FIVE Facts About EVERMEANS That You (Probably) Didn't Know

[@alkatraztsubasa]

i was taken completely by surprise the first time i came across an Evermean. i never expected for the trees to start attacking

[@LionsShareYT]

I know, right?? It was a good little secret that they withheld from us prior to the game’s release.

[@ZiliMidori]

SAME

[@shartsmcginty8056]

@@ZiliMidori *tree moves* , *Link gets the thousand yard stare and has Vietnam flashbacks as Fortunate Son plays*

[@Irisverse]

I came to terms with it pretty quickly. If BotW had living rocks as enemies, then moving trees as enemies seems only natural.

[@maximumforce8275]

It's the talus all over again

[@generalbutterscotch4887]

Glad to see totk has been living up to botw's endless treasure trove of "YOU CAN DO THAT!?" moments so far.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@generalbutterscotch4887 and in totally different ways from BotW, too, which is cool.

[@PaulFisher]

I strongly support spreading the word of the muddle bud-in addition to bring strategically valuable, they’re the best source of slapstick comedy in the game.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

The 1 downside is that they do not work on Yiga, crushing my hopes of pitting monsters against them.

[@WhimsicottFanatic]

​@@keithtorgersen9664 They don't work on Lynels either [well, the intended effect doesn't, anyway], but I guess that does hammer in the point that they only really work on more "simple-minded" creatures

[@m2pt5]

Hitting a battle talus with a muddle bud may be one of the funniest.

[@thealexfiles303]

It's part of my standard strategy for dealing with any large group of enemies, so I find it shocking that it's not more well known.

[@PaulFisher]

@@WhimsicottFanatic I read somewhere that muddle buds in fact so work on lynels, but the problem is that they don’t have any other enemies in the vicinity to fight against. I know there’s a way to trick the depths coliseum into releasing more than one at once and I have wanted to try that for a while.

[@ThatSlowTypingGuy]

Evermean: Appears Me: I've been ready for this day since I first watched the Wizard of Oz.

[@LionsShareYT]

Evermean: Appears Me: …and I took that personally.

[@buizelmeme6288]

Wizard of Oz has walking trees?

[@medusathedecepticon]

​@@buizelmeme6288No but it has attacking trees lol

[@L337M4573RK]

Axe arrows also cut down regular trees without wasting the arrow nor the fused material (most of the time...if you aim for just above the base). Additionally, Evermean logs have a higher fused value than regular logs (8 v 1), Evermeans can sometimes drop a Monster Extract (which is rare to obtain in the early game), and you can fell one with a minimum of 2 Fire Fruits (if it's not raining or in a watery area). Toss one Fire Fruit, wait for it to stop burning, then toss the 2nd Fire Fruit and watch it dance before it perishes. (I'm not an arsonist, I swear!)

[@LionsShareYT]

@@L337M4573RK those are great facts, too. I should have included the Monster Extract one, but I honestly just forgot about it. But I also had to limit the content of my video or I was never going to get it out.

[@Hoshiono]

Fire arrows were allways my go to metod. 🙂🙂

[@9Syren9]

Axe shield surf guerilla warfare is my new favorite TOTK maneuver

[@LionsShareYT]

@@9Syren9 it’s so satisfying

[@GameCatastrophe]

Evermeans? More like, uhh, uhh, I did not plan this joke ahead, uhhh, wait- I’ve got it- Evermeans, more like ever- uhh- never mind.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@GameCatastrophe nice

[@cameodamaneo]

Evermeans? More like nevermind

[@JosephShemelewski]

More like... damn this is harder than I thought uh nevermeans?

[@Zeldamaster0999]

LMAO bro couldn’t figure out what to say😂

[@undynesgaming9462]

Evermeans.... More like ever-mind 😂

[@BlazeAlchemist991]

Another small fun fact: If you're driving a high-speed vehicle (such as chesepuf's Hank the Tank or LongjumpingFrame1771's FESCA), as long as you're not looking at them (by turning the camera in the opposite direction), you can sometimes phase through evermeans. I managed to do this with the evermean that is south-east of the East Akkala Stable. In addition (after phasing through the evermean) using recall will cause your vehicle to get stuck on the evermean and it will be able to destroy the entire build in one shot, if you allow recall to fully play out.

[@LionsShareYT]

That is fun! I might have to try that sometime.

[@silverchan9999]

Every time I see another interesting but strange enemy even tho they've been in the Zelda Series before just goes to show how terrifying Tears of The Kingdom actually is...

[@LionsShareYT]

They did a good job with maxing out the creep factor on some of these enemies, for sure.

[@silverchan9999]

@@LionsShareYT that's true, I'm going to have to be very prepared before I go against any enemy in Tears, which is why Playing Breath of The Wild right now is just a tip of the iceberg...

[@moonshadowmagic7116]

I have been enjoying the evermeans in the apple orchard on Satori Mountain. Running around and getting them to whack other trees is a simple way to harvest apples

[@LionsShareYT]

I mean, I guess it saves you the resources it would take to chop down all the trees, so that works, I guess. Also, a lot of my clips in this video are in that very orchard. ;)

[@moonshadowmagic7116]

@@LionsShareYT Yup, good place for them!

[@prins-henrik1530]

I could be wrong, its been a while since I played, but hitting the base of a apple tree with a blunt weapon will make the apples fall off with no damage to the weapon durability.

[@moonshadowmagic7116]

@@prins-henrik1530 ooh, good one!

[@dmuth]

I’ve been playing the game since it came out, and I learned something new, nice! Also, this might sound silly, but that’s the first time I’ve seen Link in a lynel mask with an outfit that actually works for it, nice! [EDIT: Fixed a typo]

[@LionsShareYT]

Glad you got some value out of the video! And thanks for appreciating my outfit!

[@TheBreadPirate]

That was gnarly as heck! 3:57 I also love the Smoke Effect transition. That's so clever!

[@linkle17]

Hi 🍞

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks! It definitely took me a few tries to pull off that trick. And yeah, I was pretty stoked about how my transitions turned out for this video. :)

[@Echo81Rumple83]

first time i came across those, i was on my way to the New Serene Stables on a brand-new all-black horse i caught out in the fields (after talking with Purah and gotten my assignment, YES, i like horses that much and know how to deal with them), and you could imagine the hilarity that ensued tryna tame a wild horse AND run from a bunch of Ents who've declared war on the human world for some reason XD

[@LionsShareYT]

@@Echo81Rumple83 that sounds chaotic!

[@k.pliskin3214]

Still here wondering how take out an evermean in the depths without alerting the depth's version of fireflies

[@LionsShareYT]

Hm. Axe arrows might work, or any kind of effective ranged attack. As long as you're far enough from the Evermean, you might not scare off the fireflies. I don't know, though. I'll have to try to figure that out.

[@k.pliskin3214]

@@LionsShareYT now hold on, you may be on to something....maybe take em out from far enough away where the fireflies haven't spawned in yet... I've never used an axe arrow before. Combined with the dusk bow or zoom bow might do it... Edit: zoom-able bow like the gerudo or phrenic

[@LionsShareYT]

@@k.pliskin3214 that's what I was thinking.

[@bryceneill8369]

Just use Mineru to grab the fireflies with her extended item grab range. You can also put an axe on one arm if you don’t want to just ignore the Evermeans

[@ChaoticAgenda]

Instantly subscribed after seeing this video. I love seeing all the unusual ways to interact with the world of TOTK.

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks so much! I also love the unusual interactions. :)

[@KyubiNaruto217]

I subscribed too because that was a very interesting and cool video! Love those kind!

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks!

[@momomo21girl]

I did too!! I love it!

[@lilharm]

I like to imagine Evermeans are the Yiga’s next step in attacking while still disguised

[@LionsShareYT]

I like to think of them as tree taluses

[@lilharm]

@@LionsShareYTthat also makes sense

[@fatguy338]

I think the essier way to know if a tree is mean is pointing the camera at it, if it's an evermean the camera will let ya know

[@LionsShareYT]

This is true. A couple other people mentioned this as well. I figured it was more interesting that you could spot them unassisted, but maybe I should have included the camera anyway.

[@mfknbumblebee]

This was so professional! I love learning more about the game

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks so much!

[@sirtophat1825]

Ngl when I first encountered the evermeans I had the same reaction in the beginning bit (scared the stuffing out of me) Also these are great tips thanks for the video 👍

[@LionsShareYT]

Lol I think we all did. They gave us no warning about them ahead of time, so nobody expects a tree to leap out of the ground.

[@raineblackstar3522]

You can also identify evermeans from a distance with your purahpad camera, like how we used to use the slate camera to identify alive guardians in BOTW.

[@LionsShareYT]

Yes, and given the number of comments I’ve received about it, I probably should have included it in my video. I just think it’s more interesting that you can spot them unassisted.

[@jonahthebear]

Awesome video! Life has given me more toenails than I know what to do with! Thank you for these gems of priceless wisdom!

[@LionsShareYT]

@@jonahthebear glad you enjoyed it! ;)

[@TheJege12]

I mean sure but while running, gliding or riding around you don't exactly stop on your tracks to spot Evermeans whenever you see trees. Which is like, all the time. The Hinox nail arrow is interesting though!

[@LionsShareYT]

@@TheJege12 I’ve actually gotten in the habit of slowing down to look for them so they don’t catch me by surprise

[@TheJege12]

@@LionsShareYT Ahh well that makes sense if you're looking for them :D

[@sodaesq.6366]

sweet vid! loved the editing and transitions!!

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks so much! I had a lot of fun doing the editing and making the transitions specifically.

[@sodaesq.6366]

@@LionsShareYT hell yeah!

[@curtismiller7959]

wow that was a great video, I am personally one of those maniacs who charges and chops

[@LionsShareYT]

I think we all are at times. ;)

[@rorybarkley3800]

Wow! Great video! (That’s what I’m supposed to say right?) seriously though good job!

[@LionsShareYT]

@@rorybarkley3800 haha thanks!

[@cryptidbunny8791]

I like the thought of taking them out with axe arrows from a distance. I've been using fire arrows and it takes such a long time. Also, I usually detect them by bringing out the camera.

[@LionsShareYT]

Yeah, bomb arrows also take them out immediately, but you have to waste bombs. And yeah, the camera also works, especially if you don’t want to slow down to check for them. Also, sometimes the Evermeans are not the same type of tree as the trees around them, so they’ll stand out more.

[@KainaX122]

4:01 - This man just committed the equivalent of a precision air strike on that Evermean 😂

[@LionsShareYT]

@@KainaX122 😎

[@syedshah9029]

Really good video, I'm just commenting for the algorithm

[@LionsShareYT]

@@syedshah9029 thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@zachtwilightwindwaker596]

0:07 AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! Seeing the tree move freaked me out. I thought I saw a tumble weed at first. It took me a moment to realize that a tree was attacking me. I usually chop them down.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@zachtwilightwindwaker596 yeah, me too. I nearly jumped out of my skin.

[@Wildicon19]

Wow, who would of known that you could defeat a tree with a toenail! Muddle Buds are so much fun!

[@LionsShareYT]

So many things still to learn in this game!

[@Totalcryptid]

Fun fact! Evermeans are actually Yiga clan members in disguise! I talk to a lot of yiga npcs while disguised as a yiga and I remember running into one who talked about how they had been using trees as disguises to hunt link!

[@LionsShareYT]

@@Totalcryptid they’re not the same, though. There are banana traps where there are Yiga disguised as trees. They don’t attack you as trees. The trees disappear and the Yiga appear. Evermeans are tree monsters, and they drop monster extract on rare occasions.

[@Totalcryptid]

@@LionsShareYT ohhhh

[@WildflowersCreations]

Thank you for teaching me yet another new thing about this game. Now I have to go play again, YEAH!!! AXE Arrows :)

[@LionsShareYT]

@@WildflowersCreations my pleasure! Glad I could help!

[@theighthsage1282]

Thank you for making an educational video on the Legend of Zelda’s smaller details.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@theighthsage1282 it’s my pleasure. I love doing it!

[@zift986]

Great editing

[@LionsShareYT]

@@zift986 Thanks! I worked hard on it. I’m glad you enjoyed the video!

[@RickRaptor105]

If the wiggling is too subtle for you, you can also spot evermeans just by checking the viewfinder in your camera

[@LionsShareYT]

Yup. I just didn’t include it because I think it’s cooler you can spot them without it.

[@gigglesmo3]

My go-to method for dealing with Evermeans is putting a fire keese wing or Fire-breath Lizalvos horn on a giant boomerang. Also, using the camera will let you know if there are Evermeans near by

[@LionsShareYT]

That’s fair. The boomerang probably one shots them if it connects and just lights them on fire if not, right?

[@siratmosta9im]

very good vid and amazing animation

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks so much! I worked hard on those animations!

[@chosospigtails]

these are the scariest enemy in TOTK because everytime one attacks me I get genuinely jumpscared :D i always forget they exist so i never look for them

[@LionsShareYT]

I only disagree because Gloom Spawn exists.

[@chosospigtails]

@@LionsShareYT They're awful too! I use an interactive map online to look up Gloom Spawn locations and mark them in my in-game map so I always know where they are so I can avoid them :D

[@bluezaton]

Nice arrow fusion, never crossed my mind.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@bluezaton thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@carenhelms8518]

Thank you for finally giving me a use for those Hinox toenails! I had no idea WHY we had the damn things!

[@LionsShareYT]

@@carenhelms8518 glad I could help!

[@MarcLuscher]

They move their roots like someone tapping their feet, waiting for you to get close

[@LionsShareYT]

@@MarcLuscher I like to think they’re just antsy. No, like, literally. They’ve got ants crawling on them and they can’t help but wiggle.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Maybe Evermeans smell you out, Puffshrooms could also be interfering with enemies' sense of smell.

[@LionsShareYT]

Ooh! I love that idea. Good thinking!

[@teamllr3137]

Fire should also be really affective

[@LionsShareYT]

@@teamllr3137 it is, but it’s also slow

[@tphillips37]

I found out by accident that the camera will detect them for you. In the depths it's hard to see rhem move, so I'll get the camera out and look groups of trees over to see if it identifies any.

[@LionsShareYT]

Yeah, I actually discovered that by accident first as well. But then I thought, if I watch them do they give themselves away? And of course, the answer was yes. I hadn’t seen anyone talk about the fact that they wiggle, so I made a video about it!

[@linkle17]

Cool vid thanks for tips

[@LionsShareYT]

Glad you enjoyed it! :)

[@mrcombustiblelemon2902]

I accidentally uncovered my first Evermean because I was running around the woods with the camera open to fill my compendium and it got highlighted

[@LionsShareYT]

@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 oh, so you were one of the lucky few people not to get jumpscared by a tree.

[@mrcombustiblelemon2902]

@@LionsShareYT oh, I still got jumpscared. As it turns out, knowing that's not a real tree isn't the same thing as knowing it's going to just uproot itself with a loud noise when you think you're just far enough to be out of its range but close enough to smack it with your pointed stick.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 ah, sure.

[@daniellelondon439]

Areal strike! I did not know you could do that, great video!

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks! I was pretty excited about that moment. It took me a few tries to get it right, but it was totally worth it.

[@rtyuik7]

i thought grandpa was just having a PTSD episode when he said the trees attacked...

[@LionsShareYT]

Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they’re NOT out to get you…

[@rtyuik7]

@@LionsShareYT its 'Nam all over again

[@aarne602]

great video👍🏻

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@keithtorgersen9664]

A homing arrow will also fly to the nearest evermean in a grove of trees.

[@LionsShareYT]

Oh cool! I didn’t know that. I tried so many different materials to see what would work against them, and somehow I must have skipped eyeballs!

[@kamekmechanic80]

Apples on evermeans will not be highlighted when using ultra hand or recall, and camera can spot them easily as well

[@LionsShareYT]

Oh, the ultrahand/recall bit I had not noticed! Nice find! I didn’t include the camera because I find it more interesting that you can spot them unassisted.

[@LunaP1]

Whatta ya mean they ain't sneaky? I had a heart attack the first time they popped up. Then again, I didn't know they were a thing.

[@LionsShareYT]

I guess it’s more like they’re not as sneaky as you might think. But yeah, that first time before you know they exist is a doozy.

[@Alice-the-Bibi]

Bro stop giving me nostalgia with the Swyward Sword songs 🥲💙

[@LionsShareYT]

But I love it! Plus it helps me find my fellow Skyward Sword enjoyers! :)

[@arielcuster6660]

My kids laughed out loud at the screaming gopher 🤣🤣🤣 I’m definitely a slash and hope for the best type player lol. And I avoid hinoxes in general so…no toenail arrows for me 😜

[@LionsShareYT]

Sounds like your kids have a great sense of humor! ;)

[@Ldysith84]

Shooting an arrow still uses durability, just from a bow!

[@LionsShareYT]

True. But I’m rarely low on bows, whereas I feel like my weapons are breaking all the time, so I value their durability much more.

[@thekamelotbard186]

I did not know these, thank you! Evermeans have been a nuisance.

[@LionsShareYT]

Glad I could help!

[@Julie04-h1c]

pretty nice video

[@LionsShareYT]

@@Julie04-h1c thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Nats.Plays.Games1703]

u can also use camera to detect evermeans

[@LionsShareYT]

This is true. But it’s cool you can spot them without it.

[@ShirleyJ-wz4jd]

MUDDLE BUDS LETS HECKIN’ GOOO! 🌷

[@LionsShareYT]

Seriously, they’re so underrated 😅

[@JamisRobertson]

Ok, but what do I do when most of my evergreens dont exist until I get close enough to get them aggroed

[@LionsShareYT]

I think that’s where some of the later tips come into play. Muddle Buds and Puffshrooms are both good options.

[@noob1n8or]

I never really considered Evermeans to be worth all this effort. It really is easier to just slap them with an axe when they pop up.

[@LionsShareYT]

Fair enough. I just think all the little details are fun to discover.

[@shinybugg9156]

I love muddle buds. I make the boss kill all the minions, then fight them

[@LionsShareYT]

Same

[@arielcuster6660]

@@shinybugg9156 me too!

[@SeeTv.]

Bonus tip: The map only shows real trees, so you can detect Evermeans this way.

[@LionsShareYT]

Oh, you’re totally right! I forgot about that. That would have been a great fact for my video. Oh well.

[@yourboiFluff]

Evermeans are yiga clan members so they don’t work with majors mask because they aren’t monsters they’re humans.

[@LionsShareYT]

Evermeans are monsters. They have a separate entry from Yiga Clan members in the compendium, and they drop monster extract. But not a bad thought. :)

[@BoneBeastKimimaro]

I'm gonna be honest, until this video I didn't even know they were called Evermeans. I just called them Treants.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@BoneBeastKimimaro as they should be called, but alas, copyright law.

[@jf5504]

Muddlebuds aren't overlooked

[@LionsShareYT]

@@jf5504 I mean, sure, not by everyone, but there are a lot of people who do. I even forget about them at times because my first instinct is to just fight, not use muddle buds.

[@thedoctoradvocate8562]

Oh I get it Evergreen

[@LionsShareYT]

@@thedoctoradvocate8562 sure

[@NiccoRae77]

i just set the trees on fire with Zoni flame emitters

[@LionsShareYT]

@@NiccoRae77 I mean, yeah. That works too.

[@GreenEyedDazzler]

0:07 😂 what is that from???

[@LionsShareYT]

@@GreenEyedDazzler I don’t know, honestly. It’s just a good meme.

[@undynesgaming9462]

Wasnt evermeans just yiga disguised as trees?

[@LionsShareYT]

No, that’s different. Evermeans are living tree monsters.

[@anonymoose6703]

Im convinced the Evermeans hate you for all the trees you chopped down in BoTW

[@LionsShareYT]

I love this theory

[@SmolFrogge]

I just use the camera mode to detect em

[@LionsShareYT]

Yep, that also works.

[@SmolFrogge]

@LionsShareYT Really I just like the logs for messing around with catapults golden apples and rafts.

[@Ethelberd]

I don't know if it's because of my hearing impairment, but I'm really struggling to hear you over the music

[@LionsShareYT]

@@Ethelberd Thanks for letting me know. Audio is an area I’m still working on. I will say, I think the mix is better in headphones than, say, phone speakers. But with your hearing impairment, I don’t know how much it would help.

[@kidakaze]

Evermeans are heavily implied to be Yiga in disguise. In one of the Yiga camps in the Depths is a diary that mentions disguising themselves as trees in order to mess with Link. This could also explain why Majora's Mask does not work on Evermeans, as they would not technically be monsters

[@LionsShareYT]

No, that’s different. There are actual trees that will turn into Yiga if you do something to trigger them. Evermeans are just monsters.

[@danielthecake8617]

Plus the Evermeans literally drop monster extract and special logs...

[@ic4nsh00t]

​@@LionsShareYT you mean yiga banana traps?

[@justinmillard8196]

The shouting at the start almost put me off, but I persevered to enjoy a great video.

[@LionsShareYT]

Well, I'm glad you persevered. :) Thanks for watching! Sorry the shouting was a bit much.

[@bobjob2514]

They’re reeeal sneaky if 1: you don’t know they exist yet… 2:you’re trying to sneak up on one of those oh, so tempting backpack bokoblins. 3:your volume is set low because you’re just so nice to your family 4: those punk little @#$&# @*#&$ get you your first game over from behind the #&@$*# camera!!! Yup. My first GO was from something that never even entered my screen. 😂

[@LionsShareYT]

Honestly, I feel this so much. It wasn’t my first game over, but I’ve definitely had times where I was playing with the sound off and didn’t hear an Evermean come up behind me to give me a good whack.

[@bobjob2514]

@@LionsShareYT And the only reason it KOed was because I had a single hit point missing and didn’t think I needed to heal it. I love that I’ll always remember that moment, because in hindsight… man, was that the perfect storm. 🌲😵‍💫🤣

[@maitremaitre9283]

There is an even easier way to detect them The camera will immediatly tell you if a tree is an evermean or not!

[@LionsShareYT]

@@maitremaitre9283 true. I probably should have mentioned it, but I figured that was easier to discover because you don’t have to pay close attention.

[@debramartinez1975]

When I figured out that the Everlast were yiga, I was incredibly disappointed that the name didn't change to Triga. Because that is an excellent pun. And I love it.

[@LionsShareYT]

The Evermeans are not Yiga. They’re tree monsters. Some Yiga do disguise themselves as trees, but that’s not the same thing. Evermeans are basically tree taluses.

[@lazlochatter]

Not to nitpick, but the sound mixing in this video is tough because the music is too loud and your voice is too quiet. It’s oftentimes really hard to hear the voiceover.

[@LionsShareYT]

It's okay to nitpick. It helps me get better. Sound is one of the things I'm trying to work on. In the past, I've had somebody help me with the audio, but I did it myself this time, and yeah, it's not perfect. Like I said, I'm working on it. Thanks for the feedback. Did you still enjoy the video otherwise?

[@KeenanFr]

lmao I knew all of them

[@LionsShareYT]

That's great! You've probably played the game just as much as I have then. :)

[@Big_Dai]

The sound levels in this video are.. attrocious.

[@LionsShareYT]

Sorry the sound levels didn’t work for you. It’s an area I’m still working on. Did you enjoy the video otherwise?

[@GreyMaria]

You market gardened a fucking tree.

[@LionsShareYT]

I’ll be honest-I don’t know what that means. But many evermeans were harmed in the making of this video.

[@FluffyEclairs]

I hate these guys 😡😡😡

[@LionsShareYT]

They are the worst.

[@FluffyEclairs]

@@LionsShareYT I wish they had been a new mini boss and the size of larger trees. They also should have been like a battle talus with the monsters on top.

[@LionsShareYT]

@@FluffyEclairs yeah. That would have been cool. Or at least have variations that are stronger and more formidable like Taluses.

[@ChillFaceMeatball]

Good video yes

[@LionsShareYT]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Kethra430]

Just axe 🪓 for me

[@LionsShareYT]

@@Kethra430 that’s fair.

[@Kethra430]

@LionsShareYT i usually have a fused one from a bokoblin boss or higher. They one tap those 🌳. Great video

[@LionsShareYT]

@@Kethra430 thanks! Yeah, I get that.