FIRST TIME WATCHING *STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER IX*

[@krajicsek13]

After this movie "Somehow Palpatine has returned" became a quote you use when you bring back a character from the dead without hints or explanations

[@In-The-Zone]

"Palpatines behind it all!" -Red Letter Media 15 years ago

[@MrGodaFalkenhel]

It's crazy "the dead speak" "voice of Palpatine" happened in Fortnite, not in a show or movie

[@darrenheideman2546]

@@krajicsek13 That and the infamous "They fly now?!", despite jet troopers having existed for possibly centuries.

[@alexanderdelongchamps7594]

In the original Legends continuity there is an explanation... It's a batshit crazy explanation, but it is an explanation😂

[@darrenheideman2546]

@alexanderdelongchamps7594 I mean, it's pretty straightforward. Palpatine sought immortality by transferring his soul into cloned bodies.

[@GeminiRosche]

27:30 there’s an edit of General Grievous running past Ben and jumping into the sea to go get that lightsaber, it’s so funny

[@hyhyd6135]

The last fine addition to his collection

[@supercyclone8342]

Thank you so much for leading me to that masterpiece XD

[@cardescomedioses3674]

Ahhh a fine adittion to my collection of star wars clips, right next to the "all men are kings" vid

[@Avenger85438]

@@GeminiRosche He has a pretty severe addiction, worse than most collectors.

[@scalyvaporeon2232]

"OH! they FLY NOW!" Jet troopers from Clonewars and the GAMES: ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU!?

[@realJoeMavro]

Poe's also seen Jet Troopers in the comics.

[@Gat-Man55]

Also any mandalorian

[@Crocogator]

literally reinstalling battlefront 2 because of this

[@Cloningmaster55]

​​@@Crocogator WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS!

[@Avenger85438]

@@scalyvaporeon2232Going by the movies, which is what most people watch, technically yes, this is a new sight. JJ may be a fan of films, but that doesn't mean he knows everything about the world. He nixed Rey getting a duelblade lightsaber because he thought it was a "bad guy weapon" after all.

[@KelShu]

"Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Sith knew" Uhm... I don't recall the Kaminoans being Sith

[@darrenheideman2546]

Well, the Sith knew taboo abilities like transferring their souls into new bodies.

[@AusSP]

@@darrenheideman2546 Except for that time it didn't work for Darth Plagueis. So this is the first time that Disney Canon does it... and they don't mention it in the movie at all.

[@KelShu]

@@AusSP Yeah, it was their bad attempt to make his return plausible and not a shoehorned retcon

[@nm2358]

​@@AusSPPlagueis was killed in his sleep

[@sebastianemond5313]

🤨If they really wanted the Darth Plaegus legend to be real, that would make Palpatine the progenitor of Anakin, using his master's technique with influencing the midichlorians to give Shmi a child with no father. If that's the canon that "true fans" want, 🤢🤮then it makes the ship they decided of Rey/Kylo even worse since they'd be *kissing cousins.* 😅But hey, bloodlines don't... 😰😖matter?

[@DrakeAurum]

Disney got so gunshy of the negative feedback they'd received about The Last Jedi that basically instead of producing a sequel they produced an apology and retraction in movie form. How they went into a sequel trilogy without actually having a plan for the entire three-movie storyline still boggles me.

[@jonathandelgado3755]

I honestly think they were confident after going off the high of the prequel hate that we’d eat up just about anything.

[@seevideonow]

I know most won't agree but I hate Rise of Skywalker more than Last Jedi. TLJ ruined Luke, that's the worse thing it did, but I can accept a fallen hero that redeemed himself with his death, that's exactly what his father did. By the end the old generation sacrificed itself for the new. TLJ didn't retroactively ruin old movies. You could ignore it and still live happily knowing that the OG characters still made a difference. ROS ruined that, Palestine being alive (or a clone you basically need to read side content to find that out) retroactively ruins Anakin's redemption. Even if Luke failed as a Jedi later in life it didn't erase what he had done in the past...until now. Almost everything bad in TLJ could have been retconned, but they didn't do that. There were a few interesting elements TLJ introduced that weren't followed up, like new generations of force sensitive children around the galaxy, but that was ignored. Finn was sidelined again. Kylo carried the whole trilogy, do we get him living and trying to live the rest of his life redeeming his family legacy? Nope, dies anticlimactically with last minute romance that added nothing.

[@Indurok]

People like to shit on how George Lucas did the Prequels, but at least those movies told a much more coherent story than these ones. I still love the prequels as much as I did when I first saw them as a kid.

[@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS]

I agree, BUT, they never had a plan in the OT either. It was only done better back then cause it was starting from scratch, and not as a nostalgia bait quick money scheme.

[@benjamminraps1030]

1 Clone War = easily over 3 years of Star Wars Sundays.. congrats on the content ;)

[@KeroHiro-Lil]

Amen

[@jerretttesta5093]

Nowhere near 3 years of content but still a lot cw is only like 300 something ep

[@andythierry5402]

@@jerretttesta5093 There are only 52 Sundays in a year you know. Do the math, 2 episodes per Sundays = 104 episodes a year so yeah roughly three years of content unless she does more episodes per Sundays. edit: Hm I just checked and cw is only 133 episodes so actually just a bit more than a year of Star Wars Sundays, unless she also does Rebels and all the other shows.

[@FoxMoxin]

I hope she does them chronologically instead of how they came out.

[@Gat-Man55]

I really hope she doesn’t take 3 years to get through tcw. It’s gonna take her 5.5 months just to get through season 1 alone.

[@Sixblackcats20]

Rey: I'm Rey Skywalker Star wars fan base: THE HELL YOU ARE!

[@Boomstick836]

It would have been a lot better to keep the name Palpatine and spend her life trying to rehabilitate the name.

[@Morten_Storvik]

@@Boomstick836 Why would she? The Skywalkers were the one who treated her like family and "raised" her. Why would she care about the Palpatine name?

[@jrrobles79]

@@Morten_Storvikraised? Whaaaaat???

[@darrenheideman2546]

@@Sixblackcats20 I remember when reactions were leaked online, people were throwing trash at the screens.

[@Morten_Storvik]

@@jrrobles79 I put it in quotations for a reason buddy. And frankly, they were the ones who raised her in the way of the force. Leia was the one who properly trained her and was the closest to a mother figure for Rey. Luke gave her guidance and was the closest to a father figure to her by the end 🤷‍♂

[@MasterJediSoda]

Palpatine's back!? Well, yes, somehow. They also mentioned in the crawl something about him putting out an announcement. That... was done in Fortnite. For some reason. Yes, that actually happened - during a Fortnite event before this movie came out, Palpatine's announcement was played out there.

[@TitanXecutor]

Fantastic marketing by Disney... Seriously, whose idea was it?

[@Cloningmaster55]

Palpatine: I'm here to make an announcement Kylo Ren is a........ I'm going to piss on Kijimi and i

[@Cloningmaster55]

Palpatine: I'm here to make an announcement Kylo Ren is a...... I'M PISSING ON KIJIMI! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT MASTER WINDU YOU IDIOT!

[@Cloningmaster55]

Palpatine: I'm here to make an announcement. Kylo Ren is a...... I'M PISSING ON KIJIMI! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT MASTER WINDU YOU IDIOT!

[@Cloningmaster55]

Palpatine: "I'm here to make an announcement, Kylo Ren is a......." ".......I'M PISSING ON KIJIMI! HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT MASTER WINDU YOU IDIOT!"

[@domidium]

35:04 Lando, and like...half the known galaxy somehow made it to Exegol. Exegol...which is in the unknown regions. Which is largely unexplored due to being nearly impossible to navigate. There are a few reasons for this, including but not limited to...the constantly shifting hyperspace lanes, nihilistic force cults that worship destructive entropy, madness inducing soul-sucking wraiths made of the dark side of the force (according to the Jedi), and gigantic space monsters the size of the DEATH STAR! But, even if you excluded ALL of that, Lando and the fleet finding there way there doesn't even make sense by this movies own logic. Kylo Ren and Rey required either a Sith wayfinder or following someone who had already been there before (which also makes no sense), the movie established this early on. Lando and the fleet possessed NONE of those. So, one has to wonder (with previous reasons or not) how in the hell they managed to even get there at all, let alone be present for the final battle. Even if they had recieved some transmission of coordinates, it's the unknown regions. If it were that easy to circumvent the difficulties of navigating it, I'm thinking it would have been done a long time ago. This movie totally dissolved the mystique of the unknown regions.

[@Mugthraka]

What do you expect from a bunch of Writters that not only has No clue about what they are doing, but also actively doesn't like Star Wars and doesn't care for its Lore The issue is also the Dozens or so rewrites that the script as gone through Maybe there was versions where it wasn't such an hassle to get there, maybe the whole "Sith dagger that is 1000's of years old and curiously match the topography of the fallen Death Star debris that as been sitting there for the past 30 years" was something that was Not in the movie at first. Even without all of this, its a Steaming pile of dogshit...

[@rishin7852]

Meanwhile the original script which is called "Episode IX: Duel of the Fates" has more logical and make sense than this hunk of junk called The RISE of Skywalker.

[@thephantompenance]

The moment Rey and Ben kissed in the movie, I remember my theater audience making an audible groan. This movie is nothing but wasted potential. Finn, the rebel First Order troopers, Poe, all their storylines thrown in the movie then promptly dropped to focus on not even Rey and Ben’s personal character development, but their relationship development.

[@Chasm65]

I thought it was hilarious that Hux was the spy not because he was a Resistance sympathizer, but that he was just being a hater

[@mjbull5156]

That is one of the more believable plot points.

[@darrenheideman2546]

Let this sink in, in the end, PALPATINE WON. Anakin's redemption on the second Desth Star is rendered moot and both the Skywalker and Solo family Bloodlines were ended. I know people have said the Force Ghosts of Luke and Leia give Rey their blessing, but it simply doesn't work.

[@joelsasmad]

This trilogy went oddly out of it's way to completely undo everything Luke ever accomplished. From rendering the redemption of Darth Vader a moot point, to destroying his Jedi order and not having him learn from the failures of the old one, to giving his title as the new hope to someone else and leaving himself as a bitter old man to die. It really feels like this Trilogy just hates Luke.

[@Morten_Storvik]

Actually incorrect. Anakin`s redemption was not rendered moot because he *did* return to the light. Not to mention that the Skywalkers were also related to Palpatine. And since she took the name of her relavtives now that we actually think about it, the Skywalker family is still going.

[@TimothyGod]

​@@Morten_Storvikno

[@joelsasmad]

@Morten_Storvik The narrative that Palpatine is Anakin's father is just gross. As is Rey and Kylo being related if you go with that narrative.

[@Kayoss13212]

Yeah. I saw no rise of a Skywalker in this movie. Only the death of the Solo and Skywalker bloodline.

[@KelShu]

Now that the sequel trilogy is over, let me just say that I absolutely hate how it turned out. . A clear lack of planning between movies . The mishandling of the legacy and new characters . The lack of proper world building . The major plot inconsistencies and retcons This trilogy could've been something fantastic, instead we got this.

[@TheCsel]

In the comics that Disney retconned and threw out, Palpatine transferred his consciousness with sith techniques to a clone body. Those comics had Luke turning to the dark side to experience what his father went through, then Leia brought him back to the light and Palpatine killed for good. And this completed Luke’s arc of becoming a master of Light and Dark.

[@nm2358]

Tossing out the like 7 tiers of star wars canon was the best thing Disney did for the franchise; either way, soul transfer stuff seems to be Palpatine's canonical return.

[@D3viant517]

Lowkey it was stupid there too, palpatine should just stay dead

[@nm2358]

@@D3viant517 I agree with this sentiment; his death was essential to the Chosen One narrative that defines Anakin, and Luke's hero arc's end, so with his return, oophm does it suck the life out of 6 films for him to abruptly pop up here. Like, you either leave him a ghost trying to possess Rey or have him in a powerless clone that doesn't get to suck up Rey and Ben's force-juice using his wit to try and return, but only after you establish him in film 2, not abruptly in film 3's opening crawl (lol)

[@TheCsel]

@@nm2358 well it was a mess, thats for sure. But had some good storylines mixed in with the bad ones. I think the main issue is Disney didnt want to mess with legal rights with the original authors and just wanted to scrap it all and start over.

[@TheCsel]

@@D3viant517 i can see your point. But clones wars were already established in the originals. I feel like the Palpatine clones were imperfect and kind of crazy, so you could argue its not the real palpatine either. I think the development with Luke following his father's path but succeeding with his sister was a worthwhile journey though too, and was a good parallel to Anakin's journey. Though its also good to note that these comics came out before the prequels too, so at the time there was less conflict with Anakin's arc at the time

[@filipvadas7602]

1. The fact that the ending of this movie treats Rey taking the Skywalker name like a trophy as some heroic moment is the final nail in the coffin. The FINAL desecration. Because keep in mind, despite how the movie tries to present it, *Palpatine/Sidious WON* All the trained Jedi are DEAD, the Skywalker bloodline is extinct and the Republic is a shadow of its former self, with his granddaughter as the SOLE survivor on the ashes. They literally undid EVERYTHING Luke and Anakin went through and made it POINTLESS! 2. Glad you're covering Clone Wars after this. Its a good pallate cleanser after the sh!tshow that is the "sequel" trilogy.

[@KazeAizen]

That's.....not what happened......at all.

[@cardescomedioses3674]

And gotta love the fact she buried anakin's lightsaber in sand, in yakoo of all places, where he had so much trauma and take his second name, how considerate

[@KazeAizen]

@@cardescomedioses3674 you think OP is right?

[@Zandofle]

@@KazeAizen then what happened?

[@KazeAizen]

@@Zandofle The Republic is saved from the ghost of all the previous bad stuff about Star Wars. Palpatine's final long term plan fails and ultimately rejects the path he wanted for her. She adopts the name of her mentor and hero choosing his path and knowing how to build the Jedi going forward. The "Skywalker bloodline" is a notable historical figure but the galaxy does not need it to turn. There is no desecration going on. The sequel trilogy practically worships the original trilogy. Rey is a Skywalker. Not a Palpatine. She chose her family. What Anakin and Luke did was meaningful.

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

Palpatine's granddaughter or not, Rey quite literally should _not_ have been able to use Force lightning, as it's a highly advanced Sith technique that requires extreme training, focus, and the intent to harm the target.

[@nm2358]

Less granddaughter, more clone's daughter

[@williamcorey4700]

Here's another problem. She was using pull. How does pulling something turn into shooting lightning?

[@rocky-my5ck]

​@@nm2358granddaughter/daughter/step-daughter/??? Like yeah it's all too convoluted

[@nm2358]

@@rocky-my5ck that might be when we go to pan the 2nd film opting to hard pivot to Rey's parents being nobodies, and pivoting to Palpatine's clone being her baby daddy, lol.

[@cardescomedioses3674]

Ye, it would be like bruce lee's lost son naturally pulling advanced techniques without even knowing the technique exists when even the father needs to train for it

[@jegerger]

if you're doing the animated shows I recommend starting with Tartakovsky's clone wars (2003), is relatively short and is really great.

[@NektisNoir]

I wouldn't recommend that mostly cause that version of Clone Wars is considered Legends and thus non-canon. The 2008 show changes a handful of things for certain characters so she may get confused.

[@darrenheideman2546]

@@jegerger I agree.

[@jegerger]

@@NektisNoir That's fair, but as long as she's aware of that distinction I don't think it would cause any problems.

[@realJoeMavro]

@@NektisNoir It fits more seamlessly into movie canon that the 2008 Clone Wars and she seems smart enough to figure out anything that may "confuse" her.

[@EchthelionII]

YES!! The superior Clone Wars show!!

[@MrGrimm22]

DEATH STAR!!! Ok, so FUN FACT: Episode 9 wasn’t originally directed by JJ Abrams. The original director of Episode 9 was Colin Trevorrow (Director of Jurassic World). And after Episode 9 was released, a draft of the script for when he was still in the production was leaked online, and instead of “Rise of Skywalker” it was “Duel of the Fates”. With this leak, it showed fans another potential ending to this trilogy as it was completely different compared to the current final product. There were some great ideas and also some questionable ones thrown in there, I mean it was still in draft stage I guess. First big difference, NO PALPAPINE. Kylo Ren truly became the big bad final boss. I can’t remember if there were new plot reveals for Rey’s backstory (Other than her last name being “Solana” so she would’ve been “Rey Solana”). Rey also turned the broken Anakin lightsaber into a Dual-Wield lightsaber like Maul’s. Rose was relevant and active. Finn would lead a Galactic uprising/revolution with the other’s against the First Order in Coruscant in the final battle while Rey and Kylo fought at another place that you would find out about in the Clone Wars show. There were still a lot of other stuff too but these were one’s I could remember at the moment of writing this. But at the end of the day, this was just a draft of the script for the original Episode 9. A draft. But it did provide what could’ve been. A “What If” scenario. Would it have been a better film? Maybe? Who could say? But in my opinion, I would’ve preferred this original route, with a few more re-drafts and re-writes and polish, I guess.

[@orangegalen]

He problem with RoS is how blatant the switching tracks was, how they overly (though rightly) tried to undo TLJ’s stuff from the backlash they got but over’corrected’. At least with the draft version (which I would’ve loved to see) they would’ve at least had the guts to stick with what they did and try to make something out of it. But what we got proved they were too wishy-washy to make ‘hard’ decisions. Still baffles me how they never had a plan for a trilogy.

[@rishin7852]

​@@orangegalen Disney never planned for The Sequel Trilogy since they brought Star Wars, originally George Lucas wants his own version of Sequel Trilogy with Darth Maul and Darth Talon as the big bad.

[@ilmevavi1112]

Please do Clone Wars in chronological order. The release order will have you asking why the hell this character that died a season ago is in this episode now and then you'll realize that it's a prequel episode that is basically just set up for the earlier episode so it doesn't even make sense as a prequel.

[@5353Jumper]

The Macguffin to find the other Macguffin to find the other Macguffin to find the final Macguffin, but it is the same as the other Macguffin, you know the other first one early in the film, so it turns out the final Macguffin was not actually needed.

[@ExcelHedge]

The opening crawl mentions Palpatine's return was broadcasted throughout the Galaxy, but the only way to watch it was thru a FORTNIGHT Event.

[@Its_Dave_Just_Dave]

Rey "acquired" Luke's home, name, Lightsaber, best friends ship and chewie as well as R2 and became the bestest in the galaxy..... It's a complete CF of movie, all over the place with so many face palm/groan moments.

[@namecomingsoon9517]

Now watch Clone Wars in chronological order. Please lord have her do chronological order

[@joenathan8594]

not in Arcs?

[@crossin8772]

Yeah, unlike the prequels and the original trilogy, i don't think there's any real benefit to not do it in chronological order. I'm rewatching the series back with my dad, and we probably would've benefited better from doing it chronological order.

[@roycebracket1010]

@@crossin8772 I haven't watched it, but I'm curious as to why? In which order did they come out?

[@crossin8772]

@roycebracket1010 Well, i would definitely recommend watching it if you get the chance, but to explain a lot of the Clone Wars episodes, essentially go by an episode to episode basis of "this is the story we are telling this episode or this little 3 episode arc or whatever." In that sense, a lot of them you can see as one-off stories that happened in the clone warsyou don't necessarily need to see the entire series to enjoy. The thing about that is you kind of get the feeling that especially early on, they were still working out the kind of stories they could tell in the series. As spoiler free as I can make this, a character introduced, named Cad Bane, is introduced working on this one mission in one episode... and the fallout and events related to that mission are not picked up on until seasons later. Watching the show just in terms of episode release order isn't bad. You're still going to have a good time. But it'll be more of a cohesive and, in my opinion, more satisfying experience to watch the episodes how they happen chronologically. Sorry for the long-winded explanation. I hope it made sense

[@namecomingsoon9517]

@@crossin8772 not only the fall out but the beginning. The first episode with Cad he does the job. Then maybe a season or two later you see an episode that ends with him being hired to do the job from before. Then episodes or a season later we see what happened after that. Then there’s Domino Squad that jumps around a lot in the early seasons

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

Now you see why the sequels are hated. There's no planning in the story from episode 7 to 9. Snoke being wasted just to subvert expectations. Palpatine coming back is an asspull and it ruins Anakin's Chosen One legacy. Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter is a last minute twist with no foreshadowing from the previous movies. And these are just the tip of the iceberg.

[@taquito828]

well... in theory Anakin's prophecy is maintained, in Ashoka we see how he basically became the father, and is working to stop something more dangerous than Palpatin outside the known galaxy

[@AusSP]

@@taquito828 In theory, it's all very coherent and consistent if you watch another 30 or 40 hours of Star Wars content.

[@AnimeWolf93]

Not everyone hated the Sequels.

[@ge_ane]

Snoke is not offed "just to subvert expectations". Yes it did subvert expectations but complaining about that in itself is dumb, because your movie not being boring and predictable is just good filmmaking. You'd have a point if it didn't also simultanously move Kylo's character progression forward in a significant way.

[@Riplee86]

@@ge_ane Being unpredictable isn't necessarily good filmmaking either.

[@Crocogator]

22:50 - Ian McDurmand was actually pretty young when Episode 4 came out. A lot of makeup involved. He then went on to play him in the prequels and then aged up into the role for this movie. He also still voiced him in all the games. Hearing him yell and do flips in battlefront is always a treat.

[@EchthelionII]

Finally! I was looking for this! Also, the original Sidious actor was a couple of women & a pair of chimpanzee eyes edited on. The original design looks so weird & I'm glad they later edited it to be Ian.

[@Crocogator]

@@EchthelionII the original empire strikes back version? YEAH. THAT WAS REALLY FRICKIN WEIRD

[@EchthelionII]

@@Crocogator Yup!

[@Indurok]

He didn't voice him for the video games. Sam Witwer, who played Starkiller in the Force Unleashed games, has been the voice of Palpatine since the first Force Unleashed.

[@that1blindkid146]

Rose's actress got so much hate from TLJ that they pretty much wrote her out of this movie and gave Finn a new love interest.

[@sebastianemond5313]

It makes me so disappointed in humanity that Star Wars fans haven't learned their lesson about toxic backlash, after what they put both Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd through.

[@PrixtoTNT]

Writing a character out from a next movie in a trilogy because people didn't line her is precisely what's wrong with these movies. They clearly didn't plan much and even change such things because of public reaction. Awful

[@realJoeMavro]

​@@sebastianemond5313 "I protected him from the backlash. He was just riding his bike outside, playing with his friends. He didn't know. He didn't care. Everybody makes such a big deal about that. And it's rather annoying to me because Jake was a little kid when that came out, and he didn't really feel all that stuff because I didn't let him online."--Lisa Lloyd.

[@Mugthraka]

Her part was shit She was unsufferable No one cared Now if they ACTUALLY wrote the character as a good character, maybe things would have been different, after all an actor can only work with what they have, and since her 2 previous gigs was some obscure show and some commercials, she clearly din't have what it takes to make Amazing work with what she was given. THEY COULD have taken the character in the next movie and do something with her Look at the Marvel Spiderman's MJ, in the first 2 movies NO ONE LIKED HER, she was so unsufferable and annoying, BUT they wrote her better in No way Home and people actually liked her, so it is possible It requires competent writters tho, so yeah...tough luck with that apparently...

[@Indurok]

I didn't care about Rose. She was boring as fuck. But people really need to stop hating actors for their roles.

[@stephensmithvids]

Imma be honest, Palatine's actor never misses, even if this movie was bad, he doesn't disappoint imo

[@Crocogator]

Palpatine's return is explained in the comics, books, and the Battlefront 2 DLC campaign. But not the movies! It's so silly. In the EU Legends he pretty much just survived his tumble down the death star shaft. In this, he had a secret batch of clones that he could transfer his consciousness to through the force. Which makes way more sense than "i fell but im okay" since clones have been mentioned since Episode 4. The very beginning. Cloning has been a pretty staple part of the series. So it's fine. Except it's not. Because the movie... the MOVIE's explanation is "Somehow" WHAT DO YOU MEAN SOMEHOW? I JUST EXPLAINED IT!

[@nerddwarf]

It was first announced via Fortnite

[@Crocogator]

@@nerddwarf so was your mom, but people talk about the comics instead of fortnite for her

[@oneeGrimm]

Cool. Wish they explained it in the movie tho.

[@Crocogator]

@@oneeGrimm same

[@willanrac]

The last 40 minutes killed my love for this franchise

[@Mugthraka]

the last 2 movies did it for me. Ep 7 i was like "Ok, its their first take after 20 years, they starting slow and its gonna be better from there, imma give them the benefit of the doubt" Oh boy was i still naive...

[@TheRealBlackNet]

Just a snip from the wiki "Emperor Palpatine's broadcast was first heard in Fortnite X Star Wars, a collaborative event that took place in the virtual world of Fortnite. It was later canonically mentioned in the 2019 film Star Wars: Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker" yes that means Fortnite is canon to this movie.

[@edrick2001]

Retarded waste of time for all star wars fans.

[@darklord99100]

she CAN'T watch Solo because of a spoiler character until after clone wars and rebels

[@Alte.Kameraden]

Who cares? xD Rogue One already had a character in it from the TV shows.

[@NektisNoir]

​@Alte.Kameraden Solos cameo character is arguably WAY bigger than Saw and you know that

[@Alte.Kameraden]

@@NektisNoir Hardly since he was already in the first prequel film. So either way you don't really need to see the TV show to get the shock value of said cameo.

[@trollofduty007]

@@Alte.Kameraden??? He was in the prequel film, but he was (seemingly) killed? It isn’t about “shock value”, it’s about her being spoiled for a major plot point in Clone Wars (Which is them coming back)

[@mandalorian_guy]

Most audiences didn't watch the clone wars shows before being shown the cameo appearance so I don't think it will matter. At the end of the day it is just a reference that basically doesn't pay off outside of Rebels or TCW anyway.

[@MuffinHunterX]

Not my joke but saw it in another comment section and it made me laugh: Chewie is so old at this point Rey is his fifth dog. Edit: I do wanna say that the entire cast did an excellent job with what they were given. If we got a complete do over with actual competent writing I would welcome them back with open arms.

[@Mugthraka]

You can only do as much as you can with what you are given. It takes really PRIME actors to be able to elevate a movie by their presence alone and actually salvage something out of it. Here unfortunatly the Only Legacy cast member that actually gave a fuck was Mark Hamill, Ford as been asking to kill off his character for the past 40 years so that he doesn't have to deal with all this shit anymore. Carrie did what she could. And the rest, ar enot bad actors, but as a young actor you don't go against what the Direction tells you to do,and thus these movies suffers from what the Prequels suffered, stuffed/bad dialogues that sound like its coming from Exposition machines rather than people actually talking to each others. And thats putting aside that the Plot of each movie is Nonsensical to the MAX. -Ep7 = basicly a copy/past of A Newx Hope -Ep8= half of the movie leads nowhere, serves no purpose and is a total waste of time -Ep9= as no direction, going completly blind, with the characters thumbling in the dark from one plot contrivance to the next Its painfull to watch

[@speedhuntr]

The way they created that weird slug puppet to be on the falcon instead of Rose 😥

[@TheSapphicRaven]

not only did they have 2 directors with 2 visions, they also didnt have a plan for where this trilogy was going to go

[@scalyvaporeon2232]

another thing that angered me was the whole RUINS OF THE DEATHSTAR! What do you mean RUINS!? Thing was VAPORIZED in a massive KYBER EXPLOSION! XD "BROKEN!? There are no bones left!" - Hagrid from harry potter -

[@lisboah]

Plus that the ancient Sith Dagger that they so happened to find by luck so happened to resemble the ruins of the Death Star.

[@GeminiRosche]

Yeah… there was a ton of backlash to Rose in Last Jedi, so they tried to course correct by giving her almost no screen time in this one and make her practically irrelevant. One of the worst decisions made for this movie, tbh

[@leprechaun8717]

One of the things I think the movie didn't think much about is: What's stopping Palpatine from just coming back again? It's not like it's going to be hard for him, or anyone else the writer wants.

[@dvader518]

What stopped him from coming back after Dark Empire?

[@lisboah]

​@@dvader518In Dark Empire, a Jedi let himself become the next vessel so that he and the other deceased Jedi could drag Palpatine's spirit to the Void. Transfering one's spirit only works if the vessel's will is weak enough to allow this.

[@voicingdragoon7]

08:57 Actually feel bad for that Imperial admiral cause all he did was ask a fair question. "These people wanna give us an army, what do they ask for in return?" and Kylo tries to kill him for simply asking. Wasn't even a personal questioning or doubt for Kylo.

[@lisboah]

Even Vader wouldn't be this stupid. Vader killed others for incompetence or failure, not for having a temper tantrum, which Kylo seems to have all the time.

[@voicingdragoon7]

@lisboah Exactly. They tried pulling Vader imagery, completely ignoring why Vader did what he did. When Vader shocked that Imperial admiral in new hope it was cause the admiral insulted Vader personally

[@leoryff979]

Since the rest of the comments has made their grievances apparent (on this and every other Star Wars video online), I might as well actually point out some fun facts. Threepio's actor, Anthony Daniels, is the only actor to be in every mainline movie. The portions with Leia were filmed before Carrie Fisher passed away. The scenes on that planet are all deleted scenes from other movies tweaked and voice edited. It's why her death scene is in shadow like that. It's how they kept Leia relevant while still giving her dignified death scene. The "Festival only happens every 42 years" is a reference to how it many years it was between the release of "A New Hope" and "Rise" The repairs to Ren's helmet were based on Kintsugi, the Japanese art of mending broken objects with gold, though obviously he used a different material. BB8 recharging D-0 with a bit of his own charge is pretty much him copying Rey and the cave worm and that's a little detail I like. When they first enter Babu Frik's shop, the old human with an eyepatch is John Williams, the composer for most of Star Wars' music and beyond. When Leia had a Force vision showing she would go down a path she didn't like, she opted to give being a Jedi to avoid that path.. Unlike her bio dad that had a Force vision and decided he could have his wedding cake and be a Jedi too.

[@Tomha]

I knew they were gonna bring Palpatine back, but I thought it was going to be a lot more cool an explanation than we got. I guessed since Force Ghosts were a thing, the Sith probably had some vampiric phantom version where they have to constantly drain life from others and even possess them, almost like demons. Having Palpatine possessing the most corrupt, hate filled people around to leech off of them until they become broken husks, and I thought it'd have Kylo Ren become a unwilling host and needing an Jedi Exorcism. The Movie explanation? He's just somehow back.

[@noonethatspecial]

And then Disney had to make Project Necromancer the buzzword to explain "Somehow Palpatine returned."

[@KelShu]

Don't you love that a Palpatine came out on top by the end of the trilogy again?

[@shockzz1234]

I really love that it was said for many movies that Anakin was supposed to be the one to destroy the Sith and then he did. For like 30 years. And then Palpatine came back. And it was actually Rey that did it. Maybe. Who knows? Love it.

[@Alone-SF]

Oh, you know you're in for treat when you gotta go "wtf" on the second sentence of the opening crawl. Honestly, the ONLY theater experience I have ever regretted

[@SpamSide_B]

I feel like this movie was written by a boardroom meeting instead of actual writers.

[@red_storm4578]

Clone wars made me appreciate the prequels even more

[@taquito828]

Yes... they don't really explain how Palpatin came back, they just started trying to explain it in shows like The Bad Batch and The Mandalorian.

[@rocky-my5ck]

It kinda fucked up those shows too imma be honest

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

The shows didn't explain it either, lol. Showing that the Empire was interested in cloning force potential to inject it into bodies doesn't connect much to Palpatine, lol.

[@daysand123]

To be fair. In Mandalorian it wasn't even for Palpatine. It was for the guy that could box someone welding a lightsaber with just a mechanized beskar suit of power armor. Gotta hand it to the actor though. Even when shit got ham at the end he didn't phone in the performance.

[@JimDA1000]

In legends continuity, Palpatine came back too. But it was explained. Force technique called essence transfer.

[@anthonyvegbali4350]

Ian McDiarmid plays Palpatine through out the franchise, he is 80 years old

[@Mugthraka]

A shame he was wasted on this. Poor man quited the saga as one of the beloved characters, and return to see it in shambles and people hating it

[@DestroySteve]

Granted, they did bring Palpatine back with the Dark Empire in the books, but those were not canon and they actually went into depth with how Palpatine was doing it and the consequences of him doing it. At no point did they ever say “somehow Palpatine returned.” And left it at that for the most part. 😂

[@jaguarandi240]

Also about Rose why she's not in the third movie. There was so much racism and hatred towards her and Finn that she literally had to quit Twitter and all her socials cuz of the harassment and I think they basically got to Disney and they took away. Rose, that's why the whole roast thing went away too

[@Indurok]

I didn't like Rose, but I sure as hell didn't see any reason to harass the actress. Why is it so hard for audiences to blame the people who actually make the decisions for the movie instead of the actors who are simply following directions? I just don't get it.

[@HorribleGamingFun]

i'm gonna defend the "Somehow Palpatine has returned" line because 1) how the fuck are they supposed to know how he returned? They know Palps is a powerful force user, but they don't grasp just how powerful he is, what he's capable of AND Palp would keep the information entirely to himself. 2) Star Wars fans know how he came back and 3) It doesn't matter how he came back when all is said and done

[@Desgaroth]

they could make Palpatine at least roughly explain it. Also not everyone who is a star wars fan will consume ALL media there is about the whole franchise. So no star wars fans would not know how he came back and even if they can think of a way for him to come back, it is still a far pull. They just did not bother explaining stuff because they were also done and wanted it to be finished.

[@gizmo1me]

I generally like to believe the entire sequel trilogy is not cannon and was just a bad crack dream. ESPECIALLY this movie, over two hours of my life I'll never get back.

[@Mugthraka]

It basicly is whats happening i think Even Lucas films arn't considering it canon anymore, since nearly ALL the projects they've been working on takes place BEFORE the Bootleg Trilogy.

[@krajicsek13]

0:15 HELL YEAH but just in case check what order you have to watch it because the episodes are all over the place

[@justindavis5910]

I remember this being the first movie I actually walked out of and wanted my money back. I went with my brother and we just sat in the parking lot for a good 45 mins just baffled by what we just watched.

[@Oldtaku1]

Okay. My thoughts: In episode 7, it was made fairly clear that Rey and Finn had a possible Friendship/ Romance thing blossoming. Then in Episode 8, They introduce Rose Tico because we can't have a black/ white interracial relationship. But the character of Rose became so disliked, they cut her part out almost completely for this movie. THEN they pursue the Kylo/ Rey romance which NOBODY ASKED FOR!!! The only saving grace for me is the theory of the Rey/ Finn/ Poe love (Fin like Rey/ Poe, Poe Likes Finn).

[@robpettigrew3308]

Oh alot of people were shipping Kylo and Rey. I thought it was a horrible idea but alor of people asked for it

[@Mugthraka]

THe fact that Rey &Finn wasn't a thing and they tried it with Rose, was to appeal to the CHinese Market China is ABSOLUTLY racist when it come to Black people, just look at the movie Posters in China, either Finn isn't on it or he's barely on it somewhere in the background. So having Him and Rey be romaticly involved was a surefire way to bury the Chinese market Just how they edited out the 2 lesbians kissing at the end of the 8th or 9th movie (can't remember in wich one it happens, don't care) Disney are "Queer" """Allies""" but only when its convenient to them...Irony. So they brought in an Asian character to appeal to the market. And yes the Weird part of the new "Fandom" was Shipping Kyli & Rey like their lives depended on it to the point of harrasing Adam Driver's wife to make her leave him so that he could be with "his true love"...

[@daysand123]

To be fair to JJ. He did everything he could with an angry fanbase at his back that wanted blood. This was clearly made with an attempt to put something together without pissing people off and just giving them what they want, and the weird part is it worked for the first week the movie was out. Then, the afterglow subsided.

[@hotfart]

Lol it was for Reylo fans and no one else. People love to act like the negativity came from racists and bigots but it was Reylo Stans sending actual death threats.

[@dvader518]

The lesson to be learned is to never listen to fans. They will never be happy.

[@scalyvaporeon2232]

I am sorry, but The D-0 droid looks like the pixar lamp strapped to a smoke detector XD

[@garrettshephard]

I ended up never watching this one, as it dropped during the time I took a six month hiatus from anything Star Wars or Disney because I was tired of the drama, community toxicity, and Disney's legal crusade against fan passion projects. When you realize that something dear to you is starting to make you sick, it can be good to put it down until you either find a way to hold it safely, or decide to let it go entirely.

[@Mugthraka]

"community toxicity" You talking about the Kyloren shipers? or the Ones that clamors that "the Force is Female" ?

[@Indurok]

I thought that I was over Star Wars after seeing this movie. Star Wars has been a huge part of my life since I was little. Being born in 1993, I grew up on both trilogies. So it was just sad to see such a big part of my life being squandered by shitty writers who completely break the rules of a universe I thought I understood. So I figured I was done with Star Wars. Then after playing so many Zelda games for the first time, Zelda became my favorite franchise. But then last summer, I started playing Episode 1: Racer on my N64, and Shadows of the Empire on my laptop. Then I played Republic Commando on my Xbox Series S. Then I decided to buy and play the old Battlefront games and loved them, especially the second one. Then I bought the entire Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series and also loved them. Then Revenge of the Sith, since the PS2 copy I have is in rough shape anyway. I also got The Force Unleashed 1 and 2, the more recent Battlefront games, Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga, and The Clone Wars from the early 2000s, which is probably my least favorite Star Wars game, but it's still alright. Listening to Sam Witwer talking about Star Wars in some videos on KZbin also played a part in rekindling my relationship with the Star Wars franchise. So long as I don't bother with the Sequels, I think I will continue to love Star Wars.

[@badpope]

27:00 Chewy lives for 100s of years. For him, humans dying is like losing pets. It hurts but eventually he has to move on.

[@sebastianemond5313]

24:17 - 24:23 That's actually a call back to the sad Imperial March theme from when Luke unmasked Vader in Return of the Jedi.

[@Kortegard03]

I remember watching this in theaters and it legit made me cry because it was so bad

[@hehu4025]

Anakin - the chosen one who will restore balance to the Force and kill Palpatine Episode 9: ... The first 30 seconds ruin everything from episode 1 to 9 Anakin's sacrifice? To the trash Luke's optimism? Oh wow it came back after his death And now Rey who is called "Nobody" or "Palpatine" by the fandom and is hated will get a trilogy for herself and is supposed to take Luke's place. She can't be herself? She has to destroy the meaning of other characters and stories that came before her. But well, considering that she's a character without any arc, development, motivation or strong personality, I'm not surprised that everyone says she's a Mary Sue. For me, this character suffered the most, literaly became a garbage and is a symbol of failure and lack of any vision.

[@firerath]

Death Star What makes this trilogy such a disaster is that it undid the achievements of the past heroes. The Rebellion didn’t succeed in toppling the empire, Luke failed to restore the Jedi, Anakin didn’t destroy the sith and bring balance to the force, their stories are reduced to backstory and then they die. Palpatine succeeded in destroying everything Anakin cared for, his wife, his son and daughter, and his descendants, the very thing that drove him to sacrifice his life. In the end, Darth Vader turning back to the light is made pointless because everything he achieve was undone anyway.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

There are people who can make "writing by the seat of your pants" work. This sequel trilogy proved Disney absolutely could not.

[@T2266]

If fans of the Last Jedi and haters of the Last Jedi agreed on one thing it'd be that the Rise of Skywalker is bad.

[@theemperormoth5089]

Death Star Only movie in the sequels that I outright didn’t like but there were aspects I liked (mainly the winter planet with the cool architecture) I appreciated your opinions on the movies. It’s always fun to see people who never watched the movies ever before. Looking forward to The Clone Wars.

[@300DBenz]

You can blame the regression of the Finn and Rose plotline on the toxic-ass fans, they hated on her sooooooo much after The Last Jedi, the actress damn near quit the industry

[@Mugthraka]

Her character is annoying, is useless, managed to waste 30% of the watchtime of the movie she was in and her arc makes no sens Yeah sure, there was NO reason to NOT hate the character Pity for the actress, but then again, she wasn't that good.

[@TheRealBitterbub]

"How he alive?" Yeah... Uh, they don't explain it at all why or how Palpatine is back. He's just back, because. There's an answer in the EU, but they said pretty clearly they weren't using the EU. Honestly, I'd be all for this more if they set it up. But they didn't. We at least got Kylo from this, he was consistently a solid character.

[@PopeDuwang]

Fortnite. Fortnite is how.

[@EnsignRicky011]

Here’s what bugs me: They explain it. Not very well, but they do. Dominic Monaghan says how, cloning and sorcery. And if any motherfucker knows about clones, it’s Palpy.

[@yourcollegedebt8384]

That's right. They announced how in a limited Fortnite event.

[@Crocogator]

Did nobody play the Battlefront 2 campaign and DLC? Wait, don't answer that...

[@TheRealBitterbub]

@@Crocogator To be fair, it definitely should've been explained in the movies for the average audience, assuming they had any foresight, which sadly they probably didn't.

[@bloodhazat264]

21:23 Hux the guy who killed trillion people in different planets said "I'm the spy"???? Truly Peak writing all SW fiction😂

[@javonf]

the question now is, will the clone wars be release order or chronological order? Hopefully chronologically. The star wars marathon has been a fun reaction, glad to see we will get more.

[@GhostWatcher2024]

"Main character syndrome." That the number 1 issue of this whole trilogy. 2nd biggest fail was the substitution of spectacle over character development.

[@SpiderandMosquito]

Congratulations on finishing the films. Hope you enjoy Clone Wars :) "Death Star" :)

[@sebastianemond5313]

34:15 - 34:25 Oprah: "You get a lightsaber! You get a lightsaber! *Everybody gets a lightsabeeeeeer!!* "

[@Сайтамен]

"I like that she is not a strong driver" - you forgot her piloting the Falcon alone?

[@justinisp9361]

Deathstar So, Disney recently came out saying that they didn't have a plan for the Sequel trilogy.... Which is BS because if they hadn't made all the Expanded/Legend Universe books noncanon they could've used that. There is quite literally a comic (And maybe a book or two) on Palpatine coming back as a Clone where Luke turns to the Dark Side of the Force only to then betray the newly reborn Sith Lord so he could kill him permanently. Han doesn't die, Leia doesn't die, Luke doesn't die and all of them go on to bigger, better adventures where Luke's new Jedi Order includes his and Leia's kids, she has three and he has one with one of the best, now noncanon female characters Mara Jade. Didn't have a plan for the Sequels.... Yeah. That's pretty obvious.

[@Sparksparky1]

Also luke does die I beilve he dies in the vong wars Also nobody cared about leia and hans death Also alot of the stuff that had the children of han and leia and Luke in them sucked

[@Sparksparky1]

My guy dark empire still sucked though and the luuke clone thing was shitty and would of looked horrible on the big screen also the reason why mara jade isn't canon is because lucasfilm is afraid to make her canon due to George's controversial confusing opinions on her Also are you even aware that most legends author's want their characters in Disney canon

[@justinisp9361]

@@Sparksparky1 Oh, I did not know that about Mara Jade. Thanks for telling me. And, yeah, it was still stupid back then, too. I agree. But I, at least, thought the story was better over all versus what we got in The Rise of Skywalker. A part of that is most definitely me not liking Rey's character but also some of the acting of other characters like Poe's final delivery right before the cavalry comes in is just atrocious. That being said, I am a fan of people loving what they want even if I don't particularly like it. I'm still a big defender of the Prequels so what do I know.

[@justinisp9361]

@@Sparksparky1 That's probably true for many people in regards to their kids, but if you grew up reading all the old Expand lore you'd still be annoyed with Disney for removing them from canon regardless. And it's pretty clear Disney doesn't really care about making certain the lore is correct. I will admit to not being that diehard of a fan, but there are those out there who hate what Disney has done to Star Wars.

[@KazeAizen]

Psst. Those were mostly bad.

[@therwbyfamilton8023]

I will also let you know about that ‘Message from Palpatine’ was from a FORTNITE EVENT! WE FIND OUT PALPATINE RETURNS IN A FORTNITE EVENT!

[@TheThreadWeaver]

If you want to have a giggle, Worthikids put out an *exquisite* animation for this point in Star Wars. It's genuinely great.

[@sanokal]

Death Star: Regarding Rey's fights with Ren in 7 and this one, Ren basically had every disadvantage he possibly could have in 7 (8 touches on this briefly). * he was an emotional wreck after murdering his father * he'd been shot by Chewie's bowcaster (something that usually sends a stromtrooper flying; Ren's just that much of a tank) * he'd been wounded in the shoulder by Finnn * he also has Rey on the defensive for most of it whereas in this one he has basically none of those disadvantages, so he kinda schools her.

[@TDM1138]

Usually don’t make multiple comments but didn’t make any comments on this film. It… I want to like it. Just like TLJ there are things I like. The whole trilogy was unfocused. Rian Johnson destroyed Luke, so JJ didn’t have Luke to use with Carrie Fisher having passed away. So we got footage from Force Awakens frankenstein’d into these scenes with Rey or weird shots with a body double from behind. Not to mention JJ Abrams basically tried to undo TLJ after its backlash which led to an even more uneven story in this film. Then killing Kylo and leaving the Skywalker name to Rey, who was just given everything and could instantly do everything, and who was a Palpatine. It’s an infuriating ending that the franchise really hasn’t recovered from. Love Mandalorian but they can throw CGI Mark Hamill at me a day, but I still know where Disney decided to make Luke end up.

[@thorminerdk9906]

Some infomation that may be good to know all of the film where filmed and made around the same time meaning the director for the first and second is different and the last movie has the first movie director. The last thing is sins it was in production around the same time you. Meant that 3 movie was in the making before the 2 movie was released. Last thing Carrie fisher who plays Lea died before the 3 movie meaning all her scenes was made from recording from the second and first movie.

[@matebakk5187]

This movie was a series of blunders (honestly IMO the entire trilogy was). It shows that they basically had zero solid idea what they wanted to do with the story and characters (the two directors didn't help). And of course this was in the middle/end of GoT hype so their idea of unexpected and "mystery box" just killed the trilogy. See: Snoke is the villain, but we kill him with no trouble! But Palpatine (somehow) returned! Or Rey's parentage: somebody important (theories went from Kenobi, Skywalker and Palpatine) - nobody important - Palpatine's granddaughter. Finn (what did he want to tell Rey?+ his arc). Rose... new lady whos name I don't even recall, Exagol (wayfinder, half the Galaxy turned up /not for Leia by the way/, build 1000 star destroyer) Luke's character, the chase in episode 8 (and Holdo's idiocy), (and just tactics in episode 8, bombers, hyper ram...), the casino scene... Anyone knows who Maz Katana was in episode 7 and her story? It is a mess. Too many characters whos story don't go anywhere or just forgotten altogether, the few story we get got retconned in the next movie. edit: And I still haven't forgiven that it wasn't the Thrawn Trilogy that was made instead. Just The Last Command and Mara Jade would have made it better than this trilogy let alone the entire series.

[@Skarix]

They just skipped over Solo: A Star Wars Story huh. That movie was so forgettable they literally forgot to watch it. (Death Star)

[@sebastianemond5313]

36:45 - 36:50 😒But you ain't *Iron Man,* which this sequel was clearly trying bank off of. Both Avengers: Endgame and Rise of Skywalker were released the same year, 2019; weird how Disney keeps trying to steal the Oscar from themselves.

[@Sealice_the_Silver]

Jedi can use force lightning but it's very uncommon, Plo Koon (the Jedi who died in his starfighter in Episode 3), could actually use it

[@OrgyMeyer]

WE GOT DEATH STAR! WE GOT DEATH STAR! WE GOT DEATH STAR! WE GOT DEATH STAR! AND YOU KNOW THAT WE GOT IT! DEATH STAR! AND YOU KNOW THAT WE GOT IT! DEATH STAR! -star wars gangsta rap (check it out!)

[@Nolan65775]

Regardless of what you say about this entire trilogy, love it or hate it. One interesting fun fact is that after Kylo died, hardcore Rey x Kylo shippers were so pissy that they legit sent death threats to the director of this film and harassed the real life actors over it. Especially Daisy Ridley, Rey, who straight up said she always thought it was 'toxic' and Adam Driver's actual IRL wife.

[@D3viant517]

It is hilarious how this film managed to piss off every group of shippers. Reylo fans by barely developing the romance and then killing off kylo right after the out of nowhere kiss, finnpoe shippers by introducing random new female love interests for both of them and getting rid of their good chemistry, finnrose shippers by writing her out of the movie, huxlo shippers by having hux nonsensically betray the first order because wahh kylo mean and then killing him off unceremoniously. Truly remarkable.

[@Nolan65775]

@@D3viant517 I didn't know about all that. I just only heard about the 'Reylo' shipper's crazy BS. I never got into this trilogy. The first movie was alright but after that the second and third movies dropped the ball IMO.

[@pondoorwastaken]

I find it interesting how much they get mad about the Finn/Rose relationship just getting ignored by this film, but seem to have forgotten the Finn/Rey relationship that the first film in the trilogy started building.

[@literalsarcasm1830]

"Taking one last look sir, at my friends" 😢

[@brianbayot8347]

Death Star: I confess that I never watched this movie, but I watched breakdowns of it and I am rather glad I never did watch it. So many of these scenes and plot "twists" and all that would have irked me to no end. How did Palpatine survive? Why did he have kids? Why didn't he use the Final Order fleet when he was building the Second Death Star? How is the "Holdo Maneuver" a one-in-a-million thing? What stopped the entire galaxy from weaponizing hyperdrives for thousands of years? Why did Palpatine give the exact knife needed to reach his super-secret base to an assassin sent to kill his child and spouse? Why did the entire galaxy ignore the Resistance's calls for help against a couple First Order ships, but came storming in when it was a thousand Star Destroyers? The questions are endless, the answers are practically non-existent, and this movie has killed my faith in a good Star Wars movie ever coming out again.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

Disney did answer the first two questions in a comic, though the reasons are crap Palpatine's soul transferred into a clone body after Episode 6. His clone body couldn't contain his soul well which is why it looks so rotten. Palpatine didn't have a child the natural way. His son is one of the many failed clones that he made as he's not force sensitive. The son escaped Exegol and married Rey's mother while in hiding. Snoke was also one of the products of Palpatine's experiments.

[@AusSP]

If Palpatine was Snoke's master/creator, why are the First Order and Final Order two totally different organizations? Why did the Empire really fall, if Palpatine was just alive the whole time?

[@kevthepoet]

​@@nobblkpraetorian5623 answering the questions in a comic doesn't make the movie less trash for not explaining it in the movie.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

@@kevthepoet Yeah I agree, it seems that they only came up with the reasons after they made the movie.

[@samuelclayhills3298]

Because people got so butt hurt about ep 8 so they backpedeld with 9 witch really just dropped the series. Its basically the Korra of star wars.

[@JLF-cn1rr]

Don't give Disney an out it doesn't deserve. It was completely inexcusable to have no idea how their trilogy was going to end before they even finished storyboarding the first film. With all the resources and talent Lucasfilm and Disney had on tap. I'm not disputing how obnoxious the fanbase can be, but every flaw and shortcoming these movies put out is entirely on Lucasfilm and its own ineptitude.

[@Phantom_Fireside]

That hurts, don't insult Korra like that (joking)

[@GaryGyarados]

One major problem that the writers and the, few, fans failed to realize is that Palpatine got what he wanted, and according to the dialog he should now be possessing Rey's body.

[@Plasmagon99]

There is so much wrong with the Disney trilogy it's hard to summarize. Ep 7: The force never Awakend, Rey beat a trained Jedi/Sith in Lightsaber combat. Ep 8: Luke's whole character is not Luke at all, Rey within than 48 hours (Last move and this one) is on par with Kylo/Ben as a trained Jedi/Sith, the Red Gaurd fight had ass pull coriagraphy to save Rey's life, Rey lifted more objects than any Jedi/Sith ever (again with less than 48 hours of training), Rose saves Finn and tells him to stop saving his friend to save his friends, Snoke was a a nothing villain. Ep 9: Rey finally gets training, Palpatine randomly returns for nistalga bait, same for Lando, sadly, Rey randomly uses force lightning to bait and switch "Kill" Chewbacca, Rey randomly learned on a whim the very force power Anakin needed to avoid becoming a Sith, Rey did not become all the Sith after killing Palpatine like he wanted her to do to him, the knights of Ren finally show up only to die by the man that leads them, Rey is the new chosen one because a woman has to do it and because f*** men.

[@ViewerOnline101]

Palpatine's resurrection was explained in other media sources. Since Sith can't return as Force Ghosts like Jedi because they're too concerned with worldly desires, Palpatine was trying to become immortal by creating clones of himself. Just before he was killed by Darth Vader, he transferred his spirit to one of them. The Dark Side causes the body to rot, hence why he looked all rotten. One of his clones wasn't Force sensitive, so while it didn't rot, it was useless to Palpatine, so he discarded it. That clone was Rey's father, thus making Rey his "granddaughter". Yeah, it was a... creative choice for sure.

[@Desgaroth]

then at least attempt to explain it in the movie you're showing him completely out of left field. It's still a dumb explanation and i doubt it would have changed anything, but at least make the attempt instead of just going "Somehow he's back. Major bummer, i guess." it spits in the face of every fan.

[@mrbaldy1665]

The Last Jedi got a lot of hate for trying to change things up. So much so that Lucasfilm over corrected for this one. They brought back the director from Force Awakens who completely rewrite the whole movie. The down side of their initial plan of having each movie have a different writer and director was already that it made it feel disjointed because the different directors were interested in exploring other aspects rather than what the previous one set up. Then this one happened and it was almost like it enhanced all those problems.

[@bowtiegaming0001]

Fun fact: In a comic that Disney deemed no longer canon, it was revealed that Palpatine influenced the midi-chlorians in Shmi's womb to birth Anakin. So technically, Anakin is Palpatine's son, which makes Luke his grandson, and Ben his great-grandson. If Rey is his granddaughter, technically, that makes Rey and Ben cousins, which somehow makes their romance subplot worse than it already is.

[@kaygee2121]

It didn't work though. They are not related.

[@MCBUDHA4000]

lets go! yall are watching clone wars next. get ready for tears

[@kingofjacks]

Somehow, Alicia returned!

[@thecripledgammer9106]

Yeah!! Clone wars!!! I can't wait

[@MrAl360]

I’ll never forget how destroyed my Dad felt as we left the theater from watching this. We were genuinely curious how the story would go since the last jedi had left everyone in interesting spots- only for Rise of Skywalker to just be like “Uh… never mind! Go back! Go back!”

[@markerikson7423]

When the crawl said "The dead speak" it was talking about Fortnite

[@justinschmelzel8806]

So what happened was there was huge fan backlash for episode 8 so they basically went back on every good idea that movie had and made the most generic scifi action movie they could. With as much "fan service" thrown in as possible. And rose was surprisingly one of the things got a lot of hate for some reason. Death stars... death stars everywhere.

[@Mugthraka]

Ep8 had NO GOOD IDEAS I have no clue of what you are talking about

[@justinschmelzel8806]

@Mugthraka Rey actually developed in that movie, Poe developed in that movie, Finn developed in that movie. Rey being from nowhere was an amazing idea showing you don't have to be from someplace special to be special. Kylo was set up as irredeemable big bad, which is new and interesting for star wars. We seem to have no issue with "emperor irredeemable" but if we see the persons decent they have to be redeemable for some reason. Episode 8 was the best sequel. There is a reason Hamill LOVED everyone elses part.