Fisker Ocean - 9-100% CCS1 350 kW Test

[@TheyCallMeJayCarter]

Thank you very much!! This is by far the best Fisker Ocean charging video I have seen thus far. Can't wait to get my Ocean this summer!

[@henrylevy3597]

Its great to see how the little stuff with owning an EV works! Keep this up.

[@StormyDog]

You mean owning a non Tesla. Tesla charging is basically plug and play and flawless. Besides the hassle, you can't just plug and then go shop or eat or walk the dog with unreliable CCS1 charging. CCS1 is thankfully being phased out so life isn't going to get better for any vehicle that's not NACS.

[@MTNRanger]

@@StormyDogAs an owner of both a CCS1 EV and Tesla, I agree. There will be adapters for NACS soon enough. I'm scheduled to beta test one. Also, I'm going to test the Ocean on a V3 magic dock soon.

[@charlesbecker5829]

Mach E owner going to a Fisker Extreme here. The Telsa Standard cannot come soon enouth. We have used Tesla chargers with an adapter and NEVER had any issues. All the other ones are just Horse poop with the Worst offender being Electrify America. Errors, cant charge, stops charging randomly etc. There is a reason everyone has a tesla (too many Tesla's in our area so wanted something deferent)

[@MTNRanger]

As a Tesla owner I agree, the Supercharger network is impressive and reliable. I have had good and bad experiences with both EA and EVgo.

[@CFG39]

Did you switch to the Ocean? I’m hoping you didn’t just for your own sake with the bankruptcy and implosion of the company.

[@charlesbecker5829]

@@CFG39 That i did not, canceled it about a week before arrival. Sporting a i4 M50 now thank jeebus.

[@CFG39]

@@charlesbecker5829 you made a wise decision. It truly is one of the worst vehicles ever produced, not just for problems with the car, but also because of the incompetence of Henrik and Geeta Fisker. They rushed to get it to market and as such it was a disaster. I went between an i4 M50, Polestar 2 Performance, and an EV6 GT. I had a G26 M440i GC and missed having an EV (I sold my Model 3P to get the BMW). My car also got hit in a t-bone to the front which caused over $20K of damage. After that I wanted to get rid of it. I saw deals on the EV6 GT were insane. I got almost $15K off MSRP, and the dealer paid me almost what I paid for the BMW on trade even with the accident. I was blown away by how fast the EV6 GT was, how fast it charges (10-80% in 18 mins, 5-90% in about 24 minutes), and I liked the ease of getting in and out of the car and the huge amount of rear legroom. For $50K it was hard to beat. The 206 mile EPA range turned out to be very conservative, even going 80mph. I replaced the OE 21” wheels with a set of light 19” wheels and holy crap, it made it so efficient. I get 4.2-4.8mi/kWh around town and on rural highways going 45-60mph. About 3.4mi/kWh going 75MPH. It’s a great road trip vehicle because it’s quiet, comfy, and the charging performance can’t be beat by almost anything besides a Taycan. At the time an equivalent i4 M50 I was looking at with DAP, laser headlights, H/K audio, etc. was going to be almost $75K. I couldn’t justify the extra $25K and I really didn’t want to replace one G26 with another. The Polestar didn’t blow me away and pricing was way too high for what that car is. We bought an i7 xDrive60 last year, too, and while I love how comfy it is and that it returns 340-350 miles of interstate range, the slow charging bugs me. It should be able to charge at 250kW minimum IMO, and do 10-80% in about 25 mins. I wish BMW had made these EVs 800V. One thing I didn’t love about the M50 was how it would light up the front tires when you accelerate hard from a stop or in curves you get torque steering like a FWD car. Do you notice that too? It felt very un-BMW like. I did love the amazing ride quality, wasn’t sold on iD8 (and our own i7 iD8.5 is still buggy and less user friendly than old iD7). I do wish BMW included the Active M rear differential like they do on the M440i/340i and M2/3/4. The Kia has an active rear diff and you really feel it rotate the back end in corners and apportion torque left and right as needed to prevent slip. The i7 should also have one especially at its $141K MSRP. Never thought I’d go from a BMW to a Kia, but it’s been a great car the last year. 35K miles and problem free. There’s a rumor that there will be a Kia EV8 that’s like an EV version of the Stinger but with supposedly a huge battery pack with as much as 114kWh of capacity to deliver >450 miles of range. If they do come out with that it will absolutely be my next car. If not, the Neue Klasse 3-series or upcoming MB CLA EV could be contenders as they’ll both be 800V and should offer huge jumps in range and charging performance vs. the current 400V models.

[@eganeles]

Thank you! Very informative! Looking forward for more!

[@markdthacker]

Great video! Shows a very reliable, fast, predictable charging curve for the Fisker Ocean on DC Fast Charging. Thanks for taking the time to complete this video.

[@dg903]

awesome. thank you for the info on the fisker.

[@MBmacs]

Thanks!

[@MTNRanger]

Thanks so much, I appreciate that!

[@StormyDog]

Great video, thanks! NACS is the answer to charging problems.

[@berny_electric_22]

CCS-Plug from Huber+Suhner! Very cool!

[@AntonPavlas]

First thanks for the video! I always think back to how it must have been in the beginning for ICE cars and what if they recorded all the issues they had getting gas.

[@MTNRanger]

Yes, getting gas at pharmacies and hardware stores must have been fun. Interesting reading on the history of this: familytreemagazine.com/history/history-of-gas-stations 90% of my charging is done in my garage.

[@chealay7251]

Thanks for sharing. I am enjoyed watching

[@rmorales1029]

Great test!

[@MTNRanger]

Thanks, I really wanted to get down to 0% to start, but I didn't have another 30 minutes to spend driving to get it down. You can probably guess that the rate will be around 175-176 kW for the 0-9% section.

[@rmorales1029]

Now maybe you can see how close to 360 miles you get. You have 22” and I have 20” wheels so it would be great to see what the 22’s actually get and I know there are a lot of variables but still a fun test.

[@CSAFMedia]

How many miles did you travel to get down to 9%?

[@MTNRanger]

It was about 28 miles from my house. The SOC was around 20% when I left the house.

[@StormyDog]

Good information, thanks. Charging speed is decent but the errors are troublesome. Is Fisker going to be changing to NACS (Tesla) charging? If so that should solve most of the problems.

[@MTNRanger]

The errors were from the charger's water? cooled cables, not the car itself. Even using NACS plug, this would be an issue with this particular charger. In my almost six years of supercharging, Tesla sites are very reliable. I can't wait to test a NACS->CCS1 adapter when they become available. I have a pre-production one going to be sent to me, but I'm not sure if the Tesla network will be working with it yet. Stay tuned.

[@StormyDog]

@@MTNRanger I believe the NACS/Tesla plug will be connected to a NACS/Tesla cable, so no cooling problems. I'm referring above to a true NACS connection, not an adapter. The adapter is a stopgap measure. Is Fisker moving to native NACS? Hopefully. If not I'm afraid they'll be orphaned.

[@MTNRanger]

@@StormyDogJust like the other manufacturers, Fisker will have a native NACS port in 2025. It was in the announcement. I'm referring to when EA/EVgo and other networks support NACS, they will be using the same cables as the current CCS plugs.

[@Visualhead_Spacer]

i like the design and uniqueness of fisker but I still love the much quicker charging of my EV6 where I get peak 236kwh

[@MTNRanger]

Yes, getting 236 kW on an 800 V system is great. Supposedly, with updates the plan is to get to 200 kW, which is about the max for CCS 400 V charging.

[@davidmerwin7763]

Thanks, good info. Seems like the first charger had a cooling problem.

[@MTNRanger]

Yes, the cables were very hot and not receiving the coolant. I'm guessing they have one pump that cools both cables. It charges about 4 minutes on each before it gets too hot and cuts it off. Funny enough, the second charger was the one with a Plugshare problem comment recently. I did contact EVgo and they are going to repair it (or at least say they are).

[@davidmerwin7763]

@@MTNRanger That makes sense. We bought a Leaf one year ago and had issues with EvGo chargers in the beginning, but over the last six months they seem to work well. We are using CHAdeMO chargers.

[@cjzito]

Great, informative video.! Questions: 1) the total KWh of energy added doesn't make sense. If the total nominal KWh for the battery from 0 to 100% is 106 kWh, then 91% of that would be 96.5 kWh. Why does the Ocean say only 75 kWh of energy was added? 2) curious about all the heat above the left front wheel well. LMK if you ever find out the definitive reason. It would make sense if that was cooling exhaust air from the whole battery. The charging equipment itself under the hood shouldn't be putting off much heat, since there is no AC-to-DC conversion being done inside the car. 3) what was your total cost? Is it normal for the display not to show the cost? Was the price per kWh more for the DCFS (as opposed to the price for Level 2)? What EVGO plan are you on?

[@madalincosma2531]

it's 75kWh because this is the 3rd session on the 2nd charger from 30/31% to 100%. watch the video again to get the extra details

[@MTNRanger]

1) SInce I had to start three times, it makes it harder to see the cumulative numbers for charging. Hopefully next time I get a 0-100% in one shot. So if you add all three charging sessions 12.1 + 12.8 + 74.5, you get a total of 99.3 kWh. Also, there is efficiency losses when charging, so it's a little higher than the expected 96.5 kWh (91% of 106 kWh).

[@MTNRanger]

3) I should have included the total cost! $4.41 + $4.67 + $28.21 = $37.29 There is a $0.99 session fee plus $0.34/kWh + tax. The rate changes depending on the time of day - it's $0.45/kWh in the afternoon. I don't have an EVgo or EA membership or subscription. I will be getting a free $1000 Chargepoint card soon that should work with EVgo sites.

[@MTNRanger]

2) I haven't heard anyone else talk about the heat while charging. There is still an efficiency loss of 2.8 kWh over the charging process that will result in heat. I'll let you know if I find anything.

[@cjzito]

Sounds about right. Since your charge took about 1 hour, then the average power loss was about 2.8 kW, a good amount of heat. Average hair dryer uses 1.5 - 2.0 kW.@@MTNRanger

[@coolpix222]

I wish the Fisker charged a little faster. I am still thinking about getting the Ultra for my son. I am concerned about the software. I am waiting to see if they can resolve all of the issues before making the move. I got two sales guys calling me every few days. I told them if my Sport is available that I would take it. But, they keep telling me that they don't know when production will continue. I don’t know if they are honest or if they are trying hard to get me in an ultra. I don’t really want to spend that much for my son. I did see one on the road and it looked great. It was shorter and wider than I imagined. It doesn't seem much taller than my EV6 GT Line. The big wheels made a positive difference in the look. Without the wheels, I don’t think it looks nearly as good.

[@MTNRanger]

If you want the Sport, stick to it. Remember, Sport is a smaller LFP battery pack and might charger slower than the Ultra/Extreme. If you need the software to be solid, that may be six months out. Have you set up your choices in the online configurator? The Ocean is very similar (1" longer) to the Tesla Model Y. The Ocean is 188"L x 77"W x 64'H vs EV6 at 185"L x 74"W x 61"H.

[@TheJ1s]

Very informative, wish you had one straight charge instead of having to do it three times because of errors.

[@MTNRanger]

I totally agree. I even checked the stations on Plugshare.com before I started and Kirby was the one with a problem. Oh well.

[@HeriHaraldson]

Hi. What type of battery do your FOO have? LFP or NMC? Nmc is goot to charge between 10 to 80 %, and LFP have no problem to go up to 100 %

[@MTNRanger]

The Ultra/Extreme/One have NMC battery packs. 100% is fine for charging before a trip where you use it right way. It's not good for any NMC pack to sit at or near 100%.

[@inferno10]

Have you tried setting up Autocharge+ on EVgo with your Ocean?

[@MTNRanger]

Yes, I did add it. Next time it should be automatic without using the app.

[@christianpetite4306]

How much did the charge cost you (all three attempts together)? Thanks.

[@MTNRanger]

$4.41 (12.1 kWh) + $4.67 (12.8 kWh) + $28.21 (74.5 kWh) = $37.29 (99.3 kWh). There is a $0.99 session fee plus $0.34/kWh + tax. You can get a session fee refunded for a failed charging. The rate changes depending on the time of day - it's $0.45/kWh in the afternoon. I don't have an EVgo or EA membership or subscription.

[@guymatthew1756]

Hi Matt, interesting test. I am not getting these numbers when charging. Did you precondition the battery? Not sure how this works yet with the FOO? thanks for your great videos!

[@MTNRanger]

No pre-conditioning the battery pack. I drove about 28 miles from my house, which probably warmed it up enough. The car and overnight temps were fairly warm at 60-62 F for my local area. I was charging at just before 5am. Pre-conditioning will be coming with a future OTA update.

[@KQMcKinnon]

Best deal i have found this far is called "Graviti" here in Houston

[@MTNRanger]

Every once in a while I get free charging at EA when their credit card network is down. EA and EVgo are the two major networks in my metro area.

[@redstaper2414]

Have you received your FOO credit at EVgo yet?

[@MTNRanger]

I'm waiting for the ChargePoint $1000 card to arrive. I'm guessing it will be a card. I don't know anyone that has received it yet. If I can get it transferred to my ChargePoint Account, I will be able to use it at any of the affiliated stations (except for EA).

[@redstaper2414]

Thanks for the clarification.@@MTNRanger

[@rmorales1029]

Any updates on the $1000 Chargepoint card? I haven’t seen anything and we are suppose to have access for the 2024 calendar year.

[@redstaper2414]

I myself have not received any benefits. In addition I never got my indoor car cover nor the emergency kit.@@rmorales1029

[@nosoupforyou425]

DC Charge speed is driver in my next electric if I stay in an EV. Ocean drivers.... how is the ride quality and comfort ? Compare it to something ? I only max out at 100kw. I am in an i-pace with air suspension and love the handling and ride comfort and is my main hold off from fisker

[@MTNRanger]

I think the ride quality is excellent and comfort is excellent. It's as close as you can get to air suspension with regular springs. It's much smoother and comfortable than my Tesla. It's very similar to my 2020 Volvo XC60 Inscription. I'm guessing if I had the 20" wheels, possibly it could be even better. I'm getting after market 20" wheels with larger tires in the Spring to test.

[@nosoupforyou425]

@MTNRanger really appreciate the insight. Have had a reservation and beginning to come close for actual order, and my area has no ride and drives, so this really helps.

[@MTNRanger]

@@nosoupforyou425 They started a R&D for the East Coast. Other areas are probably next.

[@o0Dan0o]

FIRST!!!!!! Right now I'm charging my ocean using a level 1, and holding it to 8A so that I don't overload anything. About 1mph charge rate, which is a little painful, but I don't drive very much. Going to test 12A, which basically doubles the effective charge rate, but want to do that at a time when I can monitor everything.

[@MTNRanger]

With Level 1, make sure the EVSE is the only thing that is on this circuit. Sometimes multiple outlets may be on the same circuit and that can greatly reduce you charging speed.

[@StormyDog]

If you have access to any kind of 240v it will make a huge difference. I charge my Model Y at 24A at home and it yields 23mph range increase. When visiting my brothers farm I use a long extension cord on a 120v circuit and get 4mph at 12A. If something else is on the same circuit it sometimes drops to 9A and 3mph. My neighbor gets 5mph with his Model 3 at 12A. Not sure why the large level 1 charging difference with the Ocean other than the larger battery in the Fisker.

[@MTNRanger]

@@StormyDog Yes, I agree. Even a NEMA 14-30 with 24 A can make a huge difference when charging. In fact, that's what I use in my garage most of the time. I have both a NEMA 14-50 and 14-30. Back to the question, he is only getting 1 mph since he is only using 8 amps, but really it should be getting at least 2. At 12 amps, he should be getting closer to 3 to 3.5. Yes, the 106 kWh battery pack makes a difference. I will be covering home charging, and I will definitely test the 120V level one charge rates.

[@o0Dan0o]

@@MTNRanger Right, charging MPH depends on the charge rate and the vehicle efficiency. Since the Y is a bit more efficient, it's MPH charge rate will be slightly higher for the same power input. For me, at 8A, I'm only getting ~350W into the car (flipping between 0.3 & 0.4KW on the display). Not sure why it's so low, as it should be more like 800-900W. Part of this is that the car is showing the power going into the battery, so any power being used by the car will subtract from the overall power coming from the wall. But that accounts for maybe 90-250W. Not sure why I'm short 300W+. It could be, as you said, that other items on that circuit are limiting the overall power I can draw. I'm waiting on the Tesla bi-directional charger to get a level 2 installed.

[@StormyDog]

@@o0Dan0o The Tesla "Universal Wall Connector" supports bidirectional charging but at present the bidirectional feature works only with the Cybertruck. If connected to a Tesla Powerwall it fully supports V2H and V2G (V2G where allowed by your power company). With a Powerwall no other gateway is needed. There's also a separate gateway available for those not choosing to have a Powerwall.

[@brendawhite3482]

How much did it cost?

[@MTNRanger]

$4.41 + $4.67 + $28.21 = $37.29 There is a $0.99 session fee plus $0.34/kWh + tax. The rate changes depending on the time of day - it's $0.45/kWh in the afternoon.

[@moth450]

Hpw much did this charge cost you?

[@MTNRanger]

$4.41 + $4.67 + $28.21 = $37.29 There is a $0.99 session fee plus $0.34/kWh + tax. The rate changes depending on the time of day - it's $0.45/kWh in the afternoon.

[@bloodycreepy]

Charges like a beast

[@MTNRanger]

I'm hoping it gets even better!

[@CupidinColorado]

Connecting to Tesla’s Supercharging system could not come sooner…😵‍💫

[@flashnmb1]

Keep fast charging; it will brick itself sooner!

[@MTNRanger]

Has there been an example of this happening? I have fast charged my Tesla for almost 6 years and have no issues.

[@CupidinColorado]

Ev go 👉💩

[@tonyn3227]

I like the ocean, but would never consider buying one or any other ev besides tesla, until tgey all come with nacs built in, period..

[@MTNRanger]

I'm fine with using an adapter. I already do that with my Model 3 when I use a CCS1 station. The transition will take many years. Fisker like many other companies that are going NACS will incorporate the port in 2025. 90% of the time, I use my home charging.

[@MrSingh1150]

35 mins to charge your car. Wow not worth it at all