First practice w/ 143# (99.7% body weight)

[@HistoricalWeapons]

awesome shooting

[@Joegibbs-archery]

Brilliant mate! Not not sure many other people can get close to there body weight with a bow. Awesome

[@TheWayofArchery]

Thanks Joe, that means a lot. Your example of shooting a bow weighing 125%+ body weight inspires me.

[@Joegibbs-archery]

@@TheWayofArchery thank you man!!. I only know of 3 other archers who shot close to there body weight. Very impressed mate.

[@SuperBigsupa]

You are a drawing freak Brother. We probably have the same build . I’m inspired. Godbless🙏

[@JohnLundSweden]

Jesus you are strong

[@FPVIBERIAN]

Oh my god you kid is so cute

[@BibtheChib]

Incredible progress Justin! Does this heavy weight draw training ever cause neck pains after a while, or does something in the technique mitigate this?

[@TheWayofArchery]

Hunching shoulder blades will cause neck pain. Technique helps mitigate this, but it harder to execute the technique as the weights go up. "Gradually" and "conscientiously" is the way.

[@sitrilko]

Justin, I just saw you on a teaser for Age of Empires 4!

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Wait what??? Justin did you work on that game ??

[@MegaAdeny]

The people who insist on being vocal about the heavy draw weights' "unnecessary" nature strike me as very odd and, in my opinion, and not worth acknowledging. Nobody these days "needs" to shoot any bow, prehaps with the exception of the still extant hunter-gatherer tribes. What you do is a sport, just a different kind of sport than the standard, coupled with experimental archeology. How it is any less valid than modern target archery is beyond me. Warbows are much more satisfying to shoot that target bows, anyway. Great work!

[@littlehorseyhorsey]

The real reason is because they are pathetic. They are ashame to admit they are less skillful Real archers (the people back then and could use actual warbow poundages {90#+}) could not only use their poundages but also up to 160#. Some even 200# and maybe just maybe 240#. These people cannot. So while the people before could use high weights and low weights like these people These people cannot use high weights and only low weights

[@BibtheChib]

'Experimental archaeology' - I like that term, fits warbow practise perfectly :)

[@littlehorseyhorsey]

He is at least the Bruce Lee of archery 👍😁

[@quan-chi]

you dont known ME

[@Intranetusa]

Great job Justin. What draw weight goal are you shooting for?

[@TheWayofArchery]

No particular long term goal. Just seeing where the training takes me. If I had to pick one, perhaps getting to >= 100% body weight.

[@miguelsanchez8238]

Whoa VERY COOL

[@MarcRitzMD]

Have you considered actual strength building routines from strength sports? I'm sure they could be adapted pretty easily

[@suunraze]

Experience seems to show that the ideal and most effective way to build strength for heavy bows is just to shoot heavy bows, assuming you have access to bows in the range of weights required. It's very difficult to otherwise accurately simulate the specific motions and tensions required. That being said, training for complementary muscle groups and for core strength is definitely valuable and important.

[@MarcRitzMD]

@@suunraze that isn't in conflict with my suggestion. Powerlifters also primarily train by doing the same lifts as in their disciplines, but strength programs outline volume, frequency, intensity and progression, etc. They don't just bench as heavy as they can. In fact, they avoid that until their competition because a maximal effort lift would impede their ability to build strength. The strength coach would basically tell you which weight of bow to use, how often to shoot in a row, how much rest to have between sets, and how many sets to do in a session. Then how the training is adjusted each session for progressive overload. It's just utilizing best practices from another discipline to optimize one's own training. A strength coach might even be able to notice bottlenecks or weak points and recommend specific ancillary exercises like you mentioned. I'm not sure how true this is but I have a suspicion that even training in the opposite fashionis helpful. Strong back for shooting bows is obvious, but maybe a stronger chest also helps the back. In a similiar vein, shooting with one's other arm might strengthen the primary arm. That is why we encourage people with a fractured limb to excercise their healthy limb. It causes the broken limb to retain musclewhile in the cast

[@suunraze]

@@MarcRitzMD right, that makes a lot of sense! He has written an article somewhere detailing his workout strategies and regimen, including frequency, weight, complementary exercises, sleep habits, and diet. It's an interesting read! And of course it's important for warbow shooters to do all their workouts ambidextrously.

[@TrisisAbimanyu]

This is so awesome, thanks for sharing. May I know what do you use as the target? I'm amazed at how silent it is.

[@TheWayofArchery]

I use a Rinehart 18-and-1. It's a polyhedral, dense foam target. I like it. So far it's not too messy, it absorbs impact without making too much noise. But I still need to put a 2nd bale behind it in case of pass through (I use an American Whitetail Beast target as the 2nd bale behind the Rinehart target).

[@TrisisAbimanyu]

@@TheWayofArchery thanks for the info!

[@nachtschattenmacher]

what are the benefits of the new ring? there can be allways a better ring for strong bows :-)

[@TheWayofArchery]

Slightly better hook of the index finger over the thumb. Slightly better draw hand wrist/hand alignment.

[@nachtschattenmacher]

@@TheWayofArchery when will this ring be available? can't find it in the shop

[@TheWayofArchery]

@@nachtschattenmacher Likely later this year. I was just testing a prototype.

[@unomercy202]

How I can buy that bow? Anyone can share the link?

[@TheWayofArchery]

You may contact Misko Rovcanin at [e-mail]

[@Wilhelm92]

Nice job coach!

[@srinjoyroychoudhury7034]

I mean just out of curiosity, how much poundage can a tiron actually have at 28 inches? Doesn't 150lbs+ at 28 inches for a fibreglass laminated bow go near the red line?

[@TheWayofArchery]

We'll have to wait and see. I have another brown-wrapped Tiron that is marked 4# heavier than this white-wrapped one that I demonstrate in the video. I think I recall Joe Gibbs making Fiberglass bows heavier than 150#+.

[@srinjoyroychoudhury7034]

@@TheWayofArchery Yes he does.

[@MarcRitzMD]

@@TheWayofArchery what is a Tiron?

[@sitrilko]

@@MarcRitzMD It's a model of bow, made by Misko Rovcanin. Based on findings in Serbian monasteries, in essence a Tatar design.

[@srinjoyroychoudhury7034]

@@TheWayofArchery I'm just curious how much of a high poundage the Tiron can take at 28 inches. Can it take upto 200+lbs @28?

[@suunraze]

💪

[@ondrejh571]

I admire your skill. It's funny how some time ago I've sent a video of you (drawing the 130 pound bow) to an english warbow shooter, and he criticized your technique, and said that he can exactly see where your limits are. Well, it seems you didn't reach them yet :-) The control you have when drawing such heavy bow is extraordinary.

[@TheWayofArchery]

This made my day. Thank you.

[@littlehorseyhorsey]

Considering how English archers were inferior to Chinese archers The idea seems moot to me

[@TheWayofArchery]

I greatly respect the work the English warbow archers are doing, particularly Joe Gibbs and Mark Stretton. They are the top of their field, strongest in the world, and (most importantly) they are true gentlemen. I had a chance to meet those two in 2013 in England, and they were knowledgable and friendly (and very strong!).

[@littlehorseyhorsey]

@@TheWayofArchery My opinion of Joe Gibbs is high. I didn't write "are and were". What I wrote was referring to Ming dynasty Chinese archers and the English longbowman comparison. Even if the English longbowman was superior in skill (unlikely). Their bows would have limited them. The longbow is strong but a higher poundage is equivalent to a lower poundage of bows used in East Asia. An English longbowman using 160# @ 32" longbow is equivalent more or less to 140# @30" or 32". Qing imperial exams had people pulling strength bows upwards to 240 or so pounds. The English by 1900 or so had no one doing it. If there were. They seem to have disappear. Also, three finger draw vs thumb draw? Is that any comparison. 160# @ 32" three finger draw vs 140# @ 30" or 32" thumb draw. It seems a bit obvious whom would be more skillful That Chinese archer using thumb draw at 140# @ 30" or 32" could do 160# @ 32" three finger draw... Could that English longbowman use a thumb draw with a 140# @ 32" bow? Pretty much impossible. So I consider English longbow archers back then to be inferior to Chinese archers back then.

[@TheWayofArchery]

Aha, understood. Thank you for the clarification!

[@BLACKXARCHERY]

Way to go. That is amazing.

[@whomagoose6897]

Could you explain the definition of 143# (97.7 of body weight)? How does this relate to a recommended bow weight? Not trying to be a troll. I just cannot understand your concepts.

[@TheWayofArchery]

The percentage is (bow draw weight / my body weight). The bow's draw weight is 143#. I weighed 143.4# this morning. Therefore I am drawing 143/143.4 = 0.997 (99.7% of body weight).

[@whomagoose6897]

I have a wooden long bow with an arrow shelf. Rated at 55-pounds. I was informed the 55 pound pull weight is based on a measurement of 28-inches, or 71.12 cm, of bow draw distance. Total length of the long bow, tip to tip, is 6 feet or 1.7 meters. My draw length is 32 inches or 81.28cm. I use 34 inch, or 86.36cm, length arrows 86.36cm. All arrows are Easton aluminum alloy arrows. Total arrow length does not include the tips on the arrows. I have typical field points and broad head tips suitable for hunting.

[@whomagoose6897]

@@TheWayofArchery Thanks for the explanation. There must be something I still don't understand. If the formula is (bow weight) ÷ (body weight) equals the percentage of bow weight to body mass weight. Then formula for me is (55)÷(300) = 0.18333333. Which means the listed bow weight on the bow is 18.3% of my body weight. What am doing wrong? Maybe you are using metric measurements. I do standard (Imperial) measurements. That could be the problem. I'm not understanding something about this measurement.

[@TheWayofArchery]

@@whomagoose6897 I'm using Imperial units as well. The ratio of (bow draw weight) / (body's mass) is just a way to express strength relative to the size of the archer. They do something similar for weightlifting or powerlifting (where they'll say so-and-so can lift 2.5x their body weight).

[@whomagoose6897]

@@TheWayofArchery Thanks for the reply. I think I'll have to make a measuring device like you have to measure poundage pull on my bow to the 32" pull length. I found out the listed 55 pound pull weight is a standard measurement for a 28 inch distance pull. I think any more pull distance beyond that 28" distance weight measurement has an exponential growth rate increase. Someday I would like to get one of those Japanese long bows and a Korean short recurve bow. Saw a video of a Korean short bow with a arrow holder to shoot short arrows. The Koreans and Japanese have been at some level of war for a long time. Since the Koreans have a bow that can shoot the short Korean arrows and the longer Japanese arrows Korean bowmen had an advantage. The Japanese bowmen could only shoot the longer arrows. Korean shooters were able to shoot Japanese arrows back at the Japanese. That's at least twice as much "ammo" for the Koreans. Pure genius!

[@sitrilko]

Oh man, you can actually see the thickness of the bow! Reading your description section, seems like we're on a similar path, mr. Ma! I just turned 30, not really that athletic, and I am myself curious how far and in what time can I get with draw weight. Hopefully one day I'll be able to share something.

[@TheWayofArchery]

Gradually and with careful attention to technique and you'll get there.

[@McFudden]

Amazing..! You're just keep going up and up.. good job Justin..!

[@forgeofknowledge9309]

That's interesting, when strung this bow is 8" at rest and you draw it to 28" meaning all that power is in just 20" of the draw. As someone who shoots a 107lb at 30" Longbow that is 6" at rest, I can't but marvel at the power unlocked by that bow in merely 20" of draw length.

[@croceaMors1]

Heavy bow to shoot with a thumb ring, impressive.