Flat Earther attempts to explain why objects disappear bottom first ...

[@theworldofpanda6559]

i always find it funny that; some lone bored dude in ancient greece with two sticks, some timing, and a decent distance, "yup, round. some kind of giant ball, imma make a guess at its size and later be proved kinda close". an entire community thriving with passion, with all modern technology and perfect measuring skills "its flat.... i cant definitely prove it but it is, trust me bro, im a scientist"

[@boravedat2931]

least chad greek scientist:

[@phaedrus000]

It was in ancient Egypt, but yeah pretty much

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Much like how the likes of Galileo & Copernicus used early telescopes and were able to work out the layout of the solar system - yet a flat Earther with a P900 can't even get them in focus yet believes they've proved it all wrong

[@KamalcranioBR]

hahaha I love how he sounded. "Some kind of giant ball..." as if he was already bored from getting the answer and was looking for something new

[@ottoboettger9627]

Dont shoot im not a flerfer, but I heard that to fit that experiment, the sun was either as it is, or like way smaller and 9000' away and the earth is flat. If you find a flerfer that can do math watch out for this

[@ctsean]

Flerf logic: "The horizon looks flat because the Earth is flat - trust your eyes" also "Boats only appear to go over a horizon due to an illusion caused by diffraction - don't trust your eyes"

[@tonib5899]

They are both illogical and dishonest.

[@ctsean]

@@tonib5899of course they are - our eyes are probably our most untrustworthy sense organs. They can be tricked incredibly easily

[@jameshart2622]

Yep, they say "Trust your eyes" only as long as it fits their contrariness. As soon as you point out that yeah it looks flat...and kind of _far, far too small_, suddenly all the nonsense word salad spills out.

[@george-b3i-d2d]

there must be a gigantic gutter on the edge of the flat earth to catch all the ships/boats that fall off the edge

[@george-b3i-d2d]

this reply was for the above @ctsean comment

[@Jonassoe]

Curious how "atmospheric effects" always conspire to produce exactly the effects that you would expect on a round Earth.

[@mjjoe76]

For flerfs, sunrise and sunset are conspiracies.

[@awatt]

Flat earth... Nothing works.

[@Mushbug88]

Must be the free masons

[@BasovMichail]

I bet that if you ask God about the real shape of the Earth. He will answer: Round. It doesn't prove that Earth is round. It just prove that conspiracy doesn't have a bounds... (c) 😂😂😂

[@wiggles7976]

The devil did that to test your faith. Praise god and his flat earth.

[@mrhyde3029]

The only thing any rational person should says to a Flat Earther is, "Sorry, you're an idiot." Reasoning with people who are willfully ignorant is impossible.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

[@ReinoGoo]

And they are not smart enough to know when they have been beaten.

[@RichWoods23]

You can safely drop the 'sorry' from that sentence. It just invites the idiot to retort, "You're sorry? Why? What are trying to hide from me?!"

[@ShizukuSeiji]

9 times out of 10 they think this way because they are religious nuts of an especially fundamentalist kind and the Bible says its flat (or they think it says that). So if its a globe then the Bible is wrong - and of course to them that's impossible. The other 1 out of 10 are just attention seeking (and money grabbing) trolls.

[@MigWith]

true asf, A complete waste of time. like, what meaningful progress can you produce with that? none, not a single technology produced from that ""knowledge"".

[@blankityblankblank2321]

Basically: Don't argue with a photographer about light-based phenomena.

[@doofismannfred4778]

Heh. That doesn't stop them from arguing with a surveyor about surveying...which they do constantly.

[@Dr-Curious]

Basically: They aren't "arguing". Without fail, none of them understand how to argue properly. They watched someone who wasnt educated, ranting claims and rejecting answers without using a supported counter argument on YT. Or like Witsit, Oakley and all the other 🤡🤡 they invoke onus probandi to dodge ever having to answer anything.

[@doofismannfred4778]

@I_dreamed_my_name_was_Brandon Oh? Is there a specific thing you disagree with from Dave's presentation?

[@TerryPress]

but Don't Sphere The Truth has debunked this vid too.

[@Dr-Curious]

@@TerryPress The old "that's been debunked somewhere" fallacy? When I challenge you to explain the core point, you'll run, screaming at me to just go and watch the video, wont you. But I'll have shown you don't understand Sphere's arguments.

[@SamanthaLaurier]

I love Dave. Every video is just "Here's this stupid thing someone said, and here's every reason why it's wrong and stupid" while still being calm and respectful the entire time. I learn something new in almost every video.

[@Asko83]

Which is a nice comparison to Flerfer videos that often are 50% ranting and cursing and calling others liars. Dave and many other science youtubers actually focus on facts and theories because they love them.

[@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues]

It’s the dog. Really hard to yell while petting your best friend.

[@PeterArnold1969]

@@HoneyTone-TheSearchContinues Yeah. In almost every video, "Rusty" is thinking, "Are you going to debate with Flat Earthers again? Just wake me when you're done."

[@dog3y3]

He's very kind about it, though. Have you noticed? He never says they're idiots. He lets his science and math prove they're idiots and lets us infer his label for them.

[@billynair]

He is trying to explain to those who are "not sure". If I only watched flat earth videos and just figured it was flat then found Dave screaming and swearing, I'd just figure he is a lunatic and dismiss him (like we do with the flerfs)

[@michaelevans9392]

Flerfs: "All images of the globe Earth are CGI - fake news" Also flerfs: "Look at this beautiful computer-generated image that I made PROVING that the Earth is flat" Great stuff

[@recesorrecesor8924]

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[@The8BitGuy]

You know we can argue the science all day long. Here's what I want to know. If these people truly believe the earth is flat, why haven't they demonstrated this by traveling to the edge of the earth? I mean, how hard would that be to prove, if it were true?

[@sl5vix995]

You literally aren’t allowed to explore Antarctica as a regular citizen

[@briansomething5987]

​@@sl5vix995you literally are allowed to do exactly that. It is just another flerf lie that you can't.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

@sl5vix995 - I'd suggest you pause my video at 26:13 and read the article I had on my screen ... left it as a little easter egg

[@AM-rd9pu]

@@sl5vix995Since you couldn’t be bothered to read the Antarctic Treaty yourself (it’s rather short), I recommend you watch the video where MCToon reads it in its entirety.

[@AM-rd9pu]

@@sl5vix995 Title: Antarctic Treaty read in English Channel: Conspiracy Toonz

[@Isolder74]

They always focus on the exception pretending it’s the rule.

[@kunjanix7853]

Not exception because sometimes this exception can break the rule and need to fit in the model. But they are looking and using rare moments, that seems to fit in there models. This are no exceptions, because they are explained by the Rules of the physic and what we expat on a global.

[@localbod]

"They always focus on..." I see what you did there.

[@Isolder74]

@@kunjanix7853 Yes these ‘exceptions’ can be explained but these are people who don’t want to understand these things. They ignore the explanations then go on as if they are the norm. Look at the ‘black swan’ where they take extreme atmospheric conditions and try to claim things that can’t be confirmed because of how distorted the image is, the horizon is here when it could be truly anywhere in the image. Some who are just copying others ‘homework’ even try to say you shouldn’t see the platforms at all on a globe.

[@amadeusarkham8012]

Nailed it

[@Isolder74]

@@localbod When can they ever focus anything?

[@timothythompson7167]

In July, 1987, I sailed from Hawaii to California aboard the US Navy helicopter carrier USS Belleau Wood (LHA-3). From the flag bridge, about 120 feet above sea level, I could see the masts of the two destroyers leading the convoy, about 100 miles ahead. Using the large binoculars, I could clearly see the cables (no more than a couple inches across) securing the masts, and all of the small scale structure of the masts, everything on the order of a few inches in size. The upper portions of the masts stuck right out of the water, with no sign of the ships under them, at all. There was no hint of any mirage effect, and under the circumstances, well out to sea, one would not have expected it anyway. So I have done the round-Earth verification observation myself. But the flatties will never Surrender. BTW, your faithful dog should get co-star credit!

[@kevinfisher1345]

I highly doubt those destroyers were 100 miles ahead. I know from experience on the destroyer I served on we could not see Hawaiian islands from 100nm away. Now the signal bridge was not 120 feet above, but we still could not see it from that vantage point. At 120 feet of elevation and 100 miles distance, those ships would have had to been almost 1 mile tall in order to see them. And that is not even including refraction. Sorry but no. This varies, but typically US fleets travel just beyond the horizon distance from each other. So more like 15 - 25 miles apart. At 120 feet observer point and 25 miles apart sounds better as depending upon height of those particular destroyers, but the bottom ~90 feet would have been obscured and so would likely only have seen the top of the superstructures.

[@roberttanguay8532]

Been there done all of what you said with the exception of I was on a Destroyer. His pup definitely deserves credit

[@kevinsayes]

Tin can navy unite!

[@s1lentw1nter]

You also observed that zoom doesn’t bring an object back over the horizon, because if it did you would have seen the entire ship and not just a mast.

[@Colorado_Native]

Ah, no. The math just doesn't support your text. If you were 120 feet above the water, the easy math is to multiply your 120 feet by 1.5 giving you 180. Then take the square root of that and you get 13.4 miles you can see unobstructed. To see 100 miles away, you would have to be about 6,700 feet up. Take the 6,700 times 1.5 getting 10,050. The square root of that is 100.25 miles. Why do you think the Air Force flies their U-2 airplanes 70,000 feet up? For the fun of it? No. Take 70,000 X 1.5 getting 105,000, and the square root of that is 324 miles. They can film about 324 miles away without flying directly over their target. Hope this helps.

[@fmixthings]

I recently bought a cheap microscope on Amazon just to play with and show things to the kids. It claims to have the ability to do 1000x magnification. I put a coin case designed for 1oz silver rounds 1.8 inches in diameter under the microscope and looked at the edge. It's fairly straight! Imagine that, when you get close enough to something round, it becomes rather flat. Just for good measure I put a quarter under the microscope and I can only see a slight curve. I traced around my thermos lid, 3.8 inches diameter, and the line at 1000x was perfectly straight as far as I could see! What magic is this!!!

[@davehoward22]

You're blinding me with science

[@sarahkatherine8458]

Round coin is a lie from the government. The coin's edge is actually flat.

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

Must be satanic magic. Have you sacrificed someone recently or maybe a loved pet? Woken up to see hundreds of crows in your front or back yard? Was there any localized blood rain on or around your house? It could explains so many things! 😈😈

[@tonyzed6831]

Witchcraft!!!!!

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

@@tonyzed6831 Mirrors reflecting on mirrors? High-tech sorcery!

[@nmappraiser9926]

I love the poetic justice; their proof of flat earth is literally a mirage.

[@Dinomanion]

Nice

[@thudthud5423]

Flat Earth is proven by misunderstandings, misconceptions, distortions, illusions and just plain dishonesty.

[@mrmale9985]

You're talking utter crap 😂

[@oldcomrade658]

​@@mrmale9985yes, "proving" flat earth with mirage is crap

[@mrmale9985]

@@oldcomrade658 😆

[@christasimon9716]

0:16 "...regarding why objects at the horizon disappear bottom-up." Well, the problem right there is that on a flat Earth, there is no horizon to begin with. Looking out from the shore, the ocean and the sky recede for...ever - hundreds and hundreds of miles until they (the sea and sky) disappear into atmospheric haze. There is no clear horizon line _ever_ on a flat Earth. Strange that on a globe Earth, the crisp horizon line on a clear day is the edge of the "spherical sector". Once again, what we observe matches a globe. Flat Earthers ignore what they see, and somehow see things that don't exist.

[@gowdsake7103]

Exactly and radars would have an unlimited range

[@judet2992]

@@gowdsake7103not how that works, atmospheric conditions degrade the waves, it isn’t line of sight.

[@KNT.63]

Your comment does not make any since there is a horizon no matter what you want to say the Earth is flat or curved, the bottom disappearing because of perspective, has nothing to do with what you are saying , all you have to do is get A P 900 which is a camera with a zooming lens or something similar, you can bring the object back into view, mirages have nothing to do with that, just because you have 50 likes, basically means nothing, I'm sure more than that agreed with Hitler.

[@deathsheir2035]

Horizon is the apparent line where the surface of the Earth meets the sky. So yes, sadly, even on a Flat Earth, there is still a Horizon, because even they would have an apparent line where Earth's Surface meets sky. The problem isn't whether the Horizon exists or not, but rather what happens at that apparent line.

[@jaimevivesp]

@@KNT.63 "you can bring the object back into view" That has never happened for a boat that already had the bottom occluded.

[@jasonjennette7389]

My standard go to is: Why are lighthouses tall? If the Earth is flat, short lighthouses would be just as effective, much cheaper, and easier to maintain and less work for the keepers. If dangers are further out at the, the lighthouses are taller. Down here in coastal NC we have the "Graveyard of the Atlantic" off the coast and we also have several of the tallest lighthouses in the country.

[@Katy_Jones]

Don't talk about the lighthouse!

[@podge2525]

I went to Cape Hatteras Lighthouse when I was on holiday in NC. The Outer Banks are a fantastic place!

[@radarlockeify]

As someone who sails this argument is ridiculous. Sailing towards a windmill, land or a lighthouse it always appears top-down as you approach. This is why we have lighthouses, on a flat earth you'd just need a lightshed.

[@DonDueed]

Interestingly, on certain smaller bodies of water (e.g. Narragansett Bay), there are lighthouses whose lights are set quite low, more or less at the height of the roof of a single-story house. They don't need to be taller since they look out across only a few miles of open water.

[@petergaskin1811]

I totally agree as a sailor since 1975, I've done many long distance blue-water trips and seen a multitude of sunrises, sunsets, moonrises and moonsets at sea. There are no flat earth yachtsmen, I'd stake my life on it.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@petergaskin1811 to be a flat earth yachtsman these people would need to leave their homes and that's never gonna happen.

[@BrentonWalkerSailing]

@@petergaskin1811 "There are no flat earth yachtsmen, I'd stake my life on it" Fairly big claim there, Captain. I for one have crossed both the Pacific & Indian Oceans aboard recreational sailing vessels under my command. I know the earths surface is irrefutably & provably a level topographical plane. I know this as I've personally conducted various line of sight observations to test the accuracy of the earths alleged 6371km radius claim. You obvious haven't conducted this type of observation, if you had, you wouldn't be here parroting you're indoctrinated spinning ball belief. You state you've "seen a multitude of sunrises, sunsets, moonrises and moonsets at sea" Firstly, the absurdity of the heliocentric model doesn't have the moon or sun rising, setting or doing anything, that is you allegedly rolling over towards the appearing sun or rolling over backwards from a disappearing sun on your imaginary spinning space ball. ...Makes me laugh each time I say it. Secondly, the sun or moon moving into or out of our personal azimuthal grid of vision is in no way evidence for a spinning spheroid. If you've been sailing, and therefore navigating, in the 70's then you'd be aware of how celestial navigation and magnetic declination work. As you maybe aware, obtaining your position at sea using celestial bodies and a sextant has you measuring angles from a level or flat base line, one cannot measure an angle off a curved surface, that is not possible. The celestial bodies that move above us have remained in a precise 15 deg p/hr sidereal rotation above us for all recorded history. This is a measurable and observational fact that wouldn't be possible for a spheroid moving in at least 3 different vectors as it allegedly blasts through the ever expanding universe at incomprehensible speeds. As far as mag dec is concerned, if you're ever sailing south of Tasmania in the vicinity of Latitude: 72° 10' 54.5" S Longitude: 140° 9' 48.9" E, be aware that the magnetic compass variation for this position is +179 55' Which is a absolute joke. Some people will have the intellectual capacity to discern fact from fiction and discover the truth, and then there will be some who'll simply seek contentment in the consensus of their ignorance. Here is a interesting presentation by French circumnavigator, Herve Riboni, who is a flat earther thus rendering you a dead man by means of you're own admission. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6e9ZKeDpt6dftE

[@kevinfisher1345]

@@petergaskin1811 well there could be flat earth yachtsmen if their experience is local and on smaller bodies of water. The same with a pilot, which is why there are no flat earth pilots with international experience. Only those that have local short flights, like helicopter pilot.

[@Danfail100]

Even the AI-narrator sounded like it was about to call bullcrap

[@benj1008]

😆

[@shadowman7307]

As soon as I heard it I thought I somehow switched over to one of Zentreya's videos. :D

[@Danfail100]

🤣🤣@@shadowman7307

[@tmtmtlsml]

I kept expecting it to claim that it wasn't a coward before the video abruptly ended while "il vento d'oro" plays

[@richardharris5200]

Science always has a new excuse giggles

[@justincredible.]

Let them zoom in on Paris (from USA or GB), and get the Eiffel Tower (back) into view

[@timolynch149]

You know, it's the damnest thing. There I stood on the Cliffs of Moher, armed with a Gleason's map and a Psomethingorother, beautiful day lit by the small and local sun that somehow was also small and local in a bunch of other places while not visible at all in other places on flatardia and try as I might and I just could not take one clear picture of Greenland or Newfoundland. It's just like.. the earth isn't flat. But some guys in videos have said that's just the gubmint lying, so that must be the truth. 😂

[@NeutralDrow]

@@flatearth12 Someone tells you to "zoom in" on an object far away, and your immediate response is to pretend they're talking about using the naked eye?

[@TheRealBrit]

​@@flatearth12so atmospheric effects stop you seeing paris but somehow don't stop you seeing the sun when it should be directly over Paris. Midday for Paris is 6am for new york so while the sun is directly up for Paris it's rising for new york. The sun should be even further away than paris because its also high off the ground. Make it make sense.

[@NeutralDrow]

@@flatearth12 "today we can zoom things back in without the naked eye" Exactly! Therefore, justincredible is inviting you to do that. Stand in New York, and bring Paris into view. Personally, I think that's a little unfair, you'd need a pretty good telescope, so I'll propose something different. Stand on the cliffs of Dover, on a clear, cool, sunny day, and use a telescope to bring the Eiffel Tower into view. Those cliffs are 350' above sea level, higher than most of Paris' buildings but lower than the 1200' point of the Tower, so surely you could do it, right? Right? 🙃

[@doofismannfred4778]

​@@flatearth12"using zoom you bring them back in" No footage exists where the proportion obstructed on a distant object changes with the amount of zoom employed. You've never seen it. I've never seen it. Nobody has ever seen it. Yet, flat Earthers still claim a partially obstructed object can be brought back with more zoom.

[@michaelburk9171]

The term and concept of "horizon" shouldn't exist on a flat earth

[@educarss]

Efectivamente. En una superficie plana, el horizonte ficticio se situaría en el infinito.

[@godslaughter]

So funny listening to a man getting so giddy and excited, thinking he's somehow proven flat Earth, while using a program that he doesn't know how to use or analyse its output properly. Great video as always, Dave!

[@enochboateng8880]

But thanks to social media he now has a voice and legitimaticy that he did not have to earn through hard work and training and can reach thousands of people impressionable enough not to know better.

[@recesorrecesor8924]

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[@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies]

The video proves it though

[@liftingtheveil8361]

The kinematics of sun spots in relation to the observer from "sunrise to sunset" prove flat earth if you care to look.

[@novabella4422]

Ironic as hell that their light experiment at about 14:00 is explained by the fact that the floor is also not flat

[@DenisLoubet]

The floor and ceiling "compress", but the doors on either side of the hallway do not change. Busted.

[@Unlisted111]

What???? Look down any long hallway. The walls compress in as well. Ceiling appears to lower, floor appears to rise and the walls will appear to close in. Nothing is "busted". The fact of the matter is that an object on a flat floor (flatter then the ground or ocean on average lol) will begin to disappear bottom first, depending on distance and eye height. Your floor doesn't need to be curved or a ball to do that. Laser level flatness will still do the same. Anyone can demonstrate this themselves. Dave is just really good at omitting majority of the video and strawmanning so his fan boys will just eat up each time.

[@kingacrisius]

@@Unlisted111 Yeah sure sure pal. That's where the part with the table and the boat showed that the boat dis- OH WAIT IT DIDN'T! I'm not even gonna bother trying to reexplain it to you because you won't listen and thus it will be a waste of my time, but just consider for a single second why flat earthers have to pull out all of these random contrived explanations that don't fit together to attempt to explain common phenomena while the globe earth model already explains every single one of these phenomena easily. Perhaps it's because one of these models is correct, and the other is contrarion grifting?

[@Unlisted111]

There are TONS of examples of bottom first vanishing on a flat plane. On and off a table. Tell Dave to get a longer table and not have the boat so close for starters. What a poor example that was designed to fail! HE EVEN SHOWS ACTUAL EXAMPLES in the video but that gets swept under the rug of course.

[@kingacrisius]

@@Unlisted111 How about you watch the damn video and actually comprehend what is being said.

[@Unlisted111]

Sadly, I suffered through the whole thing already. How about YOU watch DSTT actual video in full and then we can go over just how much was either ignored or strawmanned. Its so bad lol

[@TheRamblingShepherd]

As a surveyor who works with photogrammetry software, nothing the software produces is useful over any real distance without ground control points. Not because the landscapes appear flat in the uncorrected models, but because they usually appear concave, or saddle-shaped, or otherwise heavily warped.

[@bodan1196]

The helicopter landing... why, oh why, do they cut the video... not letting it play on. Not wanting to show something counter to their agenda?

[@jonathanadams5903]

Now for my usual response to things disappearing below the horizon: 1. The sun 2. The moon 3. The stars None of them could ever disappear beyond the horizon on a flat earth.

[@Appletank8]

I've never seen any model of flat earth have the sun stay in the sky for much of the day in the southern hemisphere during december.

[@Faesharlyn]

"Gotcha" They're stuck on the dome

[@raloed.363]

Your underestimating the size of the earth and overestimating the size of the sun.at the right relative size and distance all of these objects will dissappear below the horizon. Because the horizon is just how far you can dee not due to the curveture of the earth

[@francoiscoupal7057]

@@raloed.363 That has never be, and ever will be, the definition of the word "horizon"...

[@jonathanadams5903]

@@raloed.363 I mentioned nothing of the size of the earth or sun. All of these objects can be seen from the northern tip of Alaska to the southern tip of Argentina at the same time. They do not change in apparent size through the day. You can clearly see half the sun and moon half way through rising or setting. You do not need to know the size of any of them to know the earth cannot be flat.

[@xliquidflames]

Also, if it were waves hiding the bottom of a ship, wouldn't the line between the ship and ocean be uneven and constantly moving a not a sharp line? It would be all wiggly and wobbly as the waves move around.

[@rhobesauce]

it's fun to disprove them constantly with basic trigonometry but they will never be convinced, it's a religious conviction

[@recesorrecesor8924]

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[@I_Never_Read_Comment_Replies]

Unless you can measure the whole universe with a giant ruler and protractor, trigonometry doesn't prove anything.

[@BarioIDL]

this is a science channel, where he explains elementary grade physics to (mostly) children and adults

[@bjfulmer]

Why don’t they get off their backsides, get a boat, sail to the edge? Why don’t they buy a plane and fly to the edge? Oh, I know, because the government won't let them. How convenient.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

One flerf who's claiming to be a pilot says "pick any direction and keep flying, you'll come across the ice wall, I guarantee it"...went strangely silent when everyone asked for his photos for proof lol

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

The Third Law of Flerfodynamics: Every FE explanation for a given phenomenon _will contradict_ at least one other FE explanation for a different phenomenon, and in turn _will be contradicted by_ at least one other FE explanation for a different phenomenon.

[@dmoe2015]

My favorite part is how World Of Tanks pays this guy money to clown on flat-earthers

[@jocramkrispy305]

I wonder if WoT uses a globe or flat topology

[@jenschristiantvilum]

13:52 "It's the same exact thing, we're just outdoors." That's a huge f***ing difference!

[@thephantomeagle2]

I've lived in the part of Michigan shown for 40 years and I can promise you that it's NOT even close to being over 200 miles to the top of the picture. That picture was taken from just south of Kalamazoo, where 131, which is the north bound expressway, intersects with I-94. You're looking more NNW, then slightly north his graphic shows. The bend in lake Michigan in the upper left is likely Ludington. As the crow flies it's about 120 miles, taken from probably 30,000 feet, so that's certainly attainable in a photo. I have flown that route from Chicago to New York a number of times and recognized it instantly. His marker on the map is east of where he actually was. It's not much, under 20 miles, so there's not that much difference. His map is basically south of Grand Rapids, and not east. If you look at Googlemaps you'll see that the bend on 131 north of I-94 is pretty sharp but on this it's almost straight on his image, which shows that you're looking slightly NNW instead of north as the map he shows. The fact remains it's well under the 200 miles he gives. Even if you go north, towards Frankfort, it's still well under the over 200 miles he states. I'm not sure if he's just guessing, or making the numbers up, but he's wrong, very wrong. His map and measurements would show the Leelenau Peninsula if it was what was shown, and you'd see Grand Traverse Bay, which would very present. but it's not present at all. If the end of his line lined up with Lake Michigan would be Frankfort, which is also a bend. But Frankfort is relatively close to Grand Traverse Bay which would certainly show up at that angle north but it's not there, so I'm sure it's Ludington. At that angle Grand Traverse Bay would be visible NNE of the bend on the Lake Michigan shore.

[@mrmale9985]

No one cares 😂

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

​@@mrmale9985"this hurts my argument that's been ripped apart everywhere else. So no one cares! (But me. Waaaah)"

[@mrmale9985]

@@5peciesunkn0wn I don't care either . You need a new hobby.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

@@mrmale9985 and yet you replied to it. ***HMMMM***

[@klebbe1]

I'd like to thank the flat earthers for yet again proving that the world in round, not that we needed any more proof.

[@jonrichards333]

I'd like to thank flat earthers for keeping Dave in a job.

[@EmeraldSteakMan]

Some days I wish I had the confidence of a flat earther, but then I'd probably end up never admitting I'm wrong when proven so.

[@Gleem]

Ask Dave where are his accounts for optical limits, and he is the exact person you speak of in the second half of your sentence.

[@juanausensi499]

@@Gleem No, you

[@Gleem]

@@juanausensi499 I have he doesnt

[@EmeraldSteakMan]

@@Gleem Oh boy, are you a flat earther? Like I'm not tryin to throw shade or anything, but uhh, a 6 year old can disprove flat earth... Also, if the earth is flat then why does the sun almost never set in antarctica? Oh but wait, we cant go to antarctica, ignoring the trips you can take there, well ignoring that then explain this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZ2ZdZWIpL1sjpY It doesn't take place in antarctica, it takes place at the Toolik Field Station. Alright, alright lets ignore Toolik for a second. Now, do you have a model that can properly and accurately display both day, night, solar eclipses and lunar eclipses using just the one model? No? Dang, that sucks, cause the singular model for a globe earth can explain Toolik, day, night, solar eclipses, and lunar eclipses! Ain't that just wild :| Also, would love to see a flat earth model explain this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJilY4uMfMSGldE It's crazy cause the sun actually goes under the horizon at 12:00AM which is supposed to be midnight yet its still sunset bright, only for the sun to rise again at roughly 4:40AM based off the light shining on the buildings. Also, it takes place in Anchorage, Alaska. Anchorage is populated by 288k people why does this matter? Because in the flat earth model the sun goes over Anchorage, which is really strange considering what that video depicts. In other words, saying the sun goes over Anchorage every day is basically saying 288k people didn't experience that, ever. Ah, but wait, I forgot, anything that disproves flat earth is CGI, my mistake. Anyway my brain hurts from all this thinking, I'm gonna go play Roblox or something... Cya

[@Gleem]

@@EmeraldSteakMan "oh boy, are you a flat earther?" Nope, just someone aware of perspective science, and know that Dave is being disingenous. "Like im not tryin to throw shade or anything, but uhh, a 6 year old can disprove flat earth..." Which is the exact reason I said it, why would you have to go out of your way to deny science? The rest of your comment does not apply.

[@corleth2868]

The UK is surrounded by offshore windfarms. I'd like a flerf to visit the coast near any of them and explain to me why the turbines furthest away are still spinning when their blades appear to be going below the surface of the water. Are the wind and water wheels? Is it a mirage? Or is it just an example of the curvature of the earth?

[@TheHellis]

They are hybrids, both wind and water generators 😂

[@jaymac7203]

It's clearly flerfspective 🧐 😭 lol

[@synthetic240]

There have been a lot of UK flerfs who have taken photos of turbines and off-shore drilling rigs and they're still too dense to do a proper analysis. The only one who was capable enough to do it stopped being a flat earther (Ranty).

[@tornadomash00]

@@synthetic240 bless that man

[@juanausensi499]

Flat Earthers don't understand how observations translate into models. You can point to what you said, or point to how stars circle a point in the northern hemispehere and a different point in the southern hemisphere, and keep a blank stare, because they don't understand how one thing relates to the other thing. I'm pretty sure most genuine flat earthers have some sort of condition. For example, in the past, we tought some children were just dumb, but they had dislexia or discalculia. I think Flat Earthers can have something similar. That would explain why they fight every single model they don't understand while providing none of their own. They literally don't know what people are talking about when they refer to a spherical earth, because they can't picture that, so they think everyone is mad or deceived. It's rather sad.

[@doranku]

I always wonder why flerspective only works top-down and not left-right.

[@recesorrecesor8924]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3LOm3eOib9rars

[@mrmale9985]

Because the sky is top.and the floor is bottom! Are you a complete turd?

[@incomingincoming1133]

Flat earth seems like a P9000 viral marketing campaign that got way out of hand.

[@wawabbit]

It's conditioning, for sure.

[@richierugs6544]

flerfs walk amongst us, it is kinda scary

[@mikeuk666]

John Carpenter's 'They Live' 😂

[@reezek3956]

They walk on this globe and we cant know where they are 😂😂

[@MrBowser2012]

Yep, I know a flerf personally. I had kinda hoped that it was just something youtubers pretended to believe in for clicks but no. They actually exist...

[@wernerviehhauser94]

Nah, there have always been idiots, there currently are idiots, and there will always be idiots. They just need to get schooled....

[@slake9727]

​@mikeuk666 They live yet they have no life.

[@briancleveland6115]

It's hard to believe that some people still think that the Earth is flat.

[@mikep9604]

Uneducated people who don't have knowledge of even the most basic physics and geometry can't understand the facts that show the earth is not flat.

[@kelvyquayo]

They don’t think it.. they just believe it..

[@briancleveland6115]

@@kelvyquayo Right, but we all know that just because they believe it that doesn't make it true.

[@rickkay9548]

I wonder if any flerfs tried their experiment at night where the mirages are non-existent. Or in the winter.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Of course not lol. That means putting in more work than saying 'nuh-uh'

[@larryscott3982]

In several of JTolans vids he uses a theodolite to measure vertical angles to distant objects like San Jacinto mtn. He then shows his math. And by ignoring the shape and dimensions of he gets the wrong elevation of the mtn. And when the correct math is applied to JT’s measurement the true altitude is returned and agrees quite well with published elevation of San Jacinto. He further says he doesn’t know why his calculation returns the incorrect lower elevation.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

And none of his drooling flock of subservients worry about it, understand it, notice it or care.

[@jasmijnariel]

Gotta love it when they try to debunk globe earth , but then accually confirm it with their experiments😂 Oh btw.... thx bob!

[@Fantasm2Productions]

I want to know why the aerial photos they claim "prove flat earth" never show the ice wall

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Something Something NATO Satanist KGB NASA homosexual penguin army.

[@xlerb2286]

Just come to where I live in the red river valley on the border between Minnesota and North Dakota on a January day. No distortion caused by heat when it's -25F outside. And the land here is flat - and I do mean flat. Drive along I-29 and watch the buildings appearing top down as you approach, and disappearing bottom up as you move away from them. You don't have to be the brightest bulb in the bunch to figure out there's curvature involved.

[@pandaphil]

They still can't explain sunsets.

[@mangojulie123]

Or sunrises 😅 Or total solar eclipses 😂😅😂

[@timolynch149]

Something something something small and local, angle of attack, rayleigh criterion, some other terms they don't understand and anyways, whatabout Eric Dubay. I think that's roughly how that explanation will go if you ever get it 😂

[@K_End]

They can't explain how anything works on a flat earth, but they are certain the globe model is wrong

[@timolynch149]

@@K_End That's pretty much how science denying works. Never ever explain how your own model works or just claim either god OR say "we just don't know" and try to poke holes in the existing, working model that makes accurate predictions. You don't need (or want) to convince people who are actual experts or scientists, just enough people to keep the grift going.

[@NeutralDrow]

Flerf: "Look, the sun just LOOKS like it disappears over the horizon due to a mirage!" Anyone else: "...so how does it get back around to the east?" Flerf: **random insults and accusations of being a fed**

[@Paxmax]

Did..? Did u see that? 😂 The doggo totally sync'd up and waved "Hello everybody". 5 secs in and I'm already chuckling 😂👍

[@smillahuhtakangas5313]

I looked everywhere for a comment about Rusty saying hello😂😍

[@Power5]

Flerfs: NASA uses CGI to make fake photos of the earth from space. You cannot trust anything they show you. Also Flerfs: Look at this CGI to prove that the earth is flat.

[@wiredforstereo]

"I drew a flat picture that proves the earth is flat because the picture is flat!"

[@SharkDawg32]

I watched them land on the moon and play golf on the TV!! MUST BE REAL!!

[@wiredforstereo]

@@SharkDawg32 Unless you have specific evidence that it isn't, yeah.

[@SharkDawg32]

@@wiredforstereo I can live flat earth physics. The lights in the sky are lights. My satellite is on a balloon. The ground beneath my feet is not moving. All of my mates are on the same plane. And I'm absolutely thriving. The Globe is a physical contradiction. You adjust for spin every time you've thrown a ball?

[@wiredforstereo]

@@SharkDawg32 Those are statements, not evidence. In the real world, we base knowledge on evidence. There is not one single piece of evidence for a flat earth. Not one. Properly understood, every single piece of evidence points toward the reality that earth is a sphere, orbiting a sun, amongst other planets. There is simply nothing that points toward any other conclusion.

[@williamblazkowicz5587]

​@@SharkDawg32they literally brought back proof. We literally have rocks and bacteria from the moon, We literally installed a reflector on the moon, we literally had people able to listen in on the astronauts by poing their listening dishes AT THE MOON!

[@spacelemur7955]

I used to take my geography students to Clinton Lake, a large reservoir in Kansas, when the lake was about 10-20 feet below capacity. There was nice, bright limestone between lake level and the vegetation above, especially visible near the dam. It steadily narrowed and became invisible in the far shore, upstream. That a Midwestern prairie lake could be used to show the curvature of the earth always made an impression on these landlubbers.

[@matepiedl5038]

Honestly, this might be your best video so far, Dave. I love how you kept making references and visual illustrations on how their ideas would only work on a globe, you should keep doing this in all of your videos. It not only refutes their point but also gives them something to maybe think about and possibly accept that their initial ideas were wrong. So much better when you can actually argue for your case instead of just personally attacking the other party, khm khm Nathan Oakley and co. khm. Top vid!

[@DavePoo2]

As a video game programmer, I can tell you that the worlds in our physics simulations are definitely flat, however I wouldn't go as far to use them as proof that the real world is. I'm pretty sure I could write you a program to show that the earth is shaped like Fender Stratocaster, but again, please don't use that as scientific evidence.

[@CelliniCreations]

Episode 452 of people using software they don't know how to use correctly.

[@mrmale9985]

You're so intelligent 😂

[@mistertagnan]

It’s not just software, but hardware too. I’ve yet to see a flerfer who knows how to use the focusing ring on a camera, so whenever they point at a star or planet, and it is out of focus (thus appearing somewhat “watery”) they claim that it somehow proves anything except their inability to use a camera correctly

[@treadingtheboards2875]

I love how they think that they can use something they do not know how to use to explain something they have no idea about.

[@sgtrock68]

Has anyone sat on the beach at night, with a black ocean in front of them, watching ships lights heading out to sea? When the ship gets out far enough the light will disappear when you sit on the beach and it appears if you stand up. No mirage, no heat haze. There. Spherical.

[@victorfinberg8595]

flat earthers are too terrified of the dark to go outside at night

[@BarioIDL]

@@victorfinberg8595" go outside" is the problem here

[@terranceparsons5185]

One of these people needs to climb to the top of the CN Tower to take a photo of the Bufj Khalifa! Heck, I'd settle for the Empire State building.

[@joerichardson4325]

I've been up that thing (rode speedy elevator...didn't climb😮)! That was one hell of a time to find out how my fear of heights had grown exponentially 😰 (2009 or 2010). I get anxiety just imagining going up the Burj when I see it on TV/video! I believe/know the Earth is spherical without getting high! I've sailed over about 3/5ths of the world's oceans on the USS Nimitz and the USS Theodore Roosevelt back in the late '80's. Sailors just know! 😁✌️🌎⚓

[@karaperrio-du5gs]

I just love how none of their KZbin research involves Physics, Optics, Astronomy, Geophysics etc. or indeed any controls, rigorous laboratory standard experiments or peer review of any kind, so they must be right of course and every scientist in modern human history wrong, Yowser!?

[@danthsmith]

Because real science is all a NASA conspiracy…or something

[@drtaverner]

I wonder why they'd put the lookout on a ship in the most dangerous place possible... the top of the mainmast.

[@HerrKubbu]

isnt it quite sad, that in the year 2024 we need to have a discussion on is the earth flat or a globe? and those flat earther are always soooo damn smug - just makes them look even more stupid

[@Andrew-13579]

And in 1924 there was no need for such a discussion.

[@cthrekgoru]

Because it is the new conspiracy trend . It is not about true or not. It is the next big thing . These people were already into all kinds of conspiracies. Lizard people are old. This is new …

[@ninjafrog6966]

it’s always extremely hilarious to me when flerfs try to prove that the earth is flat and then accidentally end up proving that the earth is round and just act as if they didn’t just do that

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Most of them are too stupid to realize they proved the globe, so they often actually *don't* realize they did it.

[@txag007]

32:36 You have to love it when FE-ers accidentially prove a globe.

[@ninjafrog6966]

it’s one of the funniest things ever

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

15 degree per hour drift, Thanks Bob, RIP. And "Interesting" for needing 17ft exactly for flat earth, but getting 19ft from Jeranism or whatever his name is. Oh, and all the flat earthers who do the pendulum thing.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

Yes, its been done several times.

[@mrmale9985]

You're talking utter turd 😂

[@barthvapour]

That photogrammetry guy has the most annoying voice I have ever heard. Not even exaggerating.

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

_"Thirty Meters Of Blackpool Is Missing."_ That sounds like the name of a mystery novel...😉

[@williamblazkowicz5587]

I may steal that

[@RustyWalker]

JTolan Media, who can't tell the difference between a number of geographic features and clouds and regularly misidentifies what he's look at even when he doesn't mistake clouds for them.

[@ryantennyson7562]

Thanks Dave. Photogrammectric stereo photography from high altitudes requires earth curviture correction. Maps wouldn't work without it.

[@Gleem]

"Thanks Dave. Photogrammectric stereo photography from high altitudes requires earth curviture correction. Maps wouldn't work without it." Hmm I think you will find its actually to do with the perspective principle point, as you get distortion at every point except that. "As mentioned earlier, all photography contains distortions. Unfortunately, these distortions, which are caused by the camera lens, the topography of the imaged surface (the Earth s surface) and the single-point instantaneous collection nature of photographs, mean that aerial photos cannot be used directly as maps. Attempts to derive distances, areas or angular relationships directly from photography will result in serious errors. Photogrammetric analysis attempts to account for these distortions to allow distances, areas and angles to be derived accurately and precisely. Most of the distortion present in photography is the result of the perspective viewpoint from which the photograph was taken. This perspective is essential, however, for stereo-viewing and is necessary for calculating elevation from photography. The perspective distortion in a vertical aerial photograph increases away from the centre of the photograph. This is because the centre of the photo (correctly called the principal point) is the only truly vertical part of the image.Figure 9-1, Figure 9-2 and Figure 9-3 illustrate this. " Field Techniques Manual: GIS, GPS and Remote Sensing Chapter 9: Geocorrection and photogrammetry - Royal Geographical Society

[@paulkielty8385]

I also did some research on waves, Our Dave. After several hundred hours of reading and experimentation, thusly leading to an honorary diploma from NASA, I have discovered that waves... right .. waves... actually go away... yet the ships don't come back into view... Weird.

[@ParaSpite]

The vanishing point is an abstraction. An aid for artists to draw realistic geometry. It's set at an infinite distance. Flerfers repeatedly show that they refuse to understand this. My wording here is crucial: _Refuse_ to understand this. Not fail. They are not unable, but unwilling.

[@mrmale9985]

Stop acting like you're clever, we all know you're a bafoon 😂

[@simonjohn9525]

I have actually seen, due to super refraction, the image of a ship emerge upside down over the horizon, as the ship gets closer of course the actual ship appears over the horizon, from the top down, the hull being the last to appear.

[@_SurferGeek_]

Flerfers are like the children that cry when you play "Got yer nose!". 😅

[@RealBLAlley]

I love how they "debunk" scientifically sound explanations with word salad.

[@recesorrecesor8924]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3LOm3eOib9rars

[@nrellis666]

If a ship is sailing away from you, the front of the ship is further away than the rear of the ship, but the front of the ship is still visible, while the rear of the ship, is obstructed by the horizon at the bottom. The only way this can be explained is by curvature of the Earth's surface, mirages/refraction is clearly NOT what is causing this phenomena

[@raloed.363]

Or it could just be that you can't see any further. I mean if you don't move and can zoom in enough you will see it again. How am can you see it if the curve have cocompletey hid it ?

[@jadoma3788]

@@raloed.363No, the ships lower aft would not optically rise again when zoomed in on. It sits below the horizon. Therefore anything below that line of sight will be obstructed from view. The author of that post you refere to does not say the ship has moved so far away its totally covered. Take a soccer ball and a smaller marble as an example. Place that marble down on the soccer ball and roll it away from you so it eventually will be partially covered by the bigger ball. You cannot see the lower hidden part of that marble without moving up or change your view in any way. You can zoom in on it but it will still be partially covered by the soccer ball. Same applies to earth (the soccer ball) and the ship (the smaller marble). Obviously it is NOT to scale and the proportions do not fit the earth-ship proportion but the same principle applies.

[@MarvinHartmann452]

Lol they obviously don't know how radio waves, electromagnetic hertz waves travel in the atmosphere and in the different layers of it. And more, there wouldn't be any horizon on a flat earth. How can we see a sharp, well defined line? Oh because it's NOT flat..

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

Depends on whether you are in the "finite plane (probably with a dome on top)" or the "infinite plane, and THEY are just hiding all the extra land and civilizations from us behind the ice wall" camp of flerf. Finite plane would have a visible sharp edge if not too far away, infinite plane not so much, but there at least "horizon always rises to eye level" would hold true ... which it does not in reality.

[@DeetotheDubs]

These are adults living in a fantasy. As much as I like Dave and others in this sphere of content, it's depressing that this needs to be said.

[@waschbekenpinkler]

they now use cable ties for their satellites... i think they gave up and dont care anymore.

[@luckymapache]

0:01 OMG! RUSTY RAISED HIS PAW TO SAY "Hello everybody!" 🥰

[@Xcelsius_]

Aww

[@shmeef279]

These flat earthers need to get over their trauma bro

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

One too many textbook-drop jumpscares in kindergarten so they never passed lol

[@billtaylor1656]

Waves curve right? I thought flat earthers believe water doesn't curve .

[@ericb3157]

in the comments of a different video, a flattard repeatedly insists that "oceans area always flat" is a LAW OF PHYSICS!

[@Markfr0mCanada]

Aww! The doggo waved hello too!

[@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj]

Nothing says "legitimate video" more than using an early-generation text-to-voice program for your audio.

[@randyrobertson4686]

Ask any licensed professional land surveyor if they submitted all of their work after a 5 month job starting with using a (Control Point from any monument with US Geographical Survey Coordinates stamped into the brass circle with the exact position of, feet above sea level and Northing and Southing or Lat. and Long degrees, along with the center punch and a well defined arrow pointing at true North)…and said survey was a job for the sake of reestablishing a country property line that stretched for over 15 miles and even if you had to occasionally document a defined control point, even using a 3 tack triangulation off some trees just to justify the stake you pounded into the ground at the end of a shift for the sake of finding it. Then after the job was completed you said to the Civil Engineers or even other L.S.’s if it was ok if they drew up the blueprints without taking the curvature of the Earth into consideration I guarantee you that they would either say….you are joking right?…..or laughed so hard and said, sure, if we are putting our engineering firms name on these documents and we do that, we will never work again and probably be sued.

[@ajmittendorf]

The phrase "Flat-Earth Logic" is an oxymoron: If it's "Flat-Earth" then there can be no logic involved, but if it's logical, then it cannot be "Flat-Earth" thinking.

[@mrmale9985]

Nobody cares 😂

[@ajmittendorf]

@@mrmale9985 Umm, yeah, they do. Teaching facts over feelings and/or foolishness is all too important these days, when so many prefer to hide behind feelings and truth is being hidden.

[@kelvyquayo]

I’ve used this term for people who make arguments but don’t understand how reasoning or causality works. “Just Show me one satellite , bro”. “Just show me the curve , bro” Ironically I usually say this to atheists.. who often ask “just show me the God, bro” . 😉

[@mihailchehlarov2720]

From a former set builder/designer, kudos to who came up with the idea of red arm chair and blue wall. Really nice. One advice if I may, pan the camera a little to your left to lose the radiator. I would also throw a light somewhere on your left to bounce of the wall and dim the lights just a notch in general.

[@JBG1968]

As far as the objects on the floor in the hall . As someone who does commercial construction . Those floors are rarely level . There is quite a bit of waves ( low and high points ) in a floor . Sometimes quite a lot

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

As anyone who's ever swiped such floors should have observed by seeing puddles forming at the same spots all the time should know, too.

[@bheemasena2383]

Flerf: "hmm, the globe has a perfect and simple explenation for what i am seeing... but i want the earth to be flat so i have to come up with some bizarre false comparison to try to match my conclusion to reality"

[@BlackGuardXIII]

Yes. They have the order backwards. The evidence comes before the conclusion.

[@bretttrommler756]

A friend of mine who is a fanatical flat Earther tried to explain this FE tripe to me. He said you take a coin and put it on its edge close to the edge of a flat table. Then, with your eye right at the same level as the table, you slide the coin away from you. When you do this, the coin will appear to disappear from the bottom up. Only... it didn't. Of course the coin appeared to get smaller but I could still see the entire coin from across the table. Gotta lie to flerf.

[@AbsurdityViewer]

wow, so your 'friend' is a liar. I wonder if your 'friend' shares your view of your relationship... or are you 'lying' about that too? with 'friends' like you.... who needs back stabbing enemies?

[@frantaspacek]

​@@AbsurdityViewer what?

[@AbsurdityViewer]

@@frantaspacek your 'friend' is a liar, based on your own standards; Does your 'friend' know you think he's a liar? Gotta lie to flerf, right?

[@frantaspacek]

@@AbsurdityViewer You have the wrong person.

[@AbsurdityViewer]

@@frantaspacek so you didn't ask 'what?'? did I also have to explain that I was simplifying my comment to @bretttrommler756 for your elucidation? I notice @bretttrommler756 hasn't sought clarification of my comment. Perhaps he now understands shame better.

[@existentialselkath1264]

I don't often interact with this community, but I got into a conversation with someone about this exact thing. As a 3d artist I even tried to make renders and everything to explain it was nonsense but it made such little sense that there wasn't common ground to start from

[@xxlocobassistxx]

Don't sphere the truth is a clever name, gotta give them credit there lol

[@K_End]

He used up all his "clever" on the name tho. 😂

[@TheGuruStud]

Another day, another flerf proves the globe. It NEVER fails.

[@ancientgamer3645]

People often overlook the obvious factor that your MIND interprets the viewing of things as it thinks it should look like. I did an experiment to prove to my brother that most rooms in a house are NOT usually square as they visually appear. We were laying self-sticking tile on an older floor in his apartment. I explained you start in the center and not from the wall to get the best edge finishing and most visually even look. He didn't believe me. So, I measured the walls and he saw the room was not as square as it appeared. He was shocked to find the room was NOT as square as it looked. Trust the math and your knowledge of how vision works. Your brain will fool you if you only trust your vision.

[@jochenstacker7448]

I love the synchronised wave at the start. What an adorable doggy.

[@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kk]

I hope all the Flat Earth are just trolls

[@AM-rd9pu]

Unfortunately, some people genuinely believe it.

[@WildlifeWarrior-cr1kk]

@@AM-rd9pu yea

[@CS-mo7xp]

if mountains and valleys are a thing, the earth isn't flat.

[@s1lentw1nter]

Correct me if I’m mistaken but flat earthers claim the horizon always rises to eye level. Doesn’t the experiment at 14:11 disprove this, in fact, looking at the 8ft image it appears that the camera is angled slightly downward. Is this another case of a FE experiment to answer one observation actually destroying a different FE claim.

[@Unlisted111]

No lol the visible horizon does rise with the viewer. Camera is level but it's irrelevant to demonstrate what Dave couldn't debunk. On a globe you'd have to tilt your camera as you increase elevation in order to keep lined up with your horizon. You don't have to do that in real life though. As demonstrated with any drone or way high up with the redbull jump. There can be a slight drop, due to hazy conditions and the perspective between the gap of the camera and ground, but nowhere even near the expected globe drop... AND it still rises with you altogether.

[@s1lentw1nter]

@@Unlisted111 what you are saying has been debunked on many occasions by pilots at altitude.

[@Unlisted111]

Not at all... kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmnHdpSHo9GalbMsi=ubFFXL-Usf6ebgDo It's amazing how a simple tilt of the camera or a HUD can deceive people.

[@RuosongGao]

@@Unlisted111 " On a globe you'd have to tilt your camera as you increase elevation in order to keep lined up with your horizon" No, you do not. Climb a tall mountain for once you waste of oxygen.

[@Unlisted111]

​@RuosongGao - 😅 go ahead and look at a large ball in front of you... now raise your elevation. Why did you have to tilt your head to keep it in view?

[@LillyWhiteFairy]

Don't sphere the truth is a coward who censors anyone he can't refute. I still remember when he got destroyed by redd rhetoric and don't sphere would delete all my comments. Pathetic.

[@Paladwyn]

I found it funny that they basically said that you don't see the bottom of the plane disappearing when you're looking up in the sky at it is because it hasn't gone over the horizon yet. This was basically their claim without actually saying it. And also, the last point, flerfs proving the globe once again, always nice to see.

[@bheemasena2383]

Hang on... dont flerfs not believe in atmospheric gradient because of the dome? Yet they base their refraction ideas on a gradient caused by gravity.

[@BillGarrett]

I love that your video goes into levels of detail like this, and I hate that not even "if we look at these obvious fucking features of every mirages and other optical effects, your flat earth argument collapses completely" is enough to reach these guys

[@pieterboelen2862]

I have seen a mirage at sea in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Superrefraction of the atmosphere allowed us to see a container ship *beyond* the horizon and it was vertically stretched to make it FAR more visible than it was once it got closer to us. Such a weird sight! And definitely NOT the same as ships' ordinary way of dropping beyond the horizon.

[@churlbeck6321]

So many videos merely manage to impatiently contradict flat earth logic, without showing how a globe provides the only logical explanation. But this video is meticulous and decisive, and deserves to be in a KZbin Hall of Fame.

[@painterthedreamer6260]

The acronym DST is used in Portuguese to reference what in English would be STD, so... It checks out.

[@AndyMarsh]

One thought struck me when I was sitting down by the beach eating fish and chips a few weeks back.... If the earth was flat would you not always see a gap between clouds and sea out on the horizon?

[@tjjones621]

Exactly. No matter how much you zoom, that gap would be there. This is why there is a curvature formula for calculating distance to the horizon, but no such formula for doing that on a flat plane. Fe'rs think geometry means Gee, I'm a tree.

[@Chalo122790]

They would just say like in this video is the vision range ending or what ever and that you cant see that far so information gets compressed and some other salad

[@zoroark567]

The way Rusty waved with you at the start of the episode is killing me

[@jager6903]

How is the horizon rising up on a ball? No matter where you are, it's always falling away from your feet.

[@fedmcfederalson]

How does it rise up on a flat earth? No matter where you are, it's always at the same elevation below your feet

[@Chalo122790]

Please dont hold it on me if i dont do a good job but, anywhere on a ball, to make a stright line from one point to another you will have a higher point in between so thats how the horizon raises in a globe.