Flats Reacts To FragPunk is the Future of FPS Gaming

[@dorianlgr1909]

We went full circle, people are trying to remake Paladins.

[@Guarrow]

Paladins cards kinda suck ngl

[@jaryl13]

Paladins’ card system doesn’t even come close to how unique Fragpunk’s system is.

[@hendrix37]

@@futakisser they not lyin

[@bhz10]

Paladins was actually great, HiRez (the company behind Paladins) are just so incredibly incompetent and greedy that they'd literally rather milk a game to death than support it long term

[@dorianlgr1909]

@@bhz10 I agree

[@StephanieMiller-r3m]

I was able to play this game myself. It's some of the most fun I've had already in a beta, it actually felt fresh and really polished for a beta. I'm hoping it holds a spot in the gaming sphere. It's genuinely unique and creative, it deserves a fair shot.

[@Guarrow]

It's just crazy how much it felt finished despite not having a release date. Good amount of maps, customization that's already beyond other games, no forced TAA, great modes and a working replay system (val is running on the same engine btw)

[@pyrotricks1168]

How similar is gameplay if you were to compare "FragPunk" to "Friends vs Friends"?

[@Powelus]

Looks more finished than what CS2 currently is.

[@BluePlant]

@@pyrotricks1168 Haven't played it but I'd say not at all, it looks like it plays COMPLETELY differently. But I like friends vs friends and I feel like I'll also like this. So chances are if you like fvf, then you'll like this once if comes out if you like the 5v5 format It's in.

[@I-Tyrant]

Is it a close beta?

[@frost9681]

I think the issue with the character aesthetics is that they look generic, and part of that is due to the more realistic style, and so to give them more unique styles they go a bit overboard on the aesthetic. They all look a bit much to make up for the lack of stylisation. Not to say that some of them dont have cool designs, but it really feels over the top

[@tumultoustortellini]

Honestly, the character designs feel very SF6. I wouldn't say they're over the top or terrible, just different. Ow does spoil us in that regard

[@danielseraphim9962]

The game matters more to me. I'd rather have this than the best characters in the industry in a bad game.

[@Retronomicon]

They look pretty good to me. I know it is a subjective topic, but compared to Concord, this is Gold. I think it is closer to Apex in character design, but I like it a lot more considering I only like maybe a couple of designs from that game and this one in general has many designs that I like.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

This is basically "Paladins but without HiRez's fuckery" and I'm here for it.

[@GreenBro11]

I think hitboxes affect character design approaches in games like these. That’s one advantage Overwatch has over other competitive shooters. Because their characters fit different roles and are balanced accordingly, they can push the designs of characters harder, use different body types, equipment, ect. In these twitch shooters every character has to be relatively the same size which leads to a bunch of hyper cool super models fighting each other. That being said I think they’ve done above average on trying to make them look unique. It doesn’t beat Overwatch but Overwatch has arguably best in the business character design work.

[@blackomega34]

Fragpunk beta was by far the most fun I've had with tac shooters ever. It felt like a complete product even in beta. And all the characters are super sexy, men and women.

[@-p0izenedivy-289]

Dude I couldn’t disagree more, this game looks so good and each character seems to have such a unique kit and design. No two characters look similar. And to that one chatter, none of this looks grayish, it’s all so vibrant and colorful, one of the first things I noticed watching the gameplay.

[@derick5295]

idk about that, i played the beta and the heros personalities are kinda bland, and besides that a lot of the designs are kinda of a copy of some characters from other shooters, there is a Octane and Wraith from apex and even one Sym from OW, they dont hide it the select animations are so similar to tha apex ones, the only design that i liked is the explosives guy and the monk girl

[@xd3athclawx554]

@@derick5295 Is that even a bad thing though? Copying designs that already work and intertwining them? Personally I'm not playing for their ingame voice lines and personalities though so if that is something you play for then it could suck I guess. I only like the voice lines that are meme potential. But if every voice line is meme potential on purpose then it sucks the potential out too. Also one thing that games should do is copy the good parts of each other so that they improve in quality overall. Obviously not cut and dry copy but taking heavy inspiration isn't a bad thing if the thing that is being copied is simple but really good.

[@derick5295]

@xd3athclawx554 inspiration is not a bad thing, copying is a bad thing. This game copys design and animations, what is lazy, good thing that u don't care that much about the characters, voice lines and all, but a lot off people do, and in hero shooter this is very important, the game will be more popular if people like the characters. fanarts, theories and all bring the community together

[@xd3athclawx554]

@@derick5295 lets be real if there are good looking characters like widow, mercy, dva, etc they will be popular characters. I think OW is a good example of this obviously. But yeah I'm never against better character design, I think that's obvious. I'm used to stuff like siege where the characters look the exact same, their kit is what is makes them apart, which I think is better character expression, maybe just me though.

[@derick5295]

@xd3athclawx554 but good looking is different than good design, there is a lot of shooters and BRs with 9999 cute girls, but this don't make they popular, characters can be very popular and don't be good looking, like TF2, Deadlock, and even Apex the most loved characters are not beautiful, but they have good design and personality

[@eagleangel5568]

Fragpunk seems it could be a competitive that's legit fun no matter what whether casual competitive casual or full on comp lol and keep in mind new cards can be added too so there's alot of potential and it looks like It adds a new breath of fresh air to this fps ip genre

[@derick5295]

comp would be hell in this game, not the gameplay but the community around it, they would complain about every card and everything that make the game unique and fun, i really hope that the devs dont listen to these people

[@1sie]

Yk if they make enough cards that are helpful to both sides, no matter your agent, maybe you could make it so its like steve in smash, you get the same rotation of cards so its really not luck based, and if a card is really good and someone wins cuz of it, they are probably gettin it as well

[@Guarrow]

I grinded ranked in the playtest, the most toxic ppl were obviously those coming from Valorant, but the systems are so goooood I love the fact that there are mini drafts, each side ban a card, there's no really an economy like cs/val so there's no snowballing to the extent of those, especially considering that you can switch characters. Also the Duel to settle a draw is SO GOOOOOOOD Basically y'all pick your order, select a loadout and then duel each other one by one, it's just awesome. Comp is going to be a blast

[@drjamaymay405]

This game fundamentally cannot be competitive, too many cards break game rules that should never be broken. +/- 30 seconds per round, instakill an enemy if they fall below 50% hp, make your hitboxes smaller/enemy hitboxes bigger. This will be a really fun casual game, but it cannot be competitive at all.

[@blaynegreiner9365]

With the random aspects of the cards and how game changing they are, there is no way this could ever be balanced in such a way for the competitive scene to truly pop off, sorry. Any sort of RNG will ruin a level playing field, or worse, will ruin the perception of a level playing field.

[@Izanamii]

I made this video! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and supporting a tiny channel of my size 🩷 Here's a bit of commentary to add on things you mentioned in the reaction: The video was NOT sponsored, I just made it because I really liked the game and wanted to introduce my old audience (destiny players) to it. There was no monetization during the tests, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up like every other game (10$ season pass, 20 dollar skins, etc). The character design might seem a bit tame, especially in comparison to overwatch where there's representation for everyone. I think this is due to the parent company (netease) being based in China. They're definitely less willing to get diverse with the character casts due to that.

[@blaynegreiner9365]

I think the biggest limitation on character design is having to keep character silhouettes and hitboxes the same. Valorant suffers from this as well because they are both along the vein of Counter-Strike where the guns are universal.

[@intrepidmonkey]

I love OW, but not much into CS and Val (or Xdefiant which I was really hyped for...l, but I played the beta test for FragPunk and it was really good. I almost didn't play any OW for 10 days, and this was just a beta with a few maps. The movement felt good, the gunplay was really good, and the abilities and cards were fun to learn and try out. I am really looking forward to the release of this game. In ranked mode, there is one team captain on each team responsible for the decisions around the cards. I think you can volunteer and the team votes for the captain...

[@FlareToga76]

glad flats watched this video! it was really well made and I loved how well they explained the game.

[@FrostyMts]

The card system makes strategy’s more main stream. I’m already thinking of ways they could counter next round with different card combinations.

[@niklashbg]

*strategies. Sorry, I had to.

[@gonzoshots4691]

this game really is fuckin sick. played both alpha and beta, its a really fun breath of fresh air for games like this. just enough familiar with just enough new to make it slap.

[@Miniduck9013]

I’m really excited for this and marvel rivals, Val Paladins and OW are getting a little stale for me

[@AkiTsukita]

19:18 OW sound quality is ok, but only when on the same level. I notice that when i play Echo and fly up I felt disorientated by the sound. Idk if the enemy is on top of me, the same level as me, or below me. It's very crappy because of that. My headphone is quite decent and never have a problem like this in other fps games, it's only OW.

[@DatMageDoe]

1:57 An unfortunate reality is that about 50% of KZbin sponsorships do not disclose the sponsorship. This is very common in Food, Fashion, or Arts and Crafts communities where a good is showcased organically in the video with a little 15-20 second blurb with all the buzzwords about how amazing it is. Hard to identify without knowledge, but once you do, you see it EVERYWHERE.

[@AdrianGK47]

Speaking of 50%, did you know that 50% of statistics are made up?

[@blaynegreiner9365]

If anyone had evidence of that it could be reported and they can get in a lot of trouble. As Flats said, it is actually a federal law that they have to disclose that. The issue is more that people aren't reporting it.

[@emptyasmrman]

Beta made me so happy, can't wait to play when the game comes out, didn't stop playing the whole time it was available.

[@venusday3567]

One issue i have with fragpunk is it literally took the Gimmick that Friends VS Friends has, Card based strategy in an FPS Game. If people didnt tout it as a "new" thing in the genre for fragpunk itd be fine but friends vs friends has done it for over a year now, and is probably going to be significantly cheaper than fragpunk. They made the serious version of a party game, which i personally think will fail.

[@0h_hey944]

As someone with nearly 400 hrs in fvf, I gotta agree with this statement. It felt really cheap to just take some pretty similar card designs and gimmicks, but hopefully people can get directed to fvf off this.

[@blaynegreiner9365]

@@0h_hey944 Do you likewise have 400 hours in Fragpunk? Otherwise you can't really make that comparison.

[@superazula3722]

Regarding his concerns with the "rng" aspect of the cards, one thing the guy forgot to mention about the game is not only can you see what cards the enemy picks for the upcoming round, but you can swap your lancer to better suit whatever cards they pick, your not locked in to the same character for the whole game. For example if the enemy picks the katana card that deflects bullets you can just pick a lancer that has explosion or trap abilities to counter. One of the most fun fps games I've played.

[@iamcool544]

APB: Reloaded had the exact same idea for decoration. It was the best part of that game and I fucking never will forget it.

[@rosenracht]

ty for linking creator

[@OfficialDeathScythe]

Right off the bat sounds like a balancing nightmare. Take 2 game genres that are difficult to balance and that no game has been able to crack perfectly, combine them, make both even more complicated. lmao. Also I think the biggest thing that makes OW skins so unique is the fact that each character has their own color. Some have similar colors but they each have their own palette that fits their identity and keyboards (at least Razer ones) light up with a different color for each hero

[@Voodoo318]

I don’t like the card system. The RNG would make things unbalanced. The only way to keep hero shooters viable is constant balancing.

[@blackomega34]

You can see what cards they're bringing and can draft your own, there's no RNG. You know what's coming, you just gotta prepare for it.

[@blaynegreiner9365]

@@blackomega34 Do both sides have access to the exact same cards every round? If there is any variation between the two teams, that is still RNG even if you can see what they are picking.

[@blaynegreiner9365]

A card system like this only makes balancing for truly competitive play an issue. As a casual game, this sort of thing is just fine and a lot of fun.

[@blackomega34]

@@blaynegreiner9365 The cards on either side aren't the same, but you can always swap characters after the card selection phase which means that they can have better cards than you but you brought the right characters to counter their advantage. For example, if the enemy has katanas that's a huge problem, but you can counter that with traps or obstcles that they will be way more likely to step into. Balance is beauty, not math, and not theory. Leave that shit to the chess players.

[@rd1426]

With just one pause, Flats solidified my interest in this game.

[@TheBigKaiju]

You seem to be getting recommended to me a lot recently. Nice to see Fragpunk bringing channels to the forefront sometimes

[@lotussvt]

FragPunk has been really really fun, got a few friends to play in the tests and its definitely got crazy potentially. We had played Friends vs Friends before which has been out for a while with a similar mechanic, would definitely try it out if you can to see how cards interact with shooter gameplay. Definitely excited for release!

[@SpyralKing]

I couldnt disagree more on the take that the characters arent too unique or different from each other, and genuinely I need to ask: What would make character unique then? These are some of the most interesting characters I've seen in the space to be honest. Easily on par with Valorant and similar to Overwatch as well in terms of quality of designs. As a comparon, I'd say Apex has a sort of similar aesthetic it terms of it being futuristic/military type of deal but Apex characters are way less intersting.

[@cooltwittertag]

Hes talking about visual identity and personality. And hes right, a game where everyone can use the same weapons needs to have the same hitboxes too. That limits character design a lot, cant exactly have a torb in there

[@dragoncalloway227]

I wouldn’t say on par with overwatch but valorant yes

[@chriscammock3289]

Cheers Flats for explaining the sponsored as part. Guess us public aren't aware of it

[@Xenryth]

Played both betas, absolutely loved playing this, can’t wait for release❤

[@titan_main]

That gulag gauntlet for tie-breakers looks so intense.

[@eternalmangekyo9370]

When flats mentioned that Corona looks like Son Goku from Naruto I was tripping out because I had said the exact same thing lol

[@temmlygaming5509]

So I think it’s kinda funny That when I heard someone talk about this game before it came out afyer the announce they where guessing it was gonna flop and be giga corpa slop And it’s almost immediately disproven those

[@Senorgato029]

Mechanics that make games different round to round do wonders for replay ability, ttk seems a little fast but maybe I’ll still try it

[@marcusbullock2753]

For a second I thought it was the new Overwatch hero the font looked similar

[@Miniduck9013]

I know like nothing about this game but as someone who LOVES Overwatch Paladins and Valorant I’m actually really excited to play it

[@ThomasKotlin]

what it comes down to with the marketing is people have been lied to so much that it's just easier to assume the person is lying to you than to think they are actually being genuine. says a lot about the current state of the world honestly. Who would've thought in a world where people lie constantly would breed this kind of sentimentality.

[@cooltwittertag]

The issue is if every character can use the same weapons, all the hitboxes have to be the same too which limits the design

[@leinadlink]

Can't believe this game ripped off Friends vs Friends... And that game had way more charm, but not nearly as much budget

[@id-null]

not really a rip off, more so a- 'what if FvF was mixed with Valorant' which no one has done yet. But I agree FvF deserved better with how much care was put into it

[@maddogct]

Thief II tech with the remote eye

[@rd-lw4td]

I played it. The team death match was fun.

[@patrickimperial579]

THE FINALS is the future of fps

[@Mousse_.]

8:33 , flats didnt even clock that the strategy in the video was countered by the enemy team lmfaoooooo

[@admagic6241]

3:18 welp... that's too bad, till the day we die, people will still continue to say it, that's something that can't be changed

[@reyne-soundtherapy469]

All the lancers feel 'same'y because they all share a similar silhouette and size. Overwatch would have the same issues if the faces were more realistic and everyone was Soldier 76 shaped.

[@Zebrix10]

11:05 looking respectfuly XD

[@Retronomicon]

A card system huh. That went well for Battlefront 2, surely nothing will go wrong with that system...

[@TonySmythTreeBTW]

"None of these feel super unique" is valid, but this is alpha. These are essentially concept models. We've seen what valve has already changed about characters in Deadlock, making them fit the theme of the world and give them more individuality. Plus all the characters have to fit the human form, since it's a CS like. Personally it looks like someone took CS and said "make it accessible to a wider audience" and I'm here for it.

[@Saiko__BOB]

11:11 a decision was made

[@Aparou27]

as soon as i saw a katana i was sold. i look for the genji in every game i play now

[@MrMadXenomorph]

you should play Ghostrunner, it's Genji gameplay on crack

[@Raxus001]

Overwatch character design is extreme and I’m convinced that flats is unable to untether from it. At least he’s aware of it though. I think these character designs are right on the money for the world of Fragpunk.

[@galixeesgrotto5805]

I played exclusively TDM. The only take away I can comment on that I absolutely HATED... was how freakin long the animations for the skills were. A lot of them take like 2 to 3 seconds to trigger and I absolutely despise that duration for what you get out of most of the abilities. NOW... grain of salt. I played in one of the first tests and I haven't tried it since. This may have changed. But at the time I HATED the skills so much and the skills are what I wanted the most.

[@manetarofl]

Smug look unwarranted during the katana bit... Blizzard didnt come up with the concept of using a katana to deflect bullets. Be serious.

[@RawTimee]

Tbh they DONT look all the same. Thats like saying a monkey looks like a elephant . They are big but not the same.

[@M1tZk1]

It gives me Concord 2.0 vibes. Also a card System, that will be fun at first but than frustrating to play against or simply to random for the pro gaming community, which an FPS now somehow needs, so that you have Twitch streamers creating content, making for a cheap Marketing campaign that a game needs to be advertised. But the first vibes from the Chat seem positive. People like the style, so it will at least have a chance at success. But than again Marvel Rivals comes out soon.

[@jarix3115]

dude the windows sound made me stress

[@bambampewpew32]

Oh wtf Izanamii I remember watching him for a d2 pvp build a year or 2 ago now

[@Romanian_user]

14:41 oh right EXCUSE ME, i commited the capital sin of calling the characters heroes because that's what they're called in the game i have 3000+ hours in and now i will be crucified because i'm sure what you call them 100% makes a difference and makes this game objectively better, instead of just being a way to set it appart from more popular games, RIGHT?

[@FusionHyperion]

It will end up like Spectre Divide imo

[@delayedits1239]

We're playing Supervive lil bro

[@very_grey]

The anime is Chainsaw Man if anyone is wondering.

[@ShoKasaki2k12]

Hero shooter and a deck builder? Count me out, dawg.

[@kahootkrummi8242]

Friends vs friends is a fun goofy card game fps shooter, it us a more chill/fun game

[@noahsarkhive4482]

Video shows off ricochet bullet. Flats in awe: that's so cool actually! Meanwhile hanzo scatterarrow in shambles because people hated the cheese rng of it so much 😂

[@kavid8120]

The cards should be dedicated and not RNG in Apex Legends you can pick which 2 Perks out of 4 you want your character to have. This game def has potential ngl but I don’t think any FPS game can get me to quit Apex because there’s no FPS game that gives me the adrenaline rush I get from fights 😢

[@SunderMun]

The idea that the market is saturated with hero shooters like Overwatch is hilarious to me because in reality there's been nothing to come out and compete with OW until Marvel Rivals and a lot of its popularity, IP aside, is people desperate for an alternative to the game that's been in a terrible place for 2 years with only signs of getting worse at every turn. This guy's music taste clearly being Honkai Star Rail is pretty based. Yep, definitely too early to talk about the monetisation; we just don't know how it'll be on release.

[@James-jf8jv]

Yk battle front 2 also had cards

[@Techno_Bunny433]

Titanfall 2 was the future of gaming last I saw. Boy that went well

[@Tamaromarou]

I think all the characters look like they are ripped straight from first descendants. I know that's probably not true, but it's something about that design style that's very generic and samey

[@sierrahallinan8711]

5v5 one life being described as "arcade-y" yeah... its going to be a sweat-fest after a month no doubt

[@witchamy]

this game feels like junkensteins lab tbh

[@anassright5342]

why u watch in 720p

[@ragnarokpuppy398]

5:00 i mean if you look at valorants channels community posts you'll be able to tell

[@marsh6676]

What happened to shroud’s game?😢

[@thelonelywolff]

If i had a nickel for every time someone said that about any fps, I would probably be a millionaire

[@ItzShdw]

Axon looks like he'd be aussie but hes not lmao

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

"Unique card system." Well twas a lie. lmao

[@TheBossManBoss319]

Katana to defelct bullet? Man between this and marvel rivals I never need to play Overwatch again.

[@djtoxicdhg]

Ok this dus actually look kinda cool not going to lie

[@MrSongib]

basically roguelike shooter?

[@happy_mane4186]

This game looks amazing and incredibly fun, the thing is, people hate fun and love to me horrible, toxicity and competitiveness will ruin this game, if not that, itll be tht the game dosnt get enough players

[@ofriction]

Feels like novelty will wear out pretty quickly, and you'll just end up with a cookie cutter shooter.

[@ALegendarySol]

im ngl I kinda shut this game out of my mind cuz it was another hero shooter but it actually looks good wtf

[@olegdusov4273]

*sees 1to1 draenei fron Wow* - "asari" 😂

[@jasonmighty3328]

Cannot wait for this! I feel like valo might be dead afterwards.

[@redddy]

23:50 i can already see all the racist things people will put in the guns and banner back to bo2 fr

[@HalfBoiIed]

15:40 because he's black right? They all look unique to me.

[@walalon8719]

Ufff that frame 11:23

[@Enhydra_l]

Look better than valorant for sure. Problem is I have 0 interest in Valorant too. Tac shooters are just tedious to me. Glad there are some good games coming out for people that enjoy those types of games though!

[@jovonsam9643]

Didnt think too highly of this game during its short release. Ngl this video has me hooked on playing when it fully comes out.

[@TheHiddenViper]

This will be a cheaters dream game

[@dragoncalloway227]

I don’t think this guy knows people break “FEDERAL LAW” all the time and will do undisclosed ads just the same. Very gullible to think nobody has ever done it matter of fact, them doing that makes it seem more authentic and they pay more to trick people like this guy thinking it can’t happen.

[@geneybaby]

GYAT!

[@Octovol]

Every gameplay clip in this video just looks like a more fleshed out and interesting Valorant, but peak-centric gameplay is not for me. I saw nothing about the character personalities during anything other than character selection and being able to customise everything yourself is nice but again takes even more away from the characters. Same goes for the card system and everyone having a generic set of guns. All adds to removal of actual character/hero from the supposed hero shooter. Overwatch is still the only competitive hero shooter out there; Because there are no heroes or characters that are fully present in the game itself in any other game. The closest thing to how Overwatch presents it's hero selection we have is Borderlands, the characters you play as actually mean something aside from their abilities and a few splash screens. There's definteily some cool ideas and they've really thought about some of the systems, but unfortunately almost all of them take it further and further away from being a hero shooter.

[@scrubgaming4266]

Well my true skill will come out in them 1v1s. Ill see yall in spawn 😂😂😂

[@mayuwu4408]

At least from what I can see here, the art direction/character designs and gamemode/pacing isn't within my tastes and just really isn't doing it for me. The aesthetic seems like it's going for a quirky flashy cyberpunk aesthetic with the vibes and UI (which a more stylized or cartoony style would suit a lot better imo), but the realisism noticibly calashes with that and saps that style and soul out of the aesthetic, and I don't find any of the character designs to be very appealing or interesting. Which is a big deal for (me personally as an artist as well as for) a hero shooter, and why the most successful one has some of the best character designs in the genre (OW2's monetization model hurts that a lot but that's another topic). I hate Valorant and CS's low Time To Kill, I prefer higher TTK games like OW or even MOBA's. It's just too jarring for me to be slowly creeping over to an objective trying to pay attention and then bam gunfight and someone dies within a second or 2, possibly waiting a number of minutes for the next round to start if you lose. I've never found that fun to play personally, so this game seeming like that is kind of a dealbreaker for me. The cards as gameplay modifiers are awesome tho, very cool and seems like fun in that way. If it's free, some friends want me to try it, and there's a gamemode with a lower TTK and/or multiple lives per round then I might give it a try (or if they shift the art direction but that's unlikely), but otherwise I think I'll be okay without it.

[@aleatorio._]

This is a honest sentiment, I sincerely wish I cared more about fragpunk. I played it, I had fun, but I didn't feel like it's a game I'm gonna hard commit to, and I wish it was.

[@HikasCorner]

This game looks super fun but I can't stand how the character designs are literally just unoriginal for men, and boobs with bodies attached to them for women. (this is an exaggeration of course, but the women lancer designs almost all look like sexual appeal objects than actual characters)

[@FusionHyperion]

I can't watch these videos during my lunch pause, sorry Flats lmao

[@marushall263]

even the name lancers was stolen lmfao

[@ivanfelipe240]

I hope this is on console to to be honest

[@AdrenResi]

looks generic sort of translation could be improved too and maybe it could have a somewhat decent following