Fixing the Traffic that Destroyed my City in Cities Skylines!

New Tealand needs the BIGGEST Traffic Fix and Rebuild to get it back to it's old self! Enjoy :-)
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[@j_si.8187]

In the last Episode, you blocked the Trucks from turning left, after leaving the cargotrainstation. So they are forced to go the big crossing to get to the Airfield. In the last Episode you have taken out the roundabout, because of the Trucks plugin it up. But they only plugged up cause they couldnt take the leftturn. And so they go through the roundabout, but then they dont drive up to the nice setup, since the way through the roundabout is shorter. Edit:sry Bad english, but i hope you get my point. XD

[@Benhutchie22386]

Biffa needs to see this comment :)

[@ProfesseurPhilson]

Django is right : the all point of the airport cargo train station is to be inside the airport, so trucks can deliver goods directly from planes to trains or from trains to planes. With the setup you have, you forcing trucks to go outside the airport to go to the cargo train station, and because you stopped them to go right into the airport when they come from the cargo train station, they go trough the intersection.

[@thomasormerod6867]

I commented this exact same issue in the last episode!!! It wont fix everything but it would reduce the traffic a little.

[@j_si.8187]

@@thomasormerod6867 i think you are right. Not everything would be solved. I was loosing my mind over this, in the last Episode. Biffa put so much effort in this setup. But comments in english are really hard for me to write. I hoped somebody get him there. XD

[@gplusytCRST]

@@ProfesseurPhilson Yeah you're both right. All episode I thought "the four way crossing should be a three way crossing with the one towards the cargo train station being eliminated. The path towards the cargo train station should be somewhere else from the airport directly.

[@kotoucjan]

Lots of the problems with traffic around the airport are because you have connected the internal airport roads to the external road system, It should not be connected at all, it only makes this mess. You are using new Airports DLC add-ons as regular ones, but everything should be used only to serve the airport. Even the train station. So please disconnect those, it will make your life a lot easier.

[@WeberChristoph]

I have exactly the same Problem except that my airport Cargo Station is inside the airport area... Still the whole City wants to go to the airport train station

[@GDTF88]

This.

[@fabi7608]

@@WeberChristoph yeah same.. I got 23 run ways and over 60 cargo plane stations, even with pumping up export of plane routes and pumping up cargo capacity of airplanes all want to go to the train. Only way to solve was to delete the cargo train Station…

[@amdkillaplays]

@@fabi7608 My airport doesn't work as apparently the plane routes are broken on my map. But they'll still drive across 4 tiles and ignore much closer cargo stations to use the one at my non functional airport

[@capitalinventor4823]

The intention is to have all of the external traffic go through the two points in the main cargo terminal but I don't think the external (to the airport) road connection is what is causing the traffic problems. There are two rail lines that Biffa set up to the airport cargo rail terminal. One was to the internal rail network and the other was to the intercity rail network. It was the intercity rail network that was causing all of the problems as businesses were using it to export goods. That was causing the traffic problems. With the test of the rail terminal outside of the airport and the non-airport DLC rail terminal inside the airport grounds, only the internal rail network was connected and goods were being delivered to be transferred to aircraft (at least in the second case). If Biffa tested a single line with it being the intercity rail then I'm sure that the traffic problems would exist again. There isn't much around the airport to deliver goods to it by truck whereas everything further it is faster for goods to be transferred by rail. When both lines were connected any trucks taking goods from the rail terminal were caught in traffic so that's why there were few trucks delivering goods to the airport.

[@Chronostra]

Isn't the airport cargo is supposed to be used internally in an airport area without outside road? I mean like road->cargo airport->cargo airport road->airport cargo train station, so the internal airport road isn't connected with standard roads? So the terminal became the buffer for cargo trucks (for example the zooming trucks at 24:38, 24:59 or 28:07) and the cargo train station became the buffer for trains. You can see this became a problem also because you set the roads to the cargo station and cargo airport terminal in parallel without the ability to directly turn to the terminal so the trucks took the long way round to the airplane stand such as at 30:45. This can be avoided if, once again, you place the station inside the airport and cut the connection of airport cargo roads to the standard road network. I think that's worked for me and it was also modded, but CMIIW, gonna go check after I'm home Tl:dr, the problems is perhaps caused by you connected the cargo airport roads to standard roads and placing airport cargo train station outside inner airport roads, biffa. CMIIW?

[@fallfaith6590]

I don't think so. SeniacTwo built a cargo airport with the train station in the internal road system of the airport in Dead End, and the traffic queuing built up anyway, just through the terminal this time. Biffa is probably right, the new train station has some sort of ¨weigth¨ at transfering goods

[@Chronostra]

@@fallfaith6590 ah perhaps, I haven't tested with any industry proximity wise, as my airport area is kinda far away from any industrial sprawl (the only access is a highway downtown to the airport island and cargo+passenger rail). Can you gave me the link for that or any other examples for references?

[@fallfaith6590]

@@RustyWalker He did it after the tailback grew all the way back to the highway. Actually he had to scatter some airport cargo train stations across the city in place that were clearly not airports and connected to the city road network so the traffic would distribute .

[@epiccollision]

The devs allowed this configuration without any in game instruction or direction.

[@JJayzX]

@@epiccollision with no instructions has definitely made it difficult to figure out how they meant it to be used. I also believe that it's straight out bugged as well since it makes everything ignore the older cargo terminals.

[@GriffosChannel]

Nothing beats watching Biffa while you're hungover drinking a cuppa!

[@braydonthompson29]

Lol I'm actually doing the same

[@Benhutchie22386]

lol same! Biffa to the rescue

[@Sam-es2gf]

Watching it with a cuppa without a hangover does tbh!

[@freakyleaky1077]

The hang over is real for me too

[@HeiligerGrimmnir]

Same same. A Saturday morning tradition at my house.

[@mattcheko9792]

I've found even tho it makes it more efficient, directly connecting any of the airport stuff to a normal road is not a good idea. Leave the terminal as a transfer between road networks and connect the train station directly to the airport road.

[@NutDriverLefty]

If I don't connect the internal road of the airport terminal to an external road, I always have problems with trash not getting picked up at the cargo terminal. Connecting that road is the only way I've gotten past it. Is there another way?

[@skylinelibertarian3835]

@@NutDriverLefty put a transfer station in the airport, out of the way.

[@mattcheko9792]

@@NutDriverLefty i put trash collection inside my airports (Because i like to go crazy with mixing assets) Id recommend a simple recycling center along with some police and fire. remember to connect these to your passenger terminals too (if you have them in the same airport) for an easy fix

[@mies1mies]

the airport gargo train termenals cant deliver goods to the normal cargo termenal. if you have 1 airport cargo terminal in your city the normal gargo terminals will not work propperly

[@erika-zn8oi]

you have to replace all regular cargo train terminals with airport train terminals this solfs your problem

[@trovalds]

I Believe your Airport Train Cargo is not working because it is out of the Cargo Airport at all (not talking about the Airport area itself). So the game understands that as a normal Cargo Train Station. At least I see that's no traffic incoming and outgoing from and to Airport, just from the city. I played here and in mine I put the Airport Train Cargo just aside the Airport Cargo Terminal. This way the deliveries get in and out of Train Terminal from Cargo Terminal easily and not overload the traffic around. Anyways, I'm playing without mods so I don't know if your problem is around a mod or something else changing the city behavior.

[@shmubob]

This! Ive been skipping the last few New Tealand episodes because theyre all trying to deal with this weird thing Biffa did and refuses to fix and just dances around. Why should the DLC even let you put it not on the airport roads!

[@bobblebardsley]

It's not unusual for DLCs to give you extra stuff that can be used anywhere in your city, if this is the problem they should have made it 'can only be placed in an airport area' or something.

[@atlflytguy]

Plus if you go to the cargo airport if you want to get to the train you gotta go all the way down the road turn around and come back and all the traffic. There’s no way to turn right to get to the cargo train from the cargo airport.

[@bobblebardsley]

@@atlflytguy That stood out to me too, at the start of the video a lot of the trucks Biffa selects are owned by the airport, but they've had to go via the busy crossroads to get to the train terminal.

[@ScreenWatch12]

i like how well the timed traffic lights work at that busy intersection. it's nice not to put a roundabout every time the intersection is struggling with traffic. thank you for this longer video biffa! we love every minute

[@edwardmiessner6502]

38:40 It looks like a lot of your railway riders have cars in their pockets! 😉 They just pull 'em out, press the "spawn" button, throw it on the ground, and the car will spawn

[@MattR336]

I went back to the original transfer manager, but both seem to have issues with the cargo airport stuff. Ended up removing it and dealing with the extra traffic. Unlimited outside connections helped remove some of the dummy traffic and everything is working again. My city was dying fast with either of the transfer mods on, so they may still need some work. Glad to be back in New Tealand!

[@squallloire]

Ah, New Tealand AND traffic fixing. Peak Biffa 😁

[@powerclan1910]

the death people stacking up was probably due to clearing the trafic multiple times, which also clears all the hurses that were under way

[@mahoumatic]

This was exactly what I had every single time in Cities Skyline. When the population exceeding certain amount (sometimes >80,000, the most 150,000), and if an inter-cities Cargo station with more than 1 means of transportation exist in the city, the traffic generated by the Cargo station would block the whole city, and cause city failed to function at all. One track+train, track+air or track+ship is still fine, at least by doing tricks on traffic, using mods to limit inter-cities traffic and better road hierarchy, can still limit the area affected. For any cargo station with inter-cities connection, the road connected to the station need to be connected directly to highway, and not to any main or sub-road, then the traffic generated will still be manageable. Any asset of cargo station with more than 1 means of transport, i.e. track+train+air, the traffic generated will eventually become not manageable, end up causing death and recover only when population falls back to below 50K. That's the reason not playing Cities Skyline anymore recently, at least not before any solution found to get this problem fix. (And hence don't really think the new airport extension is meaningful by any means. The game itself not really able to handle population more than 100K).

[@fabiolimaunb]

So much truth in one comment. And the game knows, that's why the last landmark is 80k

[@Taradays]

Good points, going to go ahead and make some changes to road connections for my freight networks

[@GunnyPA]

I'm at 97k rn an thats the problem I'm having. A lot of my businesses aren't getting goods and I'm having constant death waves. I just added another cargo train in my city as my other one and cargo hub were outside and I added another industrial area but neither is working

[@epiccollision]

And it’s been that way for years! No fixes in sight just dlc after dlc compounding the errors and the frustration.

[@rickydas9779]

There are people who have solved this problem and have 600k to 1M population. use RCI zoning for traffic issues. There are KZbin videos of these huge population cities. check them out!

[@MrLlamatastic]

1) Can't believe I've watched a whole Biffa episode where a roundabout would have solved all the problems and it wasn't built! 2) I'm almost positive that the "airport cargo station" is actually a way for both trucks and trains to drop off cargo, teleporting into the plane stands. So it's a quicker way for them to dump their goods than driving all the way to the plane stands. 3) That long main building doesn't seem to be used for drop off AT ALL, it's just the main building for city services to use, so I don't think you're ever going to see much traffic taking that side of the fork

[@bunnywarren]

For the station bear the end you can click on a selection of vehicles coming from it to see where they are heading. That's what I used to do pre-commuter destination mod and whilst it's not as good clicking a decent number of vehicles will give you a good idea.

[@jrm78]

It might be time to add a metro network to the other side of the island around where the overloaded train station is. After all, you did draw in a line heading in that direction from Tearantula Station, but never connected it to anything.

[@Oh-Grr]

I had the same problem as well, everyone preferred the airport train station for loading up cargo to go out instead of having trains go there to swap to the planes. I fixed it by moving the rail station onto the airport road itself, and adding a toll lane for the entrance to the airport and now it works as intended. Not sure which of the two fixed it, or if it was both, or anything else, but it's cleared up for me.

[@Bandarraprof]

As you said, is a priority thing, the Airport cargo train station is designed to be utilized inside the actual airport, and the airport roads disconnected from the main road network. The idea is that cargo entering and exiting the airport is mainly done via trains and internal trucks (from train station to actual plane), and the exit/entry from the terminal has minimal traffic.

[@amdkillaplays]

The airport cargo station is definitely weighted. I had trucks driving from my ore area over to my airport to use the cargo station when they have their own one right next door. But they preferred to drive across 4 tiles instead. I had to block truck access out of the ore area to prevent it as it was causing a lack of available trucks in my ore area. But it forced me to make sure there is plenty of cargo infrastructure so the goods can still get around my city

[@erika-zn8oi]

you have to replace all regular cargo train terminals with airport train terminals this solfs your problem

[@stevehudson1111]

tried that, that was still a chronic fail as trucks would drive to whichever airport cargo station was closest to the side they were exporting to, and deliver there, with no use of the internal network for exporting. I ended up reverting all stations to normal vanilla and all the problems went away, and my exports shot back through the roof again

[@mantabloke8141]

The airport dlc needs a train hub so it comes off the planes directly onto trains

[@fabiolimaunb]

If he put the cargo in the right place It would work like that

[@therealjoshuacaleb4873]

mine works like that. it's about where you place it he's right.

[@jcosunshine]

Fascinating episode! I always love a good traffic fix, they really help me to fix my own issues in my cities. Watching you puzzle out what's happening if immensely helpful. Thank you Biffa!!!

[@SquirrelArmyStudios2015]

I noticed similar problems with my own city after I placed the Airports cargo terminal. It seems to become the priority terminal for all freight traffic. I tried everything to sort the traffic issues and the only thing that worked was deleting the Airports cargo terminal and using a standard one instead. There is something coded within that asset which increases traffic using it.

[@gosera-1108]

It works well if you treat it as it suppose to be used and only be placed inside the airport with no connecting road to the cities, its purpose is for train to come in create a truck that goes to the runway, aswell for the runway cargo import to go to and send it to the city. This is also the case with the reason why he has none uses the front gate of his airport is becuse he connected it to the city directly making it the shortest route and bypassing the whole idea of it of the centre building

[@macaidwin]

@@gosera-1108 I tried something like that, the cargo station connected to some aircraft stands that were not connected by road to the city. I saw cargo coming in by train, trucks transported it into a plane, the plane taxied to another aircraft stand where it unloads into trucks that heat out to the city. When connecting everything with roads behind the cargo terminal I got a large amount of traffic in front of the terminal and other cargo train stations in the city were bypassed by the trucks.

[@TwilightStar91]

@@gosera-1108 Except the actual description of the cargo train terminal in-game says you can use it in other places in your city. It's not by design, it's a bug.

[@Stormcrow_1]

Have they somehow made the new cargo terminal preferable to the older ones, like how the helicopters insanely popular?

[@epiccollision]

@@RustyWalker they still line up like it’s the best thing ever hundreds of people stalling out of the queue because they take so long to land and take off. I edited the vehicles to carry hundreds and it worked but it’s not realistic to stuff 200 people into a helicopter.

[@Blitzkrieger17]

i had a similar issue in a game when industries first came out. everyone ignored the terminal closest to the old industry (nearest my outside connections) and made a mess with the new terminal closest to my new farming industry... i even tried to place a second terminal to be a more direct route and they just did not care at all... they just HAD to use that new fancy station!

[@nbest]

I watched the two train cargo terminal for awhile and the airport one has a much lower through put because the speed limit inside the station is lower than the road. Also putting them directly next to each other the trucks preferred the airport version over the traditional, even if the traditional was closer.

[@WeberChristoph]

This is an interesting episode, because I have the exact same problem. Seems that the whole city wants to get the goods from the airport cargo station. I also tried the same solutions you did. .. In addition I tried to put the airport cargo station inside the airport area with no outside connection except through the airport cargo terminal... still the same problem. I have now managed to get the import/export in the whole city down to get rid of the traffic jams

[@yelowwolf3996]

7:22 RIP to all the rocks all over the place. They will be missed

[@ArnoModelstate]

8:40 As the ingame tool showed all private cars used the slip road and then roundabout to get up to the mountain road SO, what Biffa could do is connect that slip road underneath the junction directly to the mountain road ..... Let's un pauze and See what Biffa will do !!

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

If you have problems with timed traffic light, remember that the throughput of them is not *just* the amount of time that they can move through, but also how *fast* they can move through it!! Making the junction a bit bigger (with node-controller) to avoid slowdowns, can often have a positive affect on the throughput of a timed traffic light, even without increasing the time.

[@amylouise3974]

This was a really enjoyable episode to watch. It’s definitely one of the more challenging traffic fixes you’ve shown so it was cool seeing how you identify a problem that isn’t responding to your “go to” fixes.

[@TurkishMultiPower]

in my honest opinion, airport cargo train station is for the airport itself, shouldn't be used as your regular cargo train station.

[@Farracy]

43:00 I´ve observed that cars choose their directon only by the speed directly after the junction. So if you set the bypass to 60 or the last bit of road before the roundabout to 50, they should make better decisions.

[@citrusklam9949]

41:00 busses casually driving over people 💀

[@julianlora_]

Odd how that particular train station is more attractive to internal cargo traffic from across the map.

[@Tchelow]

I was having the same issues on my airport cargo station. I’ve ended up building a new cargo airport on the other side of the city with another cargo station and that helped. But they still attract trucks from far away

[@bobbeekrause179]

Seems like the Airport Railway works best when it's connected to an internal street network to the Cargo Airport. Then the trucks can only pickup & drop off between the two locations. That's why it acts like it's weighted to suck in all cargo. So the cargo transfers are forced between the two buildings.

[@andreglud]

30:53 Were you getting tired when you made this intersection? xD Dont quite think it lines up with the exit lane from the airport loop.

[@ruslanc590]

My thoughts exactly. There's no way out from this road hence no one uses it.

[@bobblebardsley]

You can see at 31:07 the lanes are connected correctly, just the intersection marking tool and that central triangle/median are wrong, so it shouldn't affect the traffic, they'll obey the lane connectors over the intersection markings.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

17:00 As ridiculous as it sounds, cargo airplanes will go from airport to airport like trains do. It's not all that common if you have a robust train network.

[@jackklein906]

I have an idea you could try on the Airport cargo train station. I think that the only entrance and exit to the airport grounds should be the Cargo Airport gate. I think the gate will block traffic in the city from using the Airport cargo train station. The only trucks that should come in the Airport gates are trucks going to the Airplane stands for export on the planes. The cargo the airplanes bring in is sent from the stand to the now isolated Airport cargo train station for delivery around the city. That is what you were seeing when you noticed they were only intercity trains. Some trucks might leave the Airport grounds via the gate as well but I'll bet a lot send it on the trains. Might be something to try.

[@spencerrhodes3915]

I took a deep look at my city after watching this video and there is DEFINITELY something odd going on with those airport cargo train stations! I have mining trucks driving past several regular cargo train stations and across several tiles to deliver their ore to airport cargo stations that I happen to have placed places where I wanted to connect two lines. It's all very inefficient and it's driving me crazy.

[@donnamorrell1895]

Thanks for another entertaining vid Biffa, love watching you sort your traffic out, there's something very satisfying at watching your traffic go from "horkey borkey" to free flowing. Shame about the mods not being updated yet, I am really looking forward to watching your UK themed City, but I'll just have to wait I suppose. keep up the good work.

[@davidalexallen]

Biffa, at 30:49 when you're detailing, you put a curb right over the left turn path. Obviously it's purely visual, but I couldn't stop myself seeing it.

[@wdudek01]

Odd the trucks drive across the city to the intercity RR. They probably drove right past where the cargo will ultimately be delivered.

[@sagittarius_a_starr]

Gas Stations! I just realized Cities: Skylines doesn’t make us put gas stations all over the place, or else… something. I’m initially thankful that I don’t have to smatter gas stations like elementary schools… but upon further consideration, getting rid of gas stations would incentivize electric vehicles and the like. It would be kinda cool, for anyone who enjoys playing with traffic de-spawn off (or on… I forget, What I mean is: it’d probably be a fun addition for anyone who enjoys playing in “hard mode”).

[@szalontaiakos]

I think you CAN unlock the road of those newer train stations with the network multitool. And then connect a road to the side of the parking lot for the buses... :)

[@d9dga]

If there was an oblong-about between the train and airport main entrance, would all those trucks just head straight into the airport without going down to the crossroads? Could squeeze a toll booth on there too!

[@truckywuckyuwu]

Half the issue with traffic in this game is the sheer amount it spawns. And that they never really have very many other routes to take, so everyone ends up on the same road going to the same place. In real life, people and businesses travel all across a city. Not just to and from the airport for instance, and people are also smart enough to use alternative routes when one gets backed up. That's what this game needs instead of just looking at the shortest path. Which is often inefficient as you can see. They don't use any other lanes by default, opting for only the shortest path, even if the next best path would keep traffic flowing smoothly.

[@nicky6728]

Biffa. That station should be inside the airport. So they can drop off cargo and it takes out stright on planes. Or take it from planes to trains directly without external road connectivity

[@lukeg7567]

Right at the end 43:25 marker, you have a roundabout with a one way going into it that I recall was a two way road till you accidentally upgraded it

[@stefanmoffatt]

You should try putting the cargo airport train station IN your airport (on the airport roads). You need a direct train connection to the airport. Now the trucks have to drive into the airport first

[@vonavy]

5:50 Plane be like 🔁🔁🔁

[@kdmpunk]

The trucks aren't using the cargo termibal because of the road that connects directly to your airport road essentially rendering the terminal moot. To me it seems like a bug that is causing all of your trucks to go to that one train terminal when you have such expansive rail network. As others have said, the airport cargo train hub should be independently connected to the airport road which can only be accessed through the airport terminal

[@noahkohn9350]

I think that if you connect the Cargo Airport Rail Terminal to a road that is internal to the Cargo Air Terminal, you might avoid it being used to draw cargo from outside the airport. Also, if you disconnect the direct road access to the internal roads, then all of the traffic ought to go through the gates at the main terminal.

[@tenter8457]

I have been waiting for this video since the game was first released!

[@andymitchell2146]

0:20 That's a lot of loads of CIM.

[@joesanchez979]

Entertaining by Biffa super relaxing 😎

[@darthpikachu1359]

You mentioned that you would like to have your cargo airports (original nor DLC) transport to other parts of the city. I have had this happen when I started playing the game about a year ago. I had multiple cargo airports or cargo airport hubs in my city and found that the game was using them to transport cargo throught the air when the trains would get clogged. I had to rename all of my cargo airports in order to detect this as the planes will tell you which cargo airport or city they are going, but if they are all names Cargo Airport it makes it difficult to tell the destination.

[@tlowthion4]

I'm sure others have spotted this already, but could it be to do with those wierd train station reversing loops? If you are say, in the west and want to ship to the east, you have to truck everything here and load. It onto a train, or vice versa east to west, as there are no through routes and I don't think you can do a train to train freight transfer? May be totally wrong, but that would explain why trucks are driving halfway round the city to this one station?

[@Salmoddi]

My guess for situation at 42:45 where they don't use the slip lane is that the game is giving that road only access to the right lane and most of them seem to go to the left lane. Putting the choose your lane option on would help, or just hugo there all the lanes. I would probably change the roads near the roundabout to normal roads without the bus lanes, those could restrict the traffic, if the settings are set in the Traffic Manager options. And connect the paths behind the train station to the front from the sides.

[@An_Economist_Plays]

When I connected my airport cargo station to the road grid, all hello jello broke loose. One-way only outbound roads helped to have the trucks use their proper cargo stations. I'm going with the comments to keep all the cargo airport stuff self-contained with rails the only way in/out. But that means having to keep police, fire, trash, and deathcare inside the loop to service that environment, since city services can't reach it.

[@MDP1702]

Don't airports have their own security and fire department anyway (to an extent)? Maybe just connect the internal and external roads and only allow services to cross this connection road (when using traffic mod ofcourse)?

[@An_Economist_Plays]

@@MDP1702 It's the same solution as I used for parks - connect everything with a road and have services internal to the park - until I got the mod that turns off fires. 🙂

[@AbdicateDotNet]

Great video! @32:55 Notice all the white trucks in front of the train cargo: they're trying to turn left and cannot so they despawn. Then @41:21 grandma is stuck in the crosswalk and gets run over by the bus! 😆 Again, you can see a loan white truck at the end of your video that comes into the frame as you're talking about your moon series and he despawns.

[@kallexiao8592]

New Tealand serie is my favorite!!! 😄

[@amdkillaplays]

I'm also having the weird thing where stuff still uses the airport cargo station when it's turned off. I thought Biffa had the issue because traffic was coming from so far away. But I just played on my much smaller map and tested it. Forgot all about it while squeezing in bus lanes elsewhere and found that after 2 hours of playtime (at least 1/3 of that at 3x), they were still using it. Going to swap it out either for vanilla or a workshop asset. For workshop multiplatform stations, you can get them to use all the platforms with the spawning point mod, you can create a new point and specify it as spawn/unspawn for cargo trains

[@crzy1gs]

I would just get rid of that cargo train hub near the Airport. Seems to be really screwing up pathfinding somehow. Cims shouldn't be travelling over the whole city, to use an internal train network to go back where they came from? Also if you got rid of it, then the Cargo Airport might actually get some use... At the moment its a huge white elephant and wasting the point of the new DLC ://

[@viciousweather]

Intersection at 38:20 has an unnecessary straight option for the exit lane coming off the highway, and some cars are using it because it's shorter, adding traffic to that intersection.

[@CouchPotator]

For everyone arguing he's using the Airport cargo train station wrong, that it needs to be on the other side of the terminal: please go watch the official trailer for the DLC. They plop the train station along a random road with no airport in sight.

[@codeman99-dev]

Yeah... example play doesn't always line up with actual consequences of the game.

[@bobblebardsley]

41:10 Love the Death Wish Granny who gets off the bus and immediately goes to stand in the middle of the crossing forever more.

[@nathansaville533]

3.5 Years of Work - Cities: Skylines - Aurelia 105 pleas watch this and give us your pinon on this city !!!!!!!!!

[@funnyguy9711]

I had the same problem with a cargo train. It was unimaginable amount of traffic. I then built a similar city just vanilla and the traffic wasn't bad. There is a bug or something with cargo. When you turn it off cars and trucks eventually stop but any traffic left in the city continues to use it.

[@geronimo8553]

Vanilla have always turned despawn on, so if the game notice that the cars/trucks are waiting to long, it just let them disappear. Biffa use Traffic manager with despa wn turned of. And then you get this real traffic nightmare with cargo and other stuff.

[@blankblank9904]

the reason why nobody entered the airport via the actual entrance probably was that it wasnt connected to the airport properly. but i think you might have fixed it at 34:00 ish time. looks like that was overlaping with the same type of road but not being attached to it. that being said im not sure if you really fixed it, because it still looked odd. You might want to check if works now, but that probably is the main reason except for the faster alternative way in

[@quigonkenny]

Would it be easier to connect one of the other cargo train stations (that all of these trucks are passing on the way to this one) to the internal train network rather than creating a new one near this one, which is still going to add to much of the same traffic? Presumably if the trucks are all coming here to connect to that internal train network, that means all the other ones are only connected to the external network.

[@jannesmicke921]

Freaking use lange mathematics following the traffic analytics from Traffic Manager. Dedicated Turning Lanes are fine but If all the cars from the highway want to go left give them another freaking left turing lane. A dedicated straight on or right turn lane is worth nothing on a traffic light controlled intersection when they are complete empty and all cars try to turn left in one single lane. 🧐

[@bbbenj]

Isn't the cargo terminal supposed to receive the traffic from all trucks? You have access to the runaways directly to the cargo trucks, isn't it a mistake?

[@GavHTFC]

Biffa I'm wondering if the airport cargo train station was in the wrong place from the beginning. It was positioned such that rail cargo coming in still has to get across the road to the main terminal. Would it not need to be connected directly to the internal roads (which themselves probably shouldn't have an outside connection other than through the terminal) so that rail cargo coming in can get straight on a plane - similarly plane cargo coming in can get straight on a train?

[@dennisgrogu8319]

Loving the series keep it up 👏👏

[@jeffsmarques1]

actually the new cargo train station of the airports dlc was made to be put inside the cargo airport, in these new roads that came with the airport, these roads work like the concourse(i don't know if this is the name) of the passenger airport, you use to conect new stands and the new cargo train station. these roads shouldn't be conected with your city network, because you want the cargo to go to the aiport terminal and then go to the airplanes. this new cargo train station works like a buffer, so the cargo can come in and out of the aiport more easyly.

[@SimonBridge]

Ideally you want air cargo to go via rail to and from airport right? Which would explain heavy weighting on airport cargo train hub. Can we separate cargo terminals for road and rail?

[@kerbmario]

You should rename all terminals to "Teaminals"

[@redmangc]

Im going to give you a better answer why theyre all doing this long trips. Your truckers are paid by the hour, not by the amount of Deliveries.

[@Everie]

You should disconnect your Cargo Airport from the city network! And plus, the train should not be connected to the outside because you must serve only the city with the Airport Train Station, if not it'll break the game as it has done before!

[@peterahazlewood]

Great video as always Biffa. I wondered what your general opinion of the Airports DLC is now after you've been using it for a while. How big an addition is it considering there were mods that you could use before to build modular airports? How do you rank it in terms of overall gameplay vs other DLCs?

[@thehandleisuseless]

They are not using the terminal because trash is not being picked up, therefore the building is not working to capacity

[@steven482]

An internal frieght rail ring "road" ZEROED my traffic Biffa, ive also heard of report that both lines in new yard dont work

[@MillicentOak]

Watching that intro, somebody is making absolute bank fitting new suspensions to all these vehicles with the wear and tear their driving style is putting on them! Wow!

[@madkuya9862]

Could it be that move it is creating those bugs? its kinda the same thing with water pumps and outlets. if you move them they still pump water in and out at the original position. Moving placed buildings might be cheeper that way, but bugy as hell. Oh and just as important as well, internal airport roads are not suposed to have an direct road conection to outside roads. the building itself is the conection between internal and external transfer. I mean you dont drive with your car direct to the airplane on the gate right?

[@pranavsingh7844]

This'll be slightly long coz it's been bugging me as well. I too am facing the exact same issue with the Cargo Airport Train station literally sucking the cargo trucks from all over within and outside the city. While I did find a fix to the issue (written below), I'd rather it work correctly. 1. That particular issue is obviously an issue with the asset and just doesn't make sense. 2. Most of the comments seem to be right about what the cargo airport train station is for(that is should shuttle cargo trucks to and from the cargo airport and then further shuttle trains internally, although I can't seem to get that use out of it while outside connections are connected to the train stn.), but this issue is regardless of which road it is connected to. Ultimately it does need road access and trucks find a way around our connections. 3. I noticed my cargo airport was not or barely being used when I connected the airport train stn. 4. I temporarily fixed the problem by connecting the cargo airport train stn. to my internal cargo train stn. network in the city, and disconnecting all of it from the outside world altogether. That's the only way I got it to stop attracting the entire bulk of my truck traffic. I'd love to hear if there's another way, coz connecting it to an internal airport network etc. Is NOT the solution and didn't work. 5. Question- My airport works very well but the cargo airport barely uses 1 of my 12 stands and hardly has any traffic. I would have thought stopping train traffic would've drastically bumped this up. That was literally the ONLY difference between your and my cargo airport, that atleast yours is well utilised. Any idea why that may be? I know long post but this was really bugging me. Don't know if I'm the only one doing something wrong.

[@FINXainarskrastins]

maybe that airport cargo train station shoud have been isolated from the full cities roads...

[@CodingWithUnity]

I noticed people started walking mroe once I got the plaza dlc. Kinda annoying really

[@jonathanmarsh8119]

I always make sure that each of my industry areas have a cargo station, and then close to each of my residential areas I have stations with goods warehouses. Always ensure that trains can get from one station to any other by having a main line and splitting off where needed. Make sure you have stations close to the edge of the map as well to make sure you can accept and send out goods quickly. I don't use passenger trains. Monorails for short trips and metro for long point to point trips.

[@schalkeno1]

Maybe the trucks don't like the vanilla train cargo stations now. Maybe they prefer the dlc train station

[@TheDragonhawkKnights]

Hey Biffa, when you changed the two bus stops, there's a train station or metro station at the parking lot bus stop hub place... What train station is that? It's near the end of the video.

[@BardiaGh]

you shouldn't connect internal airport roads directly to the outside roads, that's why no one is using the cargo terminal because they are just bypassing it.

[@JMWZ_E]

Hi ... 26:14 This strict separation of internal and external rail is somehow bugging me. Is this just here or did you completely split outside rail connections and internal rail network? If yes, maybe the double track airport cargo rail station just cannot handover good from external trains to internal ones and vice versa ... 29:08 These left turns might not be necessary if you connect the cargo railway station more directly to the cargo airport bypassing this junction. 31:10 Lane connectors and lane markings are telling two completely different and contradicting stories. I side with the connectors. 38:53 The easiest solution would have been banning cars and trucks from that lane with vehicle restrictions - that way the won't even try to get in the lane blocked by the bus stop.

[@danielwilson6323]

There's a glitch (unexpected behavior?) right now where if you use a cargo airport train station outside of an airport area, it is way more "attractive" than it should be, and so vehicles will go WAAAY out of their way to utilize it. Up to you how you want to fix it, you could change it back to a normal cargo station OR include it in your airport area, and make sure it's next to an airport road.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

That's basically what I've discovered I guess 👍

[@mist_gaming624]

rip the beautiful intersection

[@tigonologdring9189]

I genuinely don't think I've seen a more bizarre episode of Biffa than this one... quite entertaining of course. Cheers Biffa! 8D

[@masonbirkmann1747]

Just subscribed. I would personally love to see the Biffa skills in Timberborn. It's a much less complicated game but would love to see how you would build your city and manage storage and everything!!

[@timvanaaken8484]

Why trucks are heading all the way over the map to your airport / cargo train station, and not the closest one... : It was their spawn point. All trucks will return to their owner after delivering goods... This mostly happends when the deliver a part of their cargo and then search for a new target (often at the other side of the map). These trucks are called train station truck or something similair....

[@mtippett80]

could it be that the airport rail cargo station has both internal and external rail lines where as the other cargo options dont and so less attractive to the trucks?