For Honor - Why Shinobi is a huge mess of a character

[@MarcoYolo]

“You can’t just backflip away from all your problems!” *That’s where you’re wrong kiddo*

[@caveman_alex9946]

wish it was that easy. lol i get hit by light attacks that track me like 6 feet. feels bad man

[@honestlyhuman6404]

Except that a decent amount of people can still attack you in a backflip

[@nathanflinchum1153]

Alex Depetris 60 feet*

[@caveman_alex9946]

@@nathanflinchum1153 bit of an exaggeration

[@jtsledge1524]

😂😂😂😂❤💀

[@friedsand2776]

*deflects on accident during revenge instantly killing the enemy* Heh nothin personnel Kidd, my skill is infinite and you stood no chance

[@theragebringer4424]

*teleports behind you*

[@ChaseJonas75]

Nerf shitnoobi love the name

[@kahnl4489]

@@theragebringer4424 Nyani?

[@drunkenmasterchickenman2783]

Lmao

[@ultraknight40000]

as a shinobi player I can say this is 100% accurate

[@whiterose74]

4:26 I remember when you could do the entire sickle rain on a teammate it was genuinely hilarious. And when you could ledge yourself with the slide tackle (idk if you can still do that)

[@martintemplar3620]

Yes you can still ledge yourself, only it has to be on a ledge you could jump from and survive, even at critical health

[@KazamiAzai]

My friend ledged himself as a shinobi once, I called him shitnobi ever since

[@musaabughoush8933]

U can still with the kick after havey if ur opponent falls form the ranged havey and u follow up with a delayed kick and nice that ur kick doesn't connect u fall

[@cwheels01]

Last I checked, Shaman can still ledge herself if she performs predator's mercy on an opponent as they are being ledged.

[@theragebringer4424]

@@KazamiAzai it' s shitnoobi

[@personalejcr]

Ubisoft: "we nerfed shinobi's slide tackle, now you can react to it" Me: *sees orange* *Dodges* *Gets hit with tackle* *Thonk*

[@The_Custos]

It's a bit like a knight move in chess.

[@antisimptrooper4635]

Yeah, shit tracks u

[@TheEpicPancake]

We "fixed" it. Just like we "fixed" hitboxes back in health.

[@TheEpicPancake]

@Sapien Ninja He's talking about the janky as fuck dodge timing since you can't dodge immediately upon seeing orange or else you'll still get hit

[@shuggie83wuggie97]

I’m sorry but I can’t stop laughing at *thonk*

[@navis9802]

12:44 Next up in the warriors den We noticed that shinobis and conqs relock speed is slower so we’re buffing that next week and never saying anything about the character again

[@rickberny1424]

Nah it should probably go like this We noticed that shinobi and conq have slower than normal relock speed so we buffed it on raider and why not now the stunning tap is 200ms, you happy now?

[@danielk.5864]

@@rickberny1424 wow, that is sure something ypu should bring up in a vid about Shinobi. Im sorry but if your only argument that something doesnt need a chang is, that something else needs to be changed, then ypu are working against yourself lol

[@jelleposthuma8786]

@@danielk.5864 its a joke man

[@jaymiddleton1782]

Nebu :D a salty raider main emerges.

[@gasmask7064]

Whats wrong with conq :(

[@centurionyt4472]

*shinobi starts running away* Shaman: I’m about to end this mans whole career

[@cwheels01]

As a current Shaman main (still fairly new to her at rep 2 and change), 1v1s with Shinobi are generally child's play. Ranged attack or guardbreak? Dodge and punish with wild cat's rage or predator's hunger. Kick? Dodge and punish with heavy. Heavy, soft feint into stab for bleed, guardbreak, throw, and partake of their flesh. As mentioned in the videos, in Dominion, Breach, or Brawls, it's a totally different story.

[@adityamanam5716]

@@cwheels01 In Domination, it's basically Shaman's job to keep the shinboi in check. If they're good, you'll need two people to effectively kill him though.

[@ShadowTheSeeker]

*shinobi starts walking away* Shaman: *wiffs attack*

[@POSEYPLUS]

@@cwheels01 Yeah as a shinobi main, the lights, kicks, and zones are key for them. But there is also the smokeless dash that throws people off

[@christianrivera1708]

@@cwheels01 did you not watch the video? Any decent shinobi will deflect those dodge heavies. Shamans are all predictable in that they love to spam dodge heavies, and this video shows that you can deflect literally while in the animation of the kick. And since they have armor even if you do get a heavy on the shinobi, that's a free GB+sickle rain.

[@propastypete1958]

Freeze- "Here's a well presented argument as to a character's poor design" Community- "lol u think shin obi OP?! ecksdee, he's so easy to counter lol, and have you seen R A I D ER"

[@danielk.5864]

True. Its really getting on my nerves. Yees, Raider is better than before, we got it. That why they reworked him, so he isnt trash anymore. Now he gets the same treatment like other stronger Charackters like shugi(where we've seen what you can do against in last vid) and gets hated and complained about. I really hate this. Its like: "Wääh, I play FH for 2 years now. I always perfected Raider, now i have to think when i go against him. Wäääh dont wanna think, wähhh"

[@LimitlessTJ]

Lol but you're right though it's funny but true have you seen Raider? People are playing him just for easy wins

[@propastypete1958]

@@LimitlessTJ I get raider is very strong at the moment, but my point is that it's textbook whataboutism. The focus of the conversation is about shinobi, but people just feel they need to needlessly complain about other issues.

[@danielk.5864]

@@LimitlessTJ oh yeah, youre right. Same when they pick up shaolin,jj,shaman,goki,hito,vortiger,orochi...and the list goes on. Better we dont play anything exept they low tier. That would help weehh

[@LimitlessTJ]

@@propastypete1958 I completely get what you mean but I think the point is before they do anything else or change any other character they need to get Raider to a better place because he's the most imminent issue. I don't see anyone using shinobi for easy wins, damn sure see a whole lot of Raiders nowadays though. For God's sake freeze put out a video last week showing his stunning tap is even faster now. I play on console so it's a horrible experience.

[@MrGorillaGuy]

It is so sad that the community in this game is so toxic that when you get a well made argument for why shinobi is broken everyone just jumps down frezzes throat, its sad.

[@LaserThemTheGirl]

That, and the posts on the main subreddit, legit makes me lose hope.

[@LaserThemTheGirl]

@@Snugglestheber Did you watch the video? He just listed in the clearest way possible almost everything that is inconsistent or broken about Shinobi (yes, almost, there is more).

[@Snugglestheber]

@@LaserThemTheGirl that's my exact point that's not an argument that's complaining

[@LaserThemTheGirl]

@@Snugglestheber What the hell are you talking about? The things he showed in the video are clearly not working how they should, so yes, they're broken. You mentioned that he takes skill, wich, ok sure, but that doesn't make the character less broken. Also what the hell do you mean by "people who ruin this game"?

[@LaserThemTheGirl]

@@Snugglestheber What?

[@martintemplar3620]

I have always seen shinobi as the mofo who brings a gun to a knife fight, and I hate it

[@zakariaelhimer1325]

Same

[@dragostoma9033]

It would have been more interesting a shinobi with 2 tanto's or nekokagi.

[@alessandrobianco4768]

I disagree. As master ken says "sometimes don't always bring a gun to a knife fight"

[@zakariaelhimer1325]

Lol

[@214bands8]

People like to shit on him without realizing how hard it is to play him.

[@trevorclaus1432]

Wait wait wait....his lights do my Valk's heavy damage? Come on.

[@thomasfield3185]

@Füćč Ñï99å you mean 'give the enemy a free gb' button?

[@mida-em1fu]

Wtf is wrong whit y

[@The_Duval]

@@rfr_Foglia not like Valkyrie started off broken and then Ubi "fixed" her by giving her every gimick in the Game. Bleed, crushing counter, knock down, hyper armor, unblockable, shield bash, etc. Valk has it all

[@osvaldolaracuente6739]

@@The_Duval she does at the cost of damage for my most part. She grows stronger as time goes it seems.

[@blaze-uo5pm]

Cant hear you I'm 70 miles away

[@silberu]

Hell hath no fury like a man in revenge grabbed by a ranged GB

[@Blue-df3zz]

Satisfying when you do it annyoing when you're the one having it done to

[@yungmalaria]

Blue Honestly you have be kinda sadistic to find satisfaction in something like that lmao

[@danestambaugh255]

@@yungmalaria I mean i think we all have a sadistic side in us that enjoys fucking people with ass mechanics. Like the stampede squad video

[@thealduinslayer4903]

Truly. No man, no god can quell the pure rage that is that man

[@LordThatch]

Amen to that

[@ObligatoryBook]

2019: Shinobi: “I am inevitable” 2020: Shinobi: “I am shit”

[@nameslotus]

2021: Shinobi: “I am inevitable.. again..”

[@shakinbake120]

Ah, my beloved For Honor. Where turning into a cloud of smoke, auto parrying, teleporting and attack animations that can bend reality is not what we asked for, but apparently what we deserve.

[@destarker1340]

Funny since this is what we deserve

[@ArtyomFinch]

I’ve always wanted to like Shinobi because it was a risky move making a character like him. But they just had to make him the safest and most clusterfucked design ever. Well back to ignoring he exists and crossing my fingers for a cent buff

[@fearspackofwolves699]

Leon Thyne cent buff more like a straight up rework he is such a poor character design

[@Gravelordnito934]

@@fearspackofwolves699 ok dude

[@yungmalaria]

Cent is really different side of the same coin as shinobi, both of them need a serious overhaul. The difference is shinobi has way more utility and strengths overall.

[@phierle1061]

yung malaria Ironic that both characters got released at the same time and both of them were overpowered (shinobi was found to be op later).

[@geraudasso4732]

I think centurion is a pretty decent character overall, i’m confortable playing with him in any situation and i think the only thing that he lacks off is his bashes mixups, like really, even a Entamoeba histolytica could react to his follow up punch after neutral heavy 99,8% of the time, it’s almost instinctive how easily you can dodge it, so why not making the kick and the punch faster and giving the punch a tracking property, so he could trick the player into charging the punch a little more and putting him down if he dodges the normal one

[@yungmalaria]

Can we just stop with the shinobi shilling people, just because the hero doesn’t have offense realistically doesn’t mean first of all he’s terrible, secondly doesn’t mean his mechanics aren’t broken. Offense takes a backseat to defense in FH, you have a character who is exclusively good for their ability to punish in FH. “But I don’t have a problem with all the shinobis I fight”, And I never had a problem with any of the PKs I fought for the first 5 seasons of the game, doesn’t mean the hero wasn’t busted and overtuned. Do you think people like dying to 50 damage punishes for one mistake? B-b-but my low HP pool, how does a good shinobi player take damage in the first place. The hero is problematic and needed to be reworked more than anyone in the cast for more than a year now. I can barely take anyone seriously who thinks otherwise when people still said he was bad even when they knew about his old 300 ms slide.

[@ReasonableLogic]

Stop bitching about it and get good I'm a shinobi main and i have a fun time going up against Shinobis while I'm playing as him or playing as another character even if I lose or win dude stop complaining about a character

[@solarys9123]

That is why there are 5 Raider picks per Shinobi player right?

[@yungmalaria]

Klairz Yeah let me stop bitching about getting deflected for 50 damage against a hero I can barely touch. Fuck me for wanting to play the video game.

[@yungmalaria]

Droow tolokoahiprimo What does people wanting to play raider have to do with shinobi? Most people don’t utilize shinobis defensive strengths, while most opponents get melted by stun tap because they aren’t experienced at the game. If you think offense has a clear advantage over defense than you do not understand this game.

[@AB-it8hd]

yung malaria shut yo bitch ass up

[@SomeKnight]

Can we just get external gb indicators ffs.

[@richardbonnette490]

Yeah .... AnD then we find heroes OTHER than shinobi abusing the indicators just because they can do that to take people off guard in gank wars.

[@Kitsune_Chara_CG]

Tbh in my opinion they can keep the armor on some moves BUT NOT SUPER ARMOR FFS WTF imagime Super armor on wardens shoulder or my main Vortiger Super armored bashes wtf they nerfed him to hard The kick can have hyperarmor but still

[@Salacavalini]

I love how the character with full plate has almost no armored moves whatsoever, and the spy in rags has the most powerful form of armor in the game. Who made these design choices?

[@kalawaki]

Armor is evidently more about your health pool while hyper armor is your ability to just ignore pain.

[@dovahkiin_brasil]

Hey ubi heard you, now Shinobi don't has any armor

[@Salacavalini]

@@dovahkiin_brasil Good.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

I am the spy

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

@@dovahkiin_brasil he don't deserve any kind of armor. Only cowards are playing him.

[@michaeltaylor6540]

So Ubi, why haven't you hired this guy yet? Hes better at play testing your game then you are.

[@214bands8]

not at making decisions about what character to complain about lmao

[@thealduinslayer4903]

booce slam excuse me wut? 😂

[@thealduinslayer4903]

Preston Cormick Ubisoft made Shinobi. Enough said

[@maximedurante7574]

@@214bands8 You've been responding to quite literally every comment that got a shred of attention here. Just admit you're being super defensive about your main.

[@steirqwe7956]

@@214bands8 Boy you are saltier than beef jerky on XVII century ship.

[@OtsdarvaOS]

Someone told me Shinobi was low tier. Then proceeded to abuse Backflip.

[@itzminogue2645]

He is low tier but it doesnt mean he doesnt have broken mechanics. Like nobu. Her offense sucks dick but HS is the most op defensive move in the game.

[@honestlyhuman6404]

Shinobi is low tier

[@nathanflinchum1153]

HonestlyHuman true dat, backflip doesn’t even get dodge frames and the fact that his ranged heavies suck in 1 on 1, I wonder what it would be like if he had something more like shamans jumping heavy

[@OtsdarvaOS]

@@nathanflinchum1153 10/10 jokes all around. Proud of you guys.

[@214bands8]

Shinobi is low tier

[@Shmackle123]

I'm glad somebody finally said it. I'll never understand how people think this character isn't a walking degenerate. And, to the people who say it's the players' faults for exploiting; What does removing exploitable moves have to do with you if you don't use them? If you're arguing about removing moves you don't even use (apparently) then that tells me right there that you use them.

[@jessejones5526]

explain more on “exploitable moves”. if you are talking about his moveset then you are a degenerate yourself. you can’t say someone has a exploitable moveset. that’s exactly how the devs made it.

[@Shmackle123]

@@jessejones5526 "if you are talking about his moves you're a degenerate yourself." 1. that is the most illogical statement i've ever heard. 2. Many characters had exploitable movesets that operated outside of the way the devs intended. i.e. Cent infinite combo. Highlander wave dashing. 3. Watch the video. He literally goes over all the exploitable aspects of this characters moveset.

[@jessejones5526]

Knightly exploitable. highlander yes that is the only thing you listed that would be considered exploitable. cent inf combo? bro.... if you think cent can land over 2 punches on you in the whole match you don’t have rights to speak in this conversation. like i said just fucking adapt to the hero and stop bitching like ubisoft will do anything. your one voice and they are a multi-million $$$ con

[@elsavoywaffle8247]

@@jessejones5526 "no hero is exploitable" lmao

[@NormalMrCool]

Jesse Jones You’re talking about current Cent right? Not the Cent who could infinite combo you right? Why do you think they removed the wallsplat off his punch? It allowed you to infinite combo you fucking mongoloid

[@Lovelykochi]

*Shinobi main has entered the chat*

[@SandSliquifier]

Lovely_kochi EF🅱️

[@BrotherCharlie710]

Fucking weeb

[@romanboi8834]

Fucking

[@mr.cuddlesworth3144]

Of course the fucking weeb mains Shinobi.

[@phx24]

Shinobi mains are *fuuuuckin pussieees*

[@a40dollardlc64]

12:05 “dont forget, super armor” *sprinkles salt all over shinobi

[@a40dollardlc64]

Nitro 4 sec difference and youre wrong

[@a40dollardlc64]

The exact statment i put but its more 12:03 so we both are wrong

[@grantbooth8555]

Brady Siranaula not anymore

[@Blackwolf-ud5je]

Additional things worth mentioning imo: In 1v1s, the blackflip is a good tool to his already really good spacing ability. His guardmode backwalking speed is insane. This further allows Shinobi to turtle, and just keep spacing against his opponent.

[@mihajlocvijetic1868]

Yeah his backwalk speed completely counters warden and shugoki's 50/50

[@brahstergm8390]

Blackwolf but isn’t shinobi a ninja? And traditionally in the entertainment word aren’t ninjas fast as hell? But I guess it’s ok to take it off since lawbro has mad armor and barely any hyper armor 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@yungmalaria]

Brahster GM Do you really want to fight a hero you can even hit the entire game because of some stupid concept of thematic balance. Also gladiator and Shaolin have the same locked movement as well.

[@brahstergm8390]

yung malaria I saw shinobi as a Mayweather type of fighter because of his health, now if you give me Lawbringer health I guess I wouldn’t mind the rework. Been able to frustrate my opponent is key 🔑 Also made it super rewarding for me at list to get in and try to trade with people sometimes because the odds are basically stacked against Shino at close range due to health and his guard. Pardon my grammar, never been a fan of English class 😆

[@yungmalaria]

Brahster GM The way you play doesn’t mean there isn’t the ability to just walk backwards or run the whole game and punish any attempt of the opponent attacking for absurds amount of damage. There is ALWAYS the option to do nothing in FH and with shinobis mobility you can have even more options and potential with that.

[@jaymiddleton1782]

All Shinobis deserve to be locked in a room with pre-rework aramusha.

[@mihajlocvijetic1868]

Or season 2 centurion

[@davv1dd]

Sure, but still counterable.

[@TSE_WOODY]

at 20fps with a tv on 50ms response rate

[@musaabughoush8933]

Option select pose kick to leadge always or run tell he comment to out of luck havey to a deflect high damge punish

[@tylermclin1976]

Aramusha is my favorite match up for shinobi. My rule is I'll trade a 40 damage side heavy for your dodge kick all day. Well that and centurion... Gotta love gbing a shinobi and showing them a cutscene

[@VidalTheKing-]

Post this on amino my guy, needs a crap ton more attention. I genuinely hate the hell out of Shinobi because of his design

[@214bands8]

You hate him because you fucking suck

[@detonater7441]

booce slam or maybe because he has some OP aspects (imo)

[@zachariz1490]

detonater7 shinobi is not op in some points. He is broken in some points. Not broken like "too strong", no. Broken like "the fuck happened? This does not follow any rule i've been told"

[@VidalTheKing-]

@@214bands8 Ah yes. The fact that he can hold me down while his teammates hit me without concern has to do with my skill even though I genuinely can't move... yes yes. I'm sorry he's totally fine. Specially being the only character with revenge knock down too

[@detonater7441]

Zacha Riz I understand what you mean however I must say I disagree

[@splinterskulll]

You know people say characters are broken all the time but shinobi is literally broken

[@ZeroEffort]

Every competitve player knows Shinobi represents the worst parts of the game. Super armour should not exist on almost every character. Maybe one or two moves. The fact that he has tech like quick dodge (dodge, ranged heavy, dodge creates a very fast dodge that isn't a double dodge) back flip makes him immune to almost every attack. Even if you try to punish it he can get an easy ranged gb for 53dmg. On top of that, option select parry with ranged heavy, option select deflect with double dodge. Only character that can deflect shinobi and get the actual deflect off is shaman. Pk gets her 35dmg but can be hit with a ranged gb. Something else people fail to mention is he has the fastest back walk speed, doesn't seem important right? Other than the fact that he can literally walk away from some moves. If warden full charges a bash then faints into gb, it wiffs. Let go the full charged and that's a 40dmg Guard break. Edit: Oh and his very balanced 40dmg light parry which is just 10 less than double Cents, and 8 less than double Valks. Not to mention the highest damage heavy parry at 29 damage, not including set up moves like Cent knee into wall splat or LawBringers impale into wall splat. TLDR; sHiNoBi nEeDs a BuFf

[@cloude8496]

Lawbringer still has the best parries both heavy and light,still shinobi is really strong

[@masterofstacking5638]

Nonsochenomemettere law bringer has the best damage potential shinobi has the best consistent damage

[@cloude8496]

@@masterofstacking5638 maybe on heavy parry,law has 50 consistent damage on light parries

[@masterofstacking5638]

Nonsochenomemettere I’m aware but at least on console light parries are less frequent and shinobi is much safer with his option select parries so in theory he should be landing more parries than lawbringer

[@ZeroEffort]

@@cloude8496 Yes, but Lawbringer specialises in parries and the little offence he has focuses around heavies and unblockables rarther than trading or bashes.

[@ryan3656]

God I miss old shinobi :(

[@kentucker6479]

Whenever a Shonobi come to gank, I always focus him first.

[@shqipe7760]

Ukiyo Thats what good players do

[@slothboi7131]

I mained shaman just to kill shinobis running away

[@adityamanam5716]

@@slothboi7131 Lmao exact same reason I picked up shaman

[@zachariz1490]

Ukiyo cause that's the thing to do

[@trufu9678]

I’m a shinobi main and I said it once and again...he needs a rework. Hero is literally all over the place. After watching this Freeze you taught me some shit I never knew.

[@eshooter6718]

I feel like they need a new move. Just one and I'll be ok.

[@avy6153]

Nerf his damege, increase his health, get rid of super armor and change the kick to be more useful. And a external gb indicator

[@eshooter6718]

@@avy6153 what's super armor again.

[@avy6153]

@@eshooter6718 When you bash someone doing a attack with hiper armor you can interrupt the attack. Super armor is when you can't do that

[@eshooter6718]

@@avy6153 Oh yea ik what you mean like when you get to go for a kick but a light spamming Orochi keeps stopping it when you should get hyper armor.

[@ivibetoomuch465]

Me: *plays shinobi* Everyone in the game: let me just gank you real quick

[@ImperatorTrajun]

You deserve it

[@yungmalaria]

If I have shinobi in range I kill before *he’s not in range*

[@OxygenThiefYT]

I feel you man. It's a hard life out there on the battlefield, main reason why I use stealth.

[@ahvyondrake4271]

Regwire112 _yt or deflect and run away like all shinobis do

[@randomman8207]

All shinobi mains should be put into ships and blasted to the sub

[@TheFadedMusic]

So... here’s my question then, how do they fix him, but not totally make him useless/boring/etc? I’ll be totally honest, shinobi is my main, and while I’m tired of ALL OF THE BITCHING about him I totally understand why people get annoyed. I want him to remain playable, but I also want him in line with the other chars. I’m by no means a great shinobi, I’m aggressive, not great at deflects, and I just learned about his smokeless kick. So any real nerf is probably gonna totally fuck me up, but if it’s better for the game I can learn to play his new form. I just want him to stay usable. I don’t want another gladiator or valk.

[@deflectnya]

This is so true if only we didn’t get 6 nerfs in a row because ubi thinks shinobi is the most unhealthy thing for the game yet they give cent a Variable timed bash that can be fainted thx ubi

[@shinryudracruina2906]

Honestly, I detest fighting Shinobi's in breach as Shugoki. As someone who loves that fat hippo, it's really infuriating not being able to actually, well land a hit and get caught during recovery by a range gb

[@voidinheritant]

shugo is definitely the worst character for shinobi to go up against

[@shinryudracruina2906]

@@voidinheritant For Shinobi to go up against? I think it's the other way around.

[@deathstroke8639]

@@shinryudracruina2906 I agree man as a shugoki main if the shinobi is smart i'm pretty much doomed

[@voidinheritant]

@@shinryudracruina2906 helllll noo, we rely on dodges... just charge heavy cancel into demon embrace ad we are fucked lmao

[@עומרלוי-ס8כ]

@@voidinheritant Shinobi can counter shugoki 50/50 by literally *walking backwards* . Very fun idea, ty ubi

[@CaptainRx-ss3rt]

Well that and also the fact that he is so boring to fight against

[@christianrivera1708]

He only has like 5 moves in his entire kit lol

[@voidinheritant]

@@christianrivera1708 its not our fault that we have nothing viable to use other than kick punishes and kick bait GBs

[@nialencapefet5154]

@@voidinheritant But you had a tanto. What is the shinobis' fault is that they still did not made the world a better place by seppuku.

[@voidinheritant]

@@nialencapefet5154 ok bro

[@214bands8]

Bandit Banned it that’s what I’m saying and we still make it work with our low fuckin health and terrible defense and niggas still can’t beat us talkin that “nerf shinobi cause I suck dick!!”

[@Vaeynheart]

Notifications squad, but geez freeze for some reason YT said this vid was 2 and a half hours I was worried Shinobi threw you over the ledge.

[@thealduinslayer4903]

Vaeynheart if anything was, it’d be Shinobi

[@JoyridePinks]

His revenge deflect kick knocks you down I believe I doubt they changed it

[@QuantumBeard]

He pointed that out in his Shinobi punish vid But yeah it's fuckin ridiculous

[@anemone3777]

Two considerations, putting up front that everything said in this video is pretty much true. First up they might be doing ubi's stupid thing of not touching his gank until a rework, much like raider or LB, which might hint at a shinobi rework next season. About the deflect i think the difference is that Berzerker deflect got you stuck in the middle of a gank, which might be not ideal at times, while shinobi deflect is way less dangerous to activate randomly as it moves you away from your position and out of being flanked.

[@ThresherC88]

I still think sprint attacks need to be looked at as a whole by Ubi. 35 damage for raider, which is decently fast with fantastic tracking, while orochi gets a slow, crummy 17 damage heavy. Worth looking into

[@bryttonica6286]

Not only is shinobi easily the most broken character in the game, but why is it that almost all the players maining him are so god dang toxic? Like I literally can't think of another characters player base that is so infuriating

[@shqipe7760]

Bryttonica shaman,lawbringer,warden ,orochi,tiandi

[@deadlyframe7794]

Shugo, lawbringer and raider all almost always toxic as well, at least on console ive found.

[@deathstroke8639]

Raider, orochi, every character in the fire expansion and many more chief

[@thealduinslayer4903]

Petrit A. Lawbringer? Shaman?! Wat?!

[@frankenbeans9346]

Well orochi, and raider are right up there with him

[@VerySolid]

Lot of bad players in this comment section lmao, ty for the vid freeze

[@johnsmith-fk7fw]

yeah so many anti-shinobi crybabies...just learn to play lmao

[@frankenbeans9346]

@@johnsmith-fk7fw lol, imagine being so unskilled and a pussy that you had to use shinobi 🤣, well I doubt you have to imagine it being that you're already living it.

[@duhman3649]

@@frankenbeans9346 The Shinobi really isn't broken at all. He has a bad health pool and the majority of his moves (short and long range) are quite reactable and easy to block or parry. All of you salty noobs need to either get better or just stop trying to get Ubisoft to nerf hero's that you're not good enough to fight

[@NightWolf-si7st]

@@duhman3649 One day if ever you will get to the rank where you can not touch a shinobi because he does nothing you can punish and you will fuck up sooner or later you will understand. Go for a trounament seriusly. On the last tournament i was beaten in the grand final by a shinobi because simply you can not punish him and he can punish you. (He is my counter but still nothing i said is false) This shinobi was not out of grandmaster for years(and i mean around gm 20 or better) which is tottaly fine for an easy to beat hero right ? put your fucking main down for a sec and realize that he isnt the best hero but he is badly designed and easily abused. Im a Warden main and she is one of the best if not the best duelist in the game. im not going around telling people she needs a buff or that she dosent need nerf just cause she is my main. Try to look at the facts rather than saying something like : you think my main is op reee you're a noob people did that with every broken/simply badly designed hero and its just boring at this point. Shinobi is one of the worst designed hero in the game rn.

[@NightWolf-si7st]

@@duhman3649 If you think Centurion is overpowered or broken i have nothing more to say.

[@Shidoitsukawaii]

Thanks for making this video. Shinobi needs some type of rework since nobody uses him anymore unless they pick him only to gang

[@ZeroCraic]

Delete Shinobi

[@yungmalaria]

Upupup

[@tristenpina3850]

No he's a good boy :(

[@cormoranoimperatore8413]

Stormychu a good boy with a 2km pussy

[@JelqSmith]

yung malaria you need to calm down

[@thealduinslayer4903]

Craic, I always knew you were the smartest of us all.

[@Going1outof10]

Good job everyone shinobi went from broken to straight broke living on the street.👍

[@NobdySpecific]

Man so many reps wasted 😔

[@tomatojuices5340]

For honor : we fight with honor! Shinobi : we don't do that here.

[@koneko.3006]

Ubisoft saw this video and said “yup this right here”

[@elpibemurcielago]

I think what shinobi does in the game is what a real ninja would normally do you can't make a ninja face his target completely since they don't do that although normally you can see a ninja facing someone or more than one face to face in some movie or something like that but that doesn't happen. The main thing about ninjas is to stay hidden and avoid combat at all costs, so I think that the fact that shinobi can escape the fighting was for the purpose

[@hervisdaubeny6305]

Imagine having to be in range? This comment was made by the Shinobi gang!

[@gabe3085]

Looking back I get why they had to remove some of the aspects of his defense but man getting rid of quad dash just really ruined the game for me. I'm sure he could have been changed in a way that didn't completely gut quad dashing. But man i remember just spending hours practicing my quad dashes in the training range with zero stamina restrictions. And pulling that sick movement out in-game was like nothing else the game had to offer. Even though most of the time it was just useless dodges it felt so cool. Really sucks that I'll never be able to experience that again

[@rowan8832]

Me: having a good fight in a 4v4 Shinobis: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@shmoving1977]

I used to play Shinobi a lot and one move or trick, if you wanna call it that, is using the kick and quadruple dodge. Using quadruple dodge (using charged heavy between dodges) to fake out the reaction of people. First I double dodged then waited a while to see their move, if they tried some punish I would just double dodge again and kick them, resulting in a free dmg. Also I have had utilized deflect the most, it is just way easier than on other characters, thanks to the double dodge or even quadruple dodge. Ofcourse sometimes it would have weird interactions with people.

[@fearspackofwolves699]

He is clearly very safe and considerably broken but if they rework/nerf him I would really love for him to have 120 health

[@zachariz1490]

Fear's Pack of Wolves yeah, 10 more hp tp resist one more shaman light attack. Wouldn't change much unless they make him a character that is in range

[@ogmudbone9093]

Thank you freeze very cool, I cant wait for all the chromosome abundant players to come in here, hit you with the "b-b-b-bb-b-but he has 10 less hp so he dies in 3 hit unlike every other character who also dies in 3 hits, basically no health" before they go back to munching on the crayons. Also im in this video :)

[@yungmalaria]

🤪🖍

[@TSE_WOODY]

yung malaria dude can you make a old school vid for shinobi pls about the crayon devourers

[@yungmalaria]

woody old school as in what? Rant video? Blade of aids?

[@danestambaugh255]

@@yungmalaria a blade of aids remake with shino would be fuckin lovely

[@dawidwojacki5049]

-Play your shinobi rep 30 -on drugs =everything in this video compressed to 2 minutes of gank.

[@lux6230]

This entire video was amazing, but that bit about charging the heavy counting as an attack in revenge blew my mind. I never knew that. O.O

[@itzminogue2645]

Its the same with HL sitting on offense lol. Its so great to see tha happening

[@zachariz1490]

Itz Minogue didn't even know it was a thing. Eager to try that

[@ArsonBoy5996]

BUT RAIDER THO FREEZE *R A I D E R*

[@yungmalaria]

if he can’t attack there’s nothing broken in his moveset pepega let’s demand he gets attacks and then complain about his broken defense after But also he’s fine don’t change him *Help me*

[@slothboi7131]

Hey ur that guy that makes cool vids

[@ArsonBoy5996]

@@slothboi7131no I'm just a good little boy my mommy can tell you that much

[@slothboi7131]

@@ArsonBoy5996 I wish I had a mom

[@justpette1503]

That's some pretty advanced mechanics you see there. I hate shinobi, but now you've confirmed my thoughts regarding its dumb DPS, hyper armor, and grabs.

[@theguardlorenzo5898]

i have seen once a shinoby that got hit by 4 people and the deflect affected all of the 4 guys

[@jacket8818]

I don’t think that’s a thing anymore

[@Alex_Aramayo]

No the shinobi deflected all 4 but only damaged 1 opponent Trust me ik bc I've externally deflected a shit ton of times p.s. i'm a rep 35 Shinobi

[@yungmalaria]

I think it only applies to the guy he’s locked on, it will play the animation for all four but only do damage to that one guy iirc

[@danestambaugh255]

malaria doesn't it stack the damage though

[@6ixlxrd]

Now Jormungander with those fast lights and constant hyper-armor is the most broken character in the game.

[@cloude8496]

Fast lights and Constant hyperamor ahahahah good joke,get good

[@kailius790]

Jorm sucks ass, he is just a glorified cent

[@wyvern5890]

Git gud you fucking idiot

[@braydenfitz318]

I’m a Shinobi main and I love the fuck outta the character BUT GIVE ME MORE MOVES TO USE THAN JUST KICKING AND BACKFLIPPING. DO YOU KNOW HOW BORING IT IS TO USE TWO MOVES WITH THE OCCASIONAL MIXUP? Still love the character tho

[@Thechickenmafia]

this is so true. you literslly can't fight them if there 500 YARDS AWAY. WTF?! IK they're NINJAS but cmon! INFINITE STAMINA

[@ancientplayercham4939]

210 hp Shinobi VS highlander = tofu soup

[@HELLCAT0877]

wait....shinoBOIY got HA and super armour? *CRY IN LAWBRINGER*

[@jeanvaljean6433]

shut up lawbringer doesnt need any besides he has ha on shove

[@nialencapefet5154]

Well, will of fire. If you watch Naruto, it will make sense, they have like extra 20 liters of blood and up until their flashback episode is over, they can't die.

[@eskimojoe5474]

Doomstar 95 Hold up. So you’re saying that a small Japanese man wearing nothing but cloth and holding little scythes deserves HA on nearly every single one of his moves, but a literal tank made of steel plates with a 6 foot tall axe doesn’t need any at all?

[@jeanvaljean6433]

@@eskimojoe5474 this sort of thinking is fucking stupid and wrong,berserker would not have any hyper armour if that was the case and that would make him awful.Of course i'm not saying he needs any armour on his zone,but please for the sake of god do not make any fucking realist arguments.Not in for honor.

[@FishAnvil]

Wait hyper armor and super armor?

[@mena10ss]

You also forgot that the deflect goes through hyper armor attacks AND multiple characters as well, making it completely safe to deflect unlike other assassins.

[@cocaineape]

To be fair all deflects should beat hyper armor

[@АрсенийСмирнов-ю8к]

If i remember correctly, berserkers always have their GBs, except in case of backflip.

[@mena10ss]

big boy true, but until then it’s bs lol

[@mena10ss]

@Semi-Iron warrior well in a gank situation it’s pretty pointless to deflect guardbreak with zerk since you’ll just get hammered. Shinobi literally just evades EVERYTHING from one deflect

[@АрсенийСмирнов-ю8к]

@@mena10ss that is true, but i thought we were talking about hyperarmor problem.

[@doctormoney106]

This character is the best, best-worst character I've seen in ANY fighting game This video was fuckin hysterical Shinobi is this wierd unholy abobination of design holy shit

[@lefty5628]

It's sad how many people are completely missing the point of this video, thank you for saying what has been on every decent player's mind for so long, people defending all of this purely broken BS cus "shino has low health". No character should only be good when played in a way that defeats the purpose of the game

[@saltsnorter7823]

It’s not even low, 110 HP is 10 less than standard assassins. I don’t see how people even come up with that argument.

[@lefty5628]

Yeah it isn't really that low and the whole roster dies in 3-4 heavies which IMO is another massive issue in FH right now

[@lefty5628]

I shouldn't say it isn't low cut it is, everyone has a small health pool

[@sergeantsentry8864]

Salt Snorter they came up with that argument when he had 90 health.

[@yungmalaria]

SergeantSentry Honestly made even less sense then when he had 400 ms kick and I think even 500 ms side dash recovery. Also was even less characters that could punish his stuff, think it was valk that could punish kick back in the day.

[@jmoore7797]

I like the ability to grab allies, since it could serve as a quick escape for anyone who's getting Ganked/Low Health

[@zachariz1490]

J Moore it still requires perfect placement

[@zer0_ner034]

I hate how shinobi can backflip as soon as he lands from his dodge kick bash animation.

[@zachariz1490]

Zer0_ Ner0 throwing a heavy with some characters tracks the backflip. It's just useless to backflip since the kick itself almost can't be punished

[@zer0_ner034]

@@zachariz1490 Ah. And here I was doing a light in an attempt to punish.

[@liamwillauer9677]

I think that a large portion of people who play shinobi say that he isn't broken because they get punished a lot. But I think judging by what you've shown is that they just aren't really good at shinobi. Some would argue that he's fine because it is good to reward skill in this game, which it is, but characters should always be judged by what they are capable of. AKA the top players for that character. If the character is capable of being completely broken then the character is broken. Also your point about low health being like a broken ability with a long cooldown was an excellent argument.

[@zachariz1490]

Liam Willauer 10 hp less than your average assassin is nothing. Wow, you can survive one less attack from shaman with her light attacks. Good job

[@absoluteladd2321]

This hasn't aged well

[@SergeantTittyfist]

It aged perfectly. The fact that Ubi actually bothered to change this broken mess of a character just goes to show how right this video was.

[@brus6919]

@@SergeantTittyfist ok but they did It twice, the first nerf was ok but the second one was unnecessary

[@discoalice]

I found you randomly lol, I don't regret it at all, new sub

[@CallMeMark231]

Thank God a major KZbinr is finally talking about this walking abomination of a character

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

Shinobi is not dificult 1v1 but in a gank you better lock on the shinobi and not turn your back on him, otherwise it will be a very short gank.

[@NightWolf-si7st]

if he woudnt work in 1v1 he you woudnt see him on tournaments

[@maxwellfarris5410]

I’m a shinobi main and I personally can’t wait to see what they do.

[@FishAnvil]

In a year?

[@bemjanim138]

You poor poor man

[@MicCheckMemoirs]

*Light attacks* *back flips* *enemy attacks* YOU’VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD

[@novasatanas9675]

This is my least favorite character in the game lol. They just don't even play the same game and they ruin 4v4 game modes.

[@kermitthefrog8243]

Its weird to look back on old shinobi and how far from the main mechanics are from his reworks

[@djad4118]

Well it’s settled, the only real historical sword combat game worth playing is Minecraft.

[@TakeshiGundam]

I’ve made Shinobi one of my mains since the day he came out. Many Shinobi mains have sadly brought a bad reputation to this character. Even if he’s my favorite character I know he has problems and his current state he really doesn’t fit in the game. I seriously hope Ubi has a rework planned for him in the future. Nerfing him again and again isn’t going to fix him, what it’ll end up doing is make Shinobi an even more annoying character since it’ll just make everyone have to resort to more desperate tactics.

[@ryzzoz4357]

It's funny because it would be the people who don't main shinobi that do most of the bull

[@MetallicBascinet]

Every Faction should have some form of ranged character, lol. That'd be one huge mess.

[@anthonyvee4251]

A Viking that throws unblockable war hammers lmao

[@Anonymous-bz4ms]

@@anthonyvee4251 😍 would be my new main

[@zachariz1490]

AnthonyVee thor in the viking faction? I'm in. Make the effects available on attacks and i'll throw my hammers

[@papadaws5369]

This aged beautifully

[@papasauce234]

I found a stupid high damage combo with shaman on shinobi, you deflect, kick, ranged heavy and then the shaman goes for a bite immediately after then you roll in and do a heavy light at the end of her bite. I don't remember the damage but it's a lot.

[@Forkontheleft]

easily over a hundred

[@wesleyblack8302]

i like how for honor balance is so off that the ranged guard break is a death wish in a 1v1, but broken in multi-fights. It's like they just wanted to piss off everyone in their community.

[@MetallicBascinet]

Shinobi has Super-Armour. All other Heavies only have Hyper-Armour. K

[@FishAnvil]

And berserker, on every single attack

[@voidszns435]

@@FishAnvil zerk has hyper armour not super

[@FishAnvil]

@@voidszns435 oh is there a difference? Maybe I'm just confusing it with terms from platform fighters like RoA or Smash

[@עומרלוי-ס8כ]

@@FishAnvil super armor ignores not only attacks, but also bashes

[@FishAnvil]

@@עומרלוי-ס8כ ok

[@camomoose1078]

I remembered Shinobi being ranged on release and checked it on youtube just to make sure it wasnt a feaver dream. While it was a stupid idea, its still way more interesting then the current kick punch stuff.

[@StormKnight1]

Shinobi: As the most lightly armored character has the most hyper and super armor on par with Ms hyper armor herself, Hitokiri. Lawbringer: Am I a jOkE tO yUo ?

[@dragostoma9033]

Actually Shaman is more lightly armored than shinobi, but yeah your argument is so true

[@danielk.5864]

Im pretty happy that LB doesnt have hyperamor just because he would be a bit too strong too. And then he gets hated on, and i really dont want to read every other game about another main of mine that he is absolutley broken and should be deleted. (Yes im a LB/Shugi/Raider main.I like big boys with big weapons)

[@jaymiddleton1782]

Do people think LB should have hyper armour because it had the word “Armor” in it? LBs armour is reflected in his enormous health pool.

[@yungmalaria]

Hyperarmor doesnt have any real life equivalents so why does plate armor = unstaggerable, this isn’t dark souls poise

[@redrumssam5888]

@@yungmalaria THANK YOU

[@the_big_boogaloo_man946]

I'm pretty new to the game and have taken a liking to Shinobi but I think it is mostly because of his identity and deflects over anything else so I wouldn't mind a rework for him seeing as he is definitely all over the place as you showed. But what would you like to see out of a rework for Shinobi?

[@yez1062]

Ok but they just destroyed Shinobi by making his backflip ridiculous and by deleting superarmor... Can you do this video again

[@goldensp3038]

Ubisoft nerfs Tackle: Move still has hyperarmor and can hit you if you dodge. Ubisoft nerfs Crushing Charge: easy to dodge, even if warlord just in range to hug you. Even if you don't dodge, crushing charge can miss you, cause tracking is shit.

[@danestambaugh255]

Shinobi? That's a weird way to spell R A I D E R ammiright?

[@gamersforlife3440]

ikr

[@shqipe7760]

Hahaha yesss

[@TH32N1P3RJ32U2]

No, because raider is definitely overtuned, but shinobi is actually BROKEN mechanics wise

[@danestambaugh255]

@@TH32N1P3RJ32U2 >implying this wasn't a joke

[@watyh3019]

I remember ledging my friend with a range GB in a brawl once. The moment I thought about it, the fate of my friend was decided: he just HAD to be thrown in lava from my GB.

[@bobizemo]

shinobi is the only character i won't mind if they deleted

[@TheEpicPancake]

I like the idea of ranged attacks but the execution makes me want an execution.

[@trudahkness9976]

Damn, no wonder EFB mained this character. This is ridiculous.

[@darkrage1138]

Dude thanks for this, I always wondered why as LB my heavies never did anything to stop shinobi from their constant kicks and flips. Who would've guessed shinobi of all characters would have such invulnerability to stagger.

[@Ben-cw2ey]

Overtunned damage you say? Why does Raider come to mind...

[@gavinnapier4532]

Atleast Raiders attacks are only guaranteed on parried, shinobi gets 40 damage off GB and 24 or 29 off a heavy parry while raider gets 15 on heavy parry and 40 off a light parry and 28 at most on gb

[@yungmalaria]

Most damage in For Honor is overtuned, Raiders is offensively focused for the most part, still things like the 40 damage stun tap chain finisher heavy is really dumb. But most people don’t even want to part with their 40 damage light parries. I don’t know why Raider gets more of the mentions for characters recently changed having high damage when LB does even more damage off punishes than shin does.

[@山本五十六-u3b]

@@gavinnapier4532 and your not gonna talk about how broken stunning tap is?

[@gavinnapier4532]

@@山本五十六-u3b that's different, it's still broken but it's doesn't deal insane damage

[@山本五十六-u3b]

@@gavinnapier4532 are u sure about that? literally every assassin in the game get melted by raider stunning tap.

[@novawolf9370]

Thank you! I been saying this for awhile. I’m a old Shinobi main. I stopped using him because I refuse to do the cheeky shit like this to get wins. So because I tired to play fairly I’d get my ass beat because Shinobi is trash if you don’t abuse broken mechanics

[@ironhead2047]

I'm definitely convinced that everyone who disagrees either doesn't even try to understand the point Freeze is making or didn't even bother watch the video at all and instead just come here to complain, just cause they can't deal with other heroes that at least follow the games general rules.

[@Davidhenry1210]

I think they wanted him to be the most assassin character we would have. Run into a group fight combo 1 player then run away (givin his speed). Anyone who tries to run away get grappled. The problem with this that this game is way more "stand your ground" combat so his kit conflicts alot.

[@Championmobby]

Freeze get some sleep mate

[@deadlees1254]

So I have a question isn’t it stupid how you can slide and ledge yourself but raider and warlord can charge into a ledge and not die because you can apparently walk on nothing?