FIRST TIME WATCHING *STAR WARS: REVENGE OF THE SITH III*

[@thedarkwolf67]

27:05 “as long as i don’t see him killing the young ones…” *Anakin marching up with the youngling slayer 9000* Shakespearian level comedy.

[@OreoGamingGeek]

JFC "the youngling slayer 9000" 🤣🤣🤣

[@daysand123]

They shouldn't have called him master. Such a diss to go out on.

[@PrixtoTNT]

31:54 Fun fact: It's said as a cute theory among fans that the reason R2 never obeys the order of staying still while the main characters go somewhere in the original trilogy is because last time he obeyed that order he never saw Anakin again

[@Norbert_Sattler]

Sorry, but with the stunts that R2 did in episode 2, that really doesn't make sense to me. He was already going on his own adventures, of his own initiative back then. Besides, it's official canon that droids get some weird personality quirks, if they aren't mind-wiped periodically, which apparently never happened to R2 between the two trilogies, while C3PO definitely got wiped at the end of this movie.

[@Haimgard]

R2 is the real MC so he does what he wants.

[@coruscanta]

@@Norbert_SattlerI mean R2 could’ve still had that tendency - enhanced/emphasized if not created - because of that theory. He was already fairly independent, but because of losing Anakin, he’s now dedicated to that independence and protectiveness.

[@NileMcKenna]

I remember you on like bare peoples jojo reactions from ages ago wtf

[@PrixtoTNT]

@NileMcKenna Yeah that's most definetely me. How you doing?

[@idog540]

“You killed her. You killed her because, finally, when you _could_ have saved her, when you could have gone _away_ with her, when you could have been thinking about _her,_ you were thinking about _yourself_ … It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith- Because now your _self_ is all you will ever have.” -an excerpt from the Revenge of the Sith novelization

[@si2foo]

naah he killed her the moment he tried to save her. she was in no danger he could have done the smart thing and protected her himself fortgo the fighting and defend his woman to his last breath.

[@FellsApprentice]

Matt Stover is a gods-blessed genius

[@DogmaticNonsense]

@@si2foo "She was in no danger..." Yea, lets agree to disagree on that one.

[@jeremymorris6738]

The novel for this one is on another level from the film.

[@Mrryn]

​@@jeremymorris6738The prequel novelizations, especially for RotS, give so much weight and context to the scenes in the movie that are almost nonexistent in the dialogue or performances. Not a fault of the actors but of the script and the direction. Lucas tried for Shakespearean tragedy so hard yet ended up just above high school drama club reenactment, but the novels pick up the slack and then some.

[@roberttheronin9803]

Fun fact, when the kid backed away from Anakin in fear, it's because Hayden Christensen said "Boo"

[@admiralrogers1157]

That’s cute

[@DanGamingFan2406]

Fun fact: Hayden Christensen (Anakin/Vader) and Ewan McGregor (Obi-Wan) trained in fencing and fitness for two months to prepare for their final battle. As a result of their practice, the speed at which Kenobi and Vader engage the duel (in the completed movie) is the speed in which it was filmed, and was not digitally accelerated. 💜

[@stephanginther9051]

I love it when actors do that. In The Princess Bride, the sword fight scene between 'you killed my father' and 'as you wish' was originally supposed to be brief. The actors trained so hard and so long that they were unhappy about that and wanted a longer, more engaged scene to show what they'd learned, and thankfully, the director approved.

[@alexiaNBC]

Even in the Phantom Menace, Ewan McGregor and Ray Park were going too fast during the Darth Maul and Obi Wan duel that they actually digitally slowed down the action so that it would last longer.

[@BeControversialAlways]

@@stephanginther9051 Speaking of that movie, a video here on YT "How 3 lines completely changed a character" is a great watch.

[@inspector_beyond]

They actually was asked to slow down, because their movements were so fast, the ameras could not capture where the lightsaber prop blades connected, which made the footage unusable for post-production (which includes tracking the lightsaber blades)

[@hyhyd6135]

The force is strong in them

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

According to the novelisation, Vader's surgeries took days to complete, and he _never once stopped screaming._

[@kagato3]

And the suit was made to be unresponsive, and painful.

[@alexiaNBC]

And Palpatine's first act after he emerged in the suit was to electrocute Vader with Force Lightning demonstrating how weak he was in comparison to his previous self.

[@rishin7852]

Well the suit took inspiration from Darth Malgus, that's why Palpatine use it on Vader but instead he giving him with the outdated suit.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

"You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!" - such a powerful delivery, it just rips my heart out everytime. That final lightsaber duel and Order 66 both go so hard.

[@sarafontanini7051]

and what makes it hurt more is how anakin screams "I HATE YOU!", looking like a pathetic monster while Obi Wan can just look at him in pity and despair

[@adamwebster1666]

Also a diagnosis of why Anakin failed. What the boy needed was a FATHER.

[@kingdamazo7266]

@adamwebster1666 he needed to have never became a Jedi in retrospect But he did _eventually_ redeem himself so it pans out ok

[@adamwebster1666]

@@kingdamazo7266 If Qui-gon had lived and been a Annakin’s mentor, would things have turned out the same? The 6 movies that matter revolve around fatherhood and what it means. The Duel of the Fates is so named because of the boy, and the light side lost when Qui-gon dies. Annakin is not inherently bad, every kid has the makings of a monster.

[@kingdamazo7266]

@@adamwebster1666 did I say Anakin was inherently problematic? No. I said he should've never become a Jedi. We all know his emotions & the connection he had to his family were what eventually led to his undoing down the line. Even if Qui-Gon had survived, what would be done differently?

[@WhatKindOfNameNow]

20:20 This point about Qui-Gon training/raising Anakin is exactly why the fight between Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Maul in The Phantom Menace (and the score that plays during that fight) is called Duel of the Fates. It's a duel for the fate of Anakin, and the fate of the galaxy.

[@89Keith]

And the dark side won the duel

[@LukaBlight69]

Yep. Obi won the battle, but lost the war.

[@cassidepowers7006]

Was about to explain it myself. Thank you for putting it so well.

[@XionDarkblood13]

For some fun lore trivia: Anakin living actually kinda undermines Palpatine in a weird way. After losing Padme, Vader is so consumed with self loathing, he’s actually a terrible Sith Lord because he has no ambition for power. Throughout the comics and stuff, Palpatine is trying to replace him but Vader is so determined to stay alive and suffer he kills every potential replacement out of spite. I mean they were trying to kill him too but Anakin hates himself so much that he refuses to die so he can keep suffering. By doing so he actually does destroy the Sith in ideology and eventually by killing Palpatine.

[@dweller132]

Not to mention that Anakin ended up practically handicapped from the burning and lost limbs, so Vader is weaker and more vulnerable. The major benefit is that Palpatine knows this and can keep Vader in line, and potentially kill him easily. Vader is still quite strong, but not at his peak, and can be defeated by exploiting the weaknesses of the suit that sustains him.

[@benschultz1784]

And Vader doesn't figure he could challenge Palpatine until he finds out about Luke.

[@XionDarkblood13]

@@dweller132 true but Anakin was a master mechanic and tinkerer. If he didn’t hate himself, he could have upgraded that suit and his prosthetics to overcome this weakness. He has no ambition and the closest thing to it is bringing padme back somehow but that’s a lost cause. He also wants to suffer and punish himself.

[@XionDarkblood13]

@@benschultz1784 I don’t think he ever wanted to. He wanted to revel in his misery and suffer in the bed he had made for himself. He had no ambitions that a Sith apprentice needs to surpass his master.

[@Amadeo790]

@@dweller132just like a handicapped person relearning to walk and run again, Vader had to retool his fighting style as well seeing as he had lost the agility he enjoyed as Anakin. His new fighting style uses his powerful prosthetics and armor to his advantage for overwhelming strength and his guard protects his vulnerable control panel bellow his chest.

[@CyberDalek17]

I love that the filter is removed whenever there's a meme, "Do It" "Hello There" and "I have the High Ground"

[@WolfODonnelfan]

Whenever someone says 'Hello There' when I meet them IRL, even with obvious non-SW watchers/fans, I always get an overwhelming urge to respond with 'General Kenobi'.

[@Tomha]

"I dunno how he survived that." *Maul screaming "KENOBIIIIII!" In the distance.*

[@PrinceJoseHerrera]

Meanwhile in the Kenobi show “Obi-Wan… (wheezing) *OBI-WAN!!!* “ -Anakin/Vader both give me chills of what all three have gone through like it’s pulling both my nostalgia and heart strings

[@sarafontanini7051]

BAAAAAYLLLLEEEE!!!!!! CUIRSE YOU BAAAAYYYYLLLLEEEE!!!!

[@GAdmThrawn]

Shhh, she doesn't know.

[@austinkersey2445]

To be fair, Maul's resurrection was an ass-pull by Filoni and company. It's kinda bullshit.

[@ShinigamiRyan]

@@austinkersey2445 Not really. It happened in Legends too.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

This movie spawned so many memes that it became one of the most beloved Star Wars movie ever.

[@TheKyrix82]

I called that decades ago. Soneday people will love the Prequels. And naturally, everyone's like "No, that'll never happen, these are bad movies and they'll always be bad"

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

@@TheKyrix82 You can thank the sequels for making people appreciate the prequels more. The Clone Wars TV series also helped too.

[@austinsultenfuss7661]

@@TheKyrix82you know prequels are only so beloved now because the sequels were so bad right? They lowered the bar so much the prequels look great in comparison

[@HaganeNoGijutsushi]

I love how she laughed at "Hello there!", the moment didn't become a meme for nothing.

[@TheKyrix82]

@austinsultenfuss7661 Actually no, the Prequels are so beloved now for a number of reasons, including the fandom having something new to hate. First off, people are 20 years removed from the peer pressure of needing to hate them. They've also had twenty years to rewatch and appreciate them. And two generations of people who grew up with the Prequels have grown up and are adding their voices to the conversation. Face it, the fandom loves to hate everything new, and it always fades away. Always. I've seen this since the Special Editions cane out, and it's been happening even longer than that.

[@ghostspider2056]

In one of the comics, Darth Vader had a dream where everything went right for him. He becomes a master, Padme becomes the Chancellor and named their son after Qui Gon. He forced himself to wake, probably out of guilt.

[@Kjf365]

"Qui Gon Skywalker" quite a mouthful lmao.

[@Mrryn]

​@@Kjf365Imagine if he hyphenated the last name and gave him his master's name for a middle name. Qui Gon Obi Wan Amidala-Skywalker 😂

[@andrewlynch4126]

@@Mrryn bro would fail kindergarten because he can’t write his name

[@darrenheideman2546]

@@ghostspider2056 Oh, yeah, one of the newer Disney ones.

[@robertchaney2704]

26:00 yeah a lot of people get kind of tripped up by this scene but its just like you said. Anakain just killed one of the most important people in the galaxy, no matter what from here on out his life is basically over. He's definitely losing his rank as a Jedi knight, if due process has its way hell likely go to prison, hell never get the power he wants and Padme will die. As far as he's concerned the only option left is to double down and hope this all leads somewhere worth it

[@kevthepoet]

20:20 OH MY GOD YOU'RE THE BEST honestly the observation that if Qui Gon raised Anakin he wouldn't have turned to the darkside is SO on point, the main theme music for Qui Gons last battle is called Duel of the Fates because George Lucas said that lightsaber battle that ended Qui Gons life sealed the fate of Anakin and therefore the galaxy, because Lucas agreed that without Qui Gon to guide him Anakins fate was sealed. You ALWAYS have the best observations in your reactions to Star Wars and Lord of the Rings but that's my favourite one because thats a point the creator stated was important but hidden from the main plot. None of the characters ever say as much but George had it in the overall plot. You also notice all of Palpatines psychological manipulations and gaslighting.

[@randoman9122]

Woah, I love that

[@fanboygaming7383]

Yup, had a goofy ass smile on my face when she said that.

[@SorchaSublime]

Fun fact about Jedi Starfighters: they're significantly smaller than normal starfighters because they're designed to be piloted by Jedi, meaning they need essentially no on board tracking or telemetry systems beyond the bare essentials (ie life support and radio). It's like how Luke put away his targeting computer in A New Hope. Jedi don't need that shit, so when you design a ship specifically for jedi you don't bother with it. They also don't have shields which in hindsight may not have been too smart, but its only a problem if the Jedi don't see the attack coming...

[@mordirit8727]

Anakin: my powers have doubled since last we met, Count Dooku: you mean since last week? Anakin: I'm a quick learner! Dooku, exasperated: you told me, and I quote... "I, am a _slow_ learner"

[@reginaldgickington4793]

Anakin: I'm a liar Dooku: How do I know you're not lying now? Anakin: I have an honest face Dooku: If a self admitted liar says he has an honest face, do you believe him?

[@mordirit8727]

@@reginaldgickington4793 Palpatine: JUST FIGHT HIM Obi-Wan: with all due respect, chancellor, I'm known as "the Negotiator!"

[@samwallaceart288]

"We'll handle him because you could say, that _Sith Lords are our speciality!"_ Anakin: "--You finally got to say it, Master!" 😀

[@victormirandakoepke8352]

I really want to watch that fucking 3h long Thesis man...

[@NErDy-pr1jf]

Seals are good reference! Glad to see it’s gaining popularity

[@Orendiz]

12:56 The reason he suddenly cares about the jedi code is becouse of the hypocrisy from the jedi council that does not like it when Anakin breaks the code. But now all of a sudden they want him to break the code instead of them confronting the problem the jedi way.

[@Kazuhiroaka]

And then it's highlighted with Windu trying to execute Palpatine with no trial. He clearly regretted killing Dooku and hid it knowing the order would kick him out and now the second in command of the order is willing to do the exact same thing.

[@Kjf365]

It also lended credence to what Palpatine said to him earlier. "The Jedi and the Sith are similar in almost every way." But Anakin was still trying to believe the Jedi were right because that's what he always believed, and that he was the problem. But then Windu goes and proves him right like they did constantly.

[@666FallenShadow]

@@Kazuhiroaka to be fair, the emperor was playing him and pretending to be weak and frail and defeated. Windu was 100% right in executing him then and there because Palps WAS the senate at this point, basically killing him was the last chance for the jedi to win whereas Dooku was literally dis-armed and no longer a threat and he was a soldier on the opposing side so he had no way of evading justice and a trial

[@DerpyTurtle0762]

I swear to god yall will *LOVE* The Clone Wars, you have got to watch it next. It makes Anakin's character and the clones even better and also helps explain Order 66 later on. Just make sure you look up a list of episodes in chronological order, as they were not released in timeline order. Also the theme song is dope

[@DavidGarcia-kw4sf]

Yes. The Clone Wars goes into great detail to show how all of this unfolds and why the clones acted as they did. It's a great series.

[@LittleGalaxyBoy]

I highly recommend The Clone Wars (2008-2020), which fills in the gap between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. It focuses on the Clone Wars conflict that the movies largely skipped over. The series spans seven seasons, but I'd suggest watching only the key episodes to get through it faster. It adds so much to the overall lore and does a great job at highlighting the relationship between Anakin and Obi Wan better than any past movies or series. While also showing the two sides of the Republic and CIS along with the addition of other factions, such as The Mandalorians. Clone Wars (2003) is also fantastic, offering a much more over-the-top and exaggerated depiction of the conflict and the Jedi. I’ve always seen the series as how the war might have sounded to children hearing tales about it. In contrast, the movies and The Clone Wars (2008) present a more "grounded" take on the conflict. Both are excellent in their own ways, each showcasing a unique perspective on the Clone Wars. As for Star Wars: Rebels, a loose follow-up to The Clone Wars set in the five years leading up to A New Hope, it’s much better structured and includes far less filler. Many of the episodes tie back into the larger story by the end. Since Clone Wars was canceled they finished off a few story-lines in Rebels, Clone Wars then came back for a final Season around 2020/2021 with the final stroy arc taking place alongside Revenge of the Sith and it's amazing. I love both shows, but The Clone Wars can be a bit daunting to jump into, especially because the early seasons are not in chronological order. Bad Batch is another great series set right after Clone Wars and shows the aftermath of the Republic falling and the rise of the Empire. Bad Batch is a great watch coming off Revenge of the Sith if you want to see what happens right after the film. Season 3 of Bad Batch is simply some of the best Star Wars content. Timeline: (BBY: Before A New Hope) Attack of the Clones - *22 BBY* The Clone Wars - *22 to 19 BBY* Revenge of the Sith - *19 BBY*

[@andco53]

Missed Rogue One, right before A New Hope

[@LittleGalaxyBoy]

@@andco53 Only including the shows I've mentioned in relation to the main films. But 100% Rogue One is set just right before A New Hope. i just did not want to create a long timeline that includes everything lol

[@dimetrodon2250]

@@LittleGalaxyBoy Plus mentioning exactly where Rouge One is on the timeline kinda spoils the ending a little bit

[@Mightymatt4000]

And solo a Star wars story and andor

[@rvb1caboose]

😮😮😅😮😮

[@DraconianBS]

21:00 Yeah, Anakin needed a father figure. Obi-Wan unfortunately could only be like an older brother. Also Qui Gon was skeptical of the Jedi Order and how they had strayed from the path, but Obi-Wan was like the poster child perfect indoctrinated Jedi. If Qui Gon didn't die, Star Wars would have gone VERY differently!

[@EvilEye0]

That's why the song was called Duel of the Fates, Qui Gon or Obi-Wan, rise or fall.

[@Skölly-b6h]

He wasn’t skeptical of the Jedi order they just had different opinions. They still respected one another.

[@rishin7852]

​@@Skölly-b6h But still Qui Gon feels something wrong about the Order even Dooku did.

[@Skölly-b6h]

@ he didn’t feel anything was wrong you guys are just making that up all it was is just having different opinions that’s it

[@WolfODonnelfan]

@@Skölly-b6h I personally disagree. Imo, he very much disagreed with how the Jedi Order had become, how they were becoming too dogmatic. If anything, The Jedi Order at episode 3 wasn't really that much better than The Sith imo. Even Revan when he was a Dark Jedi during the Mandalorian Wars was a better Jedi in terms of 'being uncorrupted' than any of the Jedi Masters on the council in episode 3, but that's just my opinion.

[@aletorw1025]

In the scene where Windu and the other 3 Jedi confronted Palpatine: The scream of Palpatine was a force scream, which is a powerful dark side attack, that can leave enemies incapacitated. Normally you are centered insinde the force, but that scream forces them out of that point, which is why he was able to easily defeat the 3 Jedi. It is basically a wave of negative emotions, I believe. Only Windu, who is one of a few Jedi that use their emotions in fight, was able to withstand.

[@mickyflint]

the force equivalent to a flashbang or an airhorn in someone's ear? neat!

[@coruscanta]

As much as I do love it as an in universe explanation, it’ll never not look…wacky to me in the movie. Definitely a moment that could’ve used a little more development or something.

[@Senkoau]

@@coruscanta Why I prefer the novel where he opens by inviting a master who's a telepath to read his mind and prove his innocence then strikes and kills two while their guard is done. He then fights two on one for awhile before killing Kit.

[@coruscanta]

@@Senkoau I’ve heard great things about the novelization but have yet to read it for myself. I gotta change that soon for sure after hearing that.

[@SubzeroBlack68]

@@coruscanta It was also stated in the Novel that they move so fast in combat that you cant even see them except blurs of light from their lightsabers clashing. One of the Feats from another Sith was stated to be so fast and accurate with his blade that he could accurately hit every singe drop of rain in a storm before it woud every touch the ground. Leaving about 20ft around him completely dry. Master force weilders are practically Planetary threats, which is why the Jedi code are so strict.

[@echobucket]

I wonder if people realize, he says "Hello there" because this is what Alec Guinness says to R2D2 in A New Hope.

[@proteamdirector]

The novelization of this movie ends with an extremely haunting perspective from Anakin under Vader’s mask. It’s called: “This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker forever…”

[@alexknj1]

What makes the line more impactful is how that phrasing is littered through the book, "this is how it feels to be..."

[@shadowdragon7347]

Finally, this is my favorite star wars movie. Also, fun fact! The duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan is one of, if not THE longest sword fights in movie history AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LONGER

[@HaganeNoGijutsushi]

I feel like "the longest sword fights in movie history" requires a "live action" category because otherwise I'm sure there has to be some anime movie (let alone show) that beats that.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

"Then his fate will be the same as ours." What Anakin said there was true... everyone in that room died by his hands.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

@@DanGamingFan2406 I thought that quote was foreshadowing that the 3 of them would die in a Death star.

[@cambelloroxy9420]

@@nobblkpraetorian5623I mean both things are correct

[@2ndlegend125]

The Duel of the Fates is what the fight between Quigon and Obi-Wan vs. Maul is called. It's when Anakin's fall is actually kind of cemented. What Anakin needed more than anything else was a father figure who would understand his struggles. Without Quigon, he doesn't get that from the jedi. Obi-Wan wasn't capable of being a father to Anakin. Instead, Palpatine preyed on that. He acted like a father to Anakin, who would be "honest" and "sympathetic" with him. This ends up endearing Anakin more towards Palpatine than the Jedi order, especially after the Jedi are being very unsypathetic to his issues.

[@enlightened_orca]

Another fun fact: (and why I love these movies SO MUCH) In 'A New Hope', when Luke asks about Ben, Uncle Owen says 'I don't think he exists anymore. (referring to Obi-Wan) He died about the same time as your father". This is same thought process of Vader 'killing' Anakin. Obi-Wan and Anakin both 'died' in their duel, replaced by a physically broken Darth Vader and an emotionally broken Ben Kenobi.

[@dxov1597]

This movies my favourite of the prequels. It’s an emotional ride and well done film for the most part In my opinion. I definitely didn’t hate them as much as everyone used to. Like these movies were HATED by Star Wars fans for 15 years or so until the sequels came out then everyone started to respect these films. I’m kind of glad they are more respected now. Padme or twins lol

[@chaost4544]

The Clone Wars tv show had a greater impact on people's viewpoint of the prequels. People warming up to the prequels started long before the sequel series came out.

[@leonrussell9607]

This is the prequels, not the originals

[@dxov1597]

@@chaost4544 the clone wars were awesome

[@dxov1597]

@leonrussell9607 I edited out my mistake

[@mynameisbonbon]

Fun fact, that Padawan that shows up as Bail Organa is leaving the temple after Order 66, and fights a bunch of clones before dying, is George Lucas' son

[@krajicsek13]

Imagine that conversation George: Son do you want to play a Padawan, kill some clones and getting shot by them? Jett: Hell yeah

[@crimsonknight7011]

There is a hilarious meme where Anakin activates his lightsaber and then all the younglings activate theirs and Anakin gets stomped.

[@MegaNinjaRyan]

6:06 fun fact: originally George Lucas considered having Palpatine tell Anakin that Dooku gave the order to the Sand People to have his mother killed. Probably to feed into the nightmares he was having at the time. I think his visions are manipulated by Palpatine so he falls to the dark side easier with the fear of his visions being real. Of course explaining this in the story might take up unnecessary time trying to explain all that so the idea was scrapped.

[@rickymoranjr9609]

The movie's ending when Obi-Wan said "You were my brother Anakin! I loved you!" really broke me, especially when the Clone Troopers turn against the Jedi Knights and slaughter them all! Younglings included! 🥺😢😭

[@drewwar9344]

Which contributed to the downfall of anakin he loved him and could not see what he was becoming Through The war And he needed a father figure, not a brother Which is why episode 1 is called dual of the fates it's literally the duel for the fate of anakin's soul

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@@drewwar9344 good point

[@TheKyrix82]

The novel makes it so much worse, because it starts with people all over the galaxy KNOWING Palpatine will be rescued, because Obi Wan and Anakin were going...and NO ONE could beat them

[@rickymoranjr9609]

@@TheKyrix82 yeah that does sound worse

[@TheKyrix82]

@@rickymoranjr9609 They literally spare a couple lines describing children all over the galaxy comforting theur parents, because Anakin and Obi Wan are on the job. The book takes time to establish the relationship it's about to destroy, and what it means to the galaxy

[@kingofsnekes4007]

24:22 You are missing the context that he killed those two Jedi Masters in 0.6 SECONDS. It had to be slowed down so people could what was happening

[@rustyattacker]

Yeah, the speed Palpatine moves in this moment is so fast that he's literally described as a shadow in the novelization. The dark side is so potent in him that he's able to do similar feats to Yoda despite both of them being old, but thanks to that, their age being more knowledge of the force, allowing the insane acrobatics. Also, while Palpatine was taking advantage of being back on the ground, it's confirmed that Mace Windu did win the duel fair and square. His lightsaber form makes it so each strike is more powerful than the last and he was able to over power him...Until Anakin came in with the assist.

[@Victor-bl2ge]

​@@rustyattacker It's crazier than that ANAKIN couldn't track them. The fucking chosen one.

[@NakedSnake1836]

32:04- Yoda has some nerve saying that when he too was responsible for pushing Anakin towards the dark side such which led to the near destruction of the Jedi Order and there were factors that proved it so: 1. He and the Council members doubted that he was the Chosen One and were more concerned of sensing the fear in Anakin when he was first brought in by Qui-Gon Jinn. 2. Instead of giving him specialized training, Skywalker was treated like any other Jedi which led him to become arrogant, impatient and annoying. 3. Never confronted Anakin following him massacring the Tusken Raider camp. 4. Kept Skywalker in the dark following Obi-Wan Kenobi's "death" during the Clone Wars. 5. Despite knowing that Anakin Skywalker's Padawan Ahsoka Tano wasn't responsible for the Jedi Temple Bombing, he decided to have her expelled for the sake of saving the Order's public image and turned his back on her, causing her to lose faith and trust in them that upon having her named cleared, she chose not to return to an Order that didn't trust her.

[@smartalec2001]

They never knew about the Tusken Raider massacre. Anakin only ever told Padme and Palpatine.

[@NakedSnake1836]

@@smartalec2001 Qui-Gon told Yoda about it too through the Force, but the Grandmaster did nothing.

[@smartalec2001]

@@NakedSnake1836 In what piece of media was that?

[@shadowfiresword]

Oh it's even worse than that. So after they inducted anakin into the jedi system, they did nothing for his mother, despite specifically having been informed of his upbringing all this time. I'm not saying they needed to induct her into the order as a house keeper or anything, but literally they just left her there as a slave for nearly a decade. In addition to that every time you see the Jedi council interacting with Anakin they are endlessly asking him to do extremely difficult dangerous tasks, typically while half the council is sitting around on their asses. (You see this more in episode 2 than 3) Regardless they are staggeringly arrogant, and give off much the same vibe as a boss calling you in to work on the weekend because they are short staffed while they have their feet up at a beach drinking. Finally and I think this is the breaking point for him with the order is everytime they need Anakin to do something, it is in violation of their order's code, but anytime Anakin is looking for respect or acknowledgement of what he's done for them up to this point (keep in mind he's a military leader and their equivalent of a purple heart) they are always drawing a line in the sand and declaring 'we are on this side, but you have earned nothing so stay over there.' Enough shit like that and anybody will eventually snap, especially under the pressure of losing the woman he loves and his future children. I don't agree with the choices he made or the logic he follows to get there, but goddamn if the jedi council weren't full of shit also.

[@SubzeroBlack68]

@@shadowfiresword The Jedi Council arent always sitting on their asses. They are on the frontlines and the battlefield leading as generals as much as Anakin and Obi-Wan are on the field of battle. The Jedi Council being a military force is already pushing them past their limits. They are meant to be like monks and their connection to the force make them almost godlike beings. Once you accept the Jedi Order you are accepting complete disconnection with the material world. Even in the books it was stated that his mother was able to contact him a few time and on their last contact she specifically told him not to worry about her and/or contact her ever again. So he can fulfill the obligation he made to the Jedi Order. At that point in time she was already no longer a slave. (which was a little over 1yr after Anakin joined the Jedi as a Padawan.)

[@dragonson04]

For Leia remembering her mother, it is either one of two things, in my opinion. 1. She remembers Padme through some deep-set force connection. Even as a brand new born baby, she could feel Padme's sadness and it stuck with her. Or, 2. she remembers Senator Ograna's wife.

[@realJoeMavro]

Maybe a bit of both.

[@TAGfrost]

Anakin turned to the dark side because the Jedi Order failed him emotionally. They feared his fear, suppressing his emotions instead of teaching him to temper them. He was caught between Qui-Gon's encouragement of instinct and Obi-Wan's criticism of his recklessness, leaving him conflicted and alienated. This lack of trust and support made him vulnerable to Palpatine's manipulation. Luke, on the other hand, was guided by a wiser Yoda and a more understanding Obi-Wan, who taught him to acknowledge and balance his emotions. Instead of suppressing fear and attachment, Luke learned to face them with faith and self-control. This balance helped him resist the dark side where Anakin couldn’t. Palpatine controlled Anakin by isolating him emotionally and feeding his fears. He exploited Anakin's anger, guilt, and desire for power, while the flawed, painful design of Vader's suit kept him in constant suffering. Palpatine ensured Vader felt trapped, dependent, and unworthy of redemption. When Luke showed compassion and mercy, choosing forgiveness over vengeance, it broke through Anakin's cycle of pain and anger, freeing him from Palpatine's grip and allowing him to return to the light.

[@Grendallmayo]

gotta love that the animated stuff before this did Grievous so fantastically that George Lucas decided to make him a wheezing scrap heap in the movie 😆

[@Avenger85438]

Nope. What happened is the creator was given the design of Grievous before he was finished and ran wild with, because he likes Terminator style villains.

[@Emiliodelgado25]

This was the only Star Wars movie I ever had after I saw that movie in theaters. Actually when I got the DVD, it was actually a double disk bonus where the second one was A backstory talk with C-3PO and R2-D2 that tells the story of the 4 5 6& 1 2 and it was great

[@darrenheideman2546]

There's a lot of unused ideas that really would've changed things. One piece of concept art, when Padme confronts Anakin, she's hiding a dagger behind her back.

[@willythekid0768]

Man one of the first times general Grievous appeared in the Genndy Tartakovsky cartoon he was such a menace. Not in the movie though or the clone wars show though.

[@werwolfnate]

The biggest comparison is that in the movie, they rely on the "he has four arms" thing to make him seem threatening. When in the Genndy version, he's nigh unstoppable, AND THEN it's revealed he'd been holding back.

[@matsudoambition2509]

@@werwolfnate just the difference in theme songs, his movie version is cool and all but the old one presents him as a slasher villain, which he is for the jedi

[@MrAlyxandyr]

"Sounds like he's taking her life force" Bruh, NAILED IT

[@andrewjones6583]

Fun facts about Order 66 and the clones: In both Legends and Disney continuity. Only about 100 Jedi survived Order 66. In both continuities the Jedi were actually aware of the order as all the contingency plans were presented to both Jedi and the senate but both parties were led to believe the order was meant to arrest rouge Jedi hence it was approved by both parties. In Disney canon the order was executed by organic microchips in the clones brains that brainwashed them while in Legends Canon the clones didn’t have these chips, but rather they did so out of blind loyalty to the republic as most of the clones didn’t really respect the Jedi as generals and truly believed they were going traitor, although thanks to that in Legends it was much easier for some clones to go against the order because they realized that something didn’t add up

[@matsudoambition2509]

Honestly both versions are kinda great One is the hidden evil turning of free will and turning you from a person into but more than a machine One is the manipulation to make them do your dirty work while believing to fight for the ideals they were created to protect (or so they belief)

[@andrewjones6583]

Sadly most clones in both canons had little to absolutely no regret over their actions, in Disney it’s because they really didn’t have the choice, while in Legends the clones really couldn’t care less about the Jedi, they saw them as incompetent leaders, especially after the disastrous first battle of Geonosis, which resulted in the casualties of over half the Clone Commandos, and I believe most of the original ARC troops too, which in Legends were the earliest clones produced on Kamino after Boba and were considered to be the most skilled and unpredictable as they were most largely unmodified and were personally trained by Jango himself

[@williammcginnis7772]

@@andrewjones6583 mhn most of the Jedi 'generals' had no respect from their clones as they didn't really care for the clones themselves, which is why Plo Koon has the sadest betrayel

[@Shadx27]

The issue is not Anakin was too old to start training or he life experiences were to harsh, it was the fact the Jedi are so willfully ignorant of the dark side and actively stop any form of therapy outside of just "Suck it up and comply", that when Anakin had choices to make, he had extremely few options and went with the worst. IE "Do not feel anger." it should be "See where you anger comes from, understand, but do not give into anger. Anger blinds you in the end." Ignorance is the worst defense strategy there is, and the Jedi are so ignorant of the Dark Side now, they couldn't even tell that Palpatine was the Sith Lord.

[@umbradens6129]

ive always said this whole franchise could have been avoided if they went back and freed his mom then hired a decent therapist

[@drewwar9344]

It's not really that they are ignorant of the dark side.It's just they believed it was defeated Not only that but the jedi temple is built on an old sith temple And palpatine uses this to cloud their visions And put a fog over the jedis eyes

[@drewwar9344]

And when the should I say don't feel your anger?They don't literally mean ignore it.This is why they have meditation.They have classes for dealing with this type of stuff And it wasn't up to them to free his mothe should have learned. To lose the attachment which is why they said he was too old. He had already grown a bond with his mother Which is why they take infants And a very small children

[@Shadx27]

@@drewwar9344 That is what they say, but in practice, it did not work out. Jedi of old had families, studied the dark side, etc.. but the fear of the dark side and arrogance of the Jedi lead them to the state they were in by these movies. In the Clone Wars series, several Jedi just didn't have a clue on what to do once they are actually got angry or faced fear with disastrous consequences, and most of it because the Jedi never actually taught 'how to deal with' instead taught 'don't feel it and push it down'. Elsa story in other words.

[@anka_bsky]

-"master yoda i'm depressed" +"tried have you, not being depressed?" - :I

[@ryanwight9116]

I wish we could’ve gotten more of Count Dooku, especially Christopher Lee playing him And Padme

[@VinVonVoom]

6:05 No joke in the original script Count Dooku reveals right here that he paid the Tusken Raiders to kill Schmi.

[@1krani]

Glad Christopher Lee wasn't scared to talk to Lucas. Everyone seems to think Lucas was this untouchable ivory tower type of director, yet this and Dooku's silent death show the exact opposite. He was ready to listen to his actors because he knew he wasn't very good at directing people.

[@WolfODonnelfan]

@@1krani Lucas, even with all his strengths and his vision, was always really bad when it came to dealing with the dialogue of the characters. Most good lines from SW came from someone besides George.

[@1krani]

@@WolfODonnelfan He was good at seeing the big picture and the subtext of his characters, but not the text. That's why you get the fantastic visual characterization of Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting on Mustafar... but also get the rather clumsy dialogue they exchange on that little square platform.

[@WolfODonnelfan]

@@1krani I couldn't agree more. It's like you typed what I was thinking but didn't know how to translate into english (since english is my third language). Heck, I've even said 'from my point of view the Jedi are just as bad as the Sith' when discussing SW with friends, not realizing that I almost quoted what Anakin said because I fully agreed with the message of what he was saying.

[@GhostWatcher2024]

"Hello there!" Obi-Wan is such troll. If you watch the Clone Wars series, he trolls EVERYbody all throughout, especially Anakin.

[@michaeldonovan6876]

20:36 you hit it on the head. Anakin and Obi-wan are like brothers but Anakin didn’t need a brother, he needed a father. That’s why the song during the duel in episode 1 is called ‘duel of the fates’. If Qui-gon survived he would have been Anakin’s father figure instead of Palpatine.

[@jgrado3]

The genius of Palpatine’s manipulation of Anakin: He never lied to him. Between Obi-Wan fearing Anakin’s power (“the boy is dangerous”) to the Council not trusting him (“I don’t trust him.”) to his offer to help save Padme (“He could even keep the ones he cared about from dying”), everything Palpatine told Anakin was technically true. Windu even confirmed the Jedi would have to take over the Republic after arresting Palpatine. Even after Anakin’s transformation into Vader, Palpatine cemented Anakin’s loyalty with some hard truth: He did attack Padme in anger and Padme did not survive. Where’s the lie? And Anakin’s no fool. He’s not power hungry. At the time of Palpatine’s arrest, there’s only one extra power he wants. If you have to choose between two corrupt factions, you’re gonna go with the one that’s promising to save your wife.

[@5353Jumper]

Except that as a Jedi, Anakin already had the power to save the ones he loved from dying. It is a base role of the Jedi and they save people constantly. Even literally, "force heal" is a light side ability. In the end Vader did save Luke from dying - when he turned back to the light side.

[@wastelandlegocheem]

I love the agreed confirmation that even if anakin disnt betray palpatine, the republic wouldnt be perfect. There would still be a MASSIVE bacllash and chaos from the death of the chenselor

[@smartalec2001]

It's in the things he didn't say! Lying by omission is still lying, big-time. Calling the Jedi corrupt may be going a bit far, though. They and Palpatine certainly aren't morally or ethically comparable. From Anakin's point of view they might be, but the whole point is that his perspective is heavily skewed, and that's partly due to Palpatine!

[@Kjf365]

​@5353Jumper Except the Jedi toss out that whole "save lives" mission if the person in question is important to a Jedi. That's the biggest red flag of the whole order. If Anakin was having visions of some random person on the street or a random senator dying, the Jedi would be all on board with trying to protect them. But since Anakin admitted it was someone important to him Yoda's response to him was "just get over it, lol." The Jedi could have gone back to Tattooine to free Anakin's mom, but since he was so bothered by it, they deliberately chose to leave her there. The Jedi are so worried about the dark side that they throw out anything and everything they are usually expected to do if it has anything to do with attachment.

[@smartalec2001]

@@Kjf365 I'm not sure this is a general principle. Rather, the two examples don't really fit. It's hard to put stock in visions, because as Yoda says, the future is always in motion. If you try to follow them, you're in danger of causing the thing you were worried about. Which is what Anakin ends up doing! Better to keep a clear head and follow the Force in the here-and-now, and have faith the opportunities will come. (I'm pretty sure Yoda thinks Anakin is talking about Obi-Wan, when he speaks about his dreams of someone dying badly. And Yoda likely thinks Obi-Wan will be ok, because Yoda's not felt any hint that Obi-Wan is going to die any time soon, and the mission to hunt down Grievous has a good vibe to it. So he's just trying to put Anakin's mind at ease.) Likewise, saving Anakin's mom. Well, save her from what? Shmi was doing ok, she was safe. Watto wasn't a bad master. And then she got freed anyway! She settled with a guy and got married! No need to fix what's not broken! For all the Jedi knew, they might bring her to Coruscant and she might fall off a platform or get hit by a speeder that same day. But if you put someone in front of the Jedi who needs saving from danger, then they'll do it, it doesn't matter who they are really.

[@owenparris7490]

My dad took me to see Revenge of the Sith and it was the first Star Wars movie I ever saw in theaters. Since then, we've made seeing new Star Wars movies kind of an event.

[@blackbenetavo7715]

24:19 The choreography pacing in the movie doesn't show it properly, but in the novelization, they make it clear that Palpatine slaughters all the other Masters except Windu in less than a second. So, in the movie, they look like incompetents just letting themselves get killed, but what's really happening is that they're getting blitzed hardcore and Palpatine is just that good. Also, technically, that scream he does as he leaps over the desk is actually a Force attack that stuns them a bit.

[@Khailward]

"Anakin and Obi-Wan. Kenobi and Skywalker. From the beginning of the Clone Wars, 'Kenobi-and-Skywalker' has become a single word... Whether Obi-wan's legendary cleverness might beat Anakin's raw power, straight up, no rules, is the subject of schoolyard fistfights, creche-pool wriggle-matches, and pod-chamber stinkwars across the Republic. These struggles always end, somehow, with the combatants on both sides admitting it doesn't matter. Anakin and Obi-wan would *never* fight each other. They *couldn't.* They're a team, they're *the* team. And both of them are sure they always will be." From the Revenge of the Sith novelization, by Matthew Stover.

[@89Keith]

Padme One thing that is overlooked is Force Healing is a power, but only Jedi Masters are allowed access to that part of the archive. Anakin wanted access to try and save Padme's life. For a while it looked like his hope of saving his wife was in reach, only for it to be ripped away at the last second leaving him understandably upset

[@firerath]

Hearing Alicia sing Devil May Cry music was a hell of a jumpscare. Though I guess it makes sense considering it’s also a story about twins.

[@GoliathSmoke]

This movie is my fav in the entire series and Hayden did such an amazing job with this tragedy of a story

[@Deathviper]

Padmè and Anakin really had two of the most important Twins in Sci-Fi History

[@jish55]

So to answer your question, most people already know that Luke is Vader's son and Leia and Luke are siblings (cause throughout childhood, kids would always say "Luke, I am your father" in Vaders voice). Watching the prequels before the ot actually has much bigger shocks because unlike people knowing that Luke and Leia are Vader's kids, NO ONE knows that Anakin is Vader. Add in the leadup to Order 66 where no one knows that the Jedi are basically extinct going into the ot makes it a much better surprise.

[@Gogeta166]

Actually in regards to Anakin being a Master, the only "trial" he hadn't overcome is "training a padawan to become a Knight" and...he *did* do that. But to understand you'll have to watch the Clone Wars. "If he had Qui-Gon" that's the reason that the music when they were fighting Darth Maul is called "Duel of the Fates". It was Anakin's fate hanging in the balance.

[@Skölly-b6h]

Why are you bringing up ahsoka when she doesn’t exist at the time?

[@brentgrisier1738]

Due to the Clone Wars series and other extended media, Order 66 has become one of the most horrific and heartbreaking moments in all of cinema.

[@realJoeMavro]

Especially if you read some of the Expanded Universe material and got to know some of the Jedi who died.

[@HachiViper]

29:24 Fun fact about the padawan here, he is actually played by George Lucas' son, Jett Lucas and is also in Attack of the Clones, little fun fact for you guys

[@jonmercano1138]

Palpatine’s favorite soda? Mountain Dew-it! Some think Yoda gave bad or insufficient advice, but Anakin isn’t really providing sufficient info. “Someone close to me” doesn’t exactly translate to “secret wife who’s now pregnant.” The advice would’ve probably been very different if he was fully truthful. Direct help may have even been offered Anakin’s not fast tracking the trials, he already went through them. That’s how you become a jedi knight, which he already is. He was knighted shortly after the war started. “You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master.” “What?” “SAY WHAT AGAIN!” Wait, have you watched Pulp Fiction? Just because Anakin occasionally bends or breaks the rules, disobeys orders, and has disregarded the code in some big ways, doesn’t mean he thinks all jedi should do the same or ask him to do it. Least of all the _Jedi Council that leads the entire order._ Anakin has whined about being criticized, but he’s also acknowledged he’s flawed and should be better. _Anakin in the last movie:_ I will even learn to stop people from dying! _Palpatine in this movie:_ He could even keep the ones he cared about...from dying. _Anakin:_ SAY MORE RIGHT NOW! (That’s a John Mulaney reference! 😉) It’s never explicitly said in the movie, but Sidious was Plagueis’s apprentice. Chewbacca always had a crossbow. Granted it didn’t quite feature prominently in the OT The quick deaths of the masters isn’t meant to convey they were bad at fighting, it’s to display how fast and dangerous Palpatine really is. Like how we see Yoda later get hit by the lightning instead of catching it like he did with Dooku. It was too fast. But thinking it’s the former is understandable Mace Windu about Sidious “He’s too dangerous to be left alive!” Palpatine about Dooku at the start of the movie “He was too dangerous to be kept alive.” Imagine how that messed with Anakin’s head even further. Sam Jackson has been very open about wanting to portray Mace again for years. And not as in pre death, but having survived. Leia never talked about a flower garden, i don’t recall. She remembers _Padme_ because of the Force. Like Yoda said “Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future, the past, old friends long gone.” The choreo for Anakin vs Obi Wan is top tier 41:41 A long lived fan theory is that Padme died because Palpatine used the Force to siphon her life energy into Vader. *There’s been nothing confirming it.* Losing the will to live because her huband turned bad is the only confirmed reasoning. It’s an opera in space, it’s full of dramatic stuff. Also, dying of a “broken heart” is a real thing apparently. Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. The training with Qui Gon is how Obi and Yoda learn to become Force ghosts. That’s why thier bodies disappear but other jedi don’t You know both are trilogies, right? 😂 That’s why we say _original_ trilogy, and not just _the_ trilogy

[@williammcginnis7772]

Alicia did catch it with Palp's smirk that he killed Plagueis

[@smartalec2001]

I always assumed Yoda thinks Anakin is talking about Obi-Wan. Yoda's seen hundreds of former students have to grieve their old masters, he likely thinks it's gonna be ok.

[@nateklempner561]

The best part of this movie is knowing that it is the PEAK of lightsaber fight choreography from all of the movies. Literally never been better than this one.

[@ryanwight9116]

When I got the notification I immediately thought “how many times are they gonna cry”

[@chaosmastermind]

The problem with visions of the future is that you never know if they are caused by your previous set of decisions you were GOING to make, or the new set of decisions you make after learning about the future. Typically, the future shown can be traced back to being a direct result of you learning the outcome. Which is kind of a paradox, but they do it in movies all the time. If Anakin didn't get a vision of Padme dying, she probably wouldn't have died in the first place.

[@jonmercano1138]

🤞 You do the Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars short series before the multi season series Also that you do the latter in chronological order Both of which feature _Padme_

[@darrenheideman2546]

Especially since the CGI series stole a lot from the 2003 series.

[@LittleGalaxyBoy]

@@darrenheideman2546 Using "stole" might give the wrong impression, suggesting it's something negative. In reality, The Clone Wars (2008) pulled inspiration from Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars (2003), incorporating ideas that enriched the lore. For instance, the V-19 Torrent starfighter was introduced in Clone Wars (2003) and later appeared in the early seasons of The Clone Wars (2008). Both series are excellent in their own right and build on what came before, both expanding the Star Wars universe in there own way.

[@darrenheideman2546]

@LittleGalaxyBoy No, they took credit for a lot of things. Filoni in one interview, "When we thought of Obi-Wan having this set of armor", casually acting like they thought of the design. The man is a hack.

[@LittleGalaxyBoy]

@@darrenheideman2546 It sounds too much like you’re projecting your own feelings onto what he said. Nothing about "When we thought of Obi-Wan having this set of armor" suggests that they created the concept of Obi-Wan in armor. In Clone Wars (2003), Obi-Wan dons Clone Trooper armor to disguise himself as a Clone to get the drop on Durge. In The Clone Wars (2008), we see Obi-Wan wearing Jedi robes with custom padded armor designed specifically for Jedi. They drew inspiration from Clone Wars (2003) but created something distinct, even applying it to other Jedi as well such as Skywalker giving him a very Pre-Vader inspired look.

[@Squashitsjosh]

25:32 okay so I understand you may think that it was another manipulation used by palpatine here but in actuality he lost. You see, mace windu uses a lightsaber form called Vapaad which allows him to teeter on the line of light/dark side of the force(also why his lightsaber is purple, being a blend of blue and red). This form also weakens dark side users as the battle drags on so palpatine was literally about to die if anakin hadn’t saved him. In the books anakin also asked mace windu to teach him vapaad but sensing anakin’s weakness to fear, refused. Although I say that Sam Jackson asked George Lucas to use a purple lightsaber so his kids can point him out easily in the huge fight scene and George added all that lore after the fact. Without a doubt mace windu is my favorite Jedi.

[@artars94]

ok, Alicia singing DMC3 Soundtrack is the most unexpected, cutest thing she has done (at least in my recent memory)

[@WhatKindOfNameNow]

I think it was DMC4, wasn't it?

[@antispiral1159]

Bro it’s dmc 4 🤦

[@Kyzen_Wrell]

Y’all two are some of the most observant and perceptive people I’ve ever seen watch these movies. To be able to pick up on things that usually take a second or third watch or even sometimes delving outside the movies. I’m impressed! 42:17 That is straight up a line from the novel version of the movie, ‘“You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself...” ‘It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith-- Because now your self is all you will ever have.’

[@multikody6481]

Revenge of the Sith is my favorite Star Wars movie. This movie goes so hard and it's so tragic seeing Anakin's turn. For watching order for the first time watching the Original Trilogy first is a must. Whenever I rewatch them though I watch them in chronological order because it makes the ending of Return of the Jedi even more satisfying than it already it. I love these movies so much and it's been a blast watching you react to each one!

[@spinosaurhp9341]

Now you HAVE TO watch the Clone Wars tv show. It is AMAZING and makes this movies events hit so much more!!!

[@tbush6657]

The messed up part is Mace Windu was going to make him a master, that's why he had Anakin wait in the council chamber until after dealing with the sith lord. He would have gotten what he wanted and his wife would not have died in childbirth (unless he choked her out for other reasons). Also funny that Leia remembers her when she's only been in the room with her for the first 10 seconds of her life. Reminds me of an anime where the end plot twist is a character knows the main villain is his mother because he has perfect memory from everything including as a baby and in the womb.

[@RobertJones-vb2qi]

Mace should have went about this a better way though. I dont mind him wanting anakin sitting back in this but telling him. " IF what you told me is true you'll have gained my trust" saying that in such a condescending way was just bad.

[@Thorozak]

I think the advice Yoda gives is very important for everyone, death and loss is sadly a part of life we need to accept and move on from. Anakin needed to accept that if his wife died, he would still need to continue living with his kids since his premonitions only showed her dying. The fear of loss caused him to betray everyone and go down a worse path for himself, that led to her death anyways. He never had happiness afterwards. Take your time to mourn those we lose, but dont let that loss keep you from living your life. Your loved one wouldnt want you to suffer and lose out on enjoying life.

[@bignerd9641]

Anakin’s duel with Obi-Wan hold the record for the longest sword fight on film btw Padme

[@mr.carcharodontosaurus7119]

btw Anakin's padawan Ahsoka Tano survived order 66 because of how much Anakin cared about her and how he trained her to be ready for anything

[@kagato3]

she also left the order so wasn't leading a bunch of clones that would turn on her in Suprise.

[@lordolxinator]

@@kagato3 Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not quite. She left the Order yes, but then Anakin and Obi-Wan sneakily gave her half of Anakin's 501st Clone Battalion to lead in the Siege of Mandalore (end of Clone Wars Season 7). Unintentionally, this drags Ahsoka and Maul out of hiding, and directly into the firing line of the Clones when Order 66 goes live. Captain Rex (after Ahsoka helps undo his Order 66 programming) even tries to drop the fan-favourite technicality of "We don't need to kill Tano, because she isn't a Jedi any more". The other Clones don't accept it, as Palpatine gave their battalion special instructions to wipe out Ahsoka, Maul, and any "defective" Clones who refuse to carry out Order 66 (either knowing that they could be deprogrammed, or that un-programmable defect Clones like the Bad Batch could be present). So yes she left, but unfortunately Obi-Wan's ex's sister convinced her to go to Mandalore to help take down Maul. She contacted Anakin and Obi-Wan for help, who couldn't because Revenge of the Sith was starting and they were needed to go rescue the Chancellor. They gave her half the 501st who (after she won the Siege of Mandalore against Maul) then went all Order 66 on the way back to Coruscant, almost killing her if not for Rex struggling against the Order and Ahsoka's training from Anakin.

[@gremmythoumeaux2393]

Is there a reason why Dooku didn’t rat out Palpatine in his final moments after Palpatine told Anakin to kill him? I imagine if I were in Dooku’s shoes, I would expose who Palpatine was in a heartbeat out of pure spite.

[@lordolxinator]

In the novelisation it covers this, Dooku is so shocked and surprised by Palpatine's sudden betrayal that he isn't able to think quickly enough to think of what to say. He knows Palpatine is a thorough manipulative bastard and that he'd likely be able to twist Dooku's words somehow, so he wouldn't have enough time in those 10 seconds to both get his head straight AND then come up with a Hail Mary whistleblow to convince Anakin.

[@nate_doggy_dog1362]

As someone who has grown up with Star Wars and has a deep understanding of the story. I love how watching your first time through, you’re actually understanding the bigger picture and how much of your guess on the back story have actually been right

[@jairusjackson7799]

I don't appreciate Alicia's comment at the end. "Anyone who watches the Prequels first is weird, because you go into the next trilogy knowing Vader is Luke's Dad." The journey of seeing Anakin Skywalker go from this sweet boy to a fallen hero is more than worth the trade. In literally every other story I'd seen, the good guy wins and the day is saved. But in this trilogy it's the opposite, the Emperor wins, he gets everything he wanted, and then it falls onto the next generation of heroes to save the day. Plus once you get to episode 6, seeing Anakin's ghost after all this time, if you watched all the movies and the prequels. It's the most satisfying feeling of all time, there is no other ending in media I love as much as that ending, because when you watch the journey IN ORDER, it makes all the suffering of the Prequel characters and the OT characters worth it. Plus there are very VEYR few people who don't know Darth Vader is Luke's father anyway.

[@WhatKindOfNameNow]

If you haven't ever heard of it, you should look into the Machete order.

[@jairusjackson7799]

@@WhatKindOfNameNow I've heard of it. I tried watching it in that order, it still wasn't as satisfying as the chronological to me. Because in that order, the problem of the emperor is solved in the very next movie. As I stated before, I know watching it in chronological order spoils a few things, but the trade off is worth it. You get to enjoy the most satisfying character arc in all of fiction. In my opinion.

[@WhatKindOfNameNow]

@jairusjackson7799 Totally fair. I just thought the Machete order might appeal to you if you hadn't heard about it or tried it before. Personally, I find the release order more satisfying than the chronological order, but I'm also not the type really argue against either. They both have their pros and cons.

[@jameslarochelle8501]

I'm fairly certain it was an off the cuff hyperbolic remark. I can see that moment at the end of Return of the Jedi being more satisfying after seeing the tragedy of how Anakin becomes Darth Vader. But to me, it's knowing what Anakin becomes in the original trilogy that gives the prequel trilogy weight. Honestly, I don't know that I go on to watch Episodes II and III if I haven't already seen the original trilogy before Episode I. Seeing the prequels first makes a lot of the original trilogy feel off and I think the original trilogy looks very different if they were made in chronological order. I'm fairly certain George Lucas doesn't put in the love triangle of Luke Han and Leia if he knows from the start that Luke and Leia are siblings. In the end, it gives a different experience seeing the movies in chronological order. Different moments will hit differently. I think it's a stronger experience overall seeing them in release order but that's also all I've ever known. Alicia might have felt very differently if she saw it in chronological order, but she really liked the experience of seeing them in release order.

[@leonrussell9607]

Isnt the machete order the worst one possible that makes no sense? The originals are first though, thats the only sensible choice

[@PrixtoTNT]

The way they put him the Vader mask and the heartbeats stops and the iconic breathing begings is such a cool way to represent Anakin's death and Vader's birth

[@thomasbarton1050]

I think the best order to watch the movies would be 4,1&2(flashback sideplot),5,3(end of flashback plot after the reveal of 5),6 (The overarching climax/resolution)

[@TheDarkEvilLord]

12:50 - The reason Anakin is against this is because the council is asking him to break the Jedi Code to fit their needs. While when he did it they would berate him for going against the Code. Thus in Anakin's eyes the Council may not be trustworthy since they are doing exactly what he's done but their excuse is we're the exception. At least that's how I see it.

[@GalacticImperialGaming]

this is where the fun begins

[@jukeboxjimmy8722]

Fun fact: Sideous actually had the technology to make Vader basically just as functional as before he was burned, but intentionally gave him outdated and poorly designed tech both as a punishment for his failure to kill obi-wan and as a way to constantly keep him angry and make him stronger in the dark side of the force.

[@Rex_EIBS]

"What I remember about the Rise of the Empire was...how quiet it was, during the waning hours of the Clone Wars the 501st legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant...It was a silent trip we all knew was what about to happen, what we were about to do, did we have any doubts, any private traitorous thoughts, perhaps but no said a word, not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi's temple...not a word." -the 501st Journal _Battlefront 2 (2005)

[@ghostspider2056]

28:57 A couple of months ago, the kid here would meet with Hayden (Anakin) in real life, quite a reunion.

[@thelittleal1212]

Still my number 1 favorite Star Wars movie, and one of my favorite movies of all time

[@marianno-pz6by]

I still cry watching this movie

[@brianbayot8347]

So is Alicia watching just the movies, or all the shows too? Codeword: Padmé

[@kamileon7065]

47:00

[@leroy1154]

"What does (Devil May Cry) have to do with Star Wars?" Alright, hear me out. Episode III is Anakin's fall. There's one shot in particular of Anakin, when he's on Mustafar having just killed the separatist leaders. He's looking out over the lava flows with a combined look of anger, sadness and confusion, as a single tear rolls down his cheek. This shot is a reference to Alexandre Cabanel's painting 'The Fallen Angle', which depicts Lucifer after his fall from Heaven as he looks out with a similar angry sadness, as a single tear also rolls down his cheek. So it could be said that Anakin represents, or is at least akin to, the devil. And Anakin cried... So it's not quite "Devil May Cry"... more like "Devil Did Cry"

[@mordirit8727]

Yoda's lesson to Anakin about letting go of Padmé is the same one Guru Pathik tried to teach Aang about letting go of Katara. In my opinion, I think Yoda is an idiot for how horribly he goes at this, while I honestly think Aang was in the wrong in Avatar, because Pathik did a much, much better job of explaining it. What Yoda and Pathik are telling their students isn't that they shouldn't love someone, shouldn't want to be with them or want happiness. What they're trying to teach is that to tether your identity so fully to someone else that you quite literally can't live without them _is_ unhealthy. Death is a sad but natural aspect of life, and if we wish to grow as people we need to look at every friend, lover, family member we hold so dear, and admit "they may just die before I do." Letting this inescapable fact destroy you to your core isn't just unhealthy, it's an insult to those who fall. Katara and Padmé could die. But in desperately grabbing for meaning from them, Aang and Anakin risked not only letting them die (which was not exactly their choice to make, after all, "inescapable" and all that), but also make it so their deaths were worse than meaningless, like what happens with Padmé: not only does she die, but what's left in her name for the world after the life she lived? Decades of hundreds of billions of people killed and oppressed, the Republic she so loved and fought for entirely destroyed, by the hands of her very husband. Letting go doesn't mean not loving, it means accepting that death will come, and learning to love even still. Like I said, I think Guru Pathik did a great job explaining this to Aang, and it was Aang's prepubescent brain that refused to understand the lesson. To me that's mostly fine, you have a wise teacher and an inexperienced pupil who mistakenly hears the wrong lesson, great stuff. YODA, however... Motherfucker you've been training Jedi for 700 years. I have literally zero excuses for how or why he could fuck this up so thoroughly. He mostly got it right with Luke, but that's insane to me. It makes it look like _this_ event with Anakin is what finally taught Yoda the perspective needed to teach this lesson. When he's been teaching people for SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS. There should be near to 0 scenarios he's never seen. You mean to tell me, in all those centuries, not _once_ did Yoda look at the philosophy he had to teach and go "hm, wonder what meaning it holds do I"? This is _not_ a lesson you can teach just by saying the title of the chapter and moving on, and I can't fkn believe Yoda did just that

[@realJoeMavro]

Iroh seemed to think Aang made the right call, but it's a moot point. As for Yoda...well, I agree he did a poor job but Anakin's refusal to trust him with the whole truth didn't help the situation. There's only so much you can do for someone who won't open up and Yoda's not exactly a licensed therapist. His hundreds of years may have actually been part of the problem too. He's seen hundreds (at the very least) of people come and go and that's bound to make someone very accustomed to loss, maybe even a little apathetic...and I imagine apathy can make people forget a lot of things that once mattered.

[@mordirit8727]

@@realJoeMavro Iroh agreed with Aang but, using a bit of your second point, "only so much you can do if one doesn't share fully" huh? Aang only told Iroh "I could give up Katara to gain power" and Iroh rightfully said he made a good choice, if that _had_ been the actual choice, choosing to keep his bonds would have been a wiser path. The issue there is Aang relating the lesson as he understood it, not as it was told him. As for Yoda, I _would_ agree, if his job wasn't literally to be good at this. Losing sense of worth of life and forgetting the meaning of loss would be expected of one who lived so long, but not of one who lived so long _and_ had to teach this to people his entire life. If this is how horribly Yoda teaches this lesson that was paramount to the core of the Jedi philosophy, the surprise isn't that Anakin fell, is that hundreds of thousands of Jedi before him didn't. And yes, there were _a few,_ Dooku studied under him and was won over by the Dark Side so that's something, but honestly I'd expect _droves_ of former Yoda students, like I said, in the _hundreds of thousands_ to take the same path. Yoda is actively pitting being a Jedi against being human, proposing a way of thinking that would ensure that only and exclusively only full natural born psychopaths could ever feel like they belong in the order. If _that_ is how he teaches this lesson, then some 690 years ago someone else should have gone "you know what Yoda, after losing our 10th Padawan to the Dark Side in a row, we've decided, you don't get to teach them anymore"

[@tasbard8545]

29:02 My personal favorite bit of BtS trivia is that while filming the scene where he is in the room with the children, Hayden got the boy to make that startled reaction by saying "BOO!" suddenly. So that was a genuine startled reaction on the boys part. Ross Bandeam, the actor who played the boy, revealed this in a reddit AMA.

[@skylermaves7272]

My all time favorite Star Wars movie

[@commandergs]

24:25 the reason palp was so powerful is because there are so few sith he basically has a vast condensed dark side power all within himself, while theres thousands of jedi sharing the light side. we the viewers see the fight from a movie watcher perspective but to these jedi he did all that within like 2 actual seconds. Mace fought better against him because he specifically uses a form that reverses the opponents dark side power onto themselves. and not all jedi train exactly the same.

[@_J.B.S._]

Padmé Twins. Finally my favorite movie 🤩

[@0Defensor0]

8:27 is a really fun meme: "When you are the mastermind behind a decades long scheme to create a galaxy scale war, but now trapped on half a ship without engines, falling through the atmosphere, piloted by two maniacs, and you slightly lost control of the situation."

[@DarthRevan3994-ZC]

Clone Wars next? Code Word: Padmé

[@TheLuckyOne-rg4vk]

35:58 It's poetic that Anakin loses this fight with Obi-wan but wins many years later in the original trilogy. (Albeit he only "won" because Obi-wan chose to give up and let himself be struck down.) I love how ferociously they fight in this scene. The original trilogy is great, but they really ramped up the lightsaber choreography in these prequels. Young Vader fighting in this movie a lot like expanded universe Vader does. (In one of the Star Wars comics, Vader takes out an entire rebel platoon by himself, surrounded on all sides with no cover. And the rebels had both high ground and sand on their side.)

[@bio-phobia3895]

Yoda,Mace and the Jedi are to blame for this happening, How they treated him and everything, This movie is a Perfect tragedy

[@Skölly-b6h]

You are literally just victim blaming right now

[@Charvale]

Alicia: "Your time has come and so have I..." Me: "... isn't that something personal between you and Rich?" *presses play again* "Ohh... okay." 27:00 ... and here comes the most heartbreaking part of the movie. T-T 32:30 There is a scene from the Kenobi series, that reinforces this, and I hope you and Klcoma get a chance to see that too. 40:35 In lore, R2-D2 not only knew about everything from Mustafar onward - he recorded everything, and eventually showed it to Luke ten years after Return of the Jedi, but only after Luke had to practically beg the little droid to show him. R2 was so emotionally distraught, and scared of not being talked to again by a Skywalker that he kept the memories to himself until that moment. Afterward, Luke hugged him, crying and saying "Thank you". R2 literally went through an emotional Hell for decades. 43:08 "... a shame you were such a shit man." (You'll realize the quote later) 43:50 ... the score - just - absolute win here!

[@ryanwight9116]

At least we got the Clone Wars she can react to. That is nothing but absolute perfection

[@roanwanek2673]

0:01 Alicia being a DMC fan just makes sense. Good to know someone else out there actually liked DMC4