[FIXED AS OF 0.1.1C] PoE2 Poison Skills Bugged!? No Rarity!?

[@hmmstve]

If you guys have any questions surrounding this or want more clarifications please comment and I'll reply when I can.

[@vkcprive4686]

hi Ty for the build and the video...just one question which lvl can i start to play the build ?

[@hmmstve]

@vkcprive4686 As soon as you can equip Queen of the forest. Believe that's level 54...?

[@IgorManenica]

love the new build update on mobaly. Profane ritual + resonance, sounds great, trying it now. however, Q: the cast on minion death setup for mapping : prof rit/contagion/impetus/overcharge - overcharge can't be used in that setup, it needs ball lightning or warp. i guess i can put in whatever i find, but i'd like your suggestion, you're doing great at this :D

[@hmmstve]

@@IgorManenica you put overcharge in there to simplify gem swapping for bossing. I'll likely be changing this setup to be, overcharge, skill echo, magnified effect, profane, contagion. Just to have even better clear. Still testing! Basically in order to have overcharge stay in there, just put in ball lightning, put in overcharge, and then change ball lightning out for contagion or profane, overcharge will remain in the skill links.

[@IgorManenica]

@hmmstve aa, it's convenience got it. No way i'd've guessed. Ty!!

[@alexander6105]

I wonder if we could tag those ES mobs with another skill/spell that doesnt suffer from this bug. I mean in order to circumvent the issue while still running this build. Idk if that would work?

[@alexander6105]

"Fixed a bug that would prevent kills with Damage over Time being assigned correctly to players, most notably any death to poison or bleeding while the monster still had Energy Shield at the time of death." noice

[@hexploit2736]

Hey bro, just a thought, would scepter with "grant skill: level 18 skeletal warriors minion" help with decompose dmg in this build? These are free skeletons that you can have along with the Brutes.

[@hmmstve]

This is where I remain uncertain. Having more minions to consume can lower your single target as you extend your "revive" timer from swaps and you cannot guarantee that your brutes are the ones applying the poisons. I personally don't think It's a good idea, but mainly because it hasn't been tested.

[@NakedBJJ]

Noticed this during Simulacrum when I wasn’t gaining emotions during rounds with energy shield. Pretty sad as my poison build can farm it easily

[@alexander6105]

Same for me.. and I mean its ok if its just one wave but when its several full waves or sometimes the wave bosses have ES, it really sucks :/

[@Omelet_Maker]

We do not know if poison affects rarity, when mobs have Energy Shield, that is pure speculation ( which based on the on kill effects on gear). We do have information from GGG stating they are looking into the issue; on their under "Known issues"; "Monsters not granting experience when they die while they still have Energy Shield such as with Gas Arrow or Corpsewade." If it does affect rarity then that would be really bad if you are running "Deadly Evolution" on the atlas tree and juicing your maps as much as possible. Especially since rares are your main source of higher tier, currency, and items.

[@hmmstve]

However, this speculation doesn't come without merit... We do know that player IIR is considered "on kill". We know this by simply checking our skill breakdown. It is being classified under "on kill effects" and we know for sure that "on kill effects" are not being applied to poison skills where enemies have energy shield. In fact, I would go as far to say that the "kill" isn't necessarily even happening, its simply true that its not counting as our player doing the kill. An easy way to test this would be to run white crypt maps for bosses with energy shield and without and determine how many tiered items you get across the two. If I were a betting man I would bet that you get much less higher tier items when the boss has energy shield.

[@Omelet_Maker]

@@hmmstve Absolutely. I am just hoping that they "fix" the other issues when they fix one they addressed. Would not surprise me that all this could be tied together.

[@cratola5952]

Thank you for the build! i've been searching for a build to farm simulacrum, do you think this build is capable of farming T4 simulacrum consistently? and how much divines investment to make it work nicely? thanks in advance!

[@hmmstve]

@@cratola5952 from the ground up from most important to least important, corpsewade, queen of the forest, +5 sceptre with max minion life and good spirit, high ES helm with + minions, high evasion gloves, rings, amulet, shield, jewels, from nothing, timeless jewel, against the darkness. I'd like to say about 30 div to get this off the ground but it could be more.

[@cratola5952]

@hmmstve Awesome, thanks! Do you think i can farm simulacrum consistently with this setup?

[@hmmstve]

@@cratola5952 once you've sorted your defenses out and have enough damage from decomposing your own minions yes. Because the problem is, you can't decompose delirium monsters. Look at my video for wave 15 simulacrum.

[@thanhlamle736]

I’m running this build and clear t4 simalacrum with ease

[@thanhlamle736]

Alll the mobs just run into poison and dies instantly . You just have to run in circle most of the time

[@skinwalkingxd2663]

woke up and its posted damn, man of his word - your wording implies that any poison skill is bugged not just decompose, am i understanding that right?

[@hmmstve]

@@skinwalkingxd2663 Correct. This applies to all poison skills that have no realistic way to remove the energy shield from monsters with a hit before the poison kills them.

[@uselessdd901]

hm, im trying to build this now, what do you mean with "Same amout of es" u mean the base ES? x)

[@hmmstve]

Yes, if your shield has 170 energy shield in weapon set 1, you need to make sure weapon set 2 also has 170 energy shield in your off hand.

[@lftop1774]

@@hmmstve what happen if they dont have the same es ?

[@hmmstve]

@ you lose energy shield on swapping, and since we are using chaos skills, you cannot "recharge" energy shield. So effectively, you lose health every time you swap. This is why you want grim feast both on set 1 and 2 and same thing with charge infusion.

[@lftop1774]

@ ok, if i can't do both on exact same es, they need to be close as possible right ?

[@hmmstve]

@@lftop1774 right. 1 or 2 ES difference won't hurt. But you should be able to do both at the same ES. The amount of items on the market is insane. You can search for this on the trade site by setting both the minimum and maximum ES to the number you need. If you see some items that don't have the right ES number being displayed, it's likely they are just missing quality.

[@soldierboy974]

Can I have a budget version of this build?

[@hmmstve]

@@soldierboy974 I had plans on making one... But I'm not sure how to make this budget friendly. I'll have to sit down and figure it out.

[@soldierboy974]

​@@hmmstve Thank you very much. I look forward to exploring it further!

[@SkirkCommander]

I just got 206% rarity on my decompose build and now i find out rarity is bricked vs energy shield

[@hmmstve]

@@SkirkCommander it's not too bad. Trust me it's not too noticeable unless you run an energy shield map.

[@alexander6105]

@@hmmstve I was thinking like this too at the start, but last days its been on my mind. I run maps juiced with more rare mobs and notice quite alot of them actually have ES. But maybe thats just me being unlucky so to speak.

[@IgorManenica]

Not abandoning my build for this. Es on monsters isn't super common, or is it?

[@hmmstve]

@@IgorManenica don't think it is no, unless again you're running simulacrum, you'll definitely have waves where you get nothing where you forgot to read and then wonder what happened.

[@IgorManenica]

@@hmmstve more than fine for me, tx. Q regarding poison in your build: for some reason i have 4 skeletal brutes to melt, but my scepter is +4 to minions, not +5 (it does have extra minion life though ,a decent 40%). You say in your guide if you can manage 3, it's better QOL . I guess 4 is better than 3, how about the missing +1 scaling, better to have more brutes with one less level or less brutes with the additional +1 ? Cheers

[@hmmstve]

@ When I mention "... if you can manage 3 it is better QoL" I'm referring to the number of minions summoned. Not the +# level to all minion skill stat on the sceptre. The more minion levels, the better. The amount of brutes you can summon depends on how much spirit you have.

[@IgorManenica]

@@hmmstve sure, totally got that, I was thinking about what's better in terms of brute level :) less brutes but higher minion gem level, or more brutes but one level lower. Just curious if you know what's better for the build, tx

[@hmmstve]

@ Gotcha, 4 brutes is definitely overkill, you should definitely value minion level more in this case.