First Magic Dock Tests - Charging an R1T & IONIQ 5 at a V3 Tesla Supercharger in Brewster NY

[@plugandplayEV]

Thanks for the video, Paul. We experienced the same results in our Ioniq 5 and had similar reports from another owner (both Malta, NY), so it seems to be the model. Interesting to see the workarounds discussed but we're up in Boston, so not something we can pop down the road to test! Also appreciate you pointing out the side unit being ideal for all models and use cases. The more we emphasize these things, the better the charging experience will be for everyone, regardless of network or model. Cheers!

[@TinkerTry]

So cool of you to drop this comment here! I was so glad to see your constructive, positive video on this same topic in your wonderful video kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4rUYaiYr82Zm68&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE and that was before I had spotted your comment here. It's so great to see people helping one another in a positive, constructive way, which helps the companies out too, hopefully. Next stop tonight, reaching out to @TheIoniqGuy via email: www.youtube.com/@TheIoniqGuy to see if he is planning a roadtrip to Brewster soon. I had the honor of meeting him, along with Kyle and David Conner, early last year, where I landed a very small cameo: TinkerTry.com/hyundai-ioniq-5#mar-16-2022-update Looking forward to learning how this gets resolved, as I hope that Tesla and Hyundai are having some fun discussions about all this. Like you, I'm confident they'll square this away quite soon, a whole lot quicker than VW trying to figure out plug & charge for ID.4 at Electrify America ;)

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

iI could be the DC/DC 400/800V converter is under rated. I’am sure an option costing several $1000 would fix the problem, hopefully theres room for it someware.

[@karthik11512]

Paul an I5 owner on Reddit mentioned that they had to step into the car and press the brake pedal, basically turn on the car and it would continue to charge. They were also having the same issues as seen in this video until they tried that. Probably something weird that Hyundai/Kia is doing related to the CCS spec.

[@TinkerTry]

Interesting, thank you, I sure wish I had a way to reach out to the owner directly, but I believe he planned to seek out this video.

[@TinkerTry]

If you are willing to use my contact page tinkertry.com/contact#email to send me that Reddit link, I’d appreciate it. Alternatively, dropping this comment and the Reddit URL below my closely-related article would be even groovier: tinkertry.com/tbp284 and it can be done anonymously if you prefer. Have a great weekend!

[@DblOSmith]

Thank you for continually saying to push in and pull out. So many videos so far of people just yanking on it shaking the whole unit. It hurts my heart, Tinker.

[@TinkerTry]

Well said!

[@jaypressley]

With Hyundai Ioniq 5, if you partially close the door where you hear the click but it's not flush against the body, the charging status will stay active on the dashboard.

[@NitikSharma]

After watching a couple of videos yesterday I was hoping to get a video from you, very informative! And nice to hear your voice again, hope you're doing well. :)

[@TinkerTry]

Aww, thank you Nitik, it was a pleasure to have the opportunity to work with you, I thoroughly enjoyed our many Zooms together. I'm doing alright, I hope you are too, thank you for asking!

[@BradC44]

For some reason the Ionic 5 is the only CCS car I've seen having issues charging with the magic dock. Even the Genesis GV60 charged okay.

[@batteryblade]

Have you heard anything about the Kia ev6 having any issues

[@drvcrash]

With this opening up to more locations it will definitely move me to get an ev my next purchase. Most likely the Rivian R1T

[@laloajuria4678]

agreed

[@TinkerTry]

That is good to hear actually, I'm all for increased EV adoption. Thank you for leaving this comment here!

[@howardlerner4958]

As an FYI The Chargepoint HomeFlex charger is awesome to charge my Model Y & Audi Q4. I have Eversource in Massachusetts. What we need is the “Free” night charging program or something similar.

[@TinkerTry]

I agree! See also: twitter.com/paulbraren/status/1631120251008999426

[@davidws5439]

The E-GMP platform vehicles do not charge very well on the NACS superchargers. I think Tesla and / or Hyundai Kia will have to do some software updates.

[@BlaqMambaX]

This must be a really popular spot. This is the third video that I've seen posted at this exact same location, and the other two were there at the same time.

[@AeschylusShepherd]

Because it's the closest location to all these folks. There are a few more locations but are up further north.

[@TinkerTry]

Yeah, what makes it more unique is that they removed the bollards sometime between Mar. 2 and Mar. 4, as you'll see in my follow-on video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npnOYWtqgat4prM allowing F-150 Lightnings to charge.

[@matthewwiemken7293]

Seeing the complexity and size difference in the plug really showcases how much better the Tesla plug really is compared to CCS plug and doesn't begin to describe the price difference in implementation.

[@TinkerTry]

Yeah, in my new video kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWaak5iKo6uibNk I did touch upon that topic of price of the dc fast charging equipment, which seems to indicate Electrify America has a long road ahead of them to remain competitive. I also went back to Brewster on March 4th, if you're interested, see kzbin.info/www/bejne/npnOYWtqgat4prM

[@TinkerTry]

While some of the comments here have been kinda rough, but I deserved them, and I own my mistakes. I went back there today and talked with an ID.4 owner doing his first charge, and captured the first charges of an F-150 Lightning owner too. I'm working on editing that video for publication on Sunday March 5th hopefully, and I'm hoping I've earned a few new subscribers who appreciate my hopefully somewhat improved in-person interview skills based on this feedback, including carefully listen. I still didn't manage to capture that everybody permitted me to film, but hopefully watching this new video that will be more apparent.

[@BonanzaPilot]

It said 3 stalls available. Probably just assumes all the non-Tesla chargers are taking two spots. I'd rather have that than it say 4 are available and all of them are blocked by non-Tesla cars

[@nachocollantes7602]

I've just seen a video of a the new V.4 superchargers first installed in the Netherlands

[@TinkerTry]

I spotted that too, and added it to my video description, see also my follow-on March 4th video if you're interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npnOYWtqgat4prM

[@nathangarciamuro]

I have just purchased an Ionic 5 and tried to charge it at a Tesla station V3 (250Kwh) and it failed in alll of the chargers (11). It connects, it starts charging but it kills the session right after 2 seconds. The V3 stations are not compatible with Ionic5. The V2 stations (150Kwh) are compatible. It seems Tesla has to update the software to detect the ionic5

[@rob8969]

I had the same experience with my ioniq 5 but I did get it to work 1 time out of around 20. I’m not sure what made it work that 1 time though. I’m going to have to go back and try it again sometime soon and see if I can pinpoint a sequence to get it to work consistently

[@TinkerTry]

Wow, persistence paid off, what speeds did you see?

[@rob8969]

@@TinkerTry it was about 79kw and then I stopped the session after about 2 minutes. I was doing it really for testing purposes to see if there was a way to get it to work and not so much because I needed a charge. Unfortunately it was raining and cold while I was doing it so I didn’t want to keep trying to figure out if there was actually a way to get it to work or just a coincidence. Especially after I tried a ton of times already

[@jaydostal5161]

We have here in Southern California the chargers where I go almost always fully occupied by Teslas with other Teslas waiting. I don’t think it will be well received if one car blocks two chargers. I guess we’ll have to get use to it.

[@smarticus6384]

I noticed so far that 800v systems that are reliant on the built-in booster seem to be the ones that are struggling the most. It could be a voltage limit on the Supercharger itself (obviously, they are optimized for the Tesla battery), or it could be that 800v vehicles need a software update to accept what the Supercharger is willing to output. 400v systems like Rivian have no issues whatsoever. Only time will tell.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Or it could be the DC/DC 400/800V converter is under rated.

[@smarticus6384]

@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 I think you are correct. I know many feel that 800v systems are superior to getting faster charging, but the additional In-vehicle booster system requirements are expensive and not necessarily an ideal solution. They are likely to fail and cause headaches for owners when the warranty expires. I suppose dcfc charging installations could change and address these higher voltages and power requirements, but I doubt they will ever become the standard. Efficiency will rule the future, I.e., smaller batteries and more affordable vehicles. A smaller 400v battery pack will be more efficient and satisfy cost alignment. Enormous vehicles requiring enormous battery packs will not be the future, except maybe semi-use, but that will be different.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

@@smarticus6384 I have read the NACS standard document, it does allow for 1000V DC 1MW charging. But for everyday use see little need for it as power loss is I^2 R and that amount of available power ca be a challenge for utilities.

[@TinkerTry]

Great conversation, thank you and @universeisundernoobligatio3283 for this, see also twitter.com/paulbraren/status/1632129366065836034?s=46&t=wNJJBw7GSzaIMphtWNgZIg

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

My NACS standard EV has no problem with any of these charges. Hopefully the non NACS standard manufacturer’s will get their act in gear soon.

[@jandraelune1]

:p You're the 6th at Brewster, NY for this. But you showed after the snow melted.

[@TinkerTry]

I went back on March 4th: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npnOYWtqgat4prM and I'm glad I went, as they removed the bollards, and I got to speak with a broader variety of EV owners.

[@raylab77]

Several version 2 and 3 stations have been open for the public for several months in Norway. My Ioniq 5 will not charge on the version 3 superchargers. Last time I tried, I reported it to Hyundai, but they dismissed it as a Tesla problem. They wouldn’t look into it at all. So, here we are, about 7 month later, and nothing has happened. Who is to blame? Obviously both Tesla and Hyundai should be aware of the problem…

[@TinkerTry]

That is very helpful to know, I appreciate the feedback, and I'm really glad you took the time to share that info here. I'll continue to stay in touch with IONIQ 5 owners I know, especially if any have connections with engineers at Hyundai, we'll see....

[@batteryblade]

Has anyone heard if Kia ev6 are having the same issue as Ioniq 5?

[@TinkerTry]

I haven't, but I have heard the Genesis EV6 can Supercharger, perhaps due to it's more recent software.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

The ioniq might have something to do with lock etfongs also.

[@chang3367]

From now on, Tesla has to sell the extension code so that it can be used on the Supercharger.

[@laloajuria4678]

350A/500V limitation. interesting to see the ioniq fail.

[@TinkerTry]

See also others with similar experiences at different Magic Dock sites: twitter.com/brian_riebe/status/1631408737104670723 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4rUYaiYr82Zm68&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

The car DC/DC 400/800V converter is under rated. I’am sure an option costing several $1000 would fix the problem, hopefully theres room for it someware.

[@scotduckrow8524]

Wonder if Brewster NY saw a revenue surge for local businesses.

[@TinkerTry]

Funny you should ask. This V3 Supercharger opened in December of 2022. This Magic Dock capability arrived late on February 28 2023. I went in to ask a Dunkin' employee if he noticed any increase in business since the Superchargers were open, and whether it went up further in March, and he didn't seem to indicate he saw any difference. I think a manager noticing an increase in sales would have been the right person to ask, I regret not doing that. I also tend to buy something when I use their bathroom, perhaps that's just me.

[@Eagle-jc9bt]

If we push PD button on supercharger gun during charge, charge stop or not?

[@TinkerTry]

For non-Tesla vehicles, I'm not entirely sure since I didn't test that, but I expect that it would stop charging.

[@gdc6852]

So what should the charging etiquette be between tesla-nontesla charging? Will it be #@$! show in high usage/traffic locations? A wild west scenario?

[@TinkerTry]

Gladly, they haven't tried this in high usage sites, at least not yet. July 4th weekend could get interesting. Long term, hoping for lotsa investment in doubling the # of US sites, using V4 Superchargers that will hopefully feature Magic Docks.

[@MarcoPon]

Never seen any issues in Europe, so it's fair to assume they'll manage.

[@keenanjeff]

The trash is still there from when I made my video 😞

[@TinkerTry]

I noticed that bag while filming , and I should have carried it to Dunkin', but frankly forgot all about it. It is sad people do that, leaving their garbage like that.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Non Tesla cars will alway experience some hassles some of the time. I drove my 2023 Model Y from California this Missouri round trip and used a CCS adapter 40 % of the time. Hassle about half that time. Main reason was the payment facility.

[@TinkerTry]

Very helpful info for me and my viewers, thank you so much!

[@BioniqBob]

So charging an IONIQ 5 at a Tesla charger you are done in seconds, cool.

[@MrH786]

It appears people with the Ioniq 5 are having problems.

[@trinitonv8]

Its a know issue.V3 chargers and Ioniq5 and KIA EV6

[@TinkerTry]

True, I found that to be the case a few hours after I recorded the video. This video hopefully documents the issue in a little more detail. I wish I had the driver’s contact info and his exact software Hyundai version.

[@fitybux4664]

14:51 "Who would you even call?" I think you're supposed to use Twitter to send tweets to Elon Musk himself. 😆

[@TinkerTry]

:)

[@777Outrigger]

My impression is that Rivians, Fords, Bolts and Polestars do well at Tesla Superchargers. Hyundais and Lucids no so much.

[@kimle01]

This car is not holding the session. Sound like Hyundai need to update their software. Other car manufacture has no issue with Tesla Charging network.

[@bigdougscommentary5719]

Quit opening the doors.

[@TinkerTry]

We tried again today, it didn't help. It seems like just a software issue, especially since Genesis GV60 works fine, and it has a later software release.

[@fitybux4664]

3:40 Tesla chargers are so unreliable! Fail! Short the stock! /sarcasm 😆

[@shavscott3412]

Tesla chargers are made for tesla. I’m sure you saw other tesla’s charging with no issues. Elon shouldn’t have opened it up to other users.

[@TinkerTry]

Long-term, using funding to create a V4 Supercharger network (longer cables) doubling the US's charging locations within 2 years could be a very good thing, given how badly Electrify America and EVGO have been struggling to provide reliable charging for road trippers.

[@Lascarnn]

When other chargers fail, it's their fault. If Supercharger fails, this is car's fault. Facepalm

[@TinkerTry]

Well, in this case it does seem like merely software on the IONIQ 5, as the newer software on the nearly identical Genesis GV60 seems to allow it to Supercharger fine. Only time will tell what the real cause(s) wind up being.

[@Lascarnn]

​@@TinkerTry To be clear, i wasn't referring to your video, just to the comments here! :) Your vid is actually very helpful, thanks. I just wanted to say, I would expect Tesla to test the feature before giving it to the public. Ioniq5 is one of most popular EVs now. Any info from tesla regarding supported vehicles would be helpful.

[@TinkerTry]

Ah, so kind of you to add this clarification, thank you! I also hope for a “tested in US” FAQ on Tesla.com soon too!

[@matthewwiemken7293]

The Tesla plug is simply better than CCS and is less fault prone when communicating.

[@Lascarnn]

@@matthewwiemken7293 Definitely not. Whole Europe uses CCS and the only problems happening are related to some chargers. There are charging networks in Europe where it just always works.

[@PatrickVanNicePhotography]

The guy filming is super annoying. If I was the Ioniq5 or the Rivian dude, I would ask him to back off and stop filming me while I tried to get my charging session started. Totally in their personal space.

[@TinkerTry]

Thank you for your feedback, that was me filming. Yes, on playback it gets a bit cringy, and I was overly excited to see this. By the way, I did ask them if it was OK to film them, and off camera if it was ok to publish, they both agreed. They seemed interested in documenting their first Supercharges, but I may have gone on too long. There were some breaks in there that I edited out, to try to see if they were ok with me continuing to record.

[@millerjont]

I was just there with my ID.4 and Paul went out of his way to make sure we were ok being filmed prior to doing anything....was a good experience.

[@TinkerTry]

@millerjont So thoughtful and kind of you to drop this comment here, and I appreciate you talking with me today. Thank you.

[@Nessal83]

Bruh, that old dude is still using an iphone 5 or something.

[@gabem8119]

😆OMG, get a new phone old man!

[@John-209]

I’m just a couple of minutes in, but it seems like you’re bugging these guys

[@TinkerTry]

Fair enough, but I did ask them permission multiple times each time I filmed them before approaching or re-approaching them. Thank you for watching, and for the candid feedback, I'll be more careful to be sure to include consent-giving in future videos, as you're not the first to make a similar comment. Thank you!

[@John-209]

@@TinkerTry honestly, as I watched the video it’s clear that the guys were totally cool with it, they were just concentrating on their own thing. Great content.

[@guru2899]

Hope you guys have a horrible experience at the superchargers.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Never have a problem with my NACS standard EV.