16 - Testing the new Elegoo Mini Heater in cold weather 01:24:18 - Final thoughts
@aiPokkan14 күн бұрын
Sigmastar SSD2020 i think this is the arm chip (brain ) behind eleegoo saturn 4 ultra and bg256 is a type of sram ,dram or eeprom. Thank you for this great video👍👍👍👍
@Inquisitor_LandstanderАй бұрын
Hello from the Atlan Forge team! Thank you so much for featuring us! Iam thrilled beyond belief that you like my support work!
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Hey hey! Thank you so much for your support of the channel, it means so much to me and I'm thrilled to be sharing your excellent creations here :D
@nasigoring1525Ай бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide aww. You guys are so cute together. But seriously, love the collab, it's awesome.
@bigeye6606Ай бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide get a room, you guys.
@StarsServentАй бұрын
Those minis are so cool, thank for the contribution.
@MtnCactusАй бұрын
The paper tank clean is game changer
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Right!?
@MtnCactusАй бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide I destroyed my first FEP because I just couldn't give fails off - and I didn't have any supports because I hadn't made anything yet. Super excited to not need to keep a piece of supports floating around in between printing sessions.
@tempusavatarАй бұрын
Maybe try using a slightly heavier card stock? It looked like you had a bit of fuss and had to stick your hand down in the resin. Maybe something like a playing card?
@tempusavatarАй бұрын
Thanks for the video. My submission for the print removal tool shootout: painters tool! It's rigid but flexible, the blade is beveled but not super sharp, and it's got a pointy bit on one end if you need to wedge it under a fussy raft.
@aclabonte6 күн бұрын
I am so mad I'm watching this video a month late and just now stumbling upon this tip. You should clip it and make it a short!!
@FrazzledDadsMinisАй бұрын
I really like these long-format videos because you really dive into great, USEFUL details on them. I'm glad you do both long and short formats.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Thank you good sir 🤘🍻
@SeanSpeerАй бұрын
Just got my Ultra a couple days ago. Love this machine! I can say that putting a flex plate on the build plate is 100% the way to go. I only remove the flex plate, which means I never remove the build plate after each print. So the issues that are particular to this build plate being messy I simply don't have. I previously owned a Saturn 2 with Whambam flex plates, so I was able to buy a new magnet from Whambam and continue to use the two flex plates I already had. The Ultra also allows you to simply run a bit of Gcode on the printer to adjust for the added height of the flex plate and magnet. Previously you had to print a little space and screw that into the plate mechanism. That's gone. You just put a Gcode file on a USB, load it up, and it automagically adjusts the printer for the flex plate and magnet height. So far this thing is a deam.
@BaffostyleАй бұрын
Thanks for the head up. What i need to write in the Gcode?
@fluxcapacitorАй бұрын
Don't you have sticking issues on the material of the flex plate compared to the laser-etched metal build plate?
@jamescameron-clarke25609 күн бұрын
@@fluxcapacitor If you sand up the surface of the flex-plate, it'll stick just fine. Just make sure that the etched plate is well cleaned with IPA before sticking the magnet on, and do the same with the flex plate after sanding to get any metal dust off.
@Averell645 күн бұрын
Do you just not clean the build plate then if you don’t remove it?
@jamescameron-clarke25605 күн бұрын
@@Averell64 I'm working with a Saturn 2, rather than the 4 Ultra, but there's no real need. The plate itself doesn't need to come out of the machine, you can just peel off the flex plate and after getting the prints off - which is much easier - I give it a wipe down with some ipa and pop it back in.
@tylerhenry4439Ай бұрын
OMG the review is here. I'm so excited to see it I've had mine for 3 weeks and have been loving it so far
@MTGPhlogistenАй бұрын
There is a small print on cults that is a spacer to allow the power cable to go out the back while still being able to hook up the ventilation. If you search Saturn 4 it will come up.
@mamid4849Ай бұрын
Just got the Saturn 4 and my biggest gripe is the way the build plate handle is shaped..... so uncomfortable to hold in a gloved hand. Elegoo needs to taper this thing the opposite way! From the build plate it needs to go from thin to thick not the other slippery way around! Love the video's man you have really helped me on this journey!
@WarmasterHorus96Ай бұрын
Can't say how badly I wanted this review from you!
@panzerschreckpeteАй бұрын
Printer does what it sets out to do, but the mucking around with the build plate is a definite no for me. Oh and If Elegoo Social are reading this, tell your sales team to allow direct sales to NZ, because right now your sole distributor is over charging like crazy for anything branded with Elegoo, and never has any resin in stock, even if it wasn't stupid expensive
@Whoopsie00Ай бұрын
Mate I cannot second this harder about sales in NZ. The pricing is wild, and for an exclusive distributor it's insane. Having 0 non-overpriced Elegoo options ONLY drives people to other companies.
@potat0457Ай бұрын
Omg man please in NZ elegoo pleasee
@bradandteinacook350625 күн бұрын
Can't agree more in some cases double the price. I've ordered in Oz, then picked it up when on my way home.
@madmanwithaplan1826Ай бұрын
As a novice self taught programmer yes the calibration feature would probably relatively simple to code in the grand scheme. However i wouldn't be shocked if anycubic has some kinda of patent on the function being built into the printer itself. Maybe elegoo has made its function different enough to finally bypass the patent. And the extra charge is to recoup the rnd to justify new patent. And if you think that sounds stupid i would remind you we live in a world in which a spinning icon is the symbol of loading because atari patented minigames in loading screens like 40 years ago.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
I dunno, that seems a stretch. Its just changing what the pixels are doing on an LCD, and given these are all Chinese made products where historically IP doesn't mean shit.. I'm dubious that it's an IP problem. Given my experience now complaining about printers and requested improvements; they just don't care/aren't interested in making the effort.
@prenumenume7498Ай бұрын
These are all chinese companies. Patents mean absolutelly jack shit. Also you can get around pattents in a way or other if you want to. It is not a thing in all printers because they did not tried to implement it yet. Like autoleveling was not imidiatly implemented in sla and fdm printers.
@GeekDetourАй бұрын
30:00 Yeigh! Love to see inside! Hi there James! Oh, about entering the numbers for the exposure calibration - it’s a bit annoying until you understand it doesn’t let you cross up or down with other existing values, right! Cheers, mate!
@GeekDetourАй бұрын
Oh man, sure the software features could be on both printers. It’s a marketing positioning of the features.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Right?! So frustrating 😂
@freelance-gamesАй бұрын
I've had mine for a couple days now, and I've found the bib is actually pretty handy for drainage if you put the plate on it sideways so that it overhangs back into the vat. The "bolt sheath" bits are almost exactly as wide as the top bib lip, so it's fully supported while it drains and you just have a tiny bit of resin clinging to one edge after that.
@J3DTechАй бұрын
TLDR: 1. Use UV cure time to get the Boxes to fit 2. Use 2s light off delay (Wait before Print)! 3. Don't lift more then 6mm! Why waste time? 4. Don't retract super fast, respect your Mini, love your Mini! >>Once boxes fit
@FrazzledDadsMinisАй бұрын
This is a terrific walk through of the main points of that long doc I read from you some time ago. Thank you!
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Good shit, thanks for that! I'll have to revisit this again some time
@jaspercallahan3318Ай бұрын
I have had my saturn 4 ultra. I made a long handle scraper on my A1 that fits in between the posts and i use that to scrape the majoriety of resin off into the vat before i remove the build plate from machine.
@Aztechnology.Ай бұрын
Awesome to see some respect thrown J3D’s way. His guide is absolutely great work and he’s been a North Star for my printing journey for sure. Alongside you of course 😊
@Aztechnology.Ай бұрын
I know J3D is also talking to Elegoo about adding a Z offset adjustment via software. So hopefully that yields results. So we don’t have to manually modify our machines
@Aztechnology.Ай бұрын
Another addendum. I asked on Lychee about the pillars tensile, and he said he needs to update it. Here is the response he gave me though which may help! TLDR: 1. Use UV cure time to get the Boxes to fit 2. Use 2s light off delay (Wait before Print)! 3. Don't lift more then 6mm! Why waste time? 4. Don't retract super fast, respect your Mini, love your Mini! >>Once boxes fit
@recn61499 күн бұрын
In terms of cleaning the build plate. I got mine with the cleaning station. If you fill that all the way up, you can sit your build plate in there on one of it's short sides. Turn the cleaner on for a few minutes and your build plate is clean. It does hold on internally to a bit of the metho or what you are using to clean, but that drains right out. Especially if you are done with printing for the day, just set it upside down over night and it's done!
@VertrucioАй бұрын
For people who can't get the gardening trays in the right size, you can get aluminum quarter baking sheets, which I think is somewhat standardized for baking.
@lanzer22Ай бұрын
I will admit that I got excited over the promise of auto leveling. Though after learning how it works and the drawback, oh boy do I wish I never asked for this.
@eeedoubleyouАй бұрын
I know others have already mentioned it, but I'll add- there are ways to modify the z offset using gcode. Wambam has a file floating around to alter it for the flex plates (they were slamming the screen and triggering the sensor). Should be able to do the opposite, without messing with the homing sensor. Lots of people saying 'Just give me a manual adjust plate' or 'ill rig it for manual adjust'. Unfortunately I don't think it's possible/a good idea. Maybe on the S4, but not something you want to do on the Ultra. The margin for error with the tilting vat, in terms of repeatable positioning, somewhat forces the need for this style of spring bed. If you were to 'fix the plate', then the bed decided to sit slightly higher, you'd have issues....
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Good info, I wish I knew about the gcode before as it could be used as a workaround versus the physical mod I made to the homing sensor 😅 In regards to a fixed and manual leveled build plate it would be completely possible and fine here. The LCD thanks to the clever and simple design of the mechanical tilt is rock solid in the up position. Check out the Prusa SL1s
@eeedoubleyouАй бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSideComing from the machinist/engineer world, I wouldn't trust that tilt mechanism with a 10 foot pole😂. My ultra only got here a few days ago so haven't delved into it yet, but I plan on putting an indicator on the LCD to get some numbers. If they show repeatability I'll eat my words 👍
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Well keep me posted! I'm curious to hear your results
@SOCMMOBАй бұрын
I use the bib every time (when I remember) and it's handy. You don't want resin getting down in the machine. And before I remove the build plate, I use a silicone scraper to scoop the resin that pools on the top side of the plate and let it fall back into the vat.
@mackbolan1733Ай бұрын
Glad you liked the paper L tank clean method, thanks for the shout out :) Great video, thanks for sharing all your thoughts and experiences. I'm glad you've given exposure to J3D Tech, his printing guide is fucking awesome and I also like his calibration piece. I agree with the build plate and auto level comments, I much prefer a standard build plate (with the 4 x bolts not the ball joint) and to me, auto level is a gimmick that is just not needed, great for FDM printers, but just not needed for resin printers...using J3D Tech's method of levelling from his guide (leveling the build plate in the vat with resin in it) is perfect. I do it once and don't need to do it again and it has always worked perfectly for me. I am also not a fan of these new tilting beds, I just think it is another mechanical cog in the wheel that introduces a number of things that can go wrong, cause problems, or break. I think the Elegoo Saturn 3 Ultra is the best printer that company has made, its build quality is excellent with components their other printers don't have and it has the 4 bolt build plate and a non-tilting bed...I fucked the ACF right off and replaced it with nFEP and it is a dream machine.
@TapCatАй бұрын
That was a KILLER tip! (Get it? Mack Bolan the Executioner? Killer? Never mind, I'll show myself out)
@mackbolan1733Ай бұрын
@@TapCat AHahahaha, I totally get it :)
@NinjaEnShortАй бұрын
I'm an engineer, 99% of the time I do not require extreme levels of accuracy from a consumer level 3D printer. I only make basic fit test models, actual, proper functional prototyping is strictly for CNC or the tolerances would be massively off.
@fluxcapacitorАй бұрын
01:04:28 It seems that you didn't watch Geek Detour's video before doing your own. He demonstrated a successful, simple way to manually tune each spring tension of the autoleveling plate during a dry print, so that every loose piece of paper becomes perfectly squished between the screen and the build plate, in every area. And he shared a clever trick to easily "save" the correct setting mechanically. So yes, "manual leveling" is somehow possible on the Saturn 4 Ultra, and that in no way implies having to do anything as complicated as what you've tried in vain the other way around.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
You missed the part where I addressed that first thing before I stated I was curious if a homing sensor mod would work as well lol It's also come to my attention since publishing this video that Elegoo has a gcode file they're issuing through support which achieves the same result. So.. hurray for options 🥳
@fluxcapacitorАй бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide Sorry, English is not my primary language an I may indeed have missed that passage. I am interested in that G-code file, what does it do exactly? Because some people on forums say that the Saturn 4 Ultra does not remember correctly the zero position after zeroing… which means that the sheets papers (in case of a dry print) starts well clamped, perfectly sandwiched between the screen and the build plate, then they become loose again in a couple of seconds afterward!
@JoLOveS25 күн бұрын
@ 43:00 as a Saturn 3 owner, I love the comment about not needing this printer if you already have one.
@jimhavocАй бұрын
I've been having a good time with my Saturn 4 Ultra (so far.) It's been working like a champ for me. Messing with the build plate hasn't been too much trouble, and the drip bracket you linked looks like a good addition. Thanks as always for a detailed look. Keep up the great work!
@nopenope5598Ай бұрын
So i really enjoy your long form videos like this as well as the shorter mini printing videos. Helll, i even like the sponsored videos. Keep up the great work. Ever thought of doing a second channel where you used the minis and terrain in tabletop games?
@InnuendoOutTheOtherАй бұрын
Some observations about this machine having used it for 2 weeks. I'm also in Sydney so temperature is the same factor. 1) magnetic build plate doesnt work with the tilt function, it causes the print to slide. 2) The calibration function is not intuative. 3) You can change the speed setting mid print i.e. start the print in standard mode then move it to fast after the initial layers print. 4) The spout is aweful on the resin vat. 5) If you heat up your resin the machine keeps it warm while running, as long as the machine is on it keeps my resin at between 25 and 30 degrees C in 5-10 degree ambient temp
@anothernate3302Ай бұрын
Heater and extraction means you throw away all the warm you are making. Blockoff-mounting plate is actually a good thing.
@julien8096Ай бұрын
That's exactly what I was thinking. That's why a vat built-in heater is the best option IMHO
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
The trick is not to run them at the same time. Extraction is invaluable because you can clear the fumes before you open up your printer to get your prints. Agree though, heated vat with a band is better.
@unadoptedpuppy3535Ай бұрын
Using a cheap stylus for these trash touchscreens can help
@nikrothАй бұрын
For the shit build plate, I would tighten the bolts, IF NOT possible, i will add a split washer at the top. (file it down if needed) This is how we can manually level the plate.
@KaitoKazeАй бұрын
probably because big preorder, the QC is become super lacking, I got saturn 4 ultra and a bit of journey 1. first machine I got crack cover, leveling issue on the printer, print wont stick 2. I got replacement from the seller, when I was checking the machine, the touch screen has lot of line like notebook, so they got me something from warehouse 3. 3rd machine, got home and there line in the middle of the lcd, and I use it to print, there vertical line on the print model where the line in lcd are with or without antialiasing, after that first I remove the vat, I notice hair line crack on the screen, I assume because the auto leveling, there no debris on the filter resin from the vat, vat screw not over tighten and no pressure has been apply at all to the lcd except by the machine itself I haven't heard anything from elegoo and the seller, it's 10 hours drive back and forward to the place, I'm guessing they gonna blame on human error, and if I got replacement LCD myself, I still afraid of auto level might not calibrated well and crack the new lcd too, I never experience this kinda problem years of printing resin, all my old anycubic doesn't have any problem at all.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Damn!
@mikedunning265Ай бұрын
Good to see the bunny's making an apperance.
@InTheRedShirtАй бұрын
Labeling test prints is SUPER easy in 3D Builder if you have a PC. Load the STL, find Emboss (either edit or object), type, set your extrusion, and done. For removal, a thin palette knife from an art store is perfect.
@JerryBWagonerАй бұрын
It's crazy what a game changer that dumb little spatula thing is. I had picked up 4 or 5 different scrappers that were all problematic. Then i watch a J3D video where he mentioned that thing, and i ordered it out of desperation. I it the best cheapest upgrade ive ever picked up.
@winstanoАй бұрын
Thank you for bringing the auto leveling and compression issues into the review. Elegoo have sent me a gcode file that adjusts the thresholds for auto levelling, and a second plate, because the plate was off kilter. It still has the issue, and they're not really doing much to help... I've burned through 3 release films in a week because the low layer supports keep getting pushed into the film at the "high" spots! I also print a lot directly on the plate (flat bases, volume orders, worked fine on my old Mars), and this is causing no end of headaches right now. Elegoo support basically taps out at "don't print on the plate lol" with no acknowledgment of the problem 😔
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Oof thats rough. IMO you need to buy another printer with manual leveling that you can tune the Z-offset on. I'm keen to know more about the gcode file they sent you.. Is it essentially allowing you to adjust the distance the build plate moves after it hits the homing sensor? If that can be customized that means we can skip the whole physical mod I did at the end of this video.
@winstanoАй бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide I've done some tinkering myself and I've got a list of parameters that the printer uses... The gcode that they sent me initially just alters the parameters for the auto levelling - From the looks of it, it alters the amount of pressure that's required on the plate to say "This is level now"... The one they sent made the compression issues go into overdrive though! There are settings to alter the z offset in there from what I can see, but I've not played with those yet. Happy to share the files so you can have a run through. It's really frustrating, when this printer works it's *phenomenal*, but "on plate" printing is just proving near impossible
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
@@winstano I would love to check out that gcode file and have a play with it :D Do you mind sending it over in an email? media@onceinasixside.com
@winstanoАй бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide Done :)
@theoandernack8427Ай бұрын
The title have changed, it's not the film anymore :(. Craked one when I show the length of the video though :D
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Lmao yeah sadly that title was not getting the clicks I hoped! I had a chuckle when I thought of it, which often serves me well when picking titles but sometimes it completely flops.
@nilbobbyАй бұрын
I'd be super interested in a comparison in pull forces between this and the non-ultra. To investigate if the tilt allows for less/lighter supports
@justinengwer1526Ай бұрын
I've never actually come across anyone else who enjoys SUNLU ABS-Like. It's literally the only thing I print with.
@johntrentis_my_hero6667Ай бұрын
Just ordered me some. Elegoo water washable prints nice, but man is it brittle.
@kamui004Ай бұрын
5:39 the sensor seems to be a load cell on the arm, so any forces from the screen and built plate transmitted into the arm would be sensed by it. But since the cap was lodged on the back of the carriage where the linear rail and z-screw go, there's no way the load cell would pick it up.
@MickTee2kАй бұрын
30:07 - "Remove after washing" LOL. QC on point! I'd love a calibration print system where you specified a single time value, (say, +1s) and you would get printe +2s, +1s, -1s, -2s from the time specified in the model. That way you only have to plug in a single value.
@eeedoubleyouАй бұрын
That's how the Anycubic printers do it. Set a base value, then it automatically adds say .25 to the rest
@UriskOfTheFaeАй бұрын
BABE WAKE UP, DICE MAN!
@christiangruening352Ай бұрын
@uriskofthefae *nervously sips coffee*
@UriskOfTheFaeАй бұрын
@@christiangruening352 Good, don't be like Dice Man, don't drink the resin
@MoonWind32690Ай бұрын
@OnceinaSixSide really important point! Those 'axed' settings are super useful to still have access too. I was having issues with the parts near the z screw not peeling fully on burn in layers. I simply added a lift height with Lychee slicer for only those burn in layers and BAM never had a failure again. While I highly doubt the lift height for normal layers are going to be useful other than for say some of the weird rubber resins it's a real shame for Chitubox to remove them completely.
@MarkLewis...Ай бұрын
Man, I do NOT miss liquid resin 3d printing!
@InquisitorDrakeАй бұрын
I got one too! Mine just showed up monday. I had to buy mine though
@tonypridham1253Ай бұрын
Enjoy watching your videos as you have a different approach than most which is refreshing. Only gripe I have is that your videos are quite dark and its sometimes difficult to see things, especially when the whole machine that you are reviewing is black, definitely would be nicer to get some lighting at the front to see things clearly.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! It's actually a contrast issue 💀 The machine is well lit, and if I expose any higher I blow out my skin and look like a ghost lmao so I'm currently exploring background options to increase the contrast when looking at very dark products like this because believe me it bothers me too!
@genemaster74Ай бұрын
G'day ol son.....love the vid..yes its long form but you really covered a lot of ground. this is my first vid ive seen after joining your Patreon and discord. im poor but got a brand new Nova3d Whale 2, its basic and easy to learn on. I generally dont have much issue with leveling as its almost the same as any older FDM with leveling nobs. with the heater i had to build my own which is programable and uses the same parts that are in the heaters you showed today, but mine cab go to 100c if i wanted. i found a video online in feb 2023 that showed how to get the parts, print the housing, and assemble. it works great and i can set min and max temp and it will shut off once at temp😁 from a m8 Downunder...but up in Brissy🙃
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Thanks! And stoked to hear you're getting on well with the Nova's leveling.
@baldurironshield5083Ай бұрын
as someone that just wants to open print and paint, this is more attractive to me. the clean up sucks but i also just leave the plat on an angle for a long time. time is not a issue for me personally.
@speedbird737Ай бұрын
I have the ultra 3 and ultra 4 - I wish elegoo would allow you to order the ultra with a green hood - looks so nice
@kettusnuhveliАй бұрын
To get everything out of the boxes of calibration you really need a (preferably) digital caliper. Also the strings/pillars straighten themselves out as the part cures properly, speaking of which, I'm quite sure you can improve the chances of them printing properly by fiddling with the "wait before print" and lift/retract speed settings!
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
I see, yeah for me and I suspect many folks who are into resin 3D printing for the purpose of printing miniatures this is one or two steps too many. Friction is the enemy here, and asking people to also have a set of calipers on hand, and to dive deeper than just normal layer exposure value when it technically inst required, is just over complicating it imo. The less friction and the less ambiguity in a calibration process the better.
@kettusnuhveliАй бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide That is perfectly understandable! Doesn't help that a good pair or calipers can easily cost you upwards of few hundred dollars. I personally still use Cones for miniature printing but for more serious engineering projects where dimensional accuracy is needed boxes is my go to.
@J3DTechАй бұрын
You don't need digital calipers at all, if the fit is snug, you're with in 0.04mm of accuracy. If they wiggle, you can add UV exposure time. If they are hard to fit, you're suffering from accuracy. You can lower UV exposure time or add light off delay. Once you get your resin dialed in, you're good for life.
@HelterSkelter199Ай бұрын
best removal tool I've is from the Amerivault set, specifically the one that looks like cake icing spatula. Soft corners with a nice sharp edge to get under rafts and nice and flexi blade with a good reach. The pallet knife style spatula's like that I've not had great luck with, don't get under the rafts that well in my experience without modifications.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
I can't find this, do you mind sharing more information?
@HelterSkelter199Ай бұрын
@@OnceinaSixSide Looks like they are some sort of amazon rebranding outfit. Might only be available under that name in the US. I think you can make one just as good out of a 5" cake decorating or icing spatula(what they are called in the US at least) if you filed or ground a dull edge on the tip.
@DMXKonCurАй бұрын
Side thing, but if you designed an attachment point for the fume extraction, you could also make a custom holder for the heater that is vented (or modify the stock one) so you can have both.
@GeekDetourАй бұрын
1:13:10 Nope… it will detect the pressure against the glass to determine where/when the build plate touches it. Moving the homing sensor is won’t have the effect you expect (now I will unpause and see if you were right).
@GeekDetourАй бұрын
Interesting, it looks you were right! Cool.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Haha yep, I did wonder that too but assumed it had to be the homing sensor since the force sensors are prone to false error.
@KimHarderFogАй бұрын
I tihnk the autolevel-buildplate-thingie, is due to the lever action of the fep - I have a feeling that there is a non-zero change that the surface will be at the exact same spot after every cycle, like it would be for a static glass surface
@DanielChaves198427 күн бұрын
Oh I just got to the part where you put an Anycubic built plate on an Elegoo printer on your magnets video. In this Elegoo Saturn 4 ultra video you talk about how you don't like the auto level... Could we regain height and just use a manual leveling bed? Could be worth looking into and trying. 😁 Also installing a wham bam magnet plate would be great and if you have to adjust the homing trigger to account for the added build plate height.
@OnceinaSixSide27 күн бұрын
No need :) Elegoo have a gcode file they can send you if you contact customer support, and it will modify your Z-offset to compensate for the thickness of the magnet and flex plate.
@Lilrockerdude13Ай бұрын
Live in Texas, that is typical winter temps for us too. Hitting 0C aka 32F or lower causes mass panic!
@boomkruncher325zzshred5Ай бұрын
That’s a mild everyday Winter temperature here in Alaska 🤣 I am always astonished how much people freak out when it’s not thaaaaat cold yet 😂
@nova5224Ай бұрын
I dropped the build plate on my Saturn 3 Ultra. It bent one of the corners just slightly. I decided to give it a go, it was still level.
@davidharms9288Ай бұрын
just commenting to support my fellow auzzie!
@RyanEdwardsVAАй бұрын
Great stuff, and yes, please make the video about print removal tools. I need something that's as effective as whatever that thingy you have is in my life!
@jacobl2222Ай бұрын
Levelling is the number one thing I see new users blame pretty much any print failure on. A print fails, and their first assumption is levelling issue, and the first thing they do is re-level. From that perspective, I can see auto-levelling as an extremely attractive feature - for those users it seems like its going to solve a huge number of their issues. But i'm in the same boat as you - I've never had an issue levelling, and once my plate is level I usually don't have to re-level for months. Frankly, I trust myself to level a plate manually more than I trust an auto-levelling system to not fail.
@AnotherNewManGamingАй бұрын
Yes Open source the code!
@Antstar12Ай бұрын
Great video, a friend has pre-ordered it as his first 3d printer, so fingers crossed his doesn't have any QC issues and doesn't have any issues with the auto leveling. Based on your video I think Elegoo could release a manually leveled build plate and a firmware update to allow for manual adjustments for leveling. So for those who want to stick with manual leveling they have that option or if the auto leveling is broken Elegoo can offer the manual solution as a 'fix'(hopefully fully covered as a replacement part under warrenty or something).
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
That would be excellent but they probably won't 😅
@BlackSquadProАй бұрын
Let's GOOOO so excited to watch this!
@dakel20Ай бұрын
Mines gonna be here tomorrow, pretty excited. Also, the best part of your videos will always be the babbits at the end. They're so cute and fluffy.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Happy printing!
@keetonmitchell4669Ай бұрын
I will say as someone who for a while had their printer out in the garage, where it can get pretty cold here in the pacific north west, and had to frequently go outside to check if a print had even worked in the first place due to a lovely game of musical problems (had the old first gen photon for a while, was a nice entry at the time but I was rapidly becoming aware of how dated it was becoming. One minute its the calibration, the next it's the temperature, then it's the calibration again for some odd reason, then my film got scratched up. just a whole fun time near the end), I would actually have enjoyed having a camera to save myself the trouble of a walk outside when the print was good. Now does it need to be a base feature? no, honestly I think it would better serve as an accessory, and honestly one can cobble together their own setup with a cheap wi-fi connected camera or a baby monitor. But definitely a case by case usefulness. Sad the auto-leveling is not as useful as the companies probably hoped it would be, but at this point I'm fine with just having a spring loaded two bolt or the 4 bolt free leveling on that Anycubic mono. At least it's not the one bolt ball joint I suffered through for a while. Based on this video and other's, I'll probably be looking at the mono 5s as a new printer, but sadly my current housing situation doesn't really give the ability to get a new printer yet. I don't have the space to either have it out of the way or properly vent a resin printer right now, and I don't want to do the same garage setup I had with my first printer when I get home from college. Too many evenings going out in the cold to then learn a new issue occurred and I not have to do a whole cleaning job to try and troubleshoot later.
@TheSpazztechАй бұрын
Leveling isn't that big of an issue for me. Have a few printers and don't mind leveling them. This auto level thing seems to add a lot more moving parts and failure points unnecessarily. And I don't get failed levels ever. If I have to worry about the system failing to level correctly, I don't want it.
@speedbird737Ай бұрын
Hot water is great for getting stubborn builds off the build plate
@speedbird737Ай бұрын
no issue at all with autolevelling - the guy you referred to must have a defective unit
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Yep, absolute lemon.
@3DSte1985Ай бұрын
Great review, and as tempted as I am, I love my Saturn 2, so will probably wait for the Saturn 5 or 6. Have my eyes on centauri for next year ATM.
@NeknohАй бұрын
ABOUT BOXES - There's a bunch of information in the text document available in the description of boxes. It's designed to give you multiple things you can check with calipers as well as showing you the printability of various thicknesses of supports. If you check the top of the row of pillars, you'll see that there is a number, the pillar furthest to the left is 0.1mm wide, then it increases by 0.02mm for every pillar you pass up to 0.28, this means that you can straight up see how ultraslim supports will work with your lift and retract speeds. This effectively means that you only need the .20mm pillar and up succeed in order to print pretty much all presupported minis out there. TLDR: Pillars increase in thickness and will tell you precisely how well various support thicknesses will print, boxes (and symbols underneath them) are good for eyeballing dimensional accuracy, but perfect for using calipers for the best calibration. ABOUT PRINT REMOVAL - Try the scraper you got with your GKtwo, it's bloody perfect for removing prints.
@ultimatedude80Ай бұрын
Right as I was about to sleep
@t.w.falconer3952Ай бұрын
Excellent and very in depth for a first impressions video. Keep up the good work!!!
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@eccentricbearАй бұрын
Pro tools does resin calibration without the faff and you can label each exposure test with the exposure value - not convinced they've made it a lot easier yet!
@RoofusKitАй бұрын
Some of us like to print bases flat on the plate. So that is a big issue. One thing you should look into, it looks like there are more bolts with caps over them on that build plate. Is it possible to adjust those to lock the plate into that state of compression like other newer style build plates?
@jasoncombs3232Ай бұрын
The drip tray sucks cause it's hard to clean resin out the the letters that say ELEGOO.
@mikeporter5679Ай бұрын
Thanks for such a comprehensive rundown on the printer! Very interesting and I'm so on the fence about buying this. I'm curious how much a flex plate would make the printer better to work with, as you wouldn't have to interact so much with the build plate as you say.
@antoniomromoАй бұрын
Here for the bunny and spicy hay adventure content. That guy does what they want regardless of consequence 😂. On a less fun note. The self leveling would be useful for the minority like me who have dexterity issues when it comes to small movements. Holding a plate and applying even pressure is near impossible. All that said, the cursed plate design will make cleaning impossible because of all the tight spaces haha😂.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Lmfao so true. It's their house and their rules, honestly. I'm the guest here 😂
@parallaxgamesАй бұрын
A recommendation. I just got mine in this past weekend but after seeing everyone kind of struggling with bed adhesion I got a whambam xtr magnetic build plate. It makes everything much easier.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Great idea! Flex plates fucking rock
@crispy_338Ай бұрын
Mfw when your winters are 50-60deg F and I pop shorts on when it gets above 20deg F 😂
@7kortos7Ай бұрын
Can't wait, I have two arriving very soon. my email says they are in transit and i'm super hyped.
@BaseSteve6 күн бұрын
Is it safe to assume that the tilting vet helps with suction? Or is that something that still needs to be carefully considered by adding holes?
@thrraxАй бұрын
Important note on resume on power outage: the longer it takes to resume printing, the harder it is for new layers to stick to older layers. So if a few hours have passed, and you weren't there because you went to sleep or been doing something else, expect a failure.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Interesting idea!
@farplaineАй бұрын
Levelling is super easy on my Mars 4 ultra, I don’t understand why they’ve gone down this route and made a resin collection plate!! I’ve been strongly considering the Saturn 4 but I hate the thought of all that plate cleanup… really want that tilting vat though!
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
It is a pain! Maybe not so much if you just stick to one resin until your next machine upgrade, you'll just need a bit of extra care and patience for the pooling/dripping - otherwise the tilt is cool but imo not necessary!
@poni7373Ай бұрын
In this case, if you label, better di it A, B, C and D. Does not interfere with the numbering used by Elegoo
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Great idea!
@richardrussell7082Ай бұрын
Look at Elegoo keeping hot glue manufacturers in business 🤣 Be careful flexing that boxcutter blade as they are designed to snap
@CPdesigns77Ай бұрын
You can also do the tank cleaning by using some broken off supports. Put the flat bottom on the FEP, expose and voila! Paper looks like it works great though, that's new to me as well
@MikeyBCookАй бұрын
That was his go to before he was thankful the paper meant he didn't have to keep any support pieces around.
@CPdesigns77Ай бұрын
@MikeyBCook missed that part, thanks! I do indeed have a pile of old supports haha.
@leonardleyland8951Ай бұрын
Great videos. Just received mine after struggling with an M5s that I am convinced was just a lemon (after 2 previous Anycubic models that had been fine). So far the Saturn 4 ultra has been brilliant. Calibration tool is awesome and prints have been fast and great detail. The reduced settings, such as speed, makes it simpler too.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Ah bummer you must have got one of the ones I talked about during the auto levelling section 😥 Glad to hear the S4U is working out for you!
@chuck2703Ай бұрын
Holy God 1hr+ video. You beast.
@Immolate62Ай бұрын
Be sure to include a good quality paint scraper in your comparison video. My SV-08 came with one of those spatulas and it seems to have its uses but I do prefer the sharp-but-not-too-sharp paint scraper since it is very tough and can be used as a jack hammer on very tough prints, plus is dead simple to clean up. I agree that the build plate design is problematic, but if you print job after job using the same resin, there is no compelling reason to clear the build plate. Still a problem with handling between jobs, but as you mentioned, a tray will simplify that quite a bit. It does spill a lot of resin and for the first time I've found myself recovering some of it between jobs. My resin of choice? Sunlu ABS-like. Using super-clean rinse methods and air drying before curing, I've never had such great results.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
100% not too big a deal if never changing our resin, just extra messy vs other build plates but completely manageable with a little extra care and patience.
@franklimaАй бұрын
32:00 The WILNX17 seems to a clone of a Lattice Semi FPGA, given the proximity to the gold ribbon cable for the display I would assume it is being used as part of the display driving electronics. Super cool chip though. The "CPU" chip is the smaller one to the right with the ARM logo. The two board are probably different generations/versions of ARM chips.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Thanks for your insight!
@Dark0StormАй бұрын
I get the point about riding the edge of burn-in layer exposure, but I have to say it doesn't stack with my experience. I've tuned my burn-in layers (pretty quickly too) so prints easily remove with the sharp metal scraper I got from Elegoo and across several years of printing haven't had a single failure that is related to burn-in layers (I've never even had a print fall off or start to come off the build plate for any reason). I used to enjoy the mag plate on my old photon mono (2k, not the later 4k), but just can't be bothered with one on my Saturn 8k now given how easily prints always come off. I know it comes across pretty arrogant when said, but I do think "just tune your bottom exposure right" is a valid comment. I'm not convinced you actually need to get close to the "may fail" end of the spectrum to do this. Obv this is resin dependent and I mostly use the very forgiving Sunlu ABS like and there are no doubt resins which would be a real b***h to dial in bottom exposure (but just don't use them would be good advice I think).
@adamstewart1146Ай бұрын
Hey is it possible to share the cones of calibration with the numbers on it? I received my printer the day this came out and would love to use them to calibrate my resin!
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
I would love to but Ty has asked nicely that I don't. There is a tutorial attached to this video to help you customize your own calibration parts with numbers if you need 🍻
@erodoehtАй бұрын
Greetings from Tasmania. Thanks for such a detailed video. Stayed and watched for all of it and learnt alot. Am thinking its time for an upgrade from my sonic mini 4k to print larger models now. 🙏🏿
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
The Saturns are a great range to look to for a mid-size printer. Highly recommend Anycubic's M5S printers too!
@lanzer22Ай бұрын
One can argue that calibration features are time savers, and one of the primary differences between normal and pro versions is that the pro is faster at everything. In the software world, the home and pro versions of Windows have no difference in hardware cost, but we all know that software based features are worth money. For better or worse, I don't think Elegoo has to add calibration to the regular Saturn based on just the argument of cost. I am on the side where a healthy company is likely to have more money for research and development for better products tomorrow. I don't want Elegoo to be some bargain basement company that end up lagging behind others.
@brendon6930Ай бұрын
I tried to tell Elegoo about the consequences of having no z-offset function… they said “layer compression is inevitable anyway” Hmmm…
@UriskOfTheFaeАй бұрын
I love your videos! Definitely a lot to consider with the fancy new printers. The Sunlu ABS-Like is currently my favourite resin. The Toughness, at least in my environment, has to be cured within a couple hours or it'll become gummy, brittle, and de-laminate details. Thanks for bringing Jay3DTech across our radar! I've got a few applications beyond minis that I'd like to print for, so getting a better grasp on and better dimensional accuracy out of my printer is valuable! I also print a lot of bases flat on the build plate because l a z y. I prefer dealing with the elephant's foot over sanding bottoms flat. I have struggled with leveling my Mars 2 Pro properly on multiple occasions, and it's actually for that precise reason (oddly enough) that I'm extra worried about the tradeoffs and potential pitfalls of "self-leveling" build plates. Plus, I genuinely despise the extra mess and resin waste the Saturn 4 build plate design creates. Also still peeved that only the Ultra has the exposure range finding tool. I think, for my preferences, the Saturn 4 range will be a pass for me if I decide to upgrade soon.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Thanks! You should check out my base pack 😁 they're presupported and print beautifully, but the trade off here is a little extra time and material in exchange for not having to sand the elephant's foot.
@Bobby11Ай бұрын
You could modify your extraction adaptor to allow the power lead for the heater to pass thru.
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Good plan!
@manaseaterАй бұрын
Amazing thank you, what layer height did you use when calibrating? 0.02?
@OnceinaSixSideАй бұрын
Default 0.05
@TheMordiousАй бұрын
The printer should have had an adjustable vat, and solid build plate, as per the printer they copied the Prusa SLS/SLS1. The only reason i have bought this printer was for the moving Vat, which has been fantastic on the Prusa SLS1. I agree that the build plate is the main issue that i can see with this printer.
@ForOdinАй бұрын
You recon one of those heaters would work with an FDM printer? I print a lot of composites on a K1C, and a chamber heater would make a difference
@Prickles2001Ай бұрын
You need to try mixing SUNLU ABS-Like and Toughness. I do 3:1 and its amazing.