First In, Last Out-A Comparison of Debuts and Final Albums (w/Martin Popoff)

[@dusty3913]

Really love those songs from "A Kind of Magic", especially being a fan of Highlander. "Who Wants to live forever" is epic.

[@edwardcoit9748]

There can only be one. Great soundtrack.

[@jockmctodger]

"Gimme The Prize"

[@dusty3913]

@@jockmctodger Gimme Gimme Fried Chicken!

[@Jermeister12]

Hell yeah !!😀😀😀😀

[@commonman317]

"In Through The Outdoor" remains one of my favorite Zep albums to this day. Bonzo on "Fool In The Rain", Jimmy's loud growling guitar in the middle section of "Carouselambra", and the vocals on "I'm Gonna Crawl" are just outstanding.

[@kimberlywalker3970]

There are three Zeppelin albums people have interesting opinions on: LZ III, Presence and In Through The Out Door. I'm not a big fan of III or Presence but, I love In Through The Out Door. I would say the only Zeppelin albums I like more are LZ IV and Physical Graffiti. In The Evening and Fool In The Rain are in my top ten of favorite Zeppelin songs. I like the album. As much as I like IV and Physical Graffiti, I don't want to hear them over and over. The fact they make all these different sounding albums is one of the major reasons I like Zeppelin and I'm a late comer :)

[@jmacallar]

Rush would be a good band to talk about. Great conversation Martin and Pete....really enjoy your talks about music! Great break from all the negative, craziness in this world.....keep up the good work lads!

[@holydiver73]

Carl Palmer put his own spin on Keith Olsen’s comment. He once said “if you want to keep time, buy a metronome, don’t come to me”

[@jake6887]

I'm a rock fan, but i really love the last Abba album. The Visitors is the best album they made in my opinion

[@yrlic]

ABBA was a great band ! - fellow rock fan

[@BenjimonSussyBaka]

My favorite band, and I’m a rock, Prog, and metal fan!

[@firstplacerealty398]

PETE! Thank you for putting me on to the Be-Bop Deluxe album- I love it! All the best in '22 brother.

[@norbertx9415]

Beatles. 10 years, totally different band. Both great albums for their times.

[@trenteurope912]

Only 7 years of recording..

[@b2tall239]

Over a period of less than 2 years ('64-'66) they went from being a bubblegum boy band to being the most influential rock band in history.

[@trenteurope912]

Everybody should at least one time listen to the debut and then Abbey Road. It's just amazing to hear the differences!

[@ricard3135]

@@b2tall239 I prefer their second period too. But Beatles are influential right from the first album. Listen carefully to those first records. Pure genius.

[@beetlebum7760]

@@ricard3135 And let’s not forget that their worst tracks were from their second period: Michelle, Yellow Submarine, Within You Without You, When I'm Sixty Four, All You Need Is Love, Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da, Honey Pie, Revolution 9, Maxwell’s Silver Hammer, Octopus’s Garden, Let It Be etc.

[@MiceOnParole]

Thunder and Lightning is a masterpiece.

[@jodylowe8476]

It kicks arse.

[@metaldams78]

Please do a part two, this is great.

[@MrFrikkenfrakken]

Thanks Martin and Pete, enjoyable show as always.

[@electricshock3266]

Great stuff, love hearing Martin talk about bands you don't normally see on SoT - The Jam & the Stooges are both brilliant.

[@jukeboxcowboy]

Very much enjoyed this episode. Thanks! The Bill Nelson / Red Noise album was called Sound on Sound. It's pretty much in the style of "zolo"

[@armandovenditti4523]

Just a little note. Innuendo hit #30 in Billboard. It shipped Gold in Canada prior to its release. (Not bad for a band who had not made the Top 20 in North America since1982) Made In Heaven is comprised of 3 new tracks. "Motherlove", "You Don't Fool Me" and "A Winter's Tale" The rest were tracks that were recorded previously. Innuendo was promoted more heavily in North America because Queen had just signed a new record deal with Hollywood Records. Who also acquired their back catalogue as well.

[@mehernoshtarapore8902]

The works made it to 18 or 14 in the charts

[@armandovenditti4523]

@@mehernoshtarapore8902 Ok that was 1984. Innuendo came out in 1991. That's seven years without an album in the Top 20.

[@purpletemple1]

Never realised how much "Queen" and "Made in Heaven" have a very similar cover...Freddie raisin' his fist to the light...

[@RickNBacker]

Horslips: "Happy to Meet, Sorry to Part" was folk/psych/prog rock with traditional Irish melodies and instruments... by the time they got to "Short Stories, Tall Tales", it was straight-ahead rock with just a touch of the traditional melodies and instruments remaining...

[@MdlAgedHeadbanger]

I was working at a record store for the last couple Queen albums and they were actually absent from the US market when I started. Hot Space was the only album available and that was because the deal they signed for that album only they didn't own the masters to. All others they owned the masters, which was very unusual at the time. They were without a deal to their liking so were completely absent from the US Market other then the Hot Space album. The Miracle was more of a test run for a full re-entry into the market and I think with everybody who came in looking for The Miracle would always ask about the rest of their catalog. Some people came in saying they heard a new song by Queen, where can they buy their older albums. For Innuendo they coincided a reissue of their entire catalog with it so that album we sold the catalog more then Innuendo, at least until Freddie's death.

[@MrEnsiferum77]

I have idea for a show: Bands we love, but everytime we think of them, automatically we think of only one single song we heard first and that's it

[@DonHornsby]

It's always a good day to watch Martin Popoff and Peten Pardo get down to talking music!

[@pvdguitars2951]

For part 2: Police, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath

[@thegreenbird795]

Agreed..also King Crimson

[@poopoo5850]

First Album released by band replacement singer v.s old singer first release would be a cool episode

[@kamranmalik8546]

1. The Beatles ‘Please Please Me’ to ‘Let It Be’ 2. Rush ST to ‘Clockwork Angels’ 3. Pink Floyd ‘The Piper at the Gates of Dawn’/‘Endless River’ 4. ‘The Allman Brothers Band’/‘Hittin’ the Note’ 5. Black Sabbath ‘13’ 5. ‘Motörhead’/‘Bad Magic’ 6. Dire Straits/‘On Every Street’ 7. ‘Bee Gees Sing and Play 14 Barry Gibb Songs’/‘This Is Where I Came In’ 8. ‘Queen’/‘Made in Heaven’ 9. ‘From Genesis to Revelation’/‘Calling All Stations’ 10. ABBA ‘Ring Ring’/‘The Visitors’

[@michaelbaucom4019]

The Dire Straits comparison...On Every Street was awesome( as are all of the Dire Straits albums)... but On Every Street could have been a Mark Knopfler solo album...

[@kayfimt7769]

Cool idea for a show, really interesting to see how they came in and how they went out side by side.

[@angelomicciche3044]

Made in Heaven does not bear comparison with Queen 70s albums, but I still like the key change in Heaven for Everyone and the shredding guitar solo in the MkII version of I Was Born To Love You.

[@pettson6812]

You guys always come up with some great and interesting topics.

[@scarfface24]

Wow ! Been a Queen fanatic for more than 40 years and my first (and only) thought for Queen's last album was Innuendo (my subconscious obviously doesn't include Made In Heaven in their "regular" discography!)

[@scarfface24]

In the same vein, why isn't Coda considered Led Zeppelin's last album ? It's posthumous, just as Made In Heaven, containing older recordings and leftovers, just like Made In Heaven (albeit with additions and reworking, but no big difference!)

[@jockmctodger]

@@scarfface24 I agree

[@GrahamS67]

Question for Pete: Do you have the "Queen at the Beeb" album? I know you love Queen's debut album. I think the 'beeb' album is incredible. Such a great recording and to hear Queen doing a radio session before their debut was recorded is so cool.

[@mattshaw5179]

Great video! Gets a thumbs up for Martin saying Down to Earth is the best Rainbow album...again!! (I think he's right by the way!!) I'd like to add... T Rex Killing Joke Siouxie and the banshees Ministry Emperor Neurosis.

[@jpaleologos1]

For me I have to mention The Art of Noise. Their debut EP was very synth and fairlight driven, but their final album released in 1999, The Seduction of Claude Debussy, had a lot of orchestral arrangements mixed with electronica. They even got John Hurt to provide narration on the album. A very ambitious final release.

[@berliner0]

Love art of noise

[@mutant_blues]

Little Feet's first album (1971) and last (Down on the farm, 1979) with Lowell George. It's like comparing "Sticky Fingers" with "Dirty Work" ...

[@michaelbaucom4019]

Steely Dan went from being a rock band with jazz influences to a jazz band with rock influences...and the last album is almost smooth jazz...at least Two Against Nature had a bit of rock mixed in

[@keithjones6023]

I know which version l prefer! 😏 All their albums upto Gaucho were magnificent, l was really disappointed with the last two, especially Everything Must Go, all the spark of the early albums had gone.

[@jazzpunk]

@@keithjones6023 Pete's comments that "It's a nice listen", "It's pleasant"...I doubt that is what Fagen/Becker wanted (at least I hope that was the case). One of Pete's Prog shows (IIRC)...someone mentioned SD was quantizing the drum parts on their later albums. IMHO, that would make these records sterile, cold, calculated. In other words, lame.

[@keithjones6023]

@@jazzpunk No, I don't think any band would want their music to be described as pleasant! 🙄

[@powrnap]

Grateful Dead (psych debut vs slick Built To Last), Beatles (Meet The/With The Beatles vs Let It Be or Abby Rd), Bowie (showtunes debut vs Blackstar), Tull (bluesy This Was vs Dot Com or even “solo” Brick pt 2), ELO (raw debut vs polished new album)

[@cangong]

hey! that instrument on the Thunder and Lightning album cover... isn't it a BASS guitar?? i mean, sort of always looked to me that way, and considering that Lizzy's main man was Phil, well.. it would explain things. also, that hand with the studs coming out of the ground seems to be Phil's (he used to wear a glove like that back then, i reckon). just saying.

[@hellochicago2]

Always assumed that was meant to be Phil's Fender Bass. Pretty obvious really!

[@cangong]

@@hellochicago2 indeed! but our hosts were thinking otherwise, wondering why there was some 'Fender Stratocaster' six-string thing on the cover, while there's no Strat user in Lizzy or something to that effect. cheers!

[@hellochicago2]

@@cangong Sure Eric Bell had always played a Strat; and even Scott was occasionally seen with one. But as you said the spiked glove was a major clue anyway. Cheers!

[@747jono]

Great show as always. Pete made a good point about people only liking a certain era of a band or with one singer. Uriah Heep you said in a previous show, Oh we ònly like the David Byrom stuff crazy. Keep up the fantastic work.

[@kimberlywalker3970]

I'm a Zeppelin fan so, I'll speak on that. There are some fans who hate In Through The Out Door. I'm not one of them. I responded to someone else's comment by saying it's my favorites behind LZ IV and Physical Graffiti. I love In The Evening, Fool In The Rain, All Of My Love and Caroselambra. Maybe the fact that I'm not a metalhead is the reason I don't hate it? The first one is good but, when I pickup a Zeppelin album, the three I mentioned and Houses Of The Holy are the ones I go for. I've also said I like that they don't make the same album over and over again. They could've made another LZ IV or Physical Graffiti but, they didn't and, I respect that. I respect bands that are good enough and confident enough in their abilities to try different styles of music. It's also the reason I'm a fan of bands like Led Zeppelin, The Police and INXS and not Def Leppard. I like Def Leppard but, in my opinion, they make the same record over and over again. It's just that I like a few of theirs better than others.

[@BlindArthurBlake]

With you, Martin, regarding the Jam. Love their stuff

[@VincentBautista365]

Paul Weller!!! The Style Council was a great way to meet girls 🥰 in our late teens and 20's! His solo career started in 1992 and those first 4 or 5 CD's are wonderful!

[@DonHornsby]

More! Let's have a part 2!

[@kingsporttoolreview8703]

I'm not a Barry Manilow fan, but it's interesting that on his Debut album he actually wrote & recorded a hard rock song called "Oh My Lady" (Screeching guitars and all). . Something that he would never ever do again.

[@preving]

The Doors debut album and then their final album: LA Woman

[@i3ar310]

There’s two without Jim.

[@byronneedle]

@@i3ar310 we don’t talk about those lmao!

[@i3ar310]

@@byronneedle lol unfortunately they exist.

[@ZMsoloman5000]

LA Woman is a classic?

[@byronneedle]

@@ZMsoloman5000 absolutely. A blues masterpiece. With a hint a psychedelia.

[@brunoooots]

Striking how the two Queen album covers resemble

[@jimquinn5316]

Thin Lizzy had a brilliant range of styles and swagger with Phil's brilliant and lyrical songwriting .

[@andywylie6784]

Oingo Boingo and XTC come to mind for me. Such a drastic difference from beginning to end.

[@philouze1815]

Savatage - "Sirens" and "Poets & Madmen". Two different bands/styles although Jon is still at the helm.

[@b2tall239]

I'll toss this one out there - The Cars. They ran a full circle, ending with the barely-noticed yet excellent "Move Like This" album released in 2011. This is a teriffic album that sees the band get back to its roots. In terms of sound it could easily have been their 2nd or 3rd album, not their last...released 33 yrs after their debut. It was intended to be a Ric Ocasek solo album but he called up Elliot, Greg, and David (RIP Ben Orr) and they made it the band's swan song.

[@anthonyrivers1619]

I wore Move Like This out! Great album!

[@marilyncatterall402]

The Fender on Thin Lizzy's "Thunder And Lightning" is Phil's Precision Bass.

[@philipibaugh2925]

Glad to hear you mention The stooges I had all those albums even the weirdness now I just have the first one. I like the addition of Mike Watte because I enjoyed the minutemen as a kid they were a unique so cal punk band

[@daicullinane7746]

Another great show. I agree with the Queen Point, which is why I always say Hot Space is not the worst Queen album. It's got 7 great songs on it.

[@armandovenditti4523]

Page and Bonham were not happy with "In Through The Out Door". They agreed that the next album was to be more guitar driven music But obviously they never got the chance to proceed.

[@i3ar310]

They really should have put “Wearing and Tearing” in place of “Hot Dog”. The album would have been looked at in a better light. “Hot Dog” is a total stinker.

[@b2tall239]

Page admitted that because of his heroin addiction, he was in no condition to participate in "ITTOD" at the same level he had on previous albums. As a result it was Plant and Jones (i.e. the sober ones) in the driver seat, thus a different sounding album. Bonham had his own substance abuse issues as was also pretty much a non-entity when it came to input on the songs, production, etc.

[@preving]

It's too bad cause In Through The Out Door was excellent. Really like Carouselambra. Fantastic song!

[@andreijurca5546]

I like it better than 4 which is really popular. Three are no filler tracks

[@ZMsoloman5000]

Hot Dog is okay. i would more than likely never go out of my way to listen to it… but it’s whatever. probably not the worst song on that lack-luster album.

[@mikewest1542]

Shame about ELP , they had the world in their hands and let it go , those first 5 albums were truly tremendous!

[@ilj1259]

I thought "Time" was their last masterpiece... the album were uneven after that and then Jeff went to do his Travel with Wilbur.

[@MrSmitht04]

My favorite two back at it again

[@alder456]

By the way Pete. I jumped into your live show half way through and then added my pick went back to the start and low and behold you picked Gentle Giant. Brilliant minds my friend think a like.

[@sunsin1592]

Saw Ritchie Blackmore a few years ago with Blackmore's Night. Candace looked and sounded great, but Ritchie had the stage presence of wet tissue. Not sure why he bothers to tour. Just record the music.

[@JohntheMusicNut]

Great topic and show! Before watching this, I thought of the Jam. Definitely a different band from In the City to The Gift. I actually like The Gift a lot and prefer this to In the City and their next release, This is the Modern World but those mid-period albums (All Mod Cons, Setting Sons, and Sound Affects) are fantastic!

[@shaneorr7293]

i could listen to martin all day he is a rock encylopedia

[@berliner0]

He is

[@jason-budney7624]

Another awesome topic, great stuff Martin and Pete. That last ELP album was basically a Greg Lake solo album. Keith's carpal tunnel was so bad he could barely play during the recording of the album

[@pvdguitars2951]

Pretty sure that’s a Fender bass on the cover of Thunder & Lightning

[@seaoftranquilityprog]

Good point...you are probably correct!!!

[@mariopimenteljr8312]

You two are a great pairing!!

[@lexpeters735]

I remember buying the first Queen album after hearing it on an underground radio station in Australia. I still give it plenty of airing even now. An outstanding debut. After Can't Buy A Thrill, I gradually lost interest in Steely Dan as they became more and more clinical. The latter albums for me became inter-changeable. Your pick of Led Zeppelin was my first choice when I read the scenario of this video. What a change in styles. I've read numerous times Bonzo and Pagey discussed returning to a riff based style for the next release.

[@marksimpson4258]

The weather is always the first thing in the uk we talk about! 🙄

[@ilj1259]

Love Sculpture.... Blues Helping to Forms & Feelings... they only had two albums both masterpieces. The first one Bluesy hard rock classic... 2nd album prog Rock... very different from the 1st album it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Dave Edmunds would have kept the band together.

[@DavysFlicks]

Oh, the first two Jam abums were punk, absolutely. And the Kinks comparison is rather obvious given they covered David Watts as a single. If you listened to the Jam songs they did covering other artists, Kinks and The Who to Curtis Mayfield, Wilson Pickett and Martha Reeves then "going soul" shouldn't have been a surprise. I don't think, as Martin does, the Style Council were weird - they were very much in keeping with a lot of the UK scene at the time. Tears For Fears, Aztec Camera, Blow Monkeys, Tears For Fears, Prefab Sprout - that was very much the sound of that period. Not weird at all. And I get that Pete says Paul Weller has had a very long solo career - I know it feels like that but it's really not the case. His solo debut was 1992 - that was after bands like Blur, Oasis and Radiohead had already started taking over UK music.

[@matma84]

There are definitely other interesting episodes possible with this concept. I am only thinking about King Crimson or Genesis for instance.

[@alder456]

Cheers Pete and Martin! Happy Friday. My pick is Gentle Giant. The debut is pretty damn solid, not my favorite but Funny Ways, Alucard, Nothing At All, Why Not are great. Civilian is just not good. Not as bad as Giant for a Day but just is not a good swan song. All other Gentle Giant albums are amazing.

[@georgecostanza8927]

I like Steely Dan. I have “Can’t Buy A Thrill”, “Pretzel Logic” and “Aja” on CD.

[@daremcadams1868]

Rush is interesting ...Strong In....Stronger Out

[@mahogany174]

Absolutely! I love the first album but Clockwork Angels is one of their best in my opinion.

[@andyshelton4889]

A good example of this would be Sparks.😀

[@genegantii8638]

Loved hearing Paul Weller get some love on this episode

[@commonman317]

Obviously The Beatles should be mentioned. All of those simple short memorable cookie-cutter songs of their first albums, compared with the complex longer acid-tripping songs of their last albums. Now that is a real contrast from beginning to end.

[@marciopainhas5828]

Triumvirat - In: Mediterranean Tales/Across The Waters ('73) and Out: Russian Roulette ('80).

[@TBaggins96]

You should do a show on best and worst title tracks

[@peterkannar4494]

The Bill Nelson album that Martin couldn't recall (the one with the robot on the cover) is Red Noise. It's ok but it continues in the same vein as Drastic Plastic. Its like Bill hung up his guitars to concentrate on synths.

[@petejp1]

Jethro tull, Chicago, genesis, Fleetwood mac are a few of mine.

[@ik8034]

Genesis Trespass ( I've never owned FGTR and never thought of it as the debut). For me Genesis started with Trespass, couldn't be more different from We Can't Dance or Calling All Stations. Could "The Knife" be proto Prog metal?

[@starchild6347]

I disagree with Martin nearly all the time.... so why do I like him so much!!?? Ha!

[@jeffhadland3705]

Same here,90% of the time I don't agree. Reminds me of a demented old uncle, that used to be cool.

[@IvanLendl87]

Same exact with me 😀

[@kevinm5957]

I think ELO would be a great band for this discussion. Two completely different bands.

[@stephenbrown4211]

Iggy is alive and well standing on a beach and telling us to book holidays.

[@jacobheaney3836]

1) Return To Forever - Self Titled (1972) to Musicmagic (1977) 2) Weather Report - Self Titled (1971) to This Is This (1986) 3) Earth, Wind, & Fire - Self Titled (1971) to The Promise (2003) 4) Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame (1971) to Adventures In Radioland (1986) 5) Caldera - Self Titled (1976) to Dreamer (1979)

[@qdaveq6597]

It's a P bass on the cover of Thunder & Lightning.

[@sabinoabdala5685]

Pistols!! 1 Album! Perfect!!

[@user-hf8hm4bv3y]

A suggestion from me, here in Finland. Songs with attitude!

[@user-hf8hm4bv3y]

Develop this how you may. Thanks for everything you all!

[@thecocomastiux3655]

Roxy Music chances so much from their first to their last album, Avalon. Both are my favorite albums from them.

[@GrahamS67]

I'm a huge Queen fan but I actually agree with Martin about Innuendo. I love the title track and it's such a huge track we do tend to just think of that track. I still love Queen but they really lost their way from "The Miracle" onwards. I would point out that regarding "The Works" "Hammer to fall" is classic, and as good as anything they did.

[@SmartDave60]

00:14:19 he’s gotta define objective genius.

[@elfman5176]

Queen’s first album is genius I love the very early stuff More Harder Rock Awesome Vocals and guitars

[@Gregbaltzer]

Bands that would be good to cover would be Slayer, Motorhead, Budgie, Death, Bolt Thrower, Celtic Frost, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Dio, Black Sabbath, Nuclear Assault, Pantera, Trouble(if they're out)

[@marguskiis7711]

How they changed???

[@iloveheavymetalmetalrules6829]

Pete may I ask you something. What do you think about jethro tull evolution. The first album they released was "this was" and the final album that they released was the jethro tull Christmas album. The band really changed their sound quite alot because they incorporated jazz, folk, prog, rock, metal, pop, country and classical elements and every album sounds very different. The last album that they did sounds like a Christmas album pretty much hense the name. But it's also very mainstream sounding and very accessible to a wider to the audience more than other albums that they did. The first album was proggy, jazzy, funky and very strange sounding. Anyways in my opinion the band started of strong and ended up strong.

[@dinoalden568]

Regarding Queen’s “Made In Heaven”, many of the songs were culled from their respective solo records, re-cut with either Freddie’s singing, or Brian and Roger playing added to the tracks. Why Brian and Roger didn’t re-do Freddie’s “Mr Bad Guy” is a mystery to me. However, that does touch upon one thing that is really absent from post ‘70s albums; the odd and a touch creepy heavy song, like “Flick of the Wrist, Death On Two Legs, March of the Black Queen”, etc..

[@andreass2301]

Mr Popoff was really on form about Queen. 10/10

[@gordanlazinica]

Pantera. I mean, c'mon, from 'Metal Magic' to 'Reinventing The Steel'. Unrecognizable, they started with glam hard rock inspired with Journey, Van Halen, Kiss, and their last record was brutal metal, almost with some death and black metal influences; Ulver - from Norway, I have to say, one of the bands that have one of the most drastic evolutions of their sound, from album to album. They started with melancholic and raw black metal with folk influences and their last record, 'Flowers of Evil' from 2020 sounds like a Depeche Mode; Meshuggah - interesting evolution, 'Contradictions Collapse' sounds very progressive with thrash metal influences, kinda raw sound, Jens Kidman sounds almost like a James Hetfield. The last record, 'The Violent Sleep Of Reason' is Meshuggah sound that is so perfected and apocalyptic and brutal with eight-string guitars and all of those known Meshuggah characteristics; Nightwish - 'Angels Fall First' sounds folky and kinda like a Theatre of Tragedy, The Gathering, these kinds of gothic bands with female vocals and their last record 'Human. :II: Nature.' is like an ambient record, as a soundtrack, very different sound; Ministry started as a cheesy synth-pop band with debut 'With Sympathy', Al Jourgensen even tries to sound British and very poppy, emotional. As time moves on, they became an icon for industrial metal, last couple of records sound like a Slayer with industrial elements, their last record, 'AmeriKKKant' is like that, pretty relentless stuff.

[@fishinmyheart]

Jethro Tull is a primo example. "This Was" to "The Christmas Album" is pretty varied.

[@darrendohertymusic]

This episode is a good reminder of why most bands shouldn't reform. We always pine for it, but rarely do they come up with the goods. The Beebop Deluxe & Gentle Giant discography surely make that point! Look how warmly you speak about them, a lot of the time fans don't know whats best for them.

[@spaceace4387]

How about the Rush Debut and Clockwork Angels?

[@sierramodre1]

In terms of the Stooges I think you win with great production and songwriting; IMO the Weirdness’ production lacks A Lot... RTD’s production (J Williamson? As I recall) is great but half the songs are so-so; Sex & Money shows they could still write and James still had an ear in the studio-wish there was more of it on there... RIP RA, SA, DA, SM

[@magicbus63]

The Doors and L.A Woman

[@jimtremblay5539]

Love the Jam!

[@cowmark67]

One that came to mind immediately is Death. They start as a pure death metal band with full horror lyrics on Scream Bloody Gore and end as a very technical death metal band with progressive elements and more on The Sound of Perseverance. After thinking about it for a while one other that comes to mind is Linkin Park. Their debut is a nu metal masterpiece and their last album is a pop album with almost no rock on it at all.

[@marguskiis7711]

Band was progressing? Thats a shame!

[@SH-ud8wd]

Queen, Priest and the Beatles the only examples of pure genius in rock? 🤔 The Beach Boys (Brian Wilson) come to mind, the middle phase Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Marvin Gaye, Van Morrison, John Cale, Prince ... Would be a nice topic for a discussion.

[@Leo-ci9kc]

If Martin used Made in Heaven as Queen's last album then Pete should have used Coda as Zeppelin's last!

[@toddfoster828]

Piper at the Gates of Dawn and The Endless River are fairly decent albums, IMHO.

[@alexjohnston8889]

I agree most hate endless river but I really like it and chill out to it a lot.

[@SuperStrik9]

First thing that crossed my mind was the Lynyrd Skynyrd posthumous compilation album Skynyrd's First and... Last.