Let's Solve ONLY MURDERS IN THE BUILDING season 4 episode 2 'Gates of Heaven' Recap Review Theory

[@DoublePMedia]

What do you think of all these theories? Comment below!

[@kitkatz3859]

You know double p, I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship ♥️ thanks for the shoutout and amazing video as always!!

[@lukacunningham342]

My favourite line from this episode was when Oliver said: “It was at this moment that we realized Charles had begun his descent into madness!” 😂

[@DoublePMedia]

That's good --- the 'Sazz Hands' line, I was dying!

[@DelveInn]

Why did the luminol NOT show her being dragged? It only showed the moment she died and not the aftermath.

[@meghanallen9978]

That's what I said too! It's weird right??

[@gloriamarie1950]

Looks like they sprayed where the message happened to be, & hadn't gone further~ yet. The dog picked up the scent all along the path to the incinerator. The killer must've wiped any blood after putting the body in the incinerator. Could've wrapped her in a tarp & dragged her.The writer's never explained why there was no blood trail for Bunny, so they might just let that question go with Sazz, too.

[@DoublePMedia]

Good question!

[@xoxojadieeet]

Omg good question!!!

[@JayeKisses]

Right it’s like she either got up & walked away or was picked up

[@RagtagProductions]

Convinced that it's Scott Bakula. The theme of this season appears to be "doubles," and Bakula doubles Sazz and has now replaced Charles as Joy's boyfriend. With Sazz writing "tap in," one has to assume that she taps in Bakula on set. BAKULA!

[@DoublePMedia]

Watch your back, Bakula!

[@GenXMind67]

@@DoublePMedia My initial thoughts was that it was Count Bakula as well...but probably not. I'm still leaning toward someone who was part of the OG Brazzos or possibly their son or daughter who is seeking revenge. What is throwing me off a bit is the studio apartment (something tells me will become Mabel's new home). The 'Sauce' Family, and One-Eye seem to know more than what they are saying. My question is this: They showed us Christmas Sweater guy BUT no interaction with him...only with the other two West neighbors...why, I wonder. Hmmm...

[@awall6910]

I think it’s either Scott Bakula or Molly Shannon (Bev Mellon). I am leaning more toward Shannon’s character because she is not playing herself. I just think it’s slightly more unlikely they’d make Scott Bakula the killer because he is using his own name. (I lean away from Levy, Galifinakis, and Longoria for the same reasons. But out of all the people playing a version of themselves Bakula is the most likely. Look how he played himself in Always Sunny 😂.) Shannon is playing a character rather than a version of herself, and she’s good at swinging to unhinged, so I can definitely see them making her the murderer. I know people have discounted her but I also wondered about Meryl Streep’s character, I could maybe see them having her try to murder Charles because she wants Oliver to move out West and thinks Charles is keeping him in the East. I dunno, it could be so many people 😂. (Like if you start thinking too hard about Howard you start thinking he’s the mastermind of *everything* 🤣.)

[@DoublePMedia]

@@awall6910 Bev Mellon was our preseason pick

[@awall6910]

@@DoublePMediaoh cool, I didn’t see your preseason episode. Have watched episode about 4/1 and then 4/2 today. I’ll look for that one too. Will be interesting to see who it is in the end!

[@jmarquiso]

There's a policy in NYC that a portion of new construction needs to be "affordable" and usually this leads to separations like this. Like if you want to go through the front-facijg fancy lobby, you need a membership that comes with expensive fees, but to get to the "affordable" range, there's a separate entrance and no access to building amenities (pool, gym, etc). So the westies separated from easties - and rent control - made perfect sense.

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you for this info!

[@jmarquiso]

@DoublePMedia Of course research what you can - this is all second/third-hand knowledge from people I know in the Real Estate market up there. I've never been able to afford to own in NYC :)

[@jmarquiso]

(though I did have friends that were seven people renting a three bedroom from the BUILDING USED AS THE EXTERIOR FOR THE ARCONIA. And so I feel like I've been there :)

[@KK-zc8eo]

How is that building still so expensive with all the murdering there. At this point it should sell for a slice of pizza not the whole pie. Make it make sense.

[@jaclynhilliard8877]

@@KK-zc8eo now it will be again famous w movie!

[@GetMiked]

Loved this episode and the back and forth between Charles and ghost Sazz. The scene in the bedroom before the luminol made me tear up! Also Jan's appearance really shocked me, wasn't expecting it at all. The secret passageways is something that completely disappeared after season 2, this is the first time we've seen one in the ceiling though. Howard being a series regular made sense in season 3 when he was Oliver's assistant so I'd chalk it continuing down to that and that they consider him the primary Arconia resident to use over the others. I love Lester and Uma so I do hope we get to see plenty of them this season still. Also I really don't think the handwriting is any deeper than props just using similar styles. The HAM radio being in the Dudenoff apartment is a massive shoutout to something Sazz once said about how she picked up HAM radio chatter about someone wanting Charles dead. My theory is that Sazz connected with the person on the other end and formed some kind of friendship or relationship. I think the West Arconions use that apartment because they've cracked the door code, perhaps with Sazz's help? I think Alfonso keeps the pig in that apartment for his ham and didn't order it from Portugal. Sazz's note 'long game' I think refers to the Oh Hell card game, so I'm sure Sazz met the group and played with them, probably scoping out more of the Charles chatter. It may be revealed one of the West Arconiacs was responsible but I don't think they will be. In fact, maybe they're a team Sazz put together to figure out the plot, like the trio have their Arconiac fans.

[@DoublePMedia]

Jan's appearance SHOCKED me - not that I didn't think she'd be in this season, but her being in Charles' apartment. WOW. Sazz mentioned listening to the ham radio in season 3, episode 5. Like your theory about Sazz's having a partner in the Arconia!

[@GetMiked]

Also! Can we talk about how much Oliver, Mabel, and Charles have levelled up their investigations since even S3? They did fantastic detective work and arguable more than they'd done in the entirety of seasons 1 and 2! It was very smart of Mabel and Oliver to suggest checking out the west tower before cops are crawling over the Arconia and they've found so many clues already, also the Luminol was a great shout. If you compare how they talked their way into the westie's apartments they've really nailed the art of doing it naturally, instead of using Turkeys and stuff. Can't wait to see how they continue

[@CatHasOddSocks]

I haven't trusted the handwriting in this show since season 2 - Lucy's Valentine's card to Charles exactly matched some of the threatening letters they received and it ended up being nothing!

[@jaykaye594]

Cool shout out to Kitkatz, her sting theory is still one of my favourite for any TV show. Respect.

[@DoublePMedia]

the kitkatz videos are always fun!

[@meghanallen9978]

Kitkatz is my favorite OMITB youtuber! The way I squealed out when he said her name scared my cat right off the bed 😂😂

[@kitkatz3859]

@@meghanallen9978 guys I'm literally crying at work rn you don't even know 😭

[@thomasrafferty7184]

Is Charle's apartment bugged? That text from "Sazz" in episode 1 came at a very opportune time.

[@DoublePMedia]

Love that thought!

[@cherin5892]

@@DoublePMedia Jan has Saz's phone. She's hiding in Charles apartment and tunnels. She's the spy for some reason

[@sulfa5506]

You were right!

[@ana-ex7ik]

I believe they just have one or two crew workers with pretty and clear handwriting and just have them write all the letters in the show. There is no way Howard is the kller and then just brings his cadaver dog on what he knows as a kller that is a crime scene.

[@superjohngoldsmith8406]

i still have NO IDEA who the target was: Charles or Sazz

[@DoublePMedia]

Why not both! :)

[@fishypaw]

If Sazz is still alive, it might lead to a funny scene ... when she reveals herself to Charles, and he still thinks he is speaking to her Ghost.

[@DoublePMedia]

I can see it happening (if she's still alive)

[@Jorizzle22]

I love that!

[@fishypaw]

@@DoublePMedia I rewatched the first episode, of series four, the other day. I noticed something, that led me to watch Sazz getting shot in slow motion. I then noticed several other things that all point to Sazz being shot from behind. I am now 100% sure that the shot that broke the window came from inside Charles's apartment, from someone standing behind Sazz. Also, the amount of detail, and clues that they gave away during that short scene, convinced me, unfortunately, that Sazz is actually dead, and won't be coming back. :( If you are interested in the clues that led me to that conclusion, ask, and I shall provide. I tried to post on the Reddit sub, and they removed my post for a "spoiler" violation, which I don't quite understand.

[@DoublePMedia]

@@fishypaw Oh, I love the idea that Sazz was shot in the back, the bullet went thru her, then out the window. Let's hear it!

[@fishypaw]

@@DoublePMedia I was watching the episode with subtitles on, and as she got shot, it said "gun shot, glass breaks" in that order. So I watched it again in slow motion, and you can just hear that the bang is just a split second before the glass breaks, which means that the shooter was close, and the volume of the bang is quite loud, which wouldn't be the case if it was fired from the westie's apartments. Also, in the slow motion I noticed there is a plume of blood that shoots out from Sazz's chest, showing that she was shot from behind and that the bullet travelled through her. The moment she is shot, she immediately starts to turn around and look back towards the door, and then falls on the floor, on her back. The blood splatters on the cabinet would only be there if she was shot from behind, considering where she was standing when the bullet hit her. Then, later on when Oliver, Charles and Mabel, look at the bullet hole in the window, I'm pretty sure the hole shows a bullet travelling outwards, and not into the apartment. The hole looks like the cross-section of a funnel shape, with the widest bit being on the outside of the glass. This is what would be expected of a bullet being shot from inside. The fact that the show went into such detail, regarding this, convinces me that she was shot from someone behind her, inside Charles' apartment, and that, unfortunately, it means she is really dead.

[@zainan94]

Howard keeps popping up at very convenient moments, he knows more than he lets on for sure

[@DoublePMedia]

Howard Morris, Mr. Perfect Timing

[@kimwaltz6114]

@@DoublePMedia And he has ideas for podcasts, mayby he is planning on taking over their podcast.

[@connerwilson9574]

I thought the same thing, only have seen the first two episodes, but in episode 1, he let himself into the apartment??

[@TheChrisHype]

The writing on Charles’ wall is the beginning of the poem “The Love Song” by J. Alfred Prufrock. “Let us go then, you and I, When the evening is spread out against the sky Like a patient etherized upon a table; Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets, The muttering retreats Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells: Streets that follow like a tedious argument Of insidious intent To lead you to an overwhelming question” It’s basically a poem about growing old, and the exhaustion, frustration, humiliation, and sense of pending doom that comes with age. Pretty much what our favorite turtle, Charles, seems to be going through.

[@DoublePMedia]

Let Charles eat a peach, ONE TIME! 😀

[@Jorizzle22]

Great catch!

[@GarvitDhingra-p2r]

i believe that that the murder could've been committed by 2 people, as the season theme seems to be doubles. Also that would make it easier to explain the cleanup, the shot, and the incineration ALL THAT FAST.

[@DoublePMedia]

smart thought!

[@kimwaltz6114]

We had the double in the 3rd season - Mother and Son

[@kimwaltz6114]

The bullet came from outside the apartment; however, if Sazz was faking it, the bullet hole could have been put there at any time, and Charles would not have noticed anything except the whistling sound.

[@angelacox-martin2789]

I LOVE this over-analysing, watching from the UK!

[@DoublePMedia]

Good day. I'm upset that I have to work my job and I'm not at the Agatha Christie Festival happening right now!

[@angelacox-martin2789]

@@DoublePMedia Ooooh I have never heard of this...I need to go one year. My husband and I have been theorising...we think Sazz knew she had a terminal illness so took the hit for Charles because she saw a film script that killed off Charles and knew he was a target in real life (possibly by the tv exec?) so although the killer is still on the loose, she essentially bought Charles some time by exposing the situation!

[@GayleenFroese]

I learned Oh Hell, under a different name, sitting on my mom's lap as a very young child and it's the first card game I ever played myself. If I were using the game as metaphor in a story (not saying they are, but also not saying they aren't), I'd be thinking about these things: 1. Unlike games in which you are trying to take as many or few tricks as possible each hand, this game demands that you bid a number of tricks that you think you will take, then take exactly that number. This means sometimes you are playing to lose. Say you bid two tricks, you've already taken two, and you don't want more. Now you play your cards when they have the least power, like when someone else has played a trump. You've got what you came for and now you're trying to slip away without taking on anything more. 2. The game forces at least one person to fail at every hand. Say there are five tricks to be taken in a certain hand, and four players. I look at my hand, think I'll take four, and bid that. The next two players both "pass" (say they will take zero tricks). The dealer happens to have the ace of trump and the rest of their hand is hot garbage, which means they know for sure they will unavoidably take one trick with that ace of trump. No way around it. They doubt they'll take any more tricks with their other cards, so they'd love to bid one. But they can't! There's a rule that the total number of tricks bid on each hand is not equal to the total number of tricks available to be won. The dealer's bid of one, plus my four, would create a total bid of five, which is the number of tricks available, so the dealer CANNOT bid one. There is no everybody wins situation. 3. You have a different number of cards in your hand during every round. First round, every player gets one card and there's one trick to be taken. Second round, two cards. Usually goes up to seven and back down to one. Sometimes the one card rounds are played with everyone putting their cards on their foreheads, so you are bidding based on what everyone else has and can't see your own card. 4. It is possible to win without winning. I mean that you can bid zero on every hand, never take a trick and win, since the scoring system puts a one in front of your successful bid--if you bid one and took one trick, you score eleven for that hand. If you bid one and got two, or none, you get nothing. If you bid zero and took no tricks? You score ten. So, yep, you can play a whole game where you're not trying to bring home a single trick, just throwing your power away and hiding your big numbers under other people's bigger cards... and win the whole thing.

[@donnasonnenfeld3078]

Hi, Double P! Great video, as always! I'll try to answer that question you have about whether or not Jan lived in the West Tower. No, she did not. Charles used to stand at his window and look down to the left towards the sound of Jan playing her bassoon, which technically means that Jan lives on the East side of the building. The Arconia (irl, the Belnord) stands on an entire NY CITY block, it's a rectangle with the arched and gated entrances on 86th Street (the South), Broadway on its Western most facing street, Amsterdam Avenue on its Eastern most facing street and 87th Street on its North side. Charles looks out into the courtyard towards the inner gates, so his apartment is on the 87th street side. The "Westies" are across and to his right (towards Broadway. They're using a bit of poetic license here, though, because technically they're on the 86th Street side-but it's towards the Broadway corner, so "West".) Jan lived to Charles's left, so she was on the Amsterdam side, which is really the East side of the building. Since this is fiction, the "Arconia" isn't an exact copy of the Belnord and they're stretching the reality a bit for the sake of the story. Charles actually is on the North side of the building but they're calling it the East side for the story. But the answer truly is, no, Jan isn't a "Westie".

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you for your answer! I couldn't remember, it seemed like she was across the courtyard.

[@outnumberedbbq]

Anyone notice Vince Fish has a Ham radio when he lets in Mabel and Oliver just like the empty apartment.

[@DoublePMedia]

Where is it? (I don't know ham radios, what should I be looking for?)

[@outnumberedbbq]

@@DoublePMedia when they first walk in his apartment, on a desk to the right. Pause at 15:24

[@maximusdraco2199]

Perfect start to my morning 🎉 Thank you

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you! Murder every morning!

[@dalemoore8582]

The writing on the wall is From The Lovesong of Alfred J Prufrock ( my nemesis in college) by TSElliot. “ Let us go, you and I when the evening is spread against the sky. Like a patent etherised upon a table…”

[@DoublePMedia]

Thanks

[@emilyaltman4318]

we love these videos, i've been watching since season two. I was wondering if you could tell us your favorite christie novels or fair play mystery novels. thank you for making these great videos, sending you a hug from mexico

[@DoublePMedia]

gracias méxico! My fav Christie is "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd" (only because I solved it in the first chapter). Her best is 'And Then There Were None' (I didn't solve); Best film adaptation is the 1957 'Witness for the Prosecution'. Best modern writer using Christie's-style is Horowitz's 'Magpie Murders' What are your favorites?

[@tiplacrimosa1573]

Great episode Double P. For what its worth the writing on the wall behind the tv looks like the beginning of a poem by T.S. Eliot called The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock. It’s a beautiful poem. Well worth a read. I’ll leave any theories it may hold to you.

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you. You're the 2nd person to note it could be 'The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock" -- and this is the most embarrassing thing - I was in a band in college and we quoted 'Prufrock' in 2 different songs. #EpicFail from me!

[@KK-zc8eo]

@@DoublePMedia despite the brilliant set work all around, that painting’s positioning is a fail on their part. Honing in on Charles’ apartment actually, the art work and/or the treatment of it is majorly taking me out! Lamps on top of canvas. Grotesque and criminal. Have they heard of fire regulations, not to mention the damage to the poor piece, which looks descent enough. Then, the TV is smack in front of a painting. A good one again. But an abstract with Towbly/Basquiat aspirations. Again, all the above points, plus have fun trying to watch tv with that background and not have it imprinted on your retinas. In the kitchen, a wannabe Ed Ruscha piece. Strikes me odd, since Steven Martin is a famous art collector and lover. His apartment’s set hits and thoroughly misses on that respect. Only brilliant point: the enclave in the foyer when the light and camera angle hits it right, paired with that Escher-like wallpaper. Strike of genius that almost gets swallowed in the misplacement of the rest!

[@Lucasdamntheman]

I agree about Howard being important. In season 1 I knew Jan was the killer because her actress's name was in the main credits but she didn't show until the middle of the season!!!

[@DoublePMedia]

Yep, and in season 1, when Jan was with the podcast trio, she kept trying to point the blame at Howard!

[@erinmckenna605]

on handwriting: as somebody who has worked in an art department on film shoots before, I wouldn't put too much stock in matching handwriting. Most likely, that handwriting belongs to somebody on the art team who made all/a lot of the note props. the writers probably put that comment in about the matching "J" completely separately from the team that actually made the props. still a fun theory though!

[@DoublePMedia]

Erin, we're going to get someone from the Art Department in EVERY writers room across America. #ContinuityNow :) Thanks for the note

[@morganschutz3028]

Agree with you, Erin!

[@rafaeladefaria8803]

Soon I saw that knife, the portuguese in me knew it was ham, and I spat myself when they imported it from.. Portugal 😂❤️

[@Luke-yx5ve]

Look forward to the breakdown as much as the ep 👌

[@NateWongSongs]

You’re incredibly good at this

[@DoublePMedia]

Thanks, the whole Clue Crew (Loyal Listeners) bring this together!

[@keelyedouglas]

This theory came from episode one, but it hits right based on the blood message on the floor. Think back... The messages we see coming in to Charles's phone are interesting, because the text that comes in reads "Not your fucking friend." That sounds like they were friends at one time, but are no longer close (which Charles might not have picked up on). I think that when Bakula went downstairs at the Hollywood party, it was to send a message from Sazz's phone as "Sazz." However, Charles followed him down there, and it caught him off guard. Bakula is may have not specifically gone down to send a faux text, but perhaps he just grabs the wrong phone from his coat pocket? When Bakula starts to show Charles a photo of Joy, but he stops because the photo is supposedly intimate. What if he was worried Charles would recognize Sazz's phone... There is some great art in the center of their exchange that has lots of red dripping down the canvas. Plus, the whole going downstairs thing feels like a lead up to the basement discovery. Bakula might have been a big star if it weren't for Charles...maybe?

[@DoublePMedia]

Very well thought out and logical - yet I can't get my head around them making Scott Bakula the killer. I hope they do it, because it would be WILD

[@johorkings6210]

@@DoublePMedia whats so crazy about it im not from the us so i dont get it, also they make a reference to him in s1 and they mention season 1 in this last episode

[@kimwaltz6114]

@@johorkings6210 Well, Oliver confuses Charles with Scott Bakula in season 1 episode 1, but Bakula might have lost the role of Brazos to Charles and has not forgiven him.

[@TheChrisHype]

Oh, and BTB, the “bathroom ham” I believe is supposed to be jamon, a dry cured ham primarily produced in Spain. It is known for needing to be eaten through its drying and deteriorating process which is when it has the most flavor. In you had one in an apartment, the bathroom would most likely be the least dry room in the house, allowing the jamon to last longer. I’ve had it myself. It’s…alright. It literally can only be enjoyed in thinly cut segments, genuinely only allowing you to taste as opposed to simply digging in, but who knows? Maybe it’s the choice food of the Westies.

[@pinkpearl4063]

The killer could've used the secret passages to clean up Sazz's body. Jan said she leared about them while listening to season two of the podcast. The killer could've as well.

[@DoublePMedia]

imo that has to be it

[@kimwaltz6114]

It could be a story loose end, but if everyone who lives there now knows about the secret passages, wouldn't they have them blocked up, would you want secret passages and entrances to your apartment?

[@podsgames0901]

I don't think this is it since the dog led them straight to the incinerator not to the passageways. If they used the passageways the dog would have led them there

[@Dijey.3055]

"Tap in", seems to be written by 2 people , "TAP" (write too perfect for someone dying) by the killer, and "IN" by Sazz. "In" for INEZ. So i rewatch the last scene with Sazz and... WE Can't use it: if we look at tiles, Sazz begin to write where the T of Tap is written, but this look more at I from IN . My theories are: - Howard Is the murdered, in the last épisode of Season 3, he Ask "where IS Charles?", but few second After he understand that he doesn't kill Charles, and decide to hide the body, and clean the scene crime and we now that incinerator was lit at the end of the podcast at the beginning of the season i.e. after the party. When Mabel, Charles and Oliver are in LA, Lester call them because someone leave a note to change the windows. So the culprit must be AT Arconia (and not LA). But why Howard would write TAP ans After clean it. This doesn't make senses Or maybe they are 2 culprits and they try to kill at the same time without knowing it. And my suspect are Inez and maybe Howard (the only suspect i have for now). Inez uses the secret passage to enter Charles home (maybe to kill Sazz and not Charles) and Sazz see Inez so she write In, but Inez see this message and add Tap, and leave the room. But at the same time ( Inez try to kill Saz) a shoot from the other side (touch or miss Sazz) that person think that he kill Charles and leave the Room. But After he discover (AT the party or during the podcast recording in Oliver room) that Charles is alive and try to hide his crime. For me: - Inez was in Charles room when Sazz IS kill (but not necessarily to kill) - Sazz write In(ez) and Inez write TAP - the shooter clean the room and hide the body.

[@JayeKisses]

1:36 no thank u. U do the best break downs for this show

[@elenavthorn]

I'm so blown away by all of you figuring all this out, four seasons, four years, and I'm just mindblown! Also... thanks for not including which Agatha Christie book it was in the Howard theory, greatly appreciated 😅

[@DoublePMedia]

thank you for the kind words - Do you have a likely suspect for shooting Sazz?

[@elenavthorn]

@@DoublePMedia I’m suspicious of Melon/Brother sisters or sister Brothers (I forget which it is 😅) but I’ve no clue how… I don’t think any of the Westies shot Sazz but they know who did. Keep up the good work!! ✨🙌🏻

[@animalsrcute5762]

I started watching the show late. I just found your channel and I am loving it! As far as Howard, my husband has been saying that for so long. I will be showing him your video 💪👍😂‼️

[@DoublePMedia]

Thanks - get him to investigate Howard and Sevelyn :)

[@cm113]

The bloody writing on the wall..."Let us go then, you and I, When the evening is spread out against the sky Like a patient etherised upon a table;"

[@DoublePMedia]

Does Charles dare to eat a peach? Or only eggs?

[@ELYELYELroy]

yall notice how howards dog is the same one that "foound" beckys panties in season 1. The dog found it in a dramatized scene produced for cinda in season 1.....by a production company(maybe bev melons). The dog is def a clue, whoever was its last owner knows whats happening. plus remember howard said he wasnt allowed to have more cats and was practically forced to adopt the dog.

[@DoublePMedia]

I thought Howard said goodbye to cats because Jonathan was allergic to cats?

[@ELYELYELroy]

@@DoublePMedia no he still has Evelyn’s replacement. Remember he was saying they interact well together. He has a dog and cat. And he he tried to get another cat. And his boyfriend also said that he didn’t want him to get rid of his cats.

[@ELYELYELroy]

@@DoublePMedia the only reason I noticed this was because my parents wanted to start the show and I watched S1 E1 with them and noticed this. Watched it the same day I finished S4E2.

[@ELYELYELroy]

@@DoublePMedia Howard was forced by the shelter to adopt the dog. He even mentioned he hired a lawyer to look into it.

[@liluziintrovert]

⁠@@DoublePMediaI believe Howard said he would move his cat to his coworkers place for Johnathan, but Johnathan said that getting rid of his cat would be crazy and that Johnathan would just put up with the allergies for Howard

[@felixleidig8307]

they are definitely since ending of Season 3 implieng the bigger picture will be slowly unraveled

[@meekes1]

One other thing is that I think the vacant apartment is abandoned by Dudenoff or he moved and still owned it but never goes there. The key code being oh hell and the pig and tincle I think the westies all use the apartment for various activities. That being said I don't think any of them are killers but somebody found out about the vacant place and learned the code in order to shoot Charles/Sazz.

[@lukacunningham342]

If Agatha Christie taught me anything, it’s that when there are a pool of interconnected suspects, it’s none of them. Plus both the film crew and *ESPECIALLY* the West Arconia crew feel like big red herrings. Like the christmas tinsel in the sniper’s room, either planted or - due to the fact that the murderer would have to expect someone to investigate, meaning they would need a body - the christmas guy is the killer, having been hired to do the deed. I still believe it was Howard Morris due to the fact that the show really likes making the one character out of the main group of suspects the murderer: Jan and Poppy weren’t part of the Arconia group of suspects and Cliff wasn’t one of the Death Rattle Dazzle cast. Or maybe Sazz is faking her death which I find unlikely. It’s like the Ben Twin Theory, it sounds reasonable but it also sounds weird for a murder mystery standard. Also, was not expecting Jan. - The Logical Side of Luka

[@mizfaith]

I think it's Howard too. (Or he's working with someone)

[@criticalthinker1776]

I expect Jan to play a possible "helper" role, but she's in on the long game. She's a manipulative psychopath who loves suffering. They wouldn't of brought her back.

[@LuxuryPossum]

I'm not sure how much I can buy into Howard being involved in Sazz's death, but there is something suspicious going on. For one, if he knew the dog was a Cadaver dog, why would he bring it back to the crime scene? He says at first he didn't know what the dog's job was, but after that, he lets the crew use the dog to lead them to the incinerator. I find it odd that he didn't know the dog was a cadaver dog at first, I guess he could have found it out later, but I agree, Howard will become more important. I think he is less of a red herring or a suspect, and more like a 4th member of the Only Murders crew.

[@mizfaith]

If he didn't really know the dog was a cadaver dog, why did he name her gravey? I think Howard is a suspect.

[@LuxuryPossum]

@@mizfaith I figured the dog already had the name, and he later confirmed it was a cadaver dog.

[@amandachilds5290]

It can't be Howard right because he is standing beside them when the sand bags almost hit Charles and they are freaked out about ghost of Gideon. Not sure where he is when Charles gets fogged in the closet as I think those are still 2 attempts and the poisoning Winnie must be related somehow and Howard likes animals.

[@JanetLangdon]

Michael Cyril Creighton was in the final season of The Marvelous Mrs Maisel. Perhaps the OMITB producers realized they'd better do something to keep him available because he was instantly so popular. So they put him in the credits. He was also the host for "One Killer Question" for season 3. They wouldn't want MCC heading off with a big commitment to another show when he's so beloved here. While I loved the reveal of the secret passages in season 2, architecture geeks proved that they couldn't really exist without blocking some windows. The writers took some creative license putting the secret passages in, so they've done the same thing with introducing a West building when we'd previously seen Charles and Jan looking across at each other from their east building apartments.

[@DoublePMedia]

Secret passageway : blocks windows, wasted space. I put in a previous video that they could've used the secret passageways for air conditioning ducts... almost every window in that place has a window unit hanging out.

[@blupenquinn2955]

I know with this show not all the clues are based in hard science, but every time the bullet hole was shown, it is mid stomach/abdomen/belly button on all the characters. Sazz, who was too tall to be cast as a woman's stunt double, was shot in the sternum area - HIGH on the abdomen. That would put the shooter below the 14th floor? Or they had the gun resting below the window sill? I don't know what angles Oliver and Mabel were trying to prove when Mabel was laying on the floor, that was ridiculous. lol A random thing I noticed was that while they are playing Oh Hell, everyone is drinking a dark beverage except the daughter, Ana. Also, Jan and Charles met face to face the first time in the elevator, so she was definitely not cut off from his side of the building. I think I remember her being on the other side of the courtyard, but she definitely did not have painted shut windows, since she opened it while she played her bassoon.

[@DoublePMedia]

Love this feedback. The show is selling the viewers that the shot came from the Dudenoff apartment. Do you agree or disagree?

[@dugferd2266]

There was a sawhorse in the corner in the Dudenoff apt. which could have been used as a rifle rest. So that could make an upward angle, and Sazz was several feet back from the window, so if there was an upward trajectory, it would have hit her higher up than the level of the hole in the window.

[@Carlitty]

Jan lived in 6A, Easter Tower.

[@TheChrisHype]

Get ready for your most depressing theory you’re gonna get: Sazz was terminal. She was upset wanting to tell Jan something, and later, wanted to tell Charles something as well. One of the papers in her apartment was a cancelled doctor’s appointment, so what if Sazz got horrible news, said “f-it!”, cancelled her doctor’s appointment, dashed back to New York to tell her best friend the worst news of her life, but sadly, got struck down by a bullet aimed for Charles.

[@criticalthinker1776]

I like it but I think she was either trying to get info off Jan or revealed to Jan something she knew which alerted the "mastermind" and they had to take her out..

[@kimwaltz6114]

@@criticalthinker1776 Jan could be the mastermind. She got herself out of prison.

[@criticalthinker1776]

@@kimwaltz6114 I just feel it being Jan alone is too straight forward, but her character is definitely capable!

[@RuthlessTides]

The writing on the wall is from the poem 'The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock'

[@DoublePMedia]

Thanks! Send me back to English 101

[@johnkingery111]

Then number four appeared again in this episode. Four "ham" references. 1) John Hamm 2) bathroom ham 3) ham radio and 4) and Notorious PIG. Not sure what it means but a continuation from episode 1. Thanks for the great content.

[@DoublePMedia]

Keep me updated on those 4's!

[@gloriamarie1950]

Mabel did the same thing with Ben. There were scenes of Mabel sitting on her couch speaking with Ben after he died. Mabel, also, does the same thing with Tim Kono.

[@DoublePMedia]

Do you think this type of thing happens in real life? Or is it a tv thing only?

[@JayeKisses]

Yeah Mabel had conversations with Tim & Ben ghosts. How stable is she

[@gloriamarie1950]

@@JayeKisses it's a way for the writers to give us( the fans of these characters) more scenes with the characters that were murdered. They can be putting visuals(for us) of what Mabel, & Charles were thinking. I don't think Mabel or Charles are unstable.

[@amandachilds5290]

​​@@JayeKissesyes they do that in episode 2 because they said that episode is about getting sympathy for the victim in Season 1 episode 2 and they seem to do it each season

[@JayeKisses]

@@gloriamarie1950 well Ik it’s for the audience but IN show Mabel taking to the dead is kinda crazy. Same with Charles. It’s fine to ask questions to people who aren’t here but they r having full blown conversations

[@kitkatz3859]

Omg the soap references too, so much respect 🫡

[@DoublePMedia]

Two episodes into s4 and the theories are flying fast!

[@lonelyone]

@@DoublePMedia You told the story about the original killer on Soap being changed because the audience liked them too much. I was trying to find information about this online, but came up short. Who was originally supposed to be the killer? Jodie?

[@DoublePMedia]

@@lonelyone Huge Soap SPOILER: Peter Campbell was introduced in the very first episode, because the creator Susan Harris intended to kill him and create a whodunnit storyline. In episode 7, she introduced Peter's younger brother Chuck (and Bob) who was intended to be Peter's killer. She got the idea from the book/Anthony Hopkins' killer ventriloquist movie 'Magic.' There wasn't much of a motive other than "Chuck was insane." - in fact, Peter and Chuck never shared a scene together before he was killed. She had a fake hair found in the shower drain to show that Bob had been there the night of the murder. The idea was that Bob would testify against Chuck in the trial, sent off to jail. The End. But the audience LOVED Chuck and Bob (tbh they were hilarious) so she couldn't write them off. She pivoted to a different killer.

[@lonelyone]

@@DoublePMedia Oh nice, thank you for the detailed response! I had no idea. I wonder how they would pivot from Howard if he was originally intended to be the Moriarty.

[@cyndeewenzel6439]

I loved that too, people always say I look like Katherine Heldman. lol

[@pablogarcia9207]

27:38 Maybe Kumail's background is just blurred to make the text more legible and not make it look "too busy." It's pretty common. But idk, I could be wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DoublePMedia]

That makes sense

[@CatHasOddSocks]

it's The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock written on Charles' wall!

[@DoublePMedia]

Thank you!

[@671SUN]

Hello Hello! Stoked that this show is back! Stoked to be back here for all the Theory Goodness that goes on! I'm always one to think that all the players/suspects have been introduced. I feel that maybe by the mid point, we'll get all the players on the board! My out on a limb theory is that it's Scot Bakula as the shooter & maybe the accomplices are the Brother Sisters? He could have,like Jan, learned of the Arconian's secret passages from the podcast. Mr.Bakula was dressed like Charles & just maybe, he's looking to eliminate Charles to remove him from the Brazzo's royalties. Sazz wouldn't have her guard up as she was going to double him, she gets shot & Bakula gets her phone? Back for more & I Love just how quick the turn out of these videos happens & how much fun info is packed into them!

[@DoublePMedia]

I'm glad you're back too! We need you on the case!

[@larissacomdoiss]

I watched episodes 1 and 2 last night and my first thought was that Sazz was not dead, but I didn't think she faked it, I was more in line with the theory that she survived or she knew it was going to happen and, like a good stunt, she was ready to fall and get up. And maybe it was for Charles and she was on it, she tapped in. For now, I think she is alive, maybe she will be dead by the end of the season.

[@MaxRebo-jj7dw]

I think Joy is the murderer. Remember the note that was left on Jan’s door I’m watching you. She has been obsessed with Charles and not wanted him to date and may have in fact poisoned Winnie since Oliver also received a threatening note on his door. We also have to remember in Season 3 whilst seeing Joy Charles started behaving oddly and going to the white room and in Season 2 Joy gave him CBD oil for his hands. Maybe she had been drugging him since Season 2. We also know someone was at Sazz’s place in Season 4 episode 1 this could have been Joy since Charles said this was his old apartment in LA until he gave lease to Sazz and Joy working on Brazzos then would know this.

[@DoublePMedia]

Would love that to be the answer - Revenge for her fish!

[@markdaly1648]

​Started to watch season 4. It's joy Killed a prison guard in her prison break and his brain matter on her prison outfit. ​

[@markdaly1648]

​@@DoublePMediaI think it's joy too

[@mu77]

I agree with this and the drugging of Charles. She may have drugged him while he was in Brazzos.

[@PeacefulGanja]

I also think the shot came from a floor/couple of floors below them. Notice how low the bullet hole is in the window. If it was shot from the same level/floor as Charles, Sazz would have been hit in the waist/lower abdominal area, not the chest.

[@DoublePMedia]

That makes logical sense... yet the show is selling hard that the shot came from the Dudenoff apartment. Are there more twists to come?

You know that shot in the season 4 trailer with the woman in the blue 70s style jumpsuit putting her foot on the window ledge with the sniper? There's no way hulu would reveal a shot of the killer in the trailer, right? If they did i'm kinda dissapointed I watched the trailer so closely, but it's probably either Ana or one of the brother sisters

[@DoublePMedia]

Agree, the blue 70s clothes "feels" like its someone imagining how the crime took place

[@jt279]

Agreed, probably a red herring. Like the body-bag shot in a Season2 trailer, it may be another TV/movie set scene.

[@dugferd2266]

It could be a scene of the gang running through some theories (like when Mabel and Charles were imagining how the hanky came to be in Ben's hand)

[@kimwaltz6114]

@@jt279 exactly like that

[@EarthIsSmall]

Great breakdown!

[@DoublePMedia]

Thanks for your feedback! Any suspects?

[@AmyS79]

Will police find a bullet in the incinerator?

[@DoublePMedia]

Ooooo - that would be great!

[@craigfrancisjohnson]

Love all the theories...also when Saz says... get off my boobs!

[@DoublePMedia]

#shameful 😜

[@craigfrancisjohnson]

@@DoublePMedia 🤣🤣🤣

[@PeacefulGanja]

There's one clue that jumped out at me, almost confirming a theory I had since season 2. The golf score card with the note "Long Game" written on it. Someone is definitely playing the "long game" with the trio. But who? Initially I had a theory about Teddy Dimas a while back plotting his revenge in the background but now I'm not so sure.

[@DoublePMedia]

Teddy Dimas would hate the podcast trio, without question!

[@criticalthinker1776]

I don't know who, but Jan is their pawn.

[@kimwaltz6114]

Teddy would have the perfect long game

[@MeanBob866]

That's a good point: if the killer went to inspect the body and realized it was Sazz, they need to clean up the scene regardless. but why not simply return to the west tower, reload the rifle, and wait for the real Charles to return, as he indeed did later? You've already got one dead body on your hands, what's two in the grand scheme of things? Two possible counterpoints: Sazz was the real target, or the killer never realized that it was Sazz.

[@thewanderingfoodie_]

I think the killer knows the dead body is Sazz’s. He/she has her phone and texted back Charles saying that he/she isn’t Sazz

[@MeanBob866]

@@thewanderingfoodie_ One would absolutely assume this, yes. However, are we absolutely certain that the person on the other end of the phone is the killer?

[@DoublePMedia]

Sazz needs a better passcode for her phone! Too easy to access!

[@MeanBob866]

Hmm, how did the person threatening Charles get into Sazz's phone in the first place? If they stole they password before killing Sazz, that would mean that Sazz was the real target. I guess they could FaceID Sazz's corpse a la The Afterparty, but the problem is that they would have to turn on the lights in Charles' apartment. And if they had the lights on during the coverup, why did they miss the obvious bloodstain on the oven? Assuming it was locked at the time, is there another way to get into her phone?

[@Carlitty]

@@MeanBob866I think they are different people. Anna thinks Charles is dead? Maybe she says he has brittle bones because of the several prostheses in the incinerator...

[@begimai_]

I think it's Inez in the blurred background not Eva Longoria

[@DoublePMedia]

That begins to put the pieces together, I think. Why do you think they blurred her?

[@begimai_]

@@DoublePMedia I feel like OMITB never shows the murderer in the trailers, i might be wrong, but don't remember seeing Jan, Becky, Cliff much in the previous years. Atm Inez and her daughter give the weirdest vibes. You just don't like them. It reminded me of how they introduced Cliff last season. U knew right away he got smth.

[@keelyedouglas]

@@DoublePMedia Forbidden Christmas tryst?

[@JetPackDino]

Howard Uma Lester Ursula The initials spell... you get it. The real powers behind it all?

[@DoublePMedia]

LOL

[@criticalthinker1776]

lol! "it was hulu all along"

[@cyndeewenzel6439]

Now that's funny!

[@gooddays6924]

In the trailer I think it was Inez who was holding the sniper

[@chrisburkhardt4902]

I think there are some other clues/hints that you are missing. The prevalence of "ham" in this episode is overwhelming. As you noted, the first time we ever see any ham reference is in the beginning credits. BUT! as Mabel and Oliver are headed over to the west tower, they have a quick exchange about a "Jon Hamm in the pants" incident with one of Lorretta's coworkers. When Charles goes to "defend himself" from Jan in the kitchen, he grabs a pig figurine that we saw sitting on the counter in a scene earlier while Charles, Oliver, and Mabel were discussing where the shot may have come from. This is also the same pig figurine that Charles is resting his hand on in the scene where he and Jan are reminiscing about Sazz. Of course, there's the obvious ham hanging in the shower during the Oh Hell card game (more on that later), but we also see a HAM radio ("So much ham up here" - Mabel) in the Dudenoff apartment and when Mabel calls out to Oliver about the piglet (in the shower), she says "more ham." Oliver does also say the westies eat "toilet ham." One thing I found interesting was when the cops break in, detective Williams mentions Jan depicting killing Charles with an "acid shower or golden shower" and then says "We need to check your bathroom." Both the ham in the Oh Hell scene and the piglet in the Dudenoff apartment were shown in showers/bathtubs. A few other things, the lockbox code is "Oh Hell" upside down. When Mabel and Oliver are snooping around in the apartment, someone enters the correct code to get in (as heard by the lock disengaging) but is denied access because Mabel has locked the deadbolt (like she told Charles to do). At the very end of the episode, we can see the "westie suspects" in the Dudenoff apartment (as noted by the orientation of the mirror/lamps and book shelves being on the right hand side of the window/wall instead of the left hand side like in Stink Eye's apartment AND that being the shade that Oliver pulled up while they were in the apartment).The murder board also has a piece picked up from Sazz's LA apartment that is "The 5 1/2 Lesbian Brothers Invitational Golf Tournament." The 2 sisters in episode 1 had the last name Brothers and a female "couple (2)" would be lesbians (just like Jan and Sazz). That may end up being nothing, but it seems like it could be a point of interest. I think the "Tap in" written in blood at the end suggests that Sazz may have figured something out which is why they offered to go up to the apartment to get the bottle at the end of season 3 instead of letting Charles do it. The show has a reputation for pointing you toward suspects as a way of throwing you off the trail. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Sazz had created a watch group for Charles and used the Dudenoff apartment as the "base of operation." But I also wouldn't be surprised to find out there is something else going on with the westies. I think there isn't enough evidence to really be focusing on one suspect over the other, but there are definitely some things that make me want to lean more toward some over others...or potentially key in on some other things that PIGGYback off of this episode.

[@cherin5892]

@chrisburkhardt4902 I think all Ham references are red herrings. To obvious

[@JetPackDino]

I also think the name "Bev Melon" is a nod to Tina Fey's character "Liz Lemon." I don't think it means anything... I don't think? 🤔

[@DoublePMedia]

OF COURSE! Good catch!

[@PriscilaTV1]

I really need to catch up- will come back later!

[@DoublePMedia]

That will cost you one more comment for engagement :)

[@kayldee1215]

Rewatching s4e2 - just noticed the four oranges in Charle’s bathroom when he is washing Sazz into the bowl. Oranges are usually a sign of death in movies. Meaning the character in the scene with the oranges will die. Hummmmm ……

[@DoublePMedia]

Love this: Vito Corleone has a death orange you can't refuse :)

[@septwenvi2510]

Maybe Howard will be revealed as the Moriarty of the podcast.

[@DoublePMedia]

My kingdom for quality Howard content :)

[@felixleidig8307]

i think he will be maibe at the end of Season 5 not yet

[@cheri7054]

In season 3 we thought Ben was at first dead. Then he was back but came back quickly Sazz was shot at the chest but the shot if came from below cuz the window shows that. Sazz would have been hit in the stomach. There are many pieces of the puzzle missing.

[@rezenpremium]

My immediate and unqualified idea on Sazz being shot was that it wasn’t fatal… maybe she had a surgery in the past for her previous injuries and the bullet hit some metal in her body and she bled out but still managed to survive coz she’s a badass 😵‍💫 Also she knows how to position herself when falling over as a stunt expert. Can’t remember but did an xray scan of her chest area (where she was visibly shot) shown on the episode?

[@DoublePMedia]

I'm sure they wanted to "jump start" the Hollywood story, and maybe they felt going over the drama of finding Sazz's body slowed it down too much... so they hid the body?

[@kimwaltz6114]

I love the idea that the bullet ricocheted off one of her metal body parts.

[@thomasahearn4142]

I bet Rudy listens to I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday constantly.

[@DoublePMedia]

Rudy worships Burl Ives :)

[@cyndeewenzel6439]

@@DoublePMedia We have three people in my apartment complex that still have their tree's up. Now I know what to call them.

[@johngoldsmith427]

You're obsessed with Howard. HE's the comic relief, not evil

[@DoublePMedia]

Hope you're correct!

[@spadada]

Ok, Howard!

[@johorkings6210]

But what about the fly in the wall reference, hes lit been that since s1

[@larissacomdoiss]

Another observation is in the first season, when Jan lived across the courtyard, it wasn't that separated and such a different vibe.

[@larissacomdoiss]

Ok, just rewatched S01E04, it was completely integrated. Rewatching S04E02, they do say the west tower was segregated after the brothel incident. When Jan and Charles are playing music by the window she goes to Charles unit in a matter of minutes. Now they have to go around.

[@jackiebishop2177]

I now realize that according to Vince Fish, one CAN see into Oliver's apartment from where the shooter was, so that may be how they knew they killed the wrong person. OTOH, even if Charles was the target, wouldn't the bullet hole in the window be a dead giveaway(pun intended) that the shot came from across the way? Not very subtle! Someone could just kill Charles by climbing into the closet of his apartment like Jan! I wonder if the shot was an ACCIDENT, but Sazz did see or suspect something illegal going on.

[@cheri7054]

I don't think Howard knows what happened to the cats leg

[@ellafieldipops]

3:40 Justice for Winnie!

[@DoublePMedia]

100%

[@LoveKeepsGoing11]

One of the things that has bothered me since the beginning with that “end the podcast or I end you” note is that by that point Oliver had only mentioned the podcast to Sting in the elevator and to Teddy when asking for a sponsorship (which I like to assume that automatically Theo also knew). He tells them, then by the end of the episode he goes to his apartment and there’s the note. He had dropped the first episode already but they said it had only 4 listens at that point, which again we could attribute them to the 4 super fans standing in front of the Arconia. Although I don’t want it to be Howard, the only thing I can think of is that even though they didn’t mention the podcast to him, he could’ve figured it out because Oliver was recording him and then Charles said “you’re being recorded” while in his apartment. But now with the magical left handed smudge I don’t know, because they show Howard writing with his right hand. Unless he’s ambidextrous ‘cause it looked like he was using his phone in ep 7 with his left but then again he was eating something I think 🤣🙈 I’m still so confused!!! Let’s see what we learn with today’s episode

[@xoxojadieeet]

10:06 I thought Jan lived either the North or South wing! I thought they looked diagonally at each other, Jan lower than Charles

[@silklavender]

Idk why I’m thinking it’s the sauce family daughter

[@DoublePMedia]

Ana had some expressions that said "I know more" for sure!

[@meekes1]

I am 0.00% convinced it's Bakula. First of all the actor said in an interview that he heard he was referenced on the show before that asked him to actually appear. If that had planned him for the murderer that would have been in contact with him well before they got him involved in the main plot of the show. Reason 2 is it's too boring there has to be more to the mystery then it's the guy sazz has been working for who doesn't even know Charles except by name and whatever joy told him.

[@cherin5892]

All pig references are so clear that it's probably a red herring

[@talesyuki]

Idk about who's the killer or if Sazz is really dead or what, my only real question is: WHERE. IS. UMA? Where is Uma????? I want my Uma time! xD

[@DoublePMedia]

Uma will not let this movie shoot stand!

[@talesyuki]

@@DoublePMedia I'm counting on her xD

[@olivecodswallop-o3g]

Ham in opening and closing credits . Ham in the shower? a piglet in the bathtub of the strange apartment with a Ham radio on the piano , then when Jan arrives in Charles Apartment he grabs a pig shaped cream pitcher from his kitchen counter to wield at her to protect himself . attempts to protect himself from her by wielding a p

[@DoublePMedia]

Good note, Olive. Any idea why so many pigs?

[@kevinmoore4237]

*theory:* what if they use a font that's supposed to look like handwriting and they just use it for whatever note from whatever scene?

[@criticalthinker1776]

It's always been about the Arconia, maybe Charles, maybe he's just the most vulnerable. The trio got in the way. Sazz started interfering and revealed something to Jan which ultimately got Sazz killed. Jan is a pawn, a psychopath, and a pawn. *Also, i'm convinced this seasons theme is "siblings", and there was more to Bunny's death. Their father clearly slept around and the brothel comment set it up. So I think there's a sibling from the "west", with plenty jealousy to kill Sazz especially if she was getting close to figuring something out.

[@DoublePMedia]

Amen

[@craigfrancisjohnson]

Is the blood on rhe oven Saz using the handle to get up?

[@DoublePMedia]

Wow, that would be smart!

[@jackiebishop2177]

I do think there is more than 1 killer, Peg7354. I think the hired killer fired the shot, texted the accomplice, but the accomplice was WITH CHARLES or HEARD Charles, and let them know they had the wrong person! Charles must have been in Oliver's for hours that night. Is Oliver's apartment visible from those windows? How else would the killer know they had the wrong person unless someone SAW or HEARD Charles and realized he wasn't dead?

[@DoublePMedia]

great note. Having recorded podcasts, i'm sure that Charles' was at Oliver's for hours

[@maximusdraco2199]

How together is poor Charles if when Jan said I was hoping we would have time to make love and he looked at his watch and said I think we have a little time?! Meaning whilst Oliver and Mabel are banging on his door

[@DoublePMedia]

Charles is a lover, not a fighter :)

[@markdaly1648]

I just started season 4. Episode 2. Joy broke out of prison. Had prison guards blood on her shirt.

[@DoublePMedia]

#Evil

[@hopejackson1319]

Does Saz have a twin. Has Charles been the victim all along. Was his life to be manipulated all along. Saz being a method actor and a real life engagement, did she find his tormentor. Next episode should be good.

[@DoublePMedia]

we might collapse if Sazz has a twin. :)

[@sherrillsturm7240]

I thought it strange that the cops, especially their friendly detective, didn't investigate further, and that the three civilians did the blood research. That's not realistic. In fact, the episode could have been completed without the police coming at all. Given that the show is so meticulously planned, that loose end is suspicious. Also, a human body is not completely incinerated leaving only ashes in a normal incinerator. There are bones that will not even be destroyed in a crematorium.

[@DoublePMedia]

Wonder if the SWAT team left to chase after Jan, and then Det. Williams went down to the incinerator. you're answering a question that I had... would an incinerator turn everything to ash. Thanks

[@dugferd2266]

Long comment coming ​@@DoublePMediaI did a quick search (I have questions about the incinerator too) Everything but bones and some metals becomes ash, but the bones do change to be fragile or fragmented. They would need to be pulverized into "ash" as they wouldn't burn all the way down to that point, so there should be skeletal/bony remains as well as any metal joints hardware in the burn mix. Mortuaries remove all metals and have machines to do the bones-to-ash completion. It also takes 2-3 hours to complete the burning part. My question would be since the incinerator had been shut down, I assume they would have been cleaned out, so Sazz's remains (or what would pass for them) would be all that's in there? If it was a fake death, what were the ashes? If not, why didn't the murderer come back and clean it out? This could have even been done well after the burning because of the time gap; they figured out in LA that the murder occurred. If the killer faked the note requesting the window repair to cover that track, wouldn't he also have the time to go clean the incinerator, tying up all the loose ends? The "faked her own death" has grown on me some as a tin foil hat idea. Sazz would need to leave evidence that she was killed, and the joint replacements would be a way to do that. She would have all the info about her implants, the materials, manufacturers (they did make that a point when Charles was explaining her x-rays and later discovering the prostheses), and serial numbers. She is a golfer (scorecard on desk), and many sets of clubs use the same metals (stainless steel, titanium). Perhaps she could have had reproductions made from those to be found in the incinerator. It was hard to make sense of the shooting scene if Sazz's only purpose was to fake her own death. Maybe there were two reasons: she knew the shooter was set up that night for Charles and needed to temporarily fool the killer into thinking the murder of Charles was successful, so she pulled off a dangerous stunt of taking a bullet -- I imagine using a protective vest and an effects blood bag to leave behind realistic blood evidence. It would also explain a lack of luminol trail (don't yet know if they will keep spraying) to the incinerator, with no body to drag, but Sazz could have made some kind of trail to the incinerator chute. She tapped in for Charles that night taking the danger, leaving the tap in message to let Charles know he was the target, and also leaving an illusion of her death. If Sazz went to Charles's to get the wine, she would've gone down the hallway and into the kitchen like when Charles got the bottle with Mabel and Oliver. They went to the kitchen through the hallway. The bottle was right by the hall's kitchen entrance on the counter. I think Sazz would have known where the bottle was, too. But instead, she went through the front sitting room and had to walk around the stove island to the kitchen which put her path along the windows, perhaps intentionally to be seen. She also didn't turn on any lights (makes no sense, there's no reason for stealth for her to get the bottle) so the killer would only have basically a silhouette to shoot at (or at least, no chance of seeing her face to distinguish her from Charles). The killer would have had no reason that night to suspect he/she had shot the wrong person in either case, unless he/she or an accomplice was at the party knowing the shooting had taken place, but saw that Charles was still alive at the party. But that still makes for a haphazard cleanup and disposal at Charles's place. So it's: what reasons would Sazz have to need to be presumed dead, if she did use the shooting to do so? Or who killed Sazz and why, or killed Sazz thinking her to be Charles, and why do he/she/they want Charles dead?

[@waylenmiki_1]

I think maybe the writing on Charles' wall is from The Lovesong of J. Alfred Prufrock. "let us go then, you and I..." But not sure how it connects to anything relevant. Just finally using my English degree.

[@DoublePMedia]

OMG - I love Prufrock ! Did Charles dare to eat a peach? No, because Jan had to run :)

[@mr.brownstone5716]

@@DoublePMedia - No, because Charles is like Prufrock, talks about doing something with his lover but never does. Paralyzed by his own self-doubt and anxiety. I think it's just showing what Charles' character is about.

[@mr.brownstone5716]

@@DoublePMedia - I reverse Google imaged the picture after last week's episode. You can own that picture on Charles Haden-Savage's wall. cdn.propcart.com/images/items/large_440_rz9g8SQnOgTauFmoBSLa_1648834650971.jpg

[@J2theTechnoVine]

I saw a similar theory I kinda agree with. Sazz tried to write "Tap In", sure. But since she died before finishing what she wrote, could the "In" have been "Inez". It would say "Tap Inez"

[@DoublePMedia]

Now that is SMART!

[@J2theTechnoVine]

@@DoublePMedia Right? It could mean Inez was either Sazz's suspect or lover

[@MizzBrill]

@@J2theTechnoVine YES! Charles is her crush/hall pass! Makes sense!

[@SRPDEB]

One possibility is that the person who shot Sazz and the person who dragged her to the incinerator are different people. Like I see theories of there being someone in the building who doesn't want police attention on the Arconia. Maybe they learned about Sazz death somehow and brought her to the incinerator to cover it up while the sniper was unaware. The other option is that they used the secret passageways. Also I like to bring up that when Sazz said she needed to talk to Charles she didn't seem that urgent about it and then casually went to his apartment. I'd think if Sazz though someone was looking to kill Charles she would be a little more urgent, careful or at least tell him to be careful. But maybe I'm just overthinking things.

[@gold-star]

Guys its obviously Oscar, he's mad that they forgot about him

[@DoublePMedia]

LOL - If Oscar, Lucy and Tobert combined forces to be an unstoppable killing machine-- OMITB is going 10 seasons!

[@zainan94]

I feel like I've missed something. Why did Sazz go to Charles's apartment for the wine? Charles was very clearly going to get the wine. The next time we see him he's at the party referring to Sazz going to get the wine. What happened in that time?😢

[@DoublePMedia]

Wonderful question. Charles said "Since we're celebrating, I'm going to go upstairs and get (the wine bottle) I've been saving." Then he stops going upstairs because of a text from Joy "Scott Bakula says 'hi'" - Then it cuts, and Sazz is upstairs in Charles' apartment. Why they switched places??? Sazz comes into Charles' apartment whistling and gets shot

[@mu77]

@@DoublePMedia Maybe the text was code for murder. Sazz knew this and decided to get the wine. Scott Bakula got a text from Joy that he said he couldn't share with Charles. Maybe, Joy is the murderer.

[@constancecampbell4610]

So glad you mentioned the fuzzy person in the background. This may be one of those blue dress/black dress things, but I see a woman with messy, shorter blond hair and thought it was Jan. Messy because she just rolled out of bed? Could Christmas guy work at the prison she just escaped from and be involved with the “psychosexual manipulation” Jan mentioned to Charles? He appears a bit psychosexual himself in that candy cane eating shot. Anyway, love the video. Lots of great theories. 👍

[@DoublePMedia]

Oooo good thought!