Can Josh Allen’s struggles open the door for Lamar Jackson to win MVP? | FIRST THINGS FIRST

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[@Marauder92V]

@@FirstThingsFirst Maybe if it was titled “What’s Wrong with Nick Wright?”, you’d get a lot more subscribers. 😆

[@puncherofmothersarcade]

The MVP is Patrick Mahomes. 14-1 = he's better than your best guy....

[@bigdongbob838]

Strangely, that graphic of Lamar vs Josh omitted run stats.

[@RrRookiEeE]

@@puncherofmothersarcade U rlly think that argument is gonna work huh? I guess Joe Burrow is not a top 10 QB then...

[@RrRookiEeE]

This show is gonna refuse to acknowledge the cupcake schedule Allen has. 3-12 Jags, 3-12 Patriots 3x, 4-11 Jets 2x, 3-12 Titans alone are 7 easy wins. Not to even mention the offensively avengerless 6-9 49ers, the Lions nonexistent defense, 7-8 Dolphins, 7-8 Colts, 7-8 Cardinals. Vs Lamars 9-6 Chargers, 12-3 Bills, (including Bengals cuz of Burrow putting up MVP numbers even rivaling Josh Allen), 8-7 Bucs, 10-5 Steelers, 9-6 Texans, 9-6 Broncos, 10-5 Commanders. Like bro.

[@daWakandanDude]

4:10 Widles face when coach called the Patriots “common criminals”😂😂😂

[@doubleRRking]

It's so subtlety disrespectful but hilarious at the same time

[@webringthebooms]

Duverney, obj, geno stone, queen, a defensive coordinator several defensive and offensive linemen. You're acting like the ravens stayed the same.

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

Not too mention a majority of the coaching staff

[@Jron2121]

Obj and Duverney 😂

[@legorovers9838]

@@Jron2121duvernay is a nothing burger but obj matters hes better than nelson whos been awful the whole year

[@edmundrussell6044]

​@@legorovers9838 Duvernay shortens the field on punt returns.

[@Dr.DeXter3]

The way you have written duverney and obj surely they must have been lighting the league on fire for some other team and if not they atleast must be top contributor in your team last year right?

[@geo32573]

When the Chiefs do "Just enough to win" then it's the Chiefs "Always finding a way to win" but if Buffalo does it then it's "Buffalo has some issues" 😂😂

[@madjames2392]

Just returning the energy

[@tracybranson1699]

I'm a Chief's fan and I agree. I don't know how other fans watch this show, Nicks really biased

[@chill_onpark9492]

But at the same time No one on the Chiefs has come out and said “were holding back” even after facing teams they should be blowing out

[@WillWilliams-vo4nk]

Chiefs have won multiple SBs over the past few seasons. They earned more leeway than y'all, lol people need to stop comparing their teams to the chiefs. You would say the same thing if your team won the SB and then the next season was 14-1. What have the Bills done for people not to believe they have issues?

[@sprawlz6466]

@@chill_onpark9492 yeah but we know that’s what they’re doing. Allen actually did say they were holding back against the Pats tho

[@inigorodriguez8299]

Interestingly enough, the Derrick Henry argument against Lamar for MVP doesn't hold any water for me because we've seen Lamar win MVPs without him. I still think Josh will win it unless he has a disastrous 2 games to end the season, but I do think it'll solely be due to voter fatigue because Lamar has had the better season by far.

[@PMD41]

The argument doesn't wash because it doesn't matter what happened prior. Your matters what happened this year. The fact that he won two already in the situations that he didn't have Derek, means there probably wasn't a suitable competitor to take the title from him. This year, he's playing with the super team while Josh Allen has just himself.

[@SneakySnake133]

Then Allen should’ve won it last season, because Allen had the better season by far.

[@inigorodriguez8299]

@@SneakySnake133 idk boy, them second-most in the league 18 INTS looked mighty awful

[@brandonohara4122]

By far? No, just no.

[@ryanshedler4861]

They only look awful if you don't realize that 1 was on a Hail mary, 3 were off his WRs hands, one was on a 4th down that cost the Dolphins yardage and like 6 were 3rd and 17+ and it was a deep shot that was picked. Just to and watch his picks last year.

[@owengray6608]

Brou nailed the analysis of this game I’d say, classic brou w for the whole show today

[@mylesflores8248]

Ngl I found it pretty insane that these analysts and reporters were basically double downing on Allen being MVP when we still had 3 to 4 weeks of football left. Felt incredibly premature

[@Elijxhcross]

they just want Allen to win it so bad

[@NealRigga007]

I mean he's still the heavy favorite in vegas.

[@Mindag13]

They’re still doing it lol

[@xrppornstar9483]

Bruh - wake up. It happens every year. This is nothing new.

[@kurtis8284]

They did the same thing for lamar and it wasn't half way into the season yet

[@rcud1]

Primarily Bills receivers not able to catch passes in the 9 degree weather.

[@larry2281]

Exactly. There were 5 drops yesterday including 3 from Shakir who never drops the ball. 2 potential TDs dropped.

[@josephh7983]

@@larry2281 And they couldn't beat man coverage.. NE's db's were locking up our wr's...

[@jgmusic_]

​@larry2281 welcome to the ravens losses against the browns, raiders, and steelers. Lamar MV3

[@josephh7983]

@@jgmusic_ good thing you have the king

[@thedeifiedjulius2310]

@@jgmusic_ Lamar disappear in the playoffs Jackson. Another MVP for him would further highlight his playoff incompetence

[@chandler6973]

Bring back Hoang Bi

[@crzycolchris]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jerodgraham6623]

No, he’s a thief.

[@Zayvrse]

@@jerodgraham6623he was our Robin Hood🥲

[@catchingfrauds]

@@Zayvrsegreen arrow

[@hatmoney3340]

True FTF fans blocked Hoang. Hoang and all of his subs are clowns.

[@dsmangamaster]

I find it hilarious that they spend the whole segment talking about how if Allen doesn't throw on the cape, the bills look terrible. Then spend the next segment talking about whether he deserves MVP or not😂. Y'all just proved he deserves it more than anyone

[@brianmartinez4826]

he doesnt need to throw on the cape cuz his team wins regardless which means his team isnt as bad as yall say they arr

[@PlumpHotdog]

People don't understand how true it is. Allen is the only reason the Bills aren't 3-12 right now. The MVP is a joke and a woke popularity contest. He deserves it, has for the last four years, but won't get it. Sucks for him, but he's got the Mafia, Lamar has bandwagon fans and crackheads

[@francescosmith7859]

well to be fair, the question was did Josh open the door for Lamar to win. So it actually does make sense since Josh was the leading favorite and played a poor game.

[@mazphamm]

Brother the Ravens are 0-5 when Lamar doesn't have a passer rating of 114. 114 would be good enough for 2nd in the league

[@JacksonH-m3v]

@@PlumpHotdog ...Elaborate on the woke popularity contest

[@7xfit94]

If stats don't matter, then why not give Mahomes the mvp? With every argument that they make for Josh, someone else is better in that arguments category.

[@Scantgod]

Awesome!! Jalen hurts should be considered just as much as Jalen

[@bjames692]

Good point and I’m a Ravens fan

[@kelseywalker2342]

It is wild to think Allan has basically the same yards passing tds, and ints (+2td -2ints) and Allan is front runner for mvp and Rodgers might get released lol

[@jaysonterry4746]

It’s most valuable player, that defence has won most of kc games. Take Allen off the bills and they don’t win more then 2 games

[@fkscopes]

Because it's a combination of things. Allen has limited offense talent and a bad defense yet #2 in afc carrying the team on his back. Yall really have a tough time figuring that out? Lol

[@ScorpioKing81]

It amazes me that people either get mad or surprised by the fact that Nick is biased towards the Chiefs. His hometown team. When more times than not, everyone is biased towards their teams.

[@cypriancox]

Well said! What bothers me is when ex-NFL players who are now Analysts, when commenting on a team they played for would say "we".

[@ncnuggets]

Biased is one thing. Actively and routinely trying to create a narrative that contradicts itself over and over is another.

[@timscharf3289]

@@ncnuggetsGood thing that’s not what’s happening.

[@trueson5351]

He is just disgusting with it tho

[@JerZ_Grape17nOX]

@@timscharf3289that’s what exactly keeps on happening let’s cut it out. If Brady was still in the league and getting the favorable calls the chiefs constantly get i wonder what Nick be calling it huh 😂

[@GuyRBrewer109]

When you need excuses on why a candidate should receive the MVP, and one of them being that another candidate has multiple MVPs, then you lose. The MVP should be clear cut, no argument and no excuses.

[@StudentOfLife365]

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!!!! Automatic lose if you're using the other candidate having multiple MVPs already and to let Josh get one!!! That's so weak and pathetic, he has to EARN IT!!! The moment they start just giving it to players without earning it, they significantly decrease the value of the award and at that point it could be bought.

[@gregwatts3124]

Josh is hands down the MVP

[@asartheodore5245]

Yeah rite wit multiple no TD games a e z schedule!!! SMMFH

[@vickjr98]

Hands down is a stretch

[@blakegoold6943]

Struggles? It was one game 😂😂😂

[@JTitus-pb7zo]

He’s had TERRIBLE games this yr. 9/30 against the Texans , 5 games with a bad passer rating under 74, 180 yards vs Lamar and the Ravens and Now 60 passer rating against the worse defense in football

[@shanepleasants6280]

@@JTitus-pb7zohe’s been playing with a broken hand was picked to finish 3rd in the conference and miss the playoffs he’s the MVP he has less talent on offense and he defense is atrocious

[@thesedaze2381]

​@JTitus-pb7zo and I can cherry pick games where lamar had the same stats

[@JTitus-pb7zo]

@@thesedaze2381 Lamar has NEVER gone 9/30 in a game nor had a game with only 154 yrds . Let alone this yr

[@JTitus-pb7zo]

@@shanepleasants6280 If he’s playing I don’t care about a so called broken hand. WHO knows what Lamar, burrow and Pat are dealing with. He just wants the sympathy vote

[@Daxie916]

Allen’s stats were better than Lamar’s last year. Media tends to forget

[@HjjMaker]

Yea 42 td and 18 int don’t get you mvp

[@respectthejux8626]

He had 22 turnovers lamar didn't

[@pmc9593]

Allen through 18 pics last year. He was good but not even as good as he’s been this year. Lamar had a team full of injured backs and linemen and dominated the best teams. Josh Allen has a losing record to against teams who would make the playoffs this year and Lamar destroyed the bills this year

[@davidpetrosky]

Stats were better, coupled with the most ints in the NFL. Struggling to make the playoffs until a week left in the season. The false equivalence will get you nowhere.

[@sprawlz6466]

His turnover worthy play rate was actually one of the lowest in the NFL in 2023. Allen just had bad receivers and bad luck last year. He was first in yards and TDs. He had 15 more touchdowns than Lamar. His defense choking also took away 4 of his game winning drives which resulted in a slightly disappointing record. I have no idea why Lamar won it last year, he should win it this year tho.

[@Beastmode95]

Allen still the MVP 100%

[@mariocedillo7148]

Man what’s the hold up let’s go

[@lilhyena7534]

need Hoang Bi back 😢

[@DevilsWarGameplay]

Lamar is playing amazing football. I look at it by the teams they are on position for position. Lamar also has two 1st round receivers. Are the Ravens position for position better than The Bills? I think so. I think its a push at QB. I also look at expectations before the season started. The Ravens were picked to win the AFC North and many have them going to the Super bowl. Most of the sports media picked either the Jets or Dolphins to win the AFC East and had Buffalo not making the playoffs. That has to mean something. If the argument is Allen can't be the MVP because Lamar has better stats, then why didn't that happen last year. There were other QB's with better stats than Lamar in 2023. We also can not leave out Barkley in Philly.

[@adamwolsey8589]

the Bills defense played pretty well against Detroit. last three games in order of how bad the defense played 1. rams 2. NE 3. Det Detroit scored w/ 12 seconds left in the game. Goff said it was a lot of garbage time (because it was). They didn't play great in DET but they played better than the score indicated. If you can't understand that, then you don't have enough appreciation for the nuance of a game to understand what is really going on out there.

[@DZCARDZ]

MVP has to be stats driven. If you took Goff, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, etc., they would all be below average teams. The problem is the media. You get stuck on a certain group of players and never let go. Where would Minnesota be wo Darnold? He is a backup QB putting up awesome numbers!

[@PMD41]

You have a case for sam, but he's not he had the season that Lamar and Josh have had

[@johnbennett1729]

You take Goff off the Lions they are still a great team. Lmao

[@jameswilliams7725]

@@johnbennett1729 cap. what proof of that do you have

[@johnbennett1729]

@@jameswilliams7725 I use my eyes and football knowledge. Mahomes, Allen Burrow and Jackson all clear Goff

[@craiglafay]

Plays all year with a broken hand. Has a so so game and wins and he’s out. Didn’t Jackson throw a horrible interception in the red zone. Allen’s was a 3rd and 16 into the end zone. Actually turned out better than a punt. No question Allen is the MVP.

[@sprawlz6466]

Bills defense has been garbage for 5 years. The only difference between this year and previous years is that they don’t stuff the stat sheet as much against bad teams

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

Not true. Just look at the data. 2024: this year is not as good. 21st in PA. 9th in DVOA 2023: 4th in points allowed, 12th in dvoa 2022: 2nd In points allowed. 2nd in DVOA. 2021: 1st in points allowed. 1st in DVOA. Look into this team. Do a deep dive on their data. One of the best of all time. I am not a fan of McDermott's game management or how his teams crumble in big spots. But this notion their defense has been bad is simply not true

[@PMD41]

​@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandlestill no comparison between the Ravens as an organization and a unit, and Buffalo. Tomorrow is playing with much more than Josh ever has.

[@CalebJohnson-k4z]

Bro be lying to prop up a QB that flops and fakes an injury and lies about holding back. 🤣😂

[@kennethsilvestri5874]

I wouldn't say garbage but the defense is typically the reason they lose in the playoffs year after year. Can never get that one stop while Allen throws for 5 TDS. They are too small and need to get bigger on the dline and at linebacker.

[@CalebJohnson-k4z]

@@kennethsilvestri5874 they lose in the postseason because a josh Allen led offense has punted 38 times in the postseason. In 10 games. 🤣😂 While a Mahomes led offense has punted 50 times in 18 games. Hahahahahah. Allen is the reason for their losses.

[@Marauder92V]

It always amazes me how what one person says gets turned into someone’s interpretation. I watched Allen’s press conference. He didn’t say they were holding back but rather they didn’t put all of their playbook on display. They were running a pretty vanilla playbook and not executing it very well The defense is an area of concern but they were responsible for this win because of the three turnovers including the go ahead game winning touchdown.

[@MarvyG23]

Watch josh allen have a great game next week and everyone will say he won the award

[@margcan]

So if the bills and ravens played right now do you think the bills would win ?

[@LucaMinichini-h1b]

​@@margcanno but that's cuz I'm afraid of henry not Lamar

[@omeeawakened]

@@LucaMinichini-h1b😂😂

[@scottmctaggart8171]

Josh will get a pick next game.

[@omeeawakened]

@ you mean another arm punt?

[@krw73]

Josh Allen has performed at such a high level that when he finally does have a day that is similar to Patrick Mahomes, they say he’s struggling.....wow.

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

Exactly great post. The bias against Allen and the Bills here is outrageous and delusional.

[@asartheodore5245]

Wht josh Allen have multiple no TD games &a million 1 TD games wht u talkn bout!!! SMMFH

[@sirGarald]

@@asartheodore5245 Allen has 2 one TD games and 1 no TD games. Mahomes has 5 one TD games and 1 no TD games. Lamar had 5 one TD games and 3 no TD games last year and won MVP.

[@krw73]

@@asartheodore5245 try that again so we can understand it

[@RushNFL]

@@robf5236Lamar’s played every playoff team in the afc except the Texans they’re playing today and he has a record on 5-2 against them try again 7-3 against playoff teams in total😂😂 but keep lying without doing research talking about “bottom feeders” Josh Allen has a record of 2-3 against playoff teams keep lying bum

[@slashertrav]

Without Allen, Bills aren’t 12-3. Simple as that. Lamar proved last year that stats don’t matter in the MVP race.

[@keymold4405]

Lamar showed stats don’t matter? Or Lamar showed leading the league in turnovers immediately revokes you from being eligible for mvp?

[@Zarkmoneybags]

Bills would be better without Allen

[@amitpalbains9361]

Thank you coach for bringing some sense to the table.

[@lynyrd82]

They literally all just confirmed how important Josh is to the team and then followed it by talking about his passer rating keeping the door open for Jackson. The MVP is not a passer rating award, it’s for your importance to your team. Josh singlehanded won three of the previous four massive games. He unfortunately can’t play defense too.

[@jgmusic_]

Lamar carried the worst pass defense in the league for 11 whole weeks. Lamar is definitely the MVP

[@m-free6121]

So the all time record for passer rating means nothing? Lamar is on pace to beat it. It would be the worst snub in nfl history

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​@@m-free6121get over your own bs narrative dude. You're wrong.

[@coolstory6193]

@@jgmusic_Derrick Henry gets no love? 1600 rushing yards and 13tds?

[@keymold4405]

@@coolstory6193you’re a clown Saquon has cleared Henry for over a month when Henry couldn’t do anything because of the offensive line. Watch a game for once

[@stevestevens243]

Allen has the best QBR. Enough said.

[@raaab1212]

No he doesn't lol

[@Demonized515]

Odd for a Josh Allen/Bills guy to childishly mock Allen with a banner.... 🤔

[@kimberlylivingston5865]

Nick Wright rides that mountain with PM and BS

[@cameronstorey1983]

Watch him drop Josh down to tier 3 I swear guys a joker

[@Likeitornot89]

Josh allen has broken 14 records this season. Enough said

[@NealRigga007]

If Nick wasn't a josh allen hater he would hate that roller coaster graphic because he would say that it doesnt count his rushing tds and passer rating needs context. But because he is a hater, the passer rating is the only stat he needs to judge josh allen. Funny how that works.

[@TheRealMallard]

QBR is a worse stat than passer rating and Lamar is till right behind Allen in that

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

@@NealRigga007 he hasn’t been consistent all season that’s the point he’s making. Playing well in 3-4 games shouldn’t get you an mvp for a 17 game season

[@OBPMA]

​@@RavensTheNextDynasty💯 If you've watch all of Allen & Lamar's games, Lamar is more consistent than Josh. Josh's bad games can be historically bad while Lamar's bad games are great games for an average/backup QB

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

@@OBPMA exactly! And Lamar has truly only had 1 “terrible” game this season which was against the Steelers but even that 1 should of been as bad as it was if justice hill just catches that ball

[@chopin1975-tq3gx]

@@RavensTheNextDynasty hes had his best games against the two best teams in the league and had an amazing game and is currently the 2 seed

[@AnthonySodaroTravels]

Bills fan here, defense has been concerning as of late but I like how all the talk shows don’t mention how BOTH starting safeties and #1 corner have been out the last 2 weeks… that won’t help in coverage

[@tdtommy196]

The Bills won a game literally just like the Chiefs won 14 of their games this year.

[@ryanrich1267]

I love how you guys show behind the scenes with the 3 main guys but it'd be fun to see coach and Greg behind the scenes as well

[@keveedarts3693]

When did Josh start playing defense?????? The Bill’s defense is horrible

[@williejohnson5172]

Ravens had the worse defense in the NFL this year!!!!!!!

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​@@williejohnson5172no they did not

[@williejohnson5172]

@@BillsMafiaExperience Ravens had the worse pass defense in the NFL, #32. Within the last 3 or 4 weeks they have now become the best pass defense in the NFL.

[@StevenSSmith-sl1wk]

Such a muted discussion but fair

[@TiffanyBasner]

Honestly I think saquan deserves it but it's a quarterback driven league

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

Bold of Nick to criticize another team for needing heroics in the fourth quarter and eking out a win

[@Messigoat1033]

Nickky 🦜 Wrong was quiet after the Ravens Steelers game 😂. Usually tweets and gloat but man was contemplating the money yet he lost betting against flock.

[@SneakySnake133]

Ravens get their first win against Pittsburgh in years and Lamar moves to 2-4 all time against the Steelers and the ravens are throwing parades because it’s all they have 😂

[@kevinlocklear5044]

​@@SneakySnake133the steelers haven't had a playoff run to speak of in since Ben retired but hey they are 4-2 against Lamar 😂😂😂

[@l9ikjam]

​@@kevinlocklear5044it's called a division game. The same reason the bills struggled to beat the patriots yesterday

[@SneakySnake133]

@@kevinlocklear5044 the ravens and Steelers have the same number of Super Bowl appearances since Ben retired, so idk what the point is there. Enjoy the fraudulent MVPs while Lamar continues to struggle when it matters

[@JScott-r9c]

@@SneakySnake133 Dude, it appears that the "2" 👈🤔 came when it mattered.... ....and you'll have to travel when it matters now....

[@LeaveMyFreedomBe]

Okay so the logic here is the Bills completely rely on Allen, but he might not be the Most Valuable Player? Ummm. That is not logical.

[@TheRealMichaelP]

Nick doesn’t even understand his own graphic 😂

[@therealbeedubbs35]

Coach Mangini is wrong. Show McDermott 100% toldJosh not to run, not to be aggressive play smart tech downs hand offs etc. there is at least two times in the first half where Josh could have ran 25 yards but instead he chucked it downfield into double coverage. That’s how he played the first half of the season last year trying not to get hurt then he played Very up and down until he started just playing his natural self, and then balled out

[@leonwood3071]

Chiefs won two Super bowls , how many have buffalo won?

[@jenniferaceste8823]

KC has won THREE SB'S, 2 Back2Back.

[@ForsakenWar]

​@@jenniferaceste8823KC has 4 Superbowl wins... I've got all 4 banners hanging in my office 👍😁

[@CD-xv9ft]

JOSH ALLEN MVP

[@davidcamillo4860]

Josh don't care about MVP. He wants a super bowl. Anything less is a failure.

[@anthonycaputi4309]

@@davidcamillo4860 I believe this is his mindset.

[@H0USE4100]

he obviously cares thats why hes making excuses in his presser and is stat padding every week. If he didnt care he'd rest cause they're already locked into the 2 seed

[@greggately5782]

@@H0USE4100stat padding every week?? lol okay you don’t watch the games…Lamar has done nothing but play garbage time merchant this season when the games over (winning or losing). Lamar has legit been stat padding. Hasn’t had any games that have shown him to be an mvp other than the bengals game. Not enough unfortunately. Josh beat KC and the Lions with huge mvp highlight plays.

[@marckusduverger9776]

I’m pretty sure most players care about MVPs, it’s not their primary target but for as good as Josh Allen & Joe Burrow are they don’t really have any major accolades yet. They are that good & know they are that good, that I’m sure they want accolades alongside their quest for a Super Bowl.

[@CoachBombay91]

@@H0USE4100they are not locked into the two seed. If they beat the Jets, they will be locked in.

[@teedashmusic]

The OPOTY award gonna be more respected than the MVP award soon

[@zackarykasprzak3073]

The one thing people underestimate about the chiefs is they don't show their hand. While josh is willing to take off in the regular season and run, mahomes waits until it's the playoffs. Look at last years super bowl. Not a chiefs fan by any stretch but theyre being judged in a manner as if they're doing everything theyre capable of and in reality the mahomes scramble is kept on the shelf and it's a big difference maker.

[@T.R.75]

lol they arent playing well. period.

[@Mrfantastic-hp2en]

😂😂 give that defense and kicker some credit it's not just mahomes you mahomes glazer are insane

[@jenniferaceste8823]

​@@T.R.75 So, the team with the best record in the NFL isn't "playing well"? 🤔

[@T.R.75]

@@jenniferaceste8823 struggling to win nearly every game this season is not playing well. its not that hard to understand.

[@jenniferaceste8823]

@T.R.75 14-1 & 💍💍💍

[@kimberlyt3275]

a game in which the bills still won and all of a sudden josh isn’t the favorite for the mvp lmao. james cook carried them against the patriots and he should. preserve allen for the playoffs

[@metal100k]

Nick loves to talk about the chiefs worst right tackle in football this year but forgets last year lamars offense had rookie receivers, practice squad running backs, no mandrews down the final stretch, etc. Thats part of why lamar got MVP last year. He wasnt just the last one standing, his team got injured too.

[@Grtgooglymoogly1]

The ravens had the #1 overall defense last year.

[@metal100k]

@Grtgooglymoogly1 yeah but when discussing injuries and downsides, any team not named the chiefs seems to be completely forgotten by nick, and some others. The ravens have guaranteed a playoff spot this year with one of the worst pass defenses. Context is important.

[@Fabiano.Bittencourt]

and this is why Allen should get it this year. Last year 4 to 5 QBs had better stats than Lamar and he got it. Using the same reasoning as last year, Allen should get it.

[@metal100k]

@Fabiano.Bittencourt last year no one had wildly better stats tho. And the ravens had the best record and top production last year too. If allen wasn't a literal roller coaster then I 100% agree with you he should get it.

[@JScott-r9c]

Well, let's all just cry excuses into our kool-aid...😂

[@kelseywalker2342]

Nick really trying to split hairs on how this is somehow different than the chiefs having to pull out a win in the final minutes over and over

[@Purple_Pessimist]

2023 MVP - Lamar Jackson 2023 Jackson Stats (16 games) 3678 passing yards, 24 TD, 7 INT, 102.7 RTG, 821 rushing yards, 5 TDs 2024 Jackson Stats (15 games) 3778 passing yards, 37 TD, 4 INT, 120.6 RTG, 765 rushing yards, 3 TDs 2023 Allen Stats (17 games) 4306 passing yards, 29 TD, 18 INT, 92.2 RTG, 524 rushing yards, 15 TDs 2024 Allen Stats (15 games) 3549 passing yards, 26 TD, 6 INT, 101.2 RTG, 514 rushing yards, 11 TDs Jackson is OUTPLAYING his own 2023 MVP season and Allen is playing about the same as 2023 Allen. Idk, how Jackson ISN’T the runaway MVP

[@stephanea5364]

Now, that's a post!

[@pistolpete7422]

You just proved that Lamar didn’t deserve it in 2023 😂

[@Kennypowerstruthbombs]

Take Lamar away from the ravens and they still have Derrick Henry and will win a lot of games. Take away Josh and they won’t get to 6 wins.

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

@@pistolpete7422 the problem you bills fans don’t see and Nick explained in this video is their was no competition last year the only challengers were Dak and purdy who blew it. That is not the case this year

[@pistolpete7422]

@@RavensTheNextDynasty the problem you Ravens fans don’t see is Lamar didn’t deserve either one of his MVPs based off stats. It’s a narrative and W/L record award. Now every one of you cries in comments about Allen’s INTs (barely more than the SB winner) and beg for stats to matter (2023 Allen had 15 more TD, more yards, and sat for multiple 4th quarters). Regular season MVP literally means nothing when your franchise QB can’t perform in the post season. It also means nothing if you have a HOF RB who’s also in the MVP race, a top 5 TE, a top 10 WR1, and a top 10 coaching staff. Kick rocks

[@Kidkinsey]

The reason the record thing dosen't make sense when comparing it to last year is the ravens had the best record in the nfl. The bills have like the 5th best record

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

Bills are 12-3 dude. Allen put the mvp away last week

[@topleftfromtime]

We want players to be honest, Allen was honest, now it’s “TMI” - these guys are insufferable lol

[@ricblic901]

Lotta assuming going on here, KC has to go to Pittsburg and play a team that needs to stay ahead of the Ravens, then face a Bronco's team that may have to win to be in.

[@davidthegoat8075]

The most Bills thing that could happen is they continues to run Josh allen to stat pad for the MVP and he ends up getting hurt before the playoffs💀Just play it safe these next 2 games

[@shanepleasants6280]

That’s basically what they did yesterday

[@huntermorris7421]

You guys think its a coincidence they all the sudden started giving Allen every goalline carry for those covered 1 yard TD's?

[@monsterdxswk6265]

@@huntermorris7421they’ve always done that. Watch games then talk, you’ll sound more educated

[@rajkaranvirk7525]

@@huntermorris7421Buddy we’ve been doing that all season are you blind?

[@6t8amx]

Allen has sat out the end of more games than anyone. Let’s say we add those stats to his overall numbers. Lamar always continues to pad in blowout games, wins or losses.

[@ryanjsnyder73]

The better stat for QB’s in this era is QBR, not passer rating. Josh is leading the league. It’s all on him. I’d put Burrow over Lamar for second at this point. Both Burrow and Lamar have great weapons.

[@joeyork1506]

If Josh Allen isn’t the mvp than I give up on the nfl

[@SayDatShiii...]

Gon head and give it up my boy..😂😂😂

[@williewoodard1289]

You acting like it’s not a close race lol Lamar might break a record crazy man

[@leoallen2016]

Bro Lamar, the same player that everyone thought couldn’t throw, was a running back, or should switch positions is bout to have 40 PASSING TDS AND ONE OF THE HIGHEST QBR AND HAVE MULTIPLE PERCENT PASSER RATING and almost 800 rushing yards like what if that’s not mvp

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​@@williewoodard1289Allen's been breaking NFL records all year 😂😂😂

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​@@leoallen2016#1, mvp is not a "passing award". #2 congrats to Lamar for hitting 40. This will be Allen's record 5th straight year of 40+ tds. No one else has more than 3, in NFL history. Put that in your purple pipe and smoke it.

[@jd229]

I do think it opens the door a little but the reality is lamar put up 19 in a loss to the eagles and allen put up 48 to beat the lions. Imo thats tough to overcome. Lamar prob has a shot tho even tho id love to say allen is a lock. I pretty much hate lamar for choking against mahomes last year but dude is balling this year no doubt.

[@isaacwhitley2179]

If Saquon doesn't get the MVP, coming from a Cowboys fan, then just make it a QB award, and make another for position players.

[@carking07]

That’s what offensive player of the year is unfortunately… cause why can’t a defensive player win MVP. It’s a QB award unfortunately with every other role given those awards

[@augustinedickson1003]

Yeah it’s called offensive player of the year

[@persistentlypathetic6820]

If MCaffrey didn't win last year then there's no way Saquon is winning this year.

[@sprawlz6466]

I 100% agree. I think there should be an award for every position group. QB, skill players, O-line, defensive primary, defensive secondary, kicker, punter, returner, special teams coverage.

[@adamwolsey8589]

OPOY

[@rafidenton4133]

Honestly we all killed them in the past for the upload schedule but now we need to praise them👏🏽

[@AngelNegron-n2o]

Numbers didn’t matter last year it shouldn’t matter this year

[@Dwat95]

Josh had way more turnovers than Lamar last year that was the difference. By your logic tho not having weapons never mattered for Lamar why it matter now ? They been throwing Henry in Lamar face all year they never did that to Allen when he had diggs

[@AngelNegron-n2o]

@ lmao who said I thought Allen was mvp last year lol dak purdy tyreek christan Goff all had better numbers

[@NigelMarquonye]

@@Dwat95 Yes way more turnovers but he was still better than Lamar last year even though Josh didn't deserve it either

[@7xfit94]

If it doesn't matter, then give it to Mahomes

[@Dwat95]

@@AngelNegron-n2o if you goin play dumb move around. Uk people was saying he had better stats last year that’s what the comment is tb

[@FGDIESEL1]

Mangini is the biggest lamar hater since day one if Lamar delivered 4 Super Bowl rings to his door he still would have something to say

[@Carlb328]

Josh has definitely earned the MVP beyond question. He's breaking records left and right.

[@JTitus-pb7zo]

@@Carlb328 you are delusional. Lamar has broken more records. Lamar has 41 TDs and 4 ints. His ints were literally ripped out the hands of his receivers. His passer rating is the greatest ever. If he loses MVP will be the only QB ever with 35+ tds and fewer than 5 ints to not win MVP. Oh yeah he also has 800+ yards rushing

[@asartheodore5245]

Yeah rite multiple no TD games &a supa e z schedule!!! SMMFH

[@JTitus-pb7zo]

@@robf5236 Calm down buddy. The bills vs teams with a winning records 3-3. Ravens vs teams with wining records 6-2. And Lamar destroyed Josh and the bills by the way😂😂😂. Allen just got carried by James cook vs the 3-11 patriots

[@JTitus-pb7zo]

@@robf5236 So what, he destroyed your hero and your team!!

[@RushNFL]

@@robf5236Niners are 6-9 who cares has Josh Allen Beaten 7 playoff teams this season? No lol have fun losing in the divisional with your arm punter

[@AATWT11]

Doesn’t matter how good or bad a team is… if they play in your division there’s a 80-90% chance the game will be very close.

[@thedeifiedjulius2310]

That “roller coaster” graphic is so disingenuous. EVERY QB’s passer rating fluctuates, that is how averages work…

[@NicCage4President]

Fluctuations aren't the same as massive highs and lows

[@buttstevens2758]

I was saying that the entire time. That's real dirty stats that doesn't really mean anything. Every single quarterbacks would look like this.

[@StudentOfLife365]

​@@NicCage4President exactly!!! And that's why it effects averages!

[@smartdog6298]

Allen had more TD's last year and yards he didn't even get nominated for the pro bowl the past 2 years. He has a combined TD total of 44 last year, Lamar had 29! This year he had a whole new supporting cast...12-3 he is definitely the MVP

[@S-RankGoon]

Talking about Bills lack of defense like Lamar doesn’t have the 2nd worst secondary in NFL

[@lukevacca1537]

Ravens have been the best defense via EPA since week 10....

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

@@lukevacca1537wow all it took was 66% of the season for them to figure it out. Cool

[@gtr0k]

​@@lukevacca1537they're 2nd worse in passing yards allowed on the whole season lol

[@Benjamin-fc9ww]

Josh, Lamar and Saquon are all deserving of the MVP

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

By the same standards that handed the mvp to Lamar in 2023 over the more deserving Allen, Allen is the 2024 MVP. They can't have it both ways.

[@soar011belize]

I hope Lamar gets the MVP so he can no show in the playoffs again

[@BareMohamed-hi6ld]

MVP is giving after playoffs

[@leoallen2016]

What has Josh done 😂

[@soar011belize]

@ i hate the Chiefs and the Chiefs fear Josh Allen CJ has said this they don’t fear Lamar in the least bit. I’d rather have the player the defending champs fear

[@leoallen2016]

@@soar011belize but then they beat them so clearly they don’t fear enough and that season when Patrick Mahomes was able to get a field goal in less than 15 seconds that didn’t show no fear

[@soar011belize]

@@leoallen2016 I’m talking about the Chief’s defense if you gave them the option on who to play they would say Lamar.

[@brigitte9999]

Every team in playing their Super Bowl when they play the Chiefs.

[@CS-wn2sz]

"open the door for Lamar" Lamar is in the lead

[@theweathrr]

You mean Joe Burrow

[@SneakySnake133]

Oh stats suddenly matter? Lamar won last year despite having atrocious stats, do you want to explain that or just remain inconsistent?

[@Relayer6a]

Actually Allen is still the betting favorite for MVP. Your bias is showing.

[@akhillyz4223]

hes literally not pal

[@derekheerman9575]

@@SneakySnake133then Patrick Mahomes should be the mvp if it’s based on record

[@Mysterio-Solar]

Brock Purdy Clearly deserved the MVP last Season , regardless of that Baltimore Game .

[@stephanea5364]

Lamar has a better season, Because he won last year (not that strong of a year for QB's), people want somebody else, but so far he desereves it more than Allen, especially since Allen didn't do much yesterday

[@rcud1]

Lamar won last year primarily because Ravens had best record. What goes around comes around huh.

[@stephanea5364]

@@rcud1 You don't know that

[@marckusduverger9776]

@stephanea5364: That & prime time game spotlight did help Lamar tbh, everyone saw the Ravens demolish the 49ers (who looked borderline unstoppable when healthy) around Christmas & that pretty much sealed the MVP for Lamar. Statistically Dak had a stronger case for MVP, with that said there is something to be said to watching the games & knowing Lamar’s impact. Christian McCaffrey also had an incredible year so they could have given it to him. Purdy was leading the race before that 5 INT game against the Ravens, so some put Purdy & McCaffrey against each other.

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​@@marckusduverger9776Allen led the NFL in touchdowns and yards and top-5 in every meaningful qb stat and analytic in 2023 and lost the mvp he earned to middling Lamar over 2 lousy wins and 1 higher seed. This year Allen has the 2 more wins and higher seed. Award to Allen or this whole league and the mvp is rigged bullshite

[@factshurt5362]

Only guy at that table that knows football (Former NFL Coach) says Josh is the clear favorite. Nobody cares what Nick or Lamar’s boyfriend thinks.

[@unionash1]

Allen ended the Lions and Chiefs win streaks - at the time the best team in the AFC and NFC, plus Lamar has DERRICK HENRY and the Bills have a better record than the Ravens - in what universe does Lamar win MVP?

[@H0USE4100]

Lamar beat him head to head 35-10,has better stats,has to carry his team more because his defense oline and kicker are terrible,and played a much harder schedule. Ravens play 11 games against teams with a winning record,Bills only play 5 and they're 2-3 in those 5 games. Lamar is clearly the MVP

[@kimberlylivingston5865]

@@H0USE4100 you should sit on this panel, you could talk right alongside Damonza

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​​@@H0USE4100he didn't beat Allen head to nothing 😂he beat the Bills decimated defense missing 6 players and 2 All-Pros on D. Lamar had Henry running for 200. Puh-lease, smh. Bills were also missing Shakir and Kincaid and Cooper wasn't there yet either. Coleman just a rookie. Who tf was Allen to throw it to? Meanwhile Lamar has 2 1st rd receivers and top 5 tight end. *crickets* Exactly. Allen took THAT team to 12-3. Allen is mvp.

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

House4100, ​your analysis: 🗑 You: 🤡

[@Haloman24]

“Whisper” what if burrow sneaks in to the playoffs…

[@TonyMontana-tp4mn]

Nothing, Lamar or Josh is winning it 1000%

[@S-RankGoon]

They need a lot to happen and I just don’t see it

[@H0USE4100]

the Bengals would beat the Bills on wildcard weekend if it happens but it wont because they need the Colts to lose to the Jags or Giants and thats not happening

[@lukevacca1537]

It's a two horse race. Kinda nuts though that the QB of a 16-1 team and three time super bowl champion won't even be a pro bowler though

[@CD-xv9ft]

Patriots have the most underrated defense in the league, clearly. When we draft Travis Hunter and sign Tee Higgins we will be in a great spot.

[@ly_bb]

Lamar has been the best player in the league this year. He's the MVP. There's no argument against it.

[@royhobbs5167]

SAQUAN BARKLEY. That’s the real MVP. Lamar isn’t the MVP until he’s not a regular season star.

[@tylermartin6041]

@@royhobbs5167saquon has won what exactly? You say reg season but we’ll, that’s what the award is for lol

[@thesedaze2381]

Besides the fact that everyone besides Ravens fans disagree with you.

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

There is a cogent argument against it for sure. By last year's logic 2024 mvp is Allen's. There's no excuses.

[@jeremymiller2340]

This crew knows jack about football

[@robbbietheim2096]

SAQUON RIPS OFF A BUCK FIFTY, WITHOUT HIS STARTING QB, AND GET''S TOTALLY OVERLOOKED YET AGAIN, IT JUST AIN"T FAIR MAN= SMH 😡🏈💯

[@seanh7356]

Hilarious you can tell this man was typing on a keyboard holding down shift instead of using caps lock

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

He had 7 carries for 110 and finished 29 carries for 150. Chill he played like trash after the 1st quarter

[@GoddeKnows]

Still waiting for Eric to say they played the easiest schedule of any team going to the playoffs.

[@BlueBarrier782]

Give it to Saquon. I'm so sick of it being a QB award.

[@sidekickht]

Naaa bc that's messed up for cmc last year!!

[@k_hack9441]

“Average criminal” describes Pats fan perfectly

[@YouDontKnowBall86]

The Goff erasure from these clowns is criminal. Hey Nick, how are your Bears doing?!

[@MannyTwice]

As a Rams fan and a person that's gonna always say Goff is GAMER.....media will always say the lions are a product of Campbell, unfortunately

[@jazzlyn1891]

Goff is MVP level. He’s top 2 in several stats but the only problem with that is that Lamar is usually top 1 lol

[@BigginsInAmerica]

@@jazzlyn1891 Lamar Jackson threw for 3000 yards and 20 TDs and was MVP last year because First Things First said stats don't matter, wins do.

[@timscharf3289]

@@BigginsInAmericaWtf are you going on about? There are no NFL MVP voters on the show.

[@patrickfintak2048]

The defense had one bad game this season against the Rams. Every other game they had secondary injuries. They are getting healthy for the playoffs and saving guys for a run.

[@vortexathletic]

I like how the Lamar people are mad when people say the MVP belongs to Allen; while the Allen people are mad when people say the MVP could be Lamar.

[@bjames692]

I see your point But my point is nobody has really run away with the award and when you compare the two records The mar is MVP, hands-down, and when the Lamar played Josh Josh got out played

[@samueljenson8473]

Of course they’re using graphics that only show passing stats - they spend the first few minutes talking about the importance of Josh’s rushing ability, and then critique his MVP case based solely on passing stats.

[@joshuden]

First (things first), amirite?

[@whoisd3v]

The Bills secondary has been banged up for the past 3 or 4 weeks.. Idk why anyone is shocked they've played the way they have.

[@john_jean]

The ravens secondary ain't that good either

[@whoisd3v]

@ 1000% agreed! Otherwise I don’t know think they’d lose half the games that they lost this season

[@Chetanp1445]

Allen’s mvp case getting more hurt by actually beating a bad team than Lamar’s when he actually lost to 2 bad teams is insane

[@mrsnfta]

But Lamar lost 5 times 😂😂😂

[@20ksr]

@@mrsnftaand he has 10 wins, and he has better stats, he has 2 more mvps, he has to save his team, lamar is 0-4 when his passer rating is under 114, allen has a winning record when his is under 114

[@TheRealMallard]

Lamar didn't play as bad in his losses and his defense his worse than the Bills by a decent margin. Lamar has more great games and less bad ones. He should be MVP favorite

[@jgmusic_]

​@TheRealMallard a sane football fan

[@OBPMA]

Defense lost those games to the Browns & Raiders. People are forgetting or didn't watch the games

[@archermueller411]

I feel like people are exaggerating the, way better stats comment, Lamar only has 3 more touchdowns and has 1 more turnover than Allen. I get the completion percentage, and passer rating are different, but Josh has a higher qbr.

[@asartheodore5245]

Josh has a supa weak schedule notice hw day conveniently leave dat out like day did wit tim Brady&I noticed day don't talk bout hw josh has multiple no TD games!!! SMMFH

[@draethereum]

Allen is 3-3 against winning teams. Lamar is 6-3 against winning teams. They act like Allen has a bunch of scrubs on his team, which is insane. If it wasn't for Cook, Allen would have lost to the patriots. Allen's schedule was easier too: - Allen's opponent's combine record thus far is 110-114 (not including the fact that they will be facing the Jets (4-11) and patriots (3-12) for their last 2 games, who's records are 3-12 and 4-11). - Lamar's opponents combine record: 122-101 (not including the fact that they are playing Texans (10-5) and Browns (3-12) for their last 2 games)

[@PMD41]

Josh beat 1st and 2nd best teams in the league. Essentially by himself. He doesn't have a Derrick Henry or a trio of wide receivers that you can scoff at

[@mitchw4374]

The fact the bills won 3 games in which Josh was bad throwing the ball and had a low passer rating, and Lamar in his 3 low passer rating games, the ravens lost all 3, just shows Lamars value to the team is more than Joshs

[@draethereum]

@PMD41 if you actually paid attention in the steelers game, notice how when henry breaks off a big run, TJ Watt or another defensive back almost tackles Lamar? It's because they are so afraid of him pulling the ball that they have no choice to go after him. That's why henry gets a lot of big runs. You wouldn't do that against any other QB

[@Galero15]

@@draethereumthis argument doesn’t work with Lamar. He’s won 2 MVPs without weapons, and he’s making the most of it now he has them, so what is there to hold against him? He can’t play defence, kick for Tucker or lower the penalties by himself

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​@@Galero15without weapons? 😂😂😂you're high! Lamar has had the better team around him than Allen all along. Yet Jackson always sucks in playoffs. 😂

[@aryangandhi894]

Anyone notice that the first time stamp says “Max Kellermen reacts to Josh Allens struggles”?!!

[@anthonycaputi4309]

Stats matter. Coach jumps in: Context matters too.

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

If stats mattered, Lamar wouldn't have been in the conversation last year. This award is dumb

[@isaiahhoward]

@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle If stats really mattered then stupid Bills fans would have disqualified Allen themselves with his 20+ interceptions and went with Lamar's superior stats and winning percentage against playoff teams. Lamar is doing better than Allen in a harder division and a harder schedule.

[@hughmungus7621]

@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandleLamar got the 1 seed and beat up on everyone last year bro. If you’re Trying to vouch for Allen he had almost 20 picks. If you wanna vouch for dak his numbers came from beating up tomato cans. It’s simple

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

​in 2023 reg season and playoffs COMBINED Allen had 51 tds and 22 total turnovers. Including 7 tds 0 turnovers in playoffs. Lamar can't hold Allen's jockstrap.

[@GyalisAndino]

​@@BillsMafiaExperience Adding playoff TDs for a regular season award is meaningless and stat padding. He had 44 TDs and 22 TOs. No one should win MVP with more than 1 TO per game. His efficiency was terrible last year, which is why he wasn't even in the conversation. He has a much better case for MVP this year. Unfortunately for him, Lamar is having a similar level performance as well.

[@kaza_family5950]

Lamar has as many MVPs as playoff wins btw. Last year ravens fans said stats dont matter and record matters now they move the goal post. Lamar wasnt great last year so lets cut it out. Ive never seen a fanbase so insecure. Its absolutely crazy. Lets also not forget allen was suppose to take a huge step back and lost weapons while lamar gained weapons

[@trello413]

@@kaza_family5950 Lamar and the ravens beat 12 teams with winning records which helped him win! Meanwhile he was sitting on the bench in the 4th quarter in 6 of them so yes his numbers were off lol

[@keymold4405]

Bro said gained weapons lmfao. So after 7 years the ravens finally go out and give Lamar a big name offensive player (a 30 year old rb) but yall had a top ten receiver and wasted his prime. 35-10 💤

[@argentrisbarber3967]

This JOSH Allen narrative is because Lamar and Josh came out in the same draft. Everyone said Josh was a FUTURE star and Lamar should change position. Crazy how Lamar has 2 MVPs because Ravens had BEST RECORD IN NFL. Bills won't get #1 Seed so record means nothing. If Ravens get #3 Seed, Lamar will be MVP.

[@ForsakenWar]

Lamar didn't deserve it last season... his numbers were mid at best. He won it because of ther Ravens historically good defense.

[@RavensTheNextDynasty]

@@ForsakenWarhe won’t last year because everyone else wasn’t good enough. This season that isn’t the case. If ravens win division Lamar should win mvp. If ravens get 5 seed Josh should get mvp

[@BillsMafiaExperience]

No that is not what they said, they said Allen was overdrafted and would be a huge bust. They were and you are, wrong.

[@MyPotnaB]

So basically Justin Tucker is literally the only reason anyone could argue Josh over Lamar 😂

[@shun8733]

Lamar been mvp

[@B.Piercesports]

5 loses with no2 rb in league

[@zclan4130]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@larry2281]

Maybe if it was 2019 again.

[@CS-wn2sz]

@@B.Piercesports Allen just got carried by James cook against a terrible team

[@CyborgAkuma20022]

Facts