Fixing Odin's Biggest Weakness

[@trxscreed]

The whole German BB line is frustrating. They're supposed to be these tanky brawlers, but b/c of their huge superstructures eat full pen damage from everything. To top it off, their main guns are shotguns. I went up against 2 Pommerns in my Georgia last night and sank them both. Was fast enough where they couldn't catch me to use their torps and I just sunk my shells in their superstructures that gave me 12k a salvo..... GG WG.

[@taserrr]

It's not just that, it's that no BB is capable of tanking and brawling properly. They should promote brawling and going aggressive but instead we get stupid commander skills that improve damage etc. Why not add something along the lines of: Reduce repair party cooldown by 10% for every spotted ship in your secondary range, increase the heal for every ship within 10km etc.

[@antoniohagopian213]

The problem with odin is the yolopens on the superstructure. It takes so much hp while you can't do shit about it.

[@vtr0104]

It says in its description it was supposed to precede the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, and those have the same issues. Even with a narrow hull and good armor, any shot to the superstructure just arms and there's so much (the Gneisenau even gets that annoying hangar bay in the back) that even stray DD shells set you on fire constantly...

[@JD-kl8hz]

main guns on Odin have always been trolly. I always leaned torwards the "let them push into me while I kite away" since the torp angles are so good to the stern and the butt cheek armor is pretty solid. Still love the ship tho. She made not be the greatest but she is a 10/10 in the looks department.

[@Just_som_Ottur]

The “butt cheek” armor is probably one of the best things I heard for somebody describing the part of an ship XD

[@Carbapenem1917]

Yeah I couldn't believe it when I heard that it had 2.0 sigma.

[@Maraudmania]

@@Just_som_Ottur I love the ship except for the HP pool

[@JD-kl8hz]

@@Maraudmania yeah it was depressing they nerfed it so hard, but tbh don't think of it as a BB. It's a tanky close range Alaska or a Graf Spee the way she should have been best if used in support of a "real" pushing BB like Bismarck/Mass

[@Maraudmania]

@@JD-kl8hz I agree. As my ONLY high tier premium until this week, I have played a heap of ships in it as a credit earner. However it's such a struggle street ship to be in when playing in Tier 10 games especially. Commander Rework just about nerfed it into the ground as well. It's better now obviously

[@vampirecount3880]

13:02 I had this feeling the other day. Was also against an NC. I was bow in, in my S.Soyuz and this dude, an 700 battles, 40% win rate legend, just crossed in front of me in his NC, showing perfect broadside, slowly cruising and shooting me from 12 km away and i couldnt punish him for shit. The dude was doing more DMG to me, bow in than i was doing to him full broadside. And to humiliate me even more, the dude turned back, all the way he came, now showing his other broadside. I bet in his end he was yelling "Can't Touch This".

[@codyshann]

He's taunting and dancing like MC Hammer with his "You Can't Touch This" music. Yep! I feel yah!

[@Welterino]

13:30 Wargaming's games have the magical capacity to frustrate you, even if you win

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

This is quite clever. You're using Odin's lack of HP as a plus, getting its HP as potential damage in an Odin is easily done. 😂 Odin secondaries are good, except I don't like the angles. You have to show an uncomfortable amount of side to use them all. But I am certainly gonna try this build, thx. 👍

[@Omegawerewolfx]

I've been using Odin like a cruiser. I'm always looking to use islands to isolate myself from opposing fire and I try to time my pushes with other events on the map. That way I'm not an obvious target to anyone besides the nearest red ships. I'm reliant on spotting so I know where to go for the best results. I'm having a ton of fun with the secondaries and torps. The guns, they work when they want to, so i take what I can get. For the one point skill I am using the alert for incoming shots over 4km away, mainly because of all the camping we still see. It stacks with my efforts to try and limit exposure to red ships beyond the opponents I want to fight. Stealth build Odin might have been needed in the Dead Eye era, but now.....not so much if you're going secondary build, you're going to be visible to someone most of the game.

[@DEATHRAGE157]

Potato, the console version of Odin has more hp than the pc version, and its one of the best battleship in the game.

[@SkyRaider-31]

Trade off is the secondaries only go 7.5km full build but you get more hp and faster loading guns so..

[@DEATHRAGE157]

@@SkyRaider-31 well now that haruna has been released, with porcupine + hipper + haruna, you can have like 8km range secondaries and 5 heals + will to rebuild

[@DEATHRAGE157]

@@SkyRaider-31 with my build with brawler + 4th reload module i have a 15 second reload on my odin

[@SkyRaider-31]

@@DEATHRAGE157 I have a full secondary build on mine

[@DEATHRAGE157]

@@SkyRaider-31 well i am testing a hibrid build on some ships, with von hipper as a commander with jaujard and haruna inspirations i can get my odin with 7km range secondaries, and my bismark with 9.2km range secondaries, and having a decent accuracy on main guns as well good secondaries is really great, i hope that when we get Azur Lane Bismark, she could offer some hibrid perks, i would love to have porcupine and marksmanship Perks.

[@VuHien2011]

The captain skill only improves the cooldown time of the heal, not how much you can heal. Because by the time you accumulate a significant amount of potential damage, you already used up several of your heal, the impact of this skill is insignificant.

[@Ace42x]

Not all incoming potential damage is equal: Using Odin's hydro (especially with improved vigilance) to dodge torps will net you massive potential damage whilst dealing absolutely 0 damage to you (and thus consuming 0 heals) for example.

[@doge4818]

I just played this build and damn! Makes me love odin again

[@jimk8592]

Which of all he posted?

[@eragonrank5303]

Your Anti-Concealment? BB build is so much fun, had a game where my GK took 4M Potential, it was glorious. Wonderful use of the new Skill PQ, love it!

[@kevinthechuker1721]

Wow I wish I got Odin but I just started the game when it was in the dockyard but dang seems like a strong ship, learned today that it has even longer range secondaries then Bismark and Tirpitz

[@GrachLP]

The only problem I have with the Odin are the fireingangles on the front 2 secondarys on either side. I always feld like they should have a fireingangle, when in fact I have to turn quite a bit more. Otherwise I really like the Odin. Its one of those "Tanking" Ships which doesn't rely on its health to be tanky. It just feels so good bouncing shells in the Odin. And she is one of the few ships which were new, unique AND balanced. Kinda nice overall

[@kps_versatile1415]

I am really enjoying Brisk + concealment (12km) + secondary build. Odin really became solid with the new update

[@mernyr]

The weakness(es) of Odin are the terrible hp pool, the reload being a tad too long for guns that get no overmatch capabilities and have trollish accuracy, the secondaries are okay but they have terrible firing arcs are too few to give a good volume of fire that secondaries need plus they gat broken pretty easily, then there’s fires and the superstructure… lolpens and bbq from any shells that hit the ship. Finally there’s the fact it’s German… it seems no matter how hard you angle in German bbs they still eat 5k+ salvos while any other nation (Russia primarily) can angle and laugh as they bounce and shatter everything. It needs a few tweaks but the secondary buff was needed.

[@RyItar]

So true.I was playing my Montana and enemy had a GK that had good position and cross fired my team.Started shooting his superstructure and got meaty 20k+ salvos there and with our Marceau HE spamming him he left that position.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

the rear armor is stronger then the bow armor (90mm vs 60mm), if you want all 3 guns on your foe, kiting away is masterful in the oden, especially with those rear facing torps.

[@maxmustermann1111]

gotta admit, i cant rly perform better in those heal-builds generally speaking. Its so much more difficult and delicate not to eat too much damage early on. However i adapted it on thunderer and thats just borderline broken. Since i dont have secondary, it can run FP, extra heal AND conceal on 4pointers. and then with consumable mod instead of conceal mod its still at 13.7km conceal wich isnt even half bad. you trade some conceal that you rarely need at all for insane heals. after some range fights your heals are pretty fast online, you have 5 of them and they heal over 20k. wicked sick

[@vestal896]

our Secondary king is back, love the vids bro keep it up! xD

[@Ace42x]

New skill "Furious" - any possible viability on full legendary reduced-fire-duration Montana? Zombie-heal RN battleships? New "Outnumbered" - any good on Cheshire you think?

[@hond654]

Cheesy Sir has very low DPM and it is hard to fix.

[@Ace42x]

@@hond654 I've not tried putting outnumbered on it yet, and I don't play it a lot, but I nearly got a Kraken with her yesterday despite (due to?) having to play VERY balls-out due to passive and unhelpful team-mates. The concealment lets you get close enough to DDs to get a good surprise volley off if you're supporting a DD - so the HE alpha and high chance of module damage is kinda useful before the enemy DD breaks detection. And slapping the hell out of enemy DDs early on is often decisive in terms of winning. My main issues with Cheshire is that the Zombie heal is too hard to use - gotta be very confident to let your ship get WELL into a one-salvo danger zone before popping over 20ks worth of healing. The innaccuracy on the guns is a significant issue though, and one that outnumbered would seem to potentially address.

[@wilhelmt.muller170]

I think putting it on Kremlin or other Soviet BB might be a fun choice, using one of the weakness(?) of Kremlin to fix its slow reload is fun

[@hond654]

@@Ace42x I am interested how it works out for you. I use TopGradeGunner but still very unhappy about DPM. If you are top tier, she is OK, but T10 usually deletes you faster than you can pump out enough damage to contribute.

[@Ace42x]

@@hond654 The match in question's up on my channel now. It's nothing special and there was a lot of suboptimum elements (low skillpoint captain, misplays from me, passive teammates, getting focussed by their CV), but a win's a win even if it's a bit ugly and unimpressive. It's not a match where Outnumbered would've had much impact though, given the small map size and team-mates trying to use me as a human shield. I guess there's some value in her being a bit like a substitute DD too in terms of concealment and tolerable torps.

[@danielsherrill7085]

I kept getting frustrated with the pen of the guns on my Scharnhorst, so I played a game in Vermont and caught a GK broadside at 8 km. 40k damage in one salvo and I felt better instantly. But all that aside, has anyone else been having trouble getting any hits at all on some salvos? I was 10km from a broadside Buffalo in my Iowa and every single shell missed. I even took the little bit extra time to aim properly and got nothing. And it seems every other salvo I fire doesn’t go where I aimed. Not even close. Am I the only one experiencing this since the last two patches dropped?

[@mihaitha]

There *is* damage to be had here. And don't call me Shirley.

[@nadtz]

Is it worth getting Lutjens if I like the brawling BB's considering it would pretty much wipe out my coal to do it? I have Odin and Pommern which are probably my favorite ships and am grinding to GK now.

[@Trblmkr07]

Love the new secondary rework.

[@Officer_Boat]

Hey there internet, I’d like your opinions. Classic question. Slava or Ohio? Background. I have Georgia, I play 90% or more in randoms, I’m not looking for something to dominate T10 ranked. I love Georgia, but I don’t know that I feel compelled to spend all that time regrinding lines on a Georgia with an extra gun, and extra secondary DPM. Yet, I love the in close, brawling type play. Slava appeals to me because of the consistency of the guns. I too am driven nuts when that parked, broadside NC 10km away escapes your salvo with one citadel and a couple over pens and the rest of your salvo going who knows where. The Slava gun performance just speaks to my heart on such a deep level. Yet the memery of Georgia/Ohio secondaries also speaks to my heart. Thoughts appreciated.

[@remibrosseau-fortier6880]

Hum, if you pick Slava, you won't be able to brawl at all. It's only good at sniping, forget tanking at medium/close range or brawling. The question is : which is more important to you, sniping or brawling ? You could watch videos about both ships to gather more information and ultimatly make your choice. I hope I helped you !

[@Officer_Boat]

@@remibrosseau-fortier6880 I’ve watched plenty of videos, but I’m so grossly indecisive right now with it because this has been…. A year? Of regrinding lines and the last thing I want is to go “Aww man, Slavas nice I guess…. I just wish I got Ohio” Or “Awww man Ohio’s so nice, but I’ve already got this experience in Georgia, I should’ve got Slava for something that’s truly unique to me” Know what I mean? Thanks for the input though!

[@Ace42x]

@@Officer_Boat I went Slava just because it's very different to the other Rusky BBs - and thus provides a new experience; whereas I've already got Georgia and Montana which offer a similar experience as you noticed. They're both fine choices, I gather - although I get the impression Ohio's more useful as a decent all-rounder whereas Slava's more of a one-trick pony (but boy, what a trick).

[@Officer_Boat]

@@Ace42x well said, thanks for your input!

[@paulnemeth9246]

That skill is probably going to be good with the new German battle cruisers

[@TacticalBeard]

This ships magic 32mm pen secondaries are what make this ship so fun and usable. Because German BB dispersion is so bad

[@ingocernohorsky]

What is that green light above an enemy ship? Some mod?

[@petrosmarko3092]

This ship looks sooo fun. Wish I had gotten her...

[@faroffg2186]

Just asking, i secondary build my pommern is it good to take ifhe or not ? Because i feel like this update secondary was good for german

[@siriusczech]

not needed on Pommern, but just check pen values in port. If it states 32m, you are ok

[@soopahsoopah]

How do you position your Navigator mod (angle indicator)? Mine is stuck in the middle of the screen but I'd like to offset it like yours.

[@Ace42x]

I have mine offset - in Aslain's installer there's a radial button below that mod's checkbox that specifies which screen-position you want the mod to take up once it is installed.

[@soopahsoopah]

@@Ace42x so not in ModStation?

[@Ace42x]

@@soopahsoopah I don't use ModStation because there's a few cosmetic mods I like from Aslains and the two are incompatible. If there isn't a separate entry for the offset version of the mod on Modstation, I assume that it isn't available from it.

[@Ace42x]

@@soopahsoopah Wouldn't know without checking out modstation. I assume not - another reason I prefer Aslain's is because it offers greater choice between similar mods too.

[@Tibsbb]

I think the skill would be amazing on Richelieu as well.

[@Ace42x]

I'd be more interested in seeing how good it is on Gascogne - it already has faster heal cooldowns (so could go either way) and a better secondary layout.

[@redzed9405]

odin secondary firing angle is just too bad for a secondary ship

[@kbeceamibala]

the problem with odin secondaries are the shooting angles, not the dpm or the range...

[@suburbanview]

SORRY POTATO Q, I wont keep watching your videos. I just deleted my Account and the game from my computer. Its my small contribution against a Company teaching kids how to gamble, and the other stuff. THANKS FOR THE GOOD WORK IN THE PAST, I really enjoy your videos!

[@ronyar7900]

Does anyone have the link to reset all captains? I don't want to go through 20 or so captains

[@jos1p_steam]

Can you do a review for Agir?

[@Marlow05]

Love those testing videos

[@atticusstewart5096]

Legends Odin has 62,700 hp

[@sinjin90ful]

there was not much damage, and don't call me Shirley

[@Dominus_Potatus]

on paper, Odin is great. But somehow it always eats AP at weird angle. I don't know if there is bugs on the armor or the shape of the armor... That'swhy this ship is... weird But this is

[@cyberwar5579]

Is this a premium ship? I dont have it in my game

[@PANTSYRS1]

this ship has just the name for him ^^

[@fiokak1506]

i'ts just that Colorado in my eyes is the second best tier 7 battleship, only Nagato is better.

[@bushyfromoz8834]

Think BB's need a damage reduction on their superstructure across the board. IM mfrequently taking 10-15k hits with AP through the superstructure while angled on multiple ships. BB tankability is just not there. The class is gine in all other respects, just they have no staying power when confronted with small calibre spamming rounds

[@Ace42x]

That's only going to be the first salvo or two, surely? Damage saturation will reduce the damage your superstructure takes as you take incoming fire - so once you've healed up that initial damage you'll be taking a fraction subsequently. Are you pushing in too aggressively / early and thus getting burst down before you and team have a chance to secure a crossfire and thus nuke the enemy?

[@jaysonnunley6602]

My first odin game was today got 256k which is also my dmg record which is my second highest dmg in game

[@samuelmcdonough3605]

Could you do Kii. It’s a fantastic solo ship. you don’t seem to give IJN 2nds any love.

[@Ace42x]

IIRC their low base range makes it way harder to get value out of them. I've got both the Warhammer Amagis, so had a spare free to just go pure secondaries on it. In theory it should be ok because its 2ndry guns are comparable to Massas IIRC, but the low range means I've seldom been in a position to make use of them so far.

[@Sock-qv9wr]

Just got ohio. I'll just say that the main guns are SO good I don't even wanna play Vermont anymore.

[@dariuszwysocki7801]

How is possibile to buy this ship??

[@HAVOK-xh1yo]

I'm new to playing on PC an I would love to purchase the odin does anyone know when it is available for purchase

[@TacticalBeard]

Odin was a build event ship. Idk when or if she will ever be available again

[@lmaogottem5984]

low tier brawling is quite the adventure rn

[@BIackCadillac]

Amazing armor until you remember Tirpitz and Bismark exist with better armor and have far more HP.

[@rildain76]

Odin makes that sacrifice for better secondaries and getting hydro AND torps.

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

I do think (and have been saying almost since I got her) that Odin is underpowered. Compared to Pommern one tier higher, the difference is just insane. Odin should at least have battlecruiser accuracy to compensate for those peeshooters. Aegir has the same guns but those go roughly where you aim them, with Odin it's anyone's guess.

[@KartikoKurnianto]

Return her 62k HP back

[@steved2719]

11 inch guns, you should use HE

[@i4y]

WG: careful now, salty whales get +3% RNG

[@lost4356]

Odin should at least get US improve heal consumable

[@harrisonturner1401]

dude finally!!!

[@droidmotorola3884]

Am so early wg hasn’t nerfed German ships yet.

[@demian7567]

don't call him shirley

[@jamesharrington001]

Ship eats funny pens/cits? Must be a German ship... Trust me on that, I'm still trying to figure out how my Agir ate a cits through the nose from a Jean Bart...

[@siriusczech]

maybe through the funnel?

[@TheRioJesus]

Shame you can’t buy it anymore cuz “muh dockyard”

[@greyklipse]

I’ve played the Odin many times and the armor is over rated as you have experienced.

[@Maraudmania]

It’s the enormous superstructure that takes full pens on a small HP Pool BB. Stupid.

[@roythedon4413]

hehe the console version is so powerful compare to this, with 18sec reload and 5 heals(my build)

[@breehoyt1426]

Can you do a freddy video please?

[@graigphillips1538]

I used the set up from his Pommern video for the FDG and it worked very nice.

[@zzman1490]

Less HP means less fire dmg, so that’s something positive

[@poopsie117]

I mean straight up no, because fire damage scales anyways. The damage number doesn’t matter lmao, its the percentage it takes away from your total HP pool. For example, taking 10% of ur 52k hp pool vs taking 10% of ur 97k hp pool has the same effect on your ability to stay within the fight.

[@zzman1490]

@@poopsie117 it’s still less damage, which is what I said….

[@Ace42x]

@@poopsie117 You're mistaken, I'm afraid. Your ability to stay in a fight is determined by your real health (how many salvoes / torps you can eat before being deleted) and thus general tankiness. Consider how much time it would take ships to deal AP / HE damage to a Kremlin equal to the amount of HP consumed by one fire; and then consider how much time it would take ships to deal AP / HE damage to an Odin that equals the amount of HP consumed by one fire on it. A fire whose total damage equals one incoming AP salvo from an enemy cruiser, spread out over however long, is less of a concern than a fire whose total damage equals a couple of minutes of sustained damage from some truly big guns.