Fixing BAD Games Workshop Minis with PAINT!

[@mommaneganhobbystuff2409]

Honestly, I got the box of catachans yesterday and I gotta say they're mich better than the painted examples make them out to be, to be fair, a few of their faces look weird (a bit like rocky after his boxing match) but the rest are superb Bitz

[@WehingSounds]

Yeah GW have a lot of questionable paintjobs on their website that really don't sell the models. I thought the Custodian Guards were terrible models for a really long time 'cause of their paintjob on the store.

[@PaintsAreOp]

That paintjob on the GW site is over 20 years old. It was ok in 2000, just look at early 3rd edition army books and a lot of paintjobs look that bad, but it's definitely not ok now. Especially the chestnut ink in the muscle recesses... yick!

[@bblue6473]

yeah totally i got a pack of tyrannic war vets a while ago and they look way better than the pics on the webstore

[@somebodysomewhere5571]

Questionable paint jobs in their site is especially true for the Lotr minis

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

I know someone who's painted all his Catachans as Apollo Creed for the same reason!

[@gregsmw]

imo the catachan look alright, the issue is that the GW paintjob on the website is one of the worst of any of their display pieces i am NOT a good painter and my catachan look better then theirs do

[@jasongarfitt1147]

same here. Don't know why they haven't updated the photo at least

[@s.k4713]

Seems to be the same case with the ol chaos crab defiler. Seems like a pretty good model with a really bad box paintjob.

[@guillercuastico]

@@s.k4713 The defiler is an excellent model. I'm surprised I rarely see it around kicking some a**. Im a loyal and proud guardsmen and sister, but I love my elder's defiler so much. The one time I played with his death guard I didnt hesitated to field it despite being only 750 pts per player (2v2, so 1500 each side).

[@s.k4713]

@@guillercuastico i really like the defilers design and will probably be getting one for my death guard. Its old but gold.

[@guillercuastico]

@@s.k4713 I dont think it looks old either. Some old models like the eldar vehicles, Land Raider or Defiler just need very small updates like the Leman Russ got back in the day. They are iconic vehicles. But could survive with none for 10 years still and look just great.

[@bag-manbaron2547]

I feel sometimes models just need a good painter for their display image since some of those models are actually pretty good

[@alexmacdonald257]

Out of every single KZbinr I've seen that does paint jobs you are the most thorough and the most detailed and you also talk about it step by step and show your work. Keep it up !

[@bugnazbinnyking1198]

Amen! 👍 I love how he really dials into the minis, and gives new love to old models. ✨

[@alexmacdonald257]

I like the fact that each of the human factions all represent a different country in some way in terms of aesthetic

[@BehappyBhairava]

There are no differences between countries and/or cultures The g.a.e will make sure of this Citizen of earth Consume

[@gameworkshop2707]

@@BehappyBhairava …What?

[@discipleofdagon8195]

​@gameworkshop2707 he's trying to be like "oh I'm just joking" but also "wake up sheeple" cuz he has no conviction

[@crusader8626]

I'm surprised gw didn't keep praetorians tbh cos they're british

[@frischebanane]

So catachans are Americans in Vietnam?😅

[@Mash_The_Sober_Satanist]

This hit me right in the "childhood" I used to play eldar and my friend played catachans, to see these upgraded almost 20 years on is fantastic. Great work!

[@SnakeHipsSimon]

I always get a real Small Soldiers vibe from these old Catachans

[@alecmcchesney]

Classic movie, loved it as a kid

[@joesturn7740]

Me: *smiling, taking notes to use for use on my SPQR Gaul army. Jay: . . . not some dumb historical. Me: . . . . now how's that supposed to make me feel.

[@groundbeef6156]

Ah thus is jays bias against historicals. Have fun recreating the ancient battles of our very own world.

[@rexrules8895]

As a player who does both historical and Warhammer, I now hate Jay. JK, I just like him a bit less

[@D00M3R-SK8]

The old IG metals are really cool. I almost bought a lot of Valhallan's a few years back, but they were expensive. They had everything though, all of the heavy weapons teams, etc. If you look out on eBay, you often find bundles of the metal stuff.

[@jorgeo8304]

Im trying to do the same but with the Armaggedon Steel Legion. lovely models for a perfect Veteran guardsmen Kill team.

[@thenerfkid9228]

Hey I was gonna do something similar

[@herculeholmes504]

3:55 Correction: _Casting_ has come a long way. The sculptors were kind of restricted by the limitations of spin-casting metal. If it won't cast cheap and easy, it's a non-starter even if it looks great.

[@JMACCSArmiesOfMiddleEarth]

That skin technique is incredible. Ive lost all my catachans somehow :(

[@DFloyd84]

Then their camo is working.

[@newtybot]

I just bought a box of catachan fighters this week! I fell in love with their Derpy faces, so I knew I had to integrate them into my custom Warhammer setting. I wasn’t planning on including the Militarium, but the idea of these commandos trekking through the titanic forests of Sagittarius II was too cool to pass up. That’s why I’m here actually! I wanna get some ideas on how to go about customizing them for the setting! I’m gonna be retrofitting their jungle attire to be more like scrap/junked Guardsman armor. I’m gonna be splitting them into 4 unified micro-factions; though they’ll all be on the same side, their attire and personalities will be different. Some will get a blood red paint job, some will get a neon blue paint job, some will get a forest paint job, and some will get more serious military paint jobs. Idk why I’m really telling all this, I think I’m just excited! Anyways, I’ll be using this video as a guide! So thank you! :)

[@garfusa2]

The metal Catachan snipers were the first models I painted and when I started. Ah memories

[@sealofapproval637]

The old catachan parts are a great source of bits for mutants. Their oversized muscles, strange proportions and awkward poses suit some misshapen renegades better than they do humans.

[@AcrylicJumbo]

I LOVE the old metal model, and I would love to see a video where you tackle on a squad of this specific metal range ! great video as always !

[@emmachine27]

Nice Paintjob for the Catachan. The funny thing when comparing Space Marines and Astra Militarum is. While their is one modelrange for all Marines, each chapter is restricted to basicly 4 Battlecompanies in the lore (+Veterans, Reserve and Scout Companies) while with Astra Militarum we have (or had) so many Modelranges and each Range could have thousands of armies. Astra Militarum is way more lorefrendly when creating your own army.

[@halkeye20]

the jungle fighters i got from hardcore miniatures are a great substitute catachan. and you get terry crews as a radioman

[@bretts2356]

Turd well polished. Good job, Jay!

[@ironbomb6753]

I like that you show an interest in the original metal figures Jay. Each metal fig has is a joy for me to paint. Soon, they'll be unobtainum. Also, your paint jobs are terrific, I dig them (especially your Malifaux figs) but...few gun finishes are just a silver metalic with highlights. There are many awesome colors to paint a future gun, dark green composite stock for example, blued barrels, or gray barrel, etc....jmo. Great vid, can't wait to see your Catachan Kill Team complete. 👍

[@jonathanscott5932]

Catachans we’re my first army when I was a kid. Still love them. I can’t believe the metal sniper sculpts are still in production. I still have a box of the last chancers. This inspires me to bust them out for sure.

[@artificeralf]

I really enjoyed watching this and seeing the potential. Been looking at my LOTR metal figs from 20 years ago and wondering how some of them will shake out when I apply my new paint skills to them.

[@philurbaniak1811]

These came out great! I see Rambo Plissken of The Bug Stompers, ready to endanger some species 👍😁

[@charlesramsey4247]

A big issue with the Catachan models is most people don't understand how to pose modular minis. They make the absolute goofiest poses ever and for some reason aren't bothered by it.

[@eoin4529]

I love the metals, they have proper deltoid and traps definition. They look proper muscular, where as the plastic guys just look a little inflated, no traps, odd proportions and a horrible arm/shoulder seam. They could have had the glue joint be where the arm meets the clothing of the tank top, but instead it's right on the flesh of the shoulder... I'd green stuff fix the issue if it was just one mini and not the entire horde.

[@Rx_Firm]

I now have a template to go off of. First time in 40K, chose Catachan well because they look cool and I like the lore a lot. Thanks for the video!

[@Grubnar]

A good paint job like this can make old models look great! ... or maybe I am just biased because I love 80's action films!

[@The_Watchful_Scribe]

Honestly the Tallarn can be sculpted very easily with some green stuff head wraps just no one wants to do that for an entire army

[@Materia-Hunter]

You did awesome they look so much better than the official website paint job.

[@dbergman23]

Fun story: I started collecting miniatures when i was 12 or so. I never got to go in person to the gamestore, and a friend would get them for me. Looking back i think he stole them for me, and used my cash for whatever he wanted. I painted for a few years, but felt like it was "too nerdy", so i stopped. Anyways, I started up an imperial guard army sometime around 2003 (got back from fighting in Iraq and had some extra cash). Well needless to say, that didnt hold my attention long then either, and I gave up after getting some paint on a few models. I've carted them around since then, moving about 20 times. I just pulled them out to go through them last night, and look who had the same models. Thank you for doing this as i am going to be taking on them soon.

[@herculeholmes504]

Maybe it's time to do a full from-scratch repaint - and a before and after photo?

[@fletcherpeatross4220]

I'd have painted the gun handle and butt a dark brown to give it some contrast on the gun and make it more in line with the modern look from Rambo/Predator/etc. And at least gotta try the eyes.

[@CharlesMarlow1898]

I like your paint work on these models. I prefer the plastics over the metals. I have a single box from 2001.

[@iapetusmccool]

Apart from the fact that they don't always fit together well, I like the way the Catachan kit uses weapons. It gives more freedom on how to build the model, means you can use the weapons as decoration, and makes it easier to kitbash alternative loadouts. The worst thing about the Jungle Fighters kit is that dome of the right arms are completely flat on the inside of the upper arm. (The other Catachan kits don't have this problem). My technique for painting them is: 1: optional Bugman's basecoat (depending on what colour I primed them). 2: basecoat in a flesh colour (Cadian or Kislev). 3: glaze with Reikland Flesh Shade. 4: repeat step 3 depending on how dark I want the skin colour. 5: layer or drybrush with flesh colour. Depending on how many coats of wash you use, and what combination of Cadian and Kislev you use, that gives a good range of white, tanned, or brown skin colours. For darker skin, I use the same basic method but using Agrax wash and varying combinations of Catachan Flesh, Mournfang, and Bugman's.

[@Renegade666]

the grenade launcher is a rare example of GW doing female sculpts for armies other than Eldar and SoB. In reality, they should have male and female options for all their guard kits.

[@WarlanderTV]

You forgot Tyranids, Tau, Necrons, and a ton of WHFB. Your assumptions lack history.

[@Flamethrower1942]

Plenty of female minatures, if you want female options the cost of the minatures would double you'd need female torso and heads and legs and arms options basically double the amount. Also if they made the sets a 50/50 split some players might not want half their soldiers to be female as some people ground their forces in real world where the vast majority of soldier are men .

[@Renegade666]

@@WarlanderTV stop being a pedantic drone. Obviously non-human alien races you can just say they're female or whatever the hell you want. Also I wasnt referring to AOS/WFB I was talking about 40k specifically.

[@Renegade666]

@@Flamethrower1942 Not saying 50/50. The newest Blackstone Fortress kit has some female cultists in, 3 I think out of around 10 models. I think thats a fair representation. All I'm saying is they should include at least SOME options. Jeez.

[@Flamethrower1942]

@@Renegade666 Why though? Why do modern young people today obsessed with representation in fantasy settings? Yes real world representation fair enough, but why on earth do people want to be represented in a dark grim world nobody can identify with, it's a fantasy world that's has 30plus years of lore etc . Whom is playing a nightlords army and saying you know what I'd really be immersed into these nasty sadistic guys more if some of these miniatures were female, or I know I love of bit of fascism I'd be all up for the Imperium of man, if it became the Imperium of people ✊. Plenty of woman are happy with the hobby as it is that are already into the setting. There are female whole armies in the lore so dose that mean we can have male sisters of battle too for representation fairness.

[@DarrenMalin]

I have loads of these. I painted them as a penal legion with orange pants and white T-shirts. Each squad as a old lead guardsman in a greatcoat painted as a Sergeant / Prison Guard

[@frozenfish7918]

Sweet vid. I was thinking of getting some jungle fighters.

[@simoncoulthard4137]

I can’t say I’m a fan of Warhammer, but there’s some serious talent and hard work on display here!

[@nak3dxsnake]

Damn dude. Tryin real hard not to fall in love with basic guardsmen at this point. So many badass options.

[@daiatnara971]

Those GW-painted photos may look ridiculous now, but I remember when they first came out - and we were all "What the heck is this goofiness?" then too. I never got any of them - the one time I was in a Guard mood, I repainted my old Escher gang as the command team of a Xenonia regiment, but just for display, they never had an army to go with them - but those were the days of plastic minis suddenly being awesome poseable multi-part kits like the 3rd edition Marines, rather than boring low-detail junk compared to the metal minis as they'd been earlier, so it's nice to see even this lesser example get some love, and turn out looking pretty respectable after all.

[@BielefeldHobbit]

Catachans, my First Army

[@Gingerbeardish]

Lovely paint job! I've always like the Catachan but agree the models do need an update. It would be great to get another video if you do get more or do that kill team.

[@MrNickatron]

DUDE your painting is always so inspiring!!!

[@Bluecho4]

Don't forget Wargames Atlantic, who are personally reviving multiple defunct Guard regiments in glorious, cheap plastic. For when you _actually_ want to field tons of troops, but don't have a 3d printer and don't want to bankrupt yourself on pre-made resin minis. Between their dedicated "Death Fields" kits, their various historical kits, and the "Death Fields weapon sprue", there are a wide range of armies you could field using _just_ WA's products. (Though you only sometimes get army-appropriate parts for commanders and the like, so you might still need to source these from Anvil or Victoria; unless it's the "Les Grognards", in which case the Heavy Weapons & Support kit has you covered).

[@matthewjongema1405]

They hold up much better when combined woth other kits. I'm kitbashing them with Cadian and Necromunda bits to make a Necromunda 8th army and I'm really happy with the results.

[@jonec.2402]

Personally I think the older sprues GW still sell are some of the better ones. Maybe nostalgia, maybe just not being interested in the busier designs of new models, but I think they're all great. They're charming.

[@KabinMiniatures]

Nice work! I feel this way about the Bullgors, the paint job really doesn't help the sculpts...

[@fro539]

Definitely not enough views for this man. Such a great video format with really good pacing.

[@JohnDoe-lr9yc]

Love them old sculpts. Wish I could buy one of those old 20 model boxes and have a relaxing evening of assembling but there is so much other stuff to buy and paint :P

[@Servus-Dei83]

this kit is brilliant

[@Therealblacktux]

as an Australian i can confirm that this is what it is like in Australia

[@nathanielcockayne2376]

This is soo good almost mesmerized

[@Ratstail91]

These look amazing!

[@Flarecobra]

I admit, if I hadn't already had a number of Cadians.... my Guard army would have been Catachans, given their big influence was Vietnam-era US Marines... And being a Marine veteran myself, well.... not much of a stretch as to why. :P

[@John_on_the_mountain]

Semper Fi! Rah!

[@codykrueger796]

I still miss all the other regiments, but thankfully you are right, the 3rd party manufacturers took out up our banner.

[@antonyleech2967]

Now I agree with some of your points I gotta ask how hard is it to remove the handle of a language it's on cut that's reaching a bit

[@MerKnight79]

The Catachans are a big part in the Indomitus Crusade story with Guilliman stopping at Catachan to grab Strakken and a bunch of Jungle Fighter Regiments after they had beaten back a chaos incursion. The Catachan command box and Heavy weapons teams aren't bad. The base infantry box definitely needs an update and a Catachan Devils Killteam box would be an awesome addition to the line. Until GW gives the Floristralians...Errr Catachans some love, I am going to stick with 3rd party like Reptilian Overlords Spacenam and Anvil Industries bits to field my jungle fighters...Until that is, I get this sculpting thing mastered and make my own stls lol Great work on the classic minis. very much an improvement

[@daili4917]

I'm a simple guy, every time that face and stock scream appeared, I laughed. Also that was a great paint job!

[@connor9024]

Zenethal and contrast paints are for real the most satisfying way to paint

[@TheJoeTeam]

I don’t know, but I love these guys!!!!

[@ViktorJ957]

I saw Catachans, I gasped and clicked! I’m excited! (Addition now that I’ve finished the video.) This is making me think of snapping my boys off their lame bases and doing them your style. And I definitely need to go back on their skin. Not that I was a crap painter, I did quite good, but I’ve been painting more since and I have more skills to apply. Seeing this has given me more inspiration to go back to them. But for now I’ll continue to paint my original character jungle boy’s most hated faction, the Drukhari. Since I have the Rusty Nurgling to compete in.

[@setnom321]

I will always love those chunky catachan sculpts

[@godofthearena6380]

How man times do I have to teach you this lesson old man!!! Paint some commissars!

[@brynstarre]

1:10 - and yet they get 'upgrade sprues' of physical bits for each Loyalist Founding Legion, GW didn't even make it so that the Krieg kit could be easily used for Valhallan, Armageddon and Vostroyan regiments. And the "you can always use third party bits" is a cop-out as that forbids you from using them at most official events. Part of the high cost of the figures is the ability to use them at stores, tournaments, etc.

[@mancman-bu4kz]

im just getting back into warhammer and want start yjis army but where can i get old models like this tried everywhere online but ppl selling at ridiculous prices

[@Bobyoudontneeemyname]

I know this is an old vid..but in case anyone needs to know the style the skin is painted in the gw pics is a specific style that has been used deliberately in historicals for years to emphasize physical proportions when grouped. The idea was it made for more visual interest on table rather than close up

[@marlonmorris8245]

They look awesome!! I love Catachans!!

[@JonarusDraconius]

They need to do with the Guard what they did with Space marines - Come up with a generic 'base form' (Cadians), and then make 'upgrade packs' like they do with the various unique chapter bits for Primaris. This way, they'll have a 'core range' that can cover everything, but they can do the add-on stuff much more cheaply, with upgrades rather than full kits (apart from the occasional special character or whatever).

[@tombombadil9338]

Fantastic paint job. Rumours are out that GW is starting to refresh IG troop lines. First Krieg, now it sounds like they are going to put out new Kasrkin models.

[@Dudem8m8m8]

I run an OOP catachan army. The model range I’ve used orlocks as mix in

[@alessiodecarolis]

Good! I'd always tought that with a good paint job also a not exceptional mini can be saved, and this clip show it well. I never bought these minis, too cartoonish for me, as others from GW, but your painting was really astounding. Why don't try some conversion with newer models such as these from Stargrave or W. Atlantic?

[@jtmurphy9241]

Lol I love how the white box is old mobiles when 1/2 of a night haunt armies come in 3 labels boxes.

[@CocoHutzpah]

Cadians weren't always Starship Trooper ripoffs, the metal ones were Colonial Marine ripoffs. I do hope GW comes out with 2 or 3 modular kits that can build several regiments of the Guard.

[@Grubnar]

You can actually do quite a lot with nothing more than a different head & colour scheme.

[@mrklebber1]

Nice job mate - definitely an improvement on the GW originals 😂

[@sprootown]

Truly a challenge...they were cool when they came out....just the concept rocked.... think Platoon... 👍 Well, a good job!

[@acrossthetabletop5486]

Looking amazing buddy

[@allavlad4353]

when he zooms in into the first catachan in the image and puts a screaming sound makes me laugh

[@daveeol1987]

They look great especially the metal one. would love to see you do that kill team of retro catachans

[@ManBeastBear]

Horrors long forgotten = obsolete plastic toys. I love the hyperbole!

[@chibizion]

I recently started Catachan and after thinking about it, I suspect that GW only keeps them around because they're a predominantly plastic range while all the culled regiments were metal.

[@robbied8587]

Catachans are awesome -- look at thename generator in the 2019 kill team, it's stuff like "snake eyes" and sh*t, please do show us your kill team and let it have a missile launcher and melta-gun just like that hapless squad eaten by a lictor in the 2nd edition tyranids codex! Also great video and an interesting lesson in how more contrast is *not* necessarily a good thing after all, thanks a lot

[@themidwesternboi9399]

Honestly I think it’s mostly the paint job on the box that makes them seem drpee but once you give them a good proper paint job like this they look really nice

[@jasongarfitt1147]

I'm really annoyed that those characters were both limited edition and came out during the pandemic to make them doubly hard to get

[@willjacobs7779]

They both do look pretty decent, I think the biggest problem with them on the webstore is the awful clogged up paint style that's been done to them. A bad paint job can make a miniature look really badly sculpted (see nearly every infantry units paint job on forgeworlds store). But yes a bad sculpt can absolutely be fixed with a paint job. That being said i'm not sure this is exactly what I would describe as fixing something with paint, using glazes and contrast paints kind of lets the mini paint itself (sort of) so its actually the sculpt doing a lot of the work, not the paint, but I do think a more minimal paint job works a lot better than what GW did, I can only assume they used a hose pipe to apply it. It would be really cool to see how far you could push yourself painting up a Catachan though adding details with paint to improve the miniature itself. Also yeah they don't have the prettiest faces but they do live on a death world so with all those poisonous man eating insects, plants, animals and probably swimming knives on Catachan you likely consider yourself lucky if you've still got a nose and ears.

[@kuhvacako]

isnt PVA glue better for sticking down cork?

[@miniquibble8282]

This video, more than any other, made me realise I should just suck it up and buy the damn air brush. V. enjoyable watch!

[@joesturn7740]

Start with a rechargeable portable airbrush! That's what I'm learning on and it makes jumping in a little more palatable.

[@davidnewhouse3271]

Just a note on Cadian Shock Troopers, they have been around longer than the film Starship Troopers. I’m pretty sure the metal range came out in 1993/94! Who copied who eh?

[@jasonmolenaar119]

The book came out in '59

[@davidnewhouse3271]

@@jasonmolenaar119 hence I said the film!

[@Ducknuck84]

I like old minis there's a charm to them that sometimes is missing in modern ones. I think the main issues is GW kind of not letting you know these are old casts on the site.

[@bumbletub1314]

I love episodes of “Jay paints a thing”!

[@squidly162]

I love how they came out!

[@SeeSebastian]

this is gonna be an all-timer warhammer vid

[@markhanson9508]

Is that a catachan? Or a necromunda orlock?

[@robertlaforest3291]

you forgot that Sly Marbo is standing above audrey 2 from little shop of horrors

[@annasstorybox7906]

Well... I yust started out mid 2020 with Imperial Guard (haven't played yet but I enjoyed painting and being creative with the decorations on my heavy weapon teams base). Ichoose Cadians... I went for darker color scheme than the boxart since I had that distant dream of mixing in Deathkorps one day and make up some background story why they were fighting alongside each other... With the DKoK Killteam I got to start working on that plan and I see myself playing Killteam before my first game of 40K since there is still no clue when the guard codex will be out... Yea, so I think one can get away with a lot of modifications and individual designs on guard models especially with the new set of Cadians that has additional Heads. While a lot of the imperial soldiers are definitely indoctrinated, soulless human beings without any individual traits that just march along like stiff tin soldiers there are a lot of parts of the lore that indicate at more layed back companies with both hot shot newbies that want to impress their fellows but also hardened veterans that have scars an individual querks and get away with modifying their gear and uniform... So yea... I'm looking forward to making this mixture come alive with a overall color scheme for clothing and parts of the equipment as the one unifying element...

[@thra-x1855]

they came out ok i think, certainly better than the studio army.

[@hyosworld109]

To be fair Cadians were before starship troopers, so they must have been ripped off of something earlier lol

[@Warghoul]

They look great!!

[@joshuaharvey7505]

Sly Maebo is also flanked by AudreyII, the man eating plant from Little Shop of Horrors 🥰

[@03dashk64]

The shade on historicals 😭

[@venkelos6996]

I think they came out nice. Personally, I've never been that big of a fan for Catachan; Rambo and Vasquez don't do it for me, and the same anachronistic look of them, next to other factions of the 41st millennium, just aggravates me, much like the Atillan Rough Riders. I've always preferred Cadians, but I assume since Catachan are more popular, since their rules often seem better, they'll stick around. It's a shame GW doesn't really support kit bashes and custom minis, anymore, because they could really have some diversity. Oh well.

[@TrippyTheShroom]

I had never heard of the Macabian Janissaries but man, if GW released a kit for that I would probably kiss my wallet goodbye, I love the way that art looks!