Fix Your Hockey Stop: New Mistakes

[@Lslings1]

I've been skating for about two years now and can do some intermediate to advanced maneuvers like backwards and forwards crossovers, and even a one foot outside edge stop, but as hard as it is to believe, I still have trouble snowplowing and engaging my inside edge on a hockey stop. My outside edge work is excellent, but my inside edge always catches. I attribute this to wearing skates that caused me to overpronate for my first year or so of skating, and it's plagued me ever since. I can't wait to try out some of these tips the next time I'm at the rink. Thanks as always for producing such helpful videos.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

You're welcome! If you skate fairly well and are good on your outside edge (which is not easy), then I think equipment could definitely be a problem as you mentioned. Overpronating will cause your inside edge to dig in, and you won't be able to snowplow.

[@HotTakeHQ]

I have been working on my skating. I started ice hockey seven months ago. Never played before. I can quasi hockey stop one way but I’m struggling to teach myself to stop the other way. But I can feel the tiny incremental growth and progesss. I love it but man whoever put hockey on ice, dang , what a wild move. On ice! 😅😅😅😅😅

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@HotTakeHQ Haha yeah it’s the fastest game on earth so that’s why people love it so much! And don’t worry if one side is better than the other- that’s totally normal!

[@tehedx]

Good advice, will definitely look at my angle. Maybe it'll finally snap in 😉 I'm happy to hear that your hockey stop video was a popular one. It's about safety. I don't play hockey, just want good control. Ice halls can be very crowded sometimes. The more people know how to not knock over others, the better.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@tehedx thanks. Yeah, if you can’t stop, it gets quite dangerous. Like a car with no brakes.

[@Kebin-Blebin]

To get used to finding the right blade angle on my weaker side, I practiced doing one footed snow plows and then pivoting the rear foot. Then once I got used to that, I switched to doing the real hockey stop, which means no longer swinging the front foot towards the front into the snow plow position, and instead doing more of a weight shift towards the front of the blades and pivoting the feet more in place. These movements are very subtle so being able to find the sweet spot and feel all the nuances is really helpful. Note what part of your foot feels your weight, how the blade sounds on the ice, the size and shape of the scrape it leaves in the ice. For context, I’m in my 30s and getting on the ice for the first time in 20 years, and I never really got used to ice as a kid, just roller. So, I was okay at hockey stopping on one side and needed to learn the other side.

[@pfinhulk6726]

Fresh new video right before researching, how lucky I am ^^

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

haha great timing!

[@Casey9999vr]

You can call me crazy but I run 1 ½″ (~38mm) and I love it. I am 5′ 6″ (1,68m) and weigh 159 lbs (72kg) but I enjoy the ultimate flexibility my blades (btw I also use the Shadow) are able to provide in any situation. I think sharpening is personal preference at the end of the day, but I suggest experienced skaters, who really know how to put weight in to the ice, to give something between 1″ and 1 ½″ a try. This is a very important topic in skating, which is very often overlooked. Thanks for the great video Marcel!

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

You're welcome! 1.5 Inch is pretty flat but I think that I could probably get used to it, even though I feel fine with 1 inch. It's just a matter of getting used to, and I also think the the steel used for the blade has become a heck of a lot better over the last 10-15 years, so the same hollow just seems to grip better nowadays.

[@aaronwhite1786]

The last video was huge in helping me finally get the left side stopping to work a bit better. Still working on getting it to a point where I'll instinctively use it in a game (turns out ~5 years of beer league hockey stopping only on your right foot forms some bad habits...) but it's at least getting there. I think part of my problem is that my skates are possibly a solid whole size too big (I did the test where you try to slide your finger down the back of your heel with your toes as far forward as is comfortable and was able to touch two fingers to the bottom of my skate) but at least I can get better while I wait on getting skate money together. Tolles Video! Vielen Dank, vie immer!

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@aaronwhite1786 Thanks! Yeah to big skates cause you to pronate. Too much pronation is very bad for smooth stopping

[@aaronwhite1786]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool As much of a pain as the first time buying skates was (tried to order online by myself before I knew better, quickly found out why that didn't work and then went to a shop where I was fitted for these) I'm almost to a point where I'm just considering saving up to get fully custom skates and hopefully avoid the hassle altogether.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@aaronwhite1786 Try finding a skate that fits great before you go custom. Most skaters don't need custom. Mine aren't even full custom, just a few very minor changes made.

[@aaronwhite1786]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool Thanks! I appreciate the suggestion! I definitely plan on finding the best shop and trying on everything possible. Hopefully I can finally get something that fits!

[@galdruslock6371]

Ankle strength too, plenty of exercises for that and for my older dudes there are hip exercises that help.

[@alaskadesign]

This video arrived at the perfect moment.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

That's great!

[@SaccoBelmonte]

Marcel: Please make a video about gliding to a backwards transition and gracefully high speed long general gliding as you often do. There are some guys doing some cool gliding while transitioning backwards in a "S" overall move that looks super cool (don't know how is called) and I always wanted to learn how to confidently glide looong and fast while not really stopping abruptly as a hockey stop. I know it is about what you described in this tutorial but I would love to hear your tips at high speed.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@SaccoBelmonte I’m not really sure what kind of transition you mean. Do you have a video of it?

[@SaccoBelmonte]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool I have been looking for it online without success. Say you're skating near the wall at the public rink (wall is on the right). Someone passes you on your left, skating forward, does a long clockwise glide and ends skating backwards in front of you.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@ check out the last part of my transitions video, starting around the 8:30 mark. Let me know if that’s what you mean. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKPYmayHgqlseq8si=I0DjYCwRy_thPxju

[@SaccoBelmonte]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool The closest I found was at 7:38. You were just repositioning yourself towards the camara with a slide to backwards skating. I mean that but taken to the extreme, going fast, sliding and ending skating backwards.

[@danw600]

Thank you for addressing the sharpening issue! I don’t know how 1/2” became the default depth but that is much too deep for any decent adult skater IMO. Shallower hollows allow so much more glide and forgiveness on stops and are less taxing on your legs. I’ve been on 3/4” for a while and feel comfortable. I recently tried 7/8” but felt my heel slipping when on my outside edge so am staying at 3/4” for now. For reference, I’m about 5’6”, 190 lbs.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

You're welcome. Actually I think when I was a kid even 3/8 was pretty normal- I have no clue how I skated on that (albeit I was lighter back then). At my age, 1/2 inch would be sooooo tiring :D

[@danw600]

Have you experienced any differences in how a hollow feels/performs depending on the steel quality? Like does a 1” hollow on a stainless steel blade feel the same as on black steel/DLC-coated steel?

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@danw600 yes. I find the DLC blades grip better so you can use less hollow.

[@danw600]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool that makes sense. I usually skate on bladetech stainless steel at 3/4”. The 7/8” I tried was on bladetech DLC. I think I’m going to keep trying it though as my legs were starting to feel fatigued towards the end of my game this past weekend. Or maybe 13/16” is the sweet spot I’m looking for.

[@SaccoBelmonte]

It clicked on me once I learned that with blades, the least you lean the more you slide. Also engaging the slide from a plow stop. Or engaging it from the toes, not the heel. I also changed from 1/2 to 5/8 RoH and that also helped.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

Glad I could help! Yeah a lot of people think you have to lean hardcore in order to stop. That's not the case at all.

[@GwenaelDAIME]

Hi Marcel, thank you again for this video. I watched all your video about hockey stop and more. I still have a slightly issue in a precise moment. I mean, how you engage your turn. Just before turning your hips, is your weight more on the front skate ( right skate on your video) and more on your front leg? Do you drop or lift your body to help your skate to turn? Do you engage your front leg inward? Thanks a lot and bonne année

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@GwenaelDAIME Hi, you’re welcome! It helps sometimes to lift your body before turning into the stop. This makes you “lighter” for a moment, allowing you to rotate your skates easier. My weight at the start will be more on my front skate and it gradually moves towards my back skate during the stop.

[@GwenaelDAIME]

@ merci beaucoup ☺️

[@SuperGogetem]

On a hockey stop, is it best to stack your skates together or to have some separation?

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@SuperGogetem a little bit of separation like in the close ups in the video. The faster you’re going the wider you’re stance will be

[@Zi0N98]

Thank you for these tips! The angle one is something i already figured out but there is one question. Is your weight more on the inner leg or the outside leg? because i find myself every time putting my weight more on the outside leg regardless if i stop left or right.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@Zi0N98 you’re welcome! Your weight will generally be more on the outside leg, but it will shift towards the inside leg during the slide

[@wernerkraft5936]

Ich hatte Jahre lang ebenfalls Probleme zu bremsen, da sich die Innenkante immer im Eis verhakte, und der Schlittschuh dadurch begann zu "stottern". Ich bin nach und nach mit dem Radius meines Schliffes nach oben gegangen (immer in 2 mm - Schritte), und bei 20 mm merkte ich, dass ich plötzlich problemlos bremsen konnte. Mittlerweile bin ich bei 22 mm und werde beim nächsten Schleifen einen noch etwas größeren Radius wählen. Es lohnt sich, einen größeren Radius auszuprobieren!

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@wernerkraft5936 Absolut! Man muss sich dran gewöhnen, und es in kleine Schritte machen wie du es gemacht hast, aber es lohnt sich!

[@davidnguyen_89]

i went for 2 skates last week, 3/4 tried to do hockey stop but didnt quite nail it. i was turning my hips to get used to the foot for the slide. i just sharpened my skates to 5/8 so should i be able to stop with that sharpening?

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

5/8 will make the sliding more difficult than 3/4

[@sway3rr]

hi i wanted to ask so when i went to go buy skates btw im a size 8 shoe size and so i asked to fit a 7 and it felt like really tight and the was a part in from of the skate that was like really really uncomfortable and then i ended up taking a 8 but my friend told me that i should take it back and get a 7 cause i was supposed to let them break in so now i dont know

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@sway3rr Generally your skates should be smaller than your shoes. I have size 10 shoes and 7,5 skates. That bit of a difference is fairly uncommon, but 1 size difference is normal and the skates should fit tightly

[@man-e-faces3242]

Ist das auch bei Inline skates der FalL? Weil egal ob weiche oder harte Rollen, ich drehe mich trotzdem.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

Nein. Auf inline Skates ist es komplett anders: da brauchst du ein krasser Winkel um zu rutschen.

[@man-e-faces3242]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool Ja, das ergibt Sinn, aber gut zu wissen, danke!

[@aloneinshadow6437]

If I try to hockey stop my outside edge keeps digging in

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@@aloneinshadow6437 are you sure it’s your outside edge, not your inside edge? Because if your outside edge digs in you keel over and fall flat on your face.

[@aloneinshadow6437]

@ yeah inside edge my bad😅

[@aloneinshadow6437]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool I kind of got mixed up with inside edge and outside edge but yeah, it’s my inside edge

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

@ like I showed in the video: less blade angle and a flatter sharpening. And from the first video: get more on your toes!

[@aloneinshadow6437]

@@MarcelsHockeySchool ok thanks

[@kingk4882]

Viele fahren sehr tiefe Schliffe und können es gar nicht fassen, wenn man einen flacheren nutzt. Viele denken sie hätten dann keine Kanten mehr, was aber nicht stimmt. Für mich optimal scheint der 22er zu sein. 25 hatte ich auch schon, aber bei meiner Gewichtsklasse ist 22 besser. Darunter würde ich gar nicht mehr gehen.

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

So ist es. Obwohl einen flacheren Schliff erstmals gewöhnungsbedürftig ist. Aber man muss es einfach ein bisschen Zeit geben und nicht nur nach 5 Minuten sagen "es passt nicht"

[@every1getready]

#73 … that’s my number 😎🏒

[@MarcelsHockeySchool]

That was my number too :)