Fixing the D&D 5e Battlerager Barbarian | Nerd Immersion

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@MakeVarahHappen
@MakeVarahHappen 5 жыл бұрын
The fact that no one has referred to this as the Barbed-barian is a massive disappointment.
@AzhiOnline
@AzhiOnline 5 жыл бұрын
I think one of the features there should be as you get higher level is the rust/blood accumulating on the armor doing additional damage. If I recall correctly Pwent's armor was rusty and prone to give people tetanus... just a thought but great ideas!
@jonathanrodriguez6756
@jonathanrodriguez6756 5 жыл бұрын
Not to mention it creaked constantly, should have disadvantage and then some on stealth checks after constant use and no cleaning.
@MakeVarahHappen
@MakeVarahHappen 5 жыл бұрын
I like how close you were to this subclass. I like all you fixing series but you can tell how passionate you were about this.
@L0THGAR
@L0THGAR 2 жыл бұрын
Just had to say thank you! Finally justice for Thibble Dwarf Pwent. I was so excited when I saw battlerager and was so disappointed when I read the class descriptions... Your rework sounds amazing and I cannot wait to try it out.
@captainthorrek262
@captainthorrek262 5 жыл бұрын
The Battlerager was from 2nd Edition Complete Book of Dwarves. Wizards should have read the book before making the class. Real fun class to play. While raging, the DM kept track of your hp total, and you were only allowed to know that you were having a great time. After raging though, it was entirely possible for your character to drop dead because all the benefits turned to penalties due to reality catching up
@KevinVideo
@KevinVideo 5 жыл бұрын
Even just the 3.5 PrC would have been a better choice. Granted, the penalties you gain from Charisma-based skills was stupid back then too. Glad that got turfed.
@Stabu
@Stabu 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite race in 5E is a hill dwarf and I've played it as a barbarian, a cleric, a sorcerer, and a wizard. I was excited to hear they got a new barbarian class and after reading through the "elf wizard" I expected it to be equally good. I glanced through it once and realized that the AC alone makes this class shit and hence never bothered to look at it again.
@kenneth6989
@kenneth6989 5 жыл бұрын
When I first got into DND this was the first class I fell in love with the cuz I was just pushing myself in jumping out and saying I'm the Juggernaut bitch They really need to do something about that armor something damn
@atomicash2475
@atomicash2475 5 жыл бұрын
If they wanted it be medium armor they should had made it based on half-plate, not scale mail
@alhrune
@alhrune 5 жыл бұрын
yes! love the Dritzz books and was so happy they added this subclass until I read it. Glad the love is being shared.
@anthonynorman7545
@anthonynorman7545 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I've read the battlerager a few times and always thought it was underwhelming. I like this
@Rexir2
@Rexir2 4 жыл бұрын
Here's how I'd change the Battlerager: Level 3: Spiked overcoat instead of armor. Costs 25 gold to acquire, can be worn over armor during a short rest or donned like a cloak (can be used with Unarmored Defense). When used with magic armor, the damage caused by the spikes becomes magical. Grappling or being grappled causes damage equal to your strength modifier (minimum 1). Other abilities of this feature stay the same. (Features from a single class really shouldn't conflict with one another, and the scaling helps in higher level gameplay.) Level 6: Temporary hit points gained equal your constitution modifier plus your proficiency bonus (minimum 1). (5 or 7 temporary hit points per turn won't matter much against the expected incoming damage at higher levels.) Level 10: When you use your rage and as a bonus action on later turns while you're raging, you get to dash. (Simple quality-of-life fix) Level 14: When hit by a melee attack from 5 feet away while wearing your spikes, you can automatically inflict your strength modifier to the attacker as damage (minimum 1). (QoL: no rage required. The damage change is subtle, but meaningful at 14th level; most barbarians would have a strength score of 20 by this point; 24 at 20th level. This feature should compare and contrast with the berserker's Retaliate; A berserker typically swings for about 15 damage with a chance to hit with a Brutal Critical, while a multiattacking enemy by this point often swings 2-3 times and minions often swing once each. Berserker is generally better for a solo boss; Battlerager for a minion horde)
@refinedbrass
@refinedbrass 5 жыл бұрын
dude ive been wanting a good fix for this subclass a while now that included all races im obsessed with goblins and Minotaur thanks for this ever since i saw a mtg kill-suit cultist card i wanted to make a green ball of spikes and anger
@typoko
@typoko 5 жыл бұрын
My experience in playing battlerager from level 5 up to 16: 1) AC doesn't matter. Your thing is using reckless attack. You just get hit. If something hits you it isn't hitting someone else. 2) Try to get adamantine spiked armor. You'll get critted a ton when you always use reckless attack. 3) Dwarven Fortitude (dodge to heal feat) is extremely potent as battlerager as you can stay raging while dodging as you can do the bonus action attack even if you don't take Attack action. 4) 3) is super nice if you happen to get a Periapt of Wound Closure 5) Grappling extra damage is garbage, but grapple + push to knock down is a good tactic. 6) 14th level feature Spiked Retribution is extremely annoying for everyone involved. Having to remind about it all the time is tiresome and interrupting.
@typoko
@typoko 5 жыл бұрын
About the Spined Ravager's Bristling Fury... it will be a doozie for the DM to keep track from the start of the game. Numbers-wise the Spined Ravager feels rather strong when I have felt that the base Battlerager has been decent already. Theme-wise much nicer tho. I also like the addition of spikes to existing armor. This way you don't have to rely on character specific loot to be given out to get something useful. My barb had to make his adamantine spiked armor as a downtime action.
@TheHaven923
@TheHaven923 5 жыл бұрын
A man after my own heart. Everything you put is exactly how I play. I have the periapt, I have commissioned a set of adamantine, and I treat my low AC and high HP as a boon and a resource. I get Dwarven Fortitude at 8th level because I got Tavern Brawler at 4th. Only beginning 14 DeX opened me up to raise wis and I'm considering training for the ritual caster feat (cleric) so I can cast ceremony to make the finest dwarven holy water. I wield a lance flavored as my helmet/head spike. Only really use it on the opening attack then switch to fists
@TheHaven923
@TheHaven923 5 жыл бұрын
The class is a ton of fun to play. Literally throwing yourself at every enemy and embracing the battle lust. It could use a bit of a tweak (like the shredding attack while grappling) but otherwise it's a decent subclass and amazing grappler. It falls behind when compared to the bear totem or ancestral guardian, but the flavor is its own joy.
@typoko
@typoko 4 жыл бұрын
@Niklas 98 Oh yeah, the feat from XGE is called Dwarven Fortitude and not Dwarven Resilience.
@typoko
@typoko 4 жыл бұрын
@Niklas 98 Xanathar's Guide to Everything, Racial Feats, Page 74.
@tranquility7826
@tranquility7826 5 жыл бұрын
Would like to see a storm herald barb rework/ fixing because that class seems really underwhelming to me
@atomicash2475
@atomicash2475 5 жыл бұрын
@@hopefulmayhem5744 blizzard is only really good is you got another 1 or 2 front liner with you
@tranquility7826
@tranquility7826 5 жыл бұрын
Hopeful Mayhem the problem with the storm herald comes from the tundra and desert flavors because especially the tundra is literally useless it’s like two temporary hp to all allies or with the desert they do 2 damage to anyone within 15 feet of them but the sea flavor is actually pretty ok
@marcperez2598
@marcperez2598 5 жыл бұрын
@@hopefulmayhem5744 I dislike that mechanics just because it locks you at your choice at level 20, simply because you reached max when you were used to being able to shift. I'd enjoy it being a long rest change
@Rodrik18
@Rodrik18 5 жыл бұрын
@@tranquility7826 the tundra variant is a decent tank as those temp hp are "effectively" doubled due to resistance from rage and you can get them every round; the later bonus of reducing a targets movement to 0 is also nice for keeping ppl away from squishies. Fire is decent aoe damage as you have to consider that, while it is a small number it is applied to potentially many targets for "free" each turn. Consider going scourge aasimar and grapple-smashing the big target while the minions either run or melt
@mofire5674
@mofire5674 2 жыл бұрын
Barbarians aren't allowed to utilize heavy armor for a very specific reason, and this revision unfortunately completely disregards that balance in favor of thematics. Barbarian rage is balanced around the fact a high AC is difficult to pair with it. Barbarians are MAD because it's the only way to keep rage in check, paired with their massive d12 hit die. Being able to take a 3 level dip into this subclass to rage in 18 AC plate is completely broken. Simply allowing battleragers to convert magical or otherwise light/medium armors into spiked armor gives them some scaling, without it being too easily abused.
@gabrielseller6434
@gabrielseller6434 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I've just missed it (If I have I'd really appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction) but I would really like to see a fixed four elements monk. The subclass concept is really cool and is just packed to the brim with great flavour, but it's just so lackluster it hurts me. Perhaps bringing it more in line with something like the Eldritch Knight or Arcane Trickster as 1/3 casters (This is how I refer to them anyways) but drawing form the Druid spell list instead. That was the first thing to come to mind but I'm sure there are other great options as well.
@joshh7819
@joshh7819 5 жыл бұрын
I think a good point would have made the spike dmg increase with levels similar to monk attacks. Start with d4 @ 3 d6 @ 6 d8 @ 9 d10 @12 and cap at d12 @15 I'd go with this since you get better knowledge and experience to more effectively use the spikes on the armor
@Dutchofclass
@Dutchofclass 5 жыл бұрын
Mate thank you for fixing the battlerager. I loved Pwent too and this fix is what I was looking for :)
@joshuajohnson7984
@joshuajohnson7984 4 жыл бұрын
Had a chance to try this out and it's really fun. Can't wait to take it into the higher levels. Thank you!
@MakeVarahHappen
@MakeVarahHappen 5 жыл бұрын
The shield bit even lets you use Unarmored Defense with Spiked Armor! That's a max ac of 24 with two weapons!
@MakeVarahHappen
@MakeVarahHappen 5 жыл бұрын
@@hopefulmayhem5744 I think you misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that "spiked armor" includes shields, so the major flaw of dual wielding shields to get a +4 AC on top of unarmored defense (only being able to make improvised attacks because you don't have an actual weapon) is gone because of the shields now doubling as a weapon.
@MakeVarahHappen
@MakeVarahHappen 5 жыл бұрын
@@hopefulmayhem5744 Well I misread the players handbook, but you would still have 22 AC meanwhile by your calculation you would have 20. Unarmored Defense maxes out at 20 while plate armor maxes out at 18.
@jonispatented
@jonispatented 4 жыл бұрын
@@MakeVarahHappen Unarmored defense on a barbarian maxes out at 22 not 20. Level 20 barbarians get a +4 to strength and con and the maximums increase, too. 10+5+7=22. Add a shield and that's 24, still.
@omok2
@omok2 5 жыл бұрын
I've been reading the books as well and love pwent, thank you for taking the time to bring life to a really fun subclass
@davidrenner6112
@davidrenner6112 2 жыл бұрын
Had watched a video from another channel discussing how poor the subclass was as it is written. After seeing this, your video popped on my feed. I like how you have reimagined the class. Great ideas and actually makes this seem worthy as a barbarian subclass.
@xylemicarious
@xylemicarious 5 жыл бұрын
I definitely like this and think it's a good step in the right direction from the SCAG version. I feel like you might have over tuned it slightly in places though... I'd want to compare it side by side with the other barbarian subclasses before I used it. BUT making a lot of its features scale is awesome and necessary. Good work.
@smartninja000
@smartninja000 5 жыл бұрын
You should make a pdf with all your fix it changed and then update it every time you post a new video. That would be really nice 🙂 keep up the good work
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
it's on the list!
@Stabu
@Stabu 5 жыл бұрын
I would love this. Would be even better if Wizards would publish it as a separate book that could be used in official play.
@KARGAAN
@KARGAAN 4 жыл бұрын
I'm definitely using this version. I think it has a lot of potential and works well with this Barbarian juggernaut style play. It's like a wolverine juggernaut mixed subclass. Very well done 10/10.
@thecharmer5981
@thecharmer5981 5 жыл бұрын
I’m a huge fan of the crown paladin from that book
@AndrewChumKaser
@AndrewChumKaser 5 жыл бұрын
Turning barbarian into a grappling death machine. I like it. Huggies.
@minine6508
@minine6508 3 жыл бұрын
God this version sounds BRUTAL. I love it
@VictorGonzalez-zv6kv
@VictorGonzalez-zv6kv Ай бұрын
You could also milestone the armor. Once they hit a certain level the spoke attacks just count as magic. Like monks get with their little fists
@IAmGrimmX
@IAmGrimmX 5 жыл бұрын
Well I'll be a bearded Gnome if this isn't overdue!
@ODDnanref
@ODDnanref 3 жыл бұрын
I think they made it medium armor so you could benefit from rage. If it was heavy armor, rage does not benefit you. You can rage while wearing heavy armor, you just don't get the benefits. So that requires a small change in the phrasing.
@Mackinz92
@Mackinz92 5 жыл бұрын
I don't have an issue with race restricted classes, specifically because the way they are handled in the sword Coast adventurer's guide allows for other characters of other races to become those classes, while specifically stating that these classes are dwarvish or Elvish in nature. It is a soft race restriction, not a hard one.
@Rodrik18
@Rodrik18 5 жыл бұрын
Adventurers League and many dms would disagree.
@Mackinz92
@Mackinz92 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rodrik18 Well then many dms are wrong.
@Rodrik18
@Rodrik18 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mackinz92 but not adventurers league? The ones who are "wrong" are wotc for putting a restriction on the subclass. Its nice flavor to say a specific style of magic or hero came from a culture, but they put a mechanical block on the subclass which stifles groups who run "by the book" as well as give a dm all the firepower they need to deny a subclass/race combination that otherwise would be fun. Im not saying that it is *right* that people enforce the restriction, im saying that *they do*.
@TheHelpful2
@TheHelpful2 5 жыл бұрын
Thought that was a DND version of Rhino the villain on the Thumbnail. Haha...
@Bwall12493
@Bwall12493 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, I play a dwarven battle rager and have never been disappointed in how it plays.
@LesbianWitchAcademia
@LesbianWitchAcademia 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy the idea of making the Battlerager really strong, as it's such a limited subclass. Some people might think that the final feature is far too strong, but it's gonna be extremely limited on who can even be affected by the feature. For starters, to even grapple someone of large size you need to take Grappler, so that's a feat taken to make this work, and you can never grapple anything larger, so many endgame CR monsters are just going to be straight up immune to it, since they will be of huge size or larger in most cases. The idea of a Half-Orc Barbarian doing that Iron Maiden-esque hug and murdering someone brings me great joy.
@drewforchic9083
@drewforchic9083 5 жыл бұрын
You know, I think I might actually design a character with this version of the class now. Never even bothered with the official one.
@TuckBolt
@TuckBolt 5 жыл бұрын
This would be very similar to the warforged juggernaut prestige class in 3.5. I'd love to play this as a warforged.
@davidmsmith268
@davidmsmith268 3 жыл бұрын
I want to play this next time I make a character is a heavy fighting campaign but I will be asking the DM to allow some changes that actually make it usable. Thanks for the info!
@Troommate
@Troommate 3 жыл бұрын
Great rework makes it so much better :D
@firebringeraxel
@firebringeraxel 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the shout outs! If anyone bothers to come down here to comment land and liked the content you can find even more Spiked Armor subclasses, feats, and even a Warlock Pact on my site as well torchbearergaming.wordpress.com/tag/spiked/
@bronzedragon18
@bronzedragon18 Жыл бұрын
What about Unarmored Defense? Maybe I'm missing something here but I suspect that with spiked gauntlets and spiked bands elsewhere that would qualify as spiked armor for the subclass since they offer some protection, maybe equivalent to studded leather and yet it's not really armor for UD purposes. Thoughts?
@TheAusturtle
@TheAusturtle 5 жыл бұрын
But what is the point of having a spiked shield? Perhaps update the "charge" so that if you choose to use a shield for the extra AC, but wish to use it in tandem with the charge that the shield must be a spiked variant.
@rubyseverinwhitworth9066
@rubyseverinwhitworth9066 5 жыл бұрын
With it hurting you if you are not proficient you could make a band of people in this type of armour as a punishment from a holy order for fleeing a battle (Moving Iron Maidian horrific I know)
@devious_shelf8334
@devious_shelf8334 3 ай бұрын
I know this is an old video but I think it would be neat to see how your fixes would change based on the 2024 PHB changes.
@357Dejavu
@357Dejavu 3 жыл бұрын
I’d think a good addition would be if any armor the battle rager had on, grew spikes the first time you rage in it. Make it the level 3 ability.
@kevinkimble6022
@kevinkimble6022 2 жыл бұрын
If you wanted to make a Pwent version of the Spined Ravager (unarmed combat) Which feats would you recommend? Any order?
@chadbodine336
@chadbodine336 5 жыл бұрын
Pwent is one of my favorite characters too!!!
@joshthomas4821
@joshthomas4821 2 жыл бұрын
Is there somewhere I can find this written out to show to my DM?
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 2 жыл бұрын
Literally in the video description: torchbearergaming.wordpress.com/2018/02/04/path-of-the-spined-ravager/
@kelkamer630
@kelkamer630 4 жыл бұрын
I kinda like the idea of race restrictive classes but also really like DMs not being overly stingy about breaking the restriction
@renanfsmelo
@renanfsmelo 3 жыл бұрын
So, if a party member touch me for healing he takes damage. Is it right?
@KrisTheGreat359
@KrisTheGreat359 5 жыл бұрын
I really never liked the SCAG, they should really of gave us a full campaign setting for FR. The Sword Coast has been done to death, give me some Thay or Mullholrand even just Calishman would do.
@xiongray
@xiongray Жыл бұрын
Pact of the Blade can select this if it were Magical. Improved Pact Weapon increases its damage.
@VictorGonzalez-zv6kv
@VictorGonzalez-zv6kv Ай бұрын
I wonder if the Dwarf only rule has to do with the fact that most people would die if they drank the gutt-Buster brew … What if that charge attack damaged people he ran past as well ? That would be something.
@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar
@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar 5 жыл бұрын
The race restricted classes just never were worth the restriction
@TheLawOverwatch
@TheLawOverwatch 5 жыл бұрын
This would be a great UA style buff. It feels pretty bloated for the 6th and 10th level stuff but after testing to clean it up this is would be leagues better.
@sonichalo1527
@sonichalo1527 5 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the scag, but the majority of the subclasses were extremely weak. I went through and buffed all except the Storm Sorcerer, Arcana Cleric, and Mastermind/Swashbuckler Rogues.
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
And all of those got reprinted in Xanathar's, so Wizards clearly thought they were all strong enough as is
@sonichalo1527
@sonichalo1527 5 жыл бұрын
@@NerdImmersion Arcana cleric didn't Sunsoul did, even though it isn't as good as it could be
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
I always forget that Arcana wasn't reprinted...that's dumb
@TaraBaileyTgirl
@TaraBaileyTgirl Жыл бұрын
using heavy armor dose mean you lose 5th level fast movement. which is why i think they wanted to keep it medium?? also i think they wanted this subclass to get hit a lot dealing damage when you get hit is a interesting mechanic. but there's no reel good weapon options in 5e. you want a hand free so one handed weapons or versatile options are your only option if you want to grapple or make a weapon attack with the armor but versatile weapons' aren't heavy so no great weapon master. i opted for a war pick and shield instead with the piercer feat and dwarven resilience. looking forward to playing with it
@craigstueber8073
@craigstueber8073 4 жыл бұрын
Pwent in the books says he wears scale mail armor.
@FineGuy96
@FineGuy96 5 жыл бұрын
Is this on dndbeyond??
@novakaine6927
@novakaine6927 2 жыл бұрын
Duergar battle rager, enlarged spiky boi
@en5080
@en5080 9 ай бұрын
To fix this with my Dm we agreed to use my Natural armor as a spiked armor because im w Lizardfolk covered in thick sharp bone spikes so i get the unarmored defense bonus and the spiked armor defense and bonuses too, we did this to fix the battlerager shit with the armor and complement it with my race
@sergioarrieta
@sergioarrieta 5 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a fixed Berseker version.
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
It's on my list!
@elgatochurro
@elgatochurro 5 жыл бұрын
Have you tried simply sleeping off the exhaustion?
@KrazyFlower
@KrazyFlower 5 жыл бұрын
Berserker is weak, but it isn't as terrible as people think it is (I played one in AL from 1-20, spent my money on greater restoration scrolls) The major tweaks they need is to let them sleep off an exhaustion level on a short rest and let their level 10 ability use a STR based DC like Battlemaster instead of using CHA. The biggest thing that people don't realize is that Frenzy is one of the only abilities that allows an bonus action attack without taking the attack action or using another ability to key it off like casting a spell. This means that the berserker can use Intimate Presence to keep someone scared and then hit them with their bonus action. The WIS save is only on the first use and they can't get out of it until the get out of sight of you. There's also a bunch of other actions that a berserker can do, like grapple or shove or dash to get to somebody. Plus their level 6 and 14 abilities are amazing. Immune charm and frighten is a big deal for someone with low wisdom.
@elgatochurro
@elgatochurro 5 жыл бұрын
@@KrazyFlower "weak" *laughs in extra raging great axe hit, 3 raging great axe attacks at lvl 5, 4 if given haste, can easily sleep off exhaustion or be healed with lesser restoration* Yeah... uh really weak... real weak that one...
@KrazyFlower
@KrazyFlower 5 жыл бұрын
@@elgatochurro Exhaustion is a greater restoration heal, but I agree with you. Getting GWM is just icing which makes berserkers humanoid buzzsaws. It allows a level 8 to solo a young red dragon.
@xreaperxiii
@xreaperxiii 5 жыл бұрын
The original battle rager did not wear any armor. The complete dwarven handbook for second edition had the original battle rager. I loved the Drizzt books, but he fucked up battle ragers.
@TheTonester1231
@TheTonester1231 3 жыл бұрын
Wait, 1/2 cover gives you +3 to AC. 3/4 is +5 to AC. So with heavy armor, that turns a 16-18 to a 21-23
@sath2749
@sath2749 5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to offer some thoughts to this path. 1st I will say I like what you did it honor's Pwent. That being said I think I would tweak it a little. Instead of 1d8 damage for the spiked armor, I think it should be 2d4 piercing. I know this is pretty much the same thing but my thought is you are not hitting an enemy with one spike but a bunch. Also, spiked armor training should allow you to use your armor as a double weapon, meaning you can choose to take a bonus action to make an attack with your off-hand. This just makes sense to me cause you have 2 arms covered in spikes. I have a question about Barbed blitz. Why does it do 2d10 extra damage? I can see an additional 2d4 (or 1d8 if you don't like my idea.) But I don't see the reason charging in this way would do an extra 2d10? Also, I don't understand why "Keep your enemies closer" ability "shake vigorously" deals 8D8? This is not a complaint but a question in reasoning. Is it because you are giving up all your attacks to do this one? 8D8 seems like a lot. I guess it makes sense, just was wondering the reasoning. Overall I would play this version. I just really think you should consider my Idea about the spiked armor and be able to make an off-hand attack as a bonus action.
@superdwper9164
@superdwper9164 5 жыл бұрын
You could use the unearthed arcana class variants. The fast movement the barbarian gets can be swapped out with the instinctive pounce.
@kody_dryden-conway
@kody_dryden-conway 5 жыл бұрын
To be honest I really hated the battle rageer before
@themonkeys96
@themonkeys96 5 жыл бұрын
So major things that I think ate overlooked: 1.) You looked at the class through the lenses of someone who's read the books and wanted a certain effect or bust. As I read the class, I didnt see a ton of problems. 2.) Your play with the battle rager was in the one area most unfriendly to it. Any other homebrew DM could remove the restriction, throw some magic spiked armor at you, and even allow the spikes to be on any medium armor, thereby making it stronger than unarmored defense as the highest medium armor is 15+ dex max 2. I dont know of anyone who would bump dex at any speed when it comes to barb and you're not missing anything for con because the 15 already matches the +5 max con. Add any magic abilities or bonus onto the armor and it outpaces it. 3.) That remake is REALLY loaded. You're almost encouraged to just not wear any armor, making the requirement of using 2 hands for the final ability a non factor. Adding the proficiency bonus to the temp HP would allow for an effective 22 HP every round against bps damage. Also, thematically, across all barbarian subclasses, if it's tied to combat, its tied to rage. This breaks that convention for nothing more than wanting to pull off what Pwent did in the books. Overall, the few minor issues present in the current subclass are almost immediately remedied with a few changes from your DM which are in no way world or balance breaking.
@BossTripp1
@BossTripp1 5 жыл бұрын
This is much better....
@BossTripp1
@BossTripp1 5 жыл бұрын
I would also give them a slashing claw attack.
@joshuajohnson7984
@joshuajohnson7984 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you ever attack with your 1d8 armor when you could use a versatile 1d10 all the way up until level freakin 14 before they start taking grapple damage? And even then, your versatile weapon matches the 1d8 while swinging one handed. the late addition of grapple damage and lack of the bonus attack kinda turn me off of an otherwise amazing rework.
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 4 жыл бұрын
Because the level 10 ability only functions with armor spikes. And the integrated armor as a weapon is entire point of a battlerager
@nathanbrehm1085
@nathanbrehm1085 Жыл бұрын
I think 8d8 is too high for something you can do every turn. 3d6or8 seems more reasonable than being a barbed version of a good fireball
@KevinVideo
@KevinVideo 5 жыл бұрын
I'll be curious to know how much you dislike the purple knight by comparison. As a 3.5 player, it's hard to distance myself from the 1d6 damage I'm used to for spiked armor and agree to the 1d8 instead. I don't fault you guys for it. As for the price and weight, I agree on the price, but the weight should only be 15%, not 25. Yes, it's a lot of spikes, but but it's also not. But I guess you could argue that the damage increase mitigates the weight increase. I don't know. Again, hard to distance myself from the original write up of spiked armor and shields. Overall, it's a good change. I agree that the race restriction is dumb. They didn't keep the elf/half-elf only restriction for arcane archer, so battlerager staying dwarf makes no sense.
@illoney5663
@illoney5663 4 жыл бұрын
Technically, you can Rage whilst wearing heavy armour...but you gain none of the benefits from raging.
@davidotoole2853
@davidotoole2853 4 жыл бұрын
being perfectly honest i always mess this up with the berserker barbarian
@BossTripp1
@BossTripp1 5 жыл бұрын
Can you fix the Goliath next? Lol, a Goliath Battle Rager....
@exqueue3813
@exqueue3813 5 жыл бұрын
One technical issue: you declare reckless attack at the start of your turn, every round. So the way this is worded you get renewed temp HP every single round. If that was the intent then battlerager is the single best meat shield in the game, on par with the capstone regen some subclasses get. They should probably get the temp HP con mod times per long rest.
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
That's by design, Temp HP doesnt' stack, so you'd be resetting that Temp Hp every round. Again, as it stood in the OG battlerager, you still got Con Mod temp HP while Reckless Attacking and raging, we just made it a little stronger. I've ran a campaign with someone playing one of these for 67 sessions, while it is strong, I still wouldn't consider it overpowered.
@ianmorse9381
@ianmorse9381 5 жыл бұрын
@@NerdImmersion It's Heroism without concentration for free, forever. Alternatively, you could compare it to Fiendish Resilience, in which case Reckless Abandon has better action economy. It's important to remember that Totem Warrior gets resistance to all damage and Berserker gets immunity to Charmed and Frightened.
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
@@ianmorse9381 well heroism, that doesn't grant immunity to fear and gives the enemy advantage on attacks against you
@exqueue3813
@exqueue3813 5 жыл бұрын
@@NerdImmersion It certainly feels more powerful than some capstone abilities, as you're weighing it with the addition of reckless attack's disadvantage, which is factored in for every barbarian not just battleragers. Reckless attack is already balanced. Renewed 11 temp HP for no action cost every round while raging and 5 while not raging is better than 10HP regen if you're below half HP, for instance, that Brute gets at lvl 18 fighter. The previous caveat was that it was weaker and it only applied during rage. You've essentially given them a powerful capstone at lvl 6.
@ianmorse9381
@ianmorse9381 5 жыл бұрын
@@NerdImmersion Touche.
@Raoul9753
@Raoul9753 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, a 20 ac barbarian thats also taking half damage from most attacks while being able to go full strength sinde dex isnt needed at all sounds perfectly balanced
@joshspadeicey1473
@joshspadeicey1473 8 ай бұрын
Bladesinger wizard got reprinted in TCoE, and had its racial restrictions completely removed. I know that this is an old video, so this comment isn't meant to be a 'gotcha' thing or whatever, but I did think it was interesting.
@crazyscotsman9327
@crazyscotsman9327 5 жыл бұрын
I really want to see a rework of the Berserker. My thought was to just increase the Barbarian's number of attacks in an attack action. So a 3rd level Berserker would have 2 attacks. A 5th level+ would have 3. That would be the main alteration I would do for Frenzy. So it keeps Duel Wielding being a viable option for the berserker, it keeps the chance of a crit with Great Weapon Master useful, and it also allows you to use it on the same turn you Rage. And as for Intimidating presence... Idk man I have no idea on how to fix that.
@Rodrik18
@Rodrik18 5 жыл бұрын
Intimidating Howl When you reduce a creature to 0hp, all creatures within 30ft of you must make a wisdom saving throw (DC=8+CHA+proficiency) or become frightened of you for up to one minute. Creatures can make a save at the end of each of their turns to end this effect early.
@crazyscotsman9327
@crazyscotsman9327 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rodrik18 Not a bad idea and your idea gave me an idea. Furious Roar, While the Berserker is raging he may use his bonus action to let out a roar that frightens all creatures within 30 ft. Dc 8+prof+stre or be frightened for one minute. Creatures may make a save at the end of each of their turns.
@TheFolros
@TheFolros 5 жыл бұрын
Has anyone added this to DND Beyond's homebrew section?
@firebringeraxel
@firebringeraxel 5 жыл бұрын
Please do not submit other peoples work to D&D Beyond.
@BossTripp1
@BossTripp1 5 жыл бұрын
I would make it so this Barbarian couldn’t use weapons while raging. Pwent never used any weapons maybe enemy body parts, but that’s it...
@chuckallerston9997
@chuckallerston9997 5 жыл бұрын
Was so disappointed in the sword coast book
@antoniopanser1
@antoniopanser1 5 жыл бұрын
fix bladesinger please!!!!
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
It's on the list!
@firebringeraxel
@firebringeraxel 5 жыл бұрын
@@NerdImmersion Good luck. I wouldn't touch that mess with a 10' pole
@jakestavinsky3480
@jakestavinsky3480 5 жыл бұрын
Personally, cover is fairly annoying to deal with. Id make it all attacks have disadvantage until start of next turn.
@woj_kal
@woj_kal 4 жыл бұрын
It becomes a lot stronger tham other barberians. A think it gose a bit to far
@dnahines9477
@dnahines9477 5 жыл бұрын
The problem with you wanting to rework the armor into full plate is the barbarian class features that specifically say “as long as your not wearing heavy armor”
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 5 жыл бұрын
Which is why under the Spiked Armor Training section it states: "In addition you can enter a Rage when wearing heavy armor."
@thevoicej2511
@thevoicej2511 5 жыл бұрын
Platemail...
@jounichi1983
@jounichi1983 5 жыл бұрын
Thibbledorf Pwent isn't a mere battlerager. He's the leader of the Gutbusters. (They had their own, 10-level prestige class in 3.5; compared to the battlerager's 5.) And yes, he wears heavy armor. That doesn't mean others do, or have to. And the restriction for dwarves explicitly says it can be lifted for other settings or a tailored version of the Realms. There's even an appendix in the back of the book describing how the subclass might be used in other settings. Why half-ass the video, man?
@foolycoolytheband
@foolycoolytheband 5 жыл бұрын
Me Pwent!
@jesterjames5057
@jesterjames5057 5 жыл бұрын
Thibleforf Pwent!!!
@danaholland6686
@danaholland6686 3 жыл бұрын
sorry but full plate barbarian is op imo
@NerdImmersion
@NerdImmersion 3 жыл бұрын
How?
@danaholland6686
@danaholland6686 3 жыл бұрын
@@NerdImmersion Having a massive AC plus Resistance to bludgeoning piecing and slashing will make him hard to hit and heavily reduce amount of damage they will take. I like the idea of limiting the armors that can be use but that's just me
@nathanbrehm1085
@nathanbrehm1085 5 жыл бұрын
Agree it was major disappointment...it was a major reason I bought the book...
@joel5611
@joel5611 4 жыл бұрын
Fix it? I think it's just fine, sure the Spikes should maybe be a D6, but you just need to play it right.
@glukolover
@glukolover 4 жыл бұрын
Gods your naming conventions suck. But otherwise we do have similar lines of thoughts as regards to mechanics. However, you really need to 'keep it simple stupid', and not worry so much what the novels say.
@salton56
@salton56 5 жыл бұрын
His face is exposed so I guess that makes it half plate
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