FIRST LOOK at an ALIEN Ship | San Tok Yai | Star Citizen

[@Hamisback]

Per lore the Hornet and Santokyai should be on par with each other. The hornet focusing more on armor and fire power, where as the santokyai more on shields and maneuvering. So im not too surprised tosee them that close in performance. F8 was ment to be a Vanduul Heavy Fighter Killer, with flight performance better than the hornet. I.E it should by design be the apex predator of fighters by design.

[@almaurath]

Excited to check it out. I'm interested in how engines behave. Of they are going to physically model thrust, thier model needs to compensate for losing an engine. There is no reason a ship with almost omnidirectional thrusters would spin uncontrollably after losing just 1.

[@LocalAlpha]

A few comments - this weapon is limited to use it's gimbals, so why not use the auto gimbal mode, which would give you and your guns less time to aim and probably land more shots? I love the fact that they balanced the 4 size 4 hardpoints with giving the ship it's dedicated gimbals you can't take off, if it had the possibility to use 4 fixed Ad4B it would be a medium fighter with an insane damage, probably could do the Crusader Ares's job and beat most of the ships. But I am curious if we can manually swap those gimbals for Size 4 weapons using a tractor beam. Also, What is the QT fuel capacity?

[@LuisGpunkt]

Most people dont like to fight with gimbals in PvP because the auto aim doesnt understand player behavior. The gimbals tend to be just off when fighting a player that is rolling and twitching a lot.

[@The1Mischief]

QT is 586

[@123TheCloop]

@@LuisGpunkt they are only ever off when the player has latency issues, beyond that gimbal is coded identically to lead pip just the guns dont auto snap to that point like they do in gimbal, so im not entirely sure where people "assume" gimbal doesnt understand player behaviour" because the same literally applies to lag or lead pips (which has been proven) but by not using gimbals on the san'tok which already have a much longer gimbal lock range than other ships do, your pissing away free damage because you can get guns on target before they do due to the longer target ranges. he deffo should have used gimbals even if he doesnt like them

[@LuisGpunkt]

@@123TheCloop Lag/Lead pips are also ofen off. Most of the time when fighting anything you need to aim more infront.

[@diegomolinaf]

Berks messed it up on the flights. One of the main features of this ship are the gimbals which reach way further than a normal gimbal does. You can hit ships on weird angles. But Berks never activate them. I hope he does another pass on it.

[@AustinMonteavaro]

Gimbals are really weak in PvP currently, the suck at anticipating player behavior and miss a lot.

[@SaintNyx]

Gimbals are trash. They track pip changes too slowly and tend to miss everything. Never use gimbals in PvP.

[@AustinMonteavaro]

@@SaintNyx After some testing I learned that they indeed do suck at medium and long range. HOWEVER, they are brutal at close range.

[@vamperic]

They are going to remove the whole go down a size with gimbles mechanic anyway, so your gun will be the maximum size for the slot while also being a gimble I look forward to seeing how the Xi'an ships Khartu'al, San'tok and Syulen handle when they get Master Modes applied

[@Tom-nz5te]

I would love that-make my hornet true to its name!

[@ozramblue117]

The guns have a higher refire rate to the regular laser repeaters so it does decent damage. Trouble is it’s a huge target and has only one shield. I’d say it’s more of a pve fighter, unfortunately. Nice to see some testing done!

[@StaciaGroobyfivebyfive]

Kinda like a one man scorpius

[@benjaminpohl3104]

Thanks for the test run - sort of confirms my suspicion. I'm okay with the San Tok being inferior to the F8C, but it should have an easier time against a Hornet, preferably being more nimble while trading off some shield capacity, that would work well with the style of the ship.

[@j.d.4697]

At this point, all the judgements made on combat performance are meaningless until master modes are in the game, but have you considered combat in landing formation for better maneuverability and making a smaller target? Also, testing it against disruptors was just a dumb idea.

[@unloyal4847]

I always see it as light>medium>heavy>light as a sort of rock paper scissors when it comes to light fighters, Chris loves that formula so I wouldn't see it above him to make fighters like that.

[@brockoala2994]

Nah it's still light > all for now, until armor is a thing.

[@unloyal4847]

Yup I know that, just saying that I hope its something around those lines when it gets implemented cuz I know Chris likes having rock paper scissors type matchups@@brockoala2994

[@neonmidnight6264]

The way it handles is definitely growing on me, very fun to fly agreed

[@Lucky-Seven_]

I am not gonna crucify you. But how can you not see the I at the end of "Yai" :)

[@igknyte]

Do you think the outcome would be the same if the F8C wasn't running distortions? Also found out the weapons are gimbaled on the Santok.

[@Pulciu]

This is what I was thinking as well because he was doing hull damage and can't you just put distortion on the STK as well? He might have gotten the distortion shutdown first. Are there any disadvantages to going gimbaled on the STK atm? It should help landing your shots which could be really good vs smaller ships like an Arrow or Gladius especially in atmo. Also you can shoot your guns in VTOL mode while having a smaller profile, wouldn't that be better? It would allow you to have a better up strafe too which is really good in PvP.

[@veronblue3072]

I think the engine sounds almost like a swarm of insects flying

[@D3LTA2]

The Yai is really growing on me... It's no F8 killer which is good as it's a Med not Heav fighter. The difference I'd say between the Hornet is the nose points much nicer but feels heavier with it's general feel. I'll be trying some Hornet Vs Yai tonight myself o7

[@brockoala2994]

This is only a brief test fight where he tried to put them in a fair fight. In the PU fights are not fair, you will need every advantage you can get. The San'Tok Yai will be ranked very low in the PVP tier list. It will get absolutely demolished by the Hornet, even without the F7A mod, it has every advantage over the San', being superior in literally every way, except maybe for the hull HP.

[@D3LTA2]

@@brockoala2994 what's this F7A mod you speak of? 👀

[@D3LTA2]

@@brockoala2994 but what is the F7A mod? Lol

[@lystic9392]

Hmm aren't the medium fighters kinda supposed to be(come) what you use to deal with light fighters (generally speaking)? I was kinda hoping this one would work a bit better for that purpose than a hornet. Not really feeling that yet. :P Or I was at least hoping it to be very agile almost like a light fighter because of its tech. You know, changing the fight a bit, especially to make up for its rather large cross section. Oh well, it looks cute.

[@asog88]

I’m hoping master mode changes everything

[@PerfectCode]

Medium fighter. Speeds are acceptable.

[@Sams911]

isn't the Banu Defender a Medium fighter as well as the Glaive?

[@VersesX33]

Banu is technically a light

[@MichaelAlbaugh123]

Why aren't you using the gimbals?

[@unloyal4847]

The ground clearance looks kind of horrible, wings and landing gear seems to be on the same height, looks amazingly pretty

[@valentine1134]

been waiting for the San'Tok for a long long while now, and its not bad how it is, a lot of people are being really pessimistic about it's capability in PvP which is kinda annoying, i don't blame them though since a lot of them also prob don't really understand the ship (or Xi'an ships) in general since most people who play this game are very human-centric in terms of ship choice, the San'Tok's whole thing is it's maneuverability, constantly staying in the enemy's blind-spot is how you fight in it, you don't dogfight like how you would in a human plane, Xi'an ships are more akin to really maneuverable space-helicopters. so ofc if you try to dogfight like normal well obviously you're gonna have issues.

[@fuglong]

Yeah but it's not that agile and has dogshit boost. It literally gets out maneuvered by the syulen.....

[@valentine1134]

@@fuglong they've already stated the flight tuning isn't fully complete for the San'Tok and will require tuning in a later release, it's in the patch notes, and i've been flying both of those since they came out, and as for dogshit boost lmao speed isn't going to matter soon anyways.

[@moondogg_monte]

Who stuck the Playing Card in the Spokes?😂 Cool sound for like 10 secs 😅

[@enormandin]

Why didn't you use the gimbal in the dog fight that would have been a huge advantage

[@rvbarton]

how did you get it? I don't see it in the store online...

[@timsgta]

Why would you think it's Santok Yah when it's spelled with an I after the A?

[@explorer47422]

just wanted to interject and say it's pronounced 'Santo-kee-eye' :)

[@edgelordcutting]

i dont really understand How the F8c is supposed to fit in the game it kinda makes everything Irrelevant. There are just so many ships that dont make sense at all and dont even come close to the meta. Its been like that for years. Things like the Reliant, Banu defender, Avenger series, Sabre, Kartual, and now these new alien ships aswell. Its like great another pretty ship to buy and leave in my hanger collecting dust. Honestly its frustrating. Balance the god dam ships so they all stand about equal chance for their size and role. What is the point of a game with dozens of mid size fighters if only 2 or 3 are actually viable in fight.

[@maxgamesst1]

What is the point of having multiple ships if they all have the same strengths and weaknesses? I think they would have ships that are stronger than others but are more expensive. That way you can progress as you earn more and more money

[@Doldol-BV]

The meta light fighters and snubs are very competitive/better against the f8c, but you gotta know what you're doing. the F8C is a noob stomper

[@deandangerfield]

The F8C isn't even the best ship in the game...

[@FrenchyTube3]

Why are you crying about the F8 it’s not even broken lmao

[@APolishedTurd]

The F8c is not even the meta lol.

[@j.d.4697]

Do you not see the "i" at the end?

[@Oldboy..]

Nice! I was really hoping this would be a bit more zippy. So a big let down there

[@Sarsour_]

Exciting ship!

[@quelsar]

Ooooo, Ahhhhhh. Definitely sexy ship. Has been fun so far.

[@simbigamer4521]

Where I buy it?

[@EveryDayGamerJunah]

Thanks for the review o7

[@JagHiroshi]

I faced an F8C in one yesterday. It did one pass with ballistics and took off a thruster. This ship will never be meta.

[@fuglong]

Wait till master modes and armor/component changes. F8c will still be better probably but mm will change the dynamics a ton. Light fighter meta will finally be done away with

[@alexns]

It’s “Saint of Kai”

[@cristiankelemen3199]

Those weapons are gimbaled.

[@Redclaw340]

Yeah looks very kool, but if you dont like dodging 8 gun f8s...this thing looks huge...hit profile will be huge. Its probably good for PVE.

[@stewartabel]

nice vid, thanks for sharing!

[@Mr_J112]

San-Tok-ey-I ,not San-Talk-Ya 😂 or just call it STY Fighter (TIE Fighter) Good video though, thank you 😁👍

[@NiceFire-ln5zn]

Finely not late

[@_Smash_]

To be fair, you were fighting a heavy fighter in a medium fighter

[@theg0z0n]

FYI Berks is my dad.

[@justasrandom6609]

San Tok JAAAA

[@rooster1012]

So Origin stole the tail design and put it on their X1's....

[@IceyJones]

san tok yahhh..... KEKW

[@Sader325]

Same weapon loadout as a Scorpius. Same Shield. Same mobility. Same capacitor. How exactly is this a medium fighter if its the exact same as a heavy fighter?

[@sebastiancoar1991]

San Weapons: 4 S3 Scorpius Weapons: 8 S3 San Armor: 12,000 hp Scorpius Armor: 43,600 hp All in all the armor and weapons of the San Tok Yai are in the medium range, as where the Scorpius is in the heavy fighter range. If soloing the Scorpius, you only get to use half the hard points in the fighter; and it accelerates to max speed in twice the time it takes the San Tok Yai, meaning the San can more effectively retreat from battle. With that said the Scorpius's maneuverability is only slightly less than the San Tok Yai, meaning it can keep it's nose on the San; while being able to dish out 25% damage than the San Tok Yai. The reason the San Tok Yai is doing 3000 dps vs 2000 dps of a solo Scorpius is because, the yeug laser repeaters do 750 dps each. To conclude I am believe the Size 4 Rhinos need to be brought back up to 750 dps per repeater.

[@Code_Xero]

Idk man I think its got more potential than this video lets on. Pilot skill gap a tad

[@valentine1134]

agreed, and some people are saying the maneuverability and agility are trash and that the boost is "Dogshit", and that the Syulen is better but people be having a hard time remembering the flight tuning isn't complete for the San'Tok, it deadass says it right in the patch notes, first thing under "Known Issues" i think people are also a bit biased first of all towards human ships, as they're the most prevalent type of ship in the game. and anything different = bad

[@Ccamachoo]

Tier B ship u cant pretend dont figth F8s bcs the 70% of the users have the f8 in this game

[@MrCwhitt75]

Yall quit buying ships! I wanna see a full release before I die

[@StarWave2]

Buying ships give them more money to produce it quicker.

[@PerfectCode]

@@StarWave2Lol yeah the only way to develop the game more… is for them to have money to pay people to develop the game.

[@vamperic]

Selling ships keeps the development going and the lights on in case you were that dense