Flaps UP Landing Tutorial | ZIBO MOD 737 flown by Real Boeing 737 Captain

[@captainmonster1829]

What a nice firm landing!

[@42sh4rk]

Why doesn't the flaps up landing checklist tell you to move the flaps lever to up? Asking because the flaps could extend suddenly on short final and give you a nice surprise :D

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi Felix, excellent question! With the Alternate Flap System in ARM the TE Flap Bypass valve is in the Bypass position which means only the alternate system can be used to extend/retract flaps, moving the flap lever will do absolutely nothing except update the bug speeds on the PFD. Additionally in normal operation there is a system called the FSEU (Flaps Slat Electronic Unit) which prevents uncommanded motion of the flaps. FD2S

[@mon330]

Great content, as always! In 2008 I was on a US Airways 757 from Philadelphia to Manchester and we had to return to Philly shortly after departure, as the flaps were stuck in their takeoff setting. It was a rainy, windy evening, which added to the drama! We entered a hold for about 30 minutes and then made a fast (albeit smooth) landing on 27L. Emergency vehicles were waiting for us. A couple of hours later we were on a 767 and landed in Manchester just a few hours late, which wasn't bad considering! As far as I recall, the same crew operated the second flight.

[@Simleybob]

Fantastic tutorial as always! Must be scary to be in that situation IRL, even if you're really experiences as well - also Imagining being a passenger! Crazy situation. Thanks again great video, I wish there was a flightdeck2sim for every aircraft :)

[@flightdeck2sim]

Thank you Simley Bob! Non-Normal flap conditions are trained and reviewed during some recurrent sim sessions so we are prepared. As mentioned during the tutorial the chances of doing an all Flaps up Landing is very remote! FD2S

[@peterjoyce7198]

Excellent video captain and a perfectly executed touchdown.

[@rohitshastry2007]

Really nice video captain. Really I never thought we can also do a flash less landing

[@rocco1218]

I love your tutorials, thank you very much👍👍

[@KaptenPanna]

Finally! This is what I’ve been requesting since day one I stsrted watching your channel 😍

[@KEITHGEE1000]

Excellent always, thanks! One of those “really earn your money” situations should it occur.

[@robink9033]

It is almost like a normal concorde landing! :)

[@wilhelmglanzer2994]

Great tutorial, as always

[@muratyuce3756]

This is a great fligt course. Thanks for every word!!

[@Simpilotrichy]

Fab demo and the Orbx looking superb Captain

[@bertbertsonson]

Very interesting stuff, my house is right on the flight path into Manchester so spent most of the time looking for it. I hope you waved at the people in the viewing park while taxing :-)

[@Bvetube101]

Excellent video! One thing to point out one items you missed when your speed fell below the UP speed as discussed and per the QRH, you forgot to set the bank angle selector to 15°

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi Bvetube101 There is no requirement to select 15 degress AOB on the bank angle selector, the QRH just instructs you to limit bank angle to 15 degrees below the UP Speed. Quoting our guidance "It is a common error and misunderstanding to select 15 degrees on the AOB selector when advised to limit bank angle in the QRH below a certain speed. This can have serious implications during positioning to final approach and the go around once above the up speed (terrain/spacing etc) due to the increased turn radius" In the event of a go around in this situation I just need to increase my speed by 10kts to allow me to bank at 25 degrees. FD2S

[@Bvetube101]

@@flightdeck2sim Ah that makes sense, I think I misunderstood, cheers! Really enjoyed it otherwise

[@flightdeck2sim]

@@Bvetube101 No problem and thanks for the kind words!

[@Andrea-wz9sj]

Wow nice and firm. Well done cap!

[@ConcordeFan]

20:43 You're actually going faster than a Concorde would on touchdown!

[@Patrick-ui5pc]

Wow amazing Video! But which perf calculator are you using? Thanks in advance

[@samuelcv6565]

I had on B737400 LE TRANSIT light, it was only a sensor issue ....out of way if you are in contatct with ZIBO team can you ask them if there is any chance to have geometric VNAV option between alt constraints vs intermediate T/D points during descent in ZIBO?

[@flightdeck2sim]

Only thing I had once was after pushback I selected F5 and nothing happened, taxied onto stand and AOG (although I'm sure the alternate system would have worked in flight!) Only option for now is VNAV idle path descent. FD2S

[@aeysim]

Great video as always. Thanks. But I wish there were subtitles too.

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi aeysim! There should be closed captions (If on PC press "c") FD2S

[@aeysim]

@@flightdeck2sim Now it is OK.

[@johnp94]

Excellent video and very informative

[@tomc525]

Great tutorial when’s ur next stream

[@JosephSeabourne]

Could you do a unsafe landing gear position tutorial? Assuming emergency extension didn't work.

[@flightdeck2sim]

Thanks for the suggestion Joseph, that has been requested a few times, something I could look into in the future! FD2S

[@FlyByPC]

Not too often you rate a landing both "Nice job!" and "OOF!" Not exactly butter, but just what the doctor ordered. Thanks for showing how it's done. ...Also, that panel looks slightly different -- two landing light switches instead of four. Different variant of the 738?

[@iamtheAtomicPenguin]

LED lights. On the ZIBO you can choose that in the EFB (tablet) settings.

[@nutshellpilot5294]

Hey cap, what is that landing performance calculator. If it is your companies do you know an alternative for the sim that I can use. Thanks, love the videos and streams

[@bradleybull1787]

Very nice! How come full reverse was only the same as second detent (74%ish)?

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi Bradely, limitation with my peripheral and the MOD, couldn't set the 82% you'd expect with MAX REV FD2S

[@x2100]

My super chat question of a few weeks back in a full-on tutorial! Thank you for a thorough tutorial Captain! Would this be a mayday, pan pan pan or neither call to ATC?

[@trist2353]

Believe this is generally a PAN, reason for me saying this is aircraft is under full control & not in a state of distress or imminent danger - more of a state of urgency really 🤷🏼‍♂️ & they could always divert if they had to, to a longer runway

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi Jared! You're welcome! A PAN call will suffice as Trist exactly mentioned. FD2S

[@samuelcalleja5076]

Hello Captain. Awesome explaination as always sir! You mentioned that the chances of doing this type of NNC are very low since you need to lose all 3 hyd systems. Wouldn't losing all 3 systems impact nearly all other system onboard (gear, speedbrakes, brakes, reversers...)? Hope you reply 😁

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi Samuel! Hope you're well! Think you misheard me on that one! I wasn't referring to all x3 Hydraulic Systems! That would be a pretty tough day in the office! The 3 systems I was referring to. 1. HYD SYS B - This is what powers the flaps in normal operation 2. Issue with TE Flaps Alternate Extension (Electric Motor or perhaps you have TE flap Assymetry) 3. Issue with LE Flaps Alternate Extension which uses SBY Hydraulic Power FD2S

[@darren_anscombe]

Would speed brakes be working if flaps and slats aren't in this situation ?

[@seannutley1414]

I’m not 100 percent sure but there’s 3 or 2 hydraulic systems on the 737. The spoilers or speed breaks could be on the other system so if there’s a failure of one system you could lose flaps but not lose speed breaks. I’m not type rated on the 738 so I’m not 100 percent sure

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi Darren, they should be! The flight spoilers are powered by A and B System HYD px so losing one system would still mean half the spoilers are available, you do lose ground spoilers completely if you lose Sys A. FD2S

[@FlyGuy1]

Hmmm, maybe I should just land with flaps up from now on 😆

[@tomc525]

Hi, I can’t find the link to the this alpaca livery in the old vids could u drop a link to it thx. (Trying to collect the whole fleet)

[@cevizkabugu3308]

hı zibo mode Engines do not stop even though I have closed the fuel valves ?Engines can be started without opening fuel valves

[@OptimusSubPr1me]

You probably don't need to worry about the high energy braking and cooldown period because this aircraft is likely to not be dispatched anytime soon, correct?

[@flightdeck2sim]

Absolutely Jason, this aircraft won't be going anywhere for a while but we would still utilise all stopping forces (Reverse/Spoilers/Runway Length) to minimise brake temperature. FD2S

[@AdamB-sw7zm]

LE FLAPS 👌🇫🇷

[@Naur15inthesun]

Les flaps @Adam les flaps... C'est du pluriel 😂😂😂

[@AdamB-sw7zm]

@@Naur15inthesun pardon 😂

[@speed150mph]

So I gotta ask. In the beginning of the video the way you worded it made it seem as if this was an out of the blue thing that was completely unexpected. Does Zibo offer random failures like that, or was this just some scripted scenario building?

[@Turbo_S_Em_funf]

There are videos of an Airbus A340 and Boeing 737 NG performing emergency landings with no flaps here on KZbin.

[@flightdeck2sim]

Is that including both LE and TE flaps? TE and LE on the 737 at least use two different backup systems, the chance of one failing is remote but both is pretty unlikely! If you're mentioning the Southwest one I think they had the LE flaps extended, TE flaps were stuck up. FD2S

[@Turbo_S_Em_funf]

@@flightdeck2sim Yes I'm referring the Southwest 737 but thanks so much for the clarity.

[@flightdeck2sim]

@@Turbo_S_Em_funf Anytime! In the situation with the SW with the TE flaps up they would have completed the "TE Flaps Up Landing" Checklist which assumed the LE flaps have extended (You can just about see it in the video!) With the LE flaps extended the final approach speed is VREF40+40 ,15kts slower than an "All Flaps Up Landing" so still pretty fast! FD2S

[@kanba5891]

I Have a Question, The Flaps Animation is not working on the plane but the purpose of the Flaps is not working anyone know how to make it move like in real life?

[@connormartin9831]

How come you wouldn’t use Max Autobrake? I’m guessing it’s a case with excessive brake temperatures

[@flightdeck2sim]

Hi Connor, in hindsight it would've been better to select in this scenario because we actually need to factor the landing distance when we calculate landing with a non-normal configuration, fine to use if needed. FD2S

[@connormartin9831]

@@flightdeck2sim Understood. Great tutorial as always. Appreciate what you do for the community 👌

[@____tyrael_______3437]

I was wondering if the plane will bounce during the touchdown on such a high speed

[@flightdeck2sim]

One of the reasons why the FCTM says light forward pressure may be needed during the flare and after touchdown but yes, it will want to jump back in the air! FD2S

[@toibis]

Nice

[@eyesofvenus]

Would you blow the tires out landing at that speed?

[@flightdeck2sim]

Very good point and something that would need to be considered at higher landing weights, hence the need to burn off fuel if too heavy. The maximum tyre speed for us is 225mph which is around 195kts FD2S

[@KarthikNakul]

Can anyone tell me how to get that performance calc tool pls

[@AdamB-sw7zm]

There’s an excel spreadsheet made by toga simulations and it’s available on their website

[@iamtheAtomicPenguin]

Check out VAS Airplane Toolbox, fantastic piece of software.

[@firezyt]

That intro scared me lmao

[@Biene2755]

8:20 What kind of tool is this?

[@x2100]

There is one that is a bit similar on the tablet where you can view Avitab. Go to Fuel, Weight & Balance and then Performance Landing. Enter the information and go to page 2.

[@Biene2755]

Thank you all for the answers!

[@martinedouard2478]

Guys, did you really experience an all flaps up landing in real life?? On a 737-400 in an average weight, your body attitude is a bit higher than 10 degrees up. It means that if you flare the plane at the landing you’ll most likely have a tail strike… The speed is so high that the ground effect results in a soft landing without flare. I’m talking about an own experience!

[@m1gs-]

damn im like 321, anyway excelent tutorial as always

[@boeingbwoy]

nice firm lo cost airline landing

[@AdamB-sw7zm]

The priority isn’t buttering a landing in this situation, the goal is to land safely be it for a low cost airline or a big airline

[@boeingbwoy]

@@AdamB-sw7zm i was joking

[@tomstravels520]

Le devices...I thought it was an American plane, not french 😜

[@flaps4038]

I personally take this offensive... This is just a joke (Flaps 40)