Flexhouse: Shou Sugi Ban siding

[@luckytoad66]

You really should have done the sides and ends of the wood as well.

[@mattbolick76]

This video was recorded almost a decade ago. My question is...how is the siding holding up?

[@Turkeydinner]

I'm going to give it a go on my house this summer. It would be great if you made a follow up video to let everyone know how it went and what NOT to do. Please?

[@gordbaker896]

DON'T DO IT. Siding must be lapped to keep bugs and water out. This is a fine effort totally wasted. It should be Aluminum. Vinyl in cooler climates.

[@Turkeydinner]

Did it.

[@erikagantxegi3443]

And how did it go? I'm from Northern Spain and will do that in our new home but we are worried because when we try it it stains if you touch it.

[@myxomatosisity9977]

@@Turkeydinner And as you suggested.... Follow up? How'd it go?

[@toddler1009]

oh no, you didn't get every side, and it's not overlapping, water will bead into and behind the siding and it'll start to rot, I'm all for diy blah blah blah but like, maybe just consult someone who does this professionally for like 5-10 minutes and they'll usually steer you away from massive mistakes

[@nuttertube]

Exactly what I was thinking. That's going to leak like crazy. They should have at least used tongue and groove board if anything. I'm a huge advocate of DIY, but you have to research how the thing you're attempting works. They should have "watched a few KZbin videos" about common sense. Lol.

[@RADARTechie]

Yall, they live in portland, its not like they have to worry about rain or anything. Would be nice to see how its held up. An honest view, not an advertisement for the people who built it.

[@Risingnshouting]

It’s a rain screen, it’s supposed to allow air and water behind the boards, look it up - rain screen. They did a fine job.

[@Colabear59]

a rain screen that will leak and rot. something they were trying to avoid

[@hamishgoodley7208]

I guess it just doesn't look like the have a proper water barrier protecting the main structure of the house and seem to just be relying on the building paper.

[@brianlee6849]

Didn't the Japanese seal it with a wood oil like Tung oil or linseed oil also? Looks cool thanks for sharing

[@papayaman78]

Yes, this is hideous. Terrible job, the other side will rot.

[@brianlee6849]

@@papayaman78 I think it would be much better if they chard it on all sides then sand it for a nice contrast then treat it. Satin finish would be my choice. Thanks

[@listennowbreath]

Do not scrap off the char. Burn all sides. Finish with a few coats of tung oil after installation.

[@erikagantxegi3443]

If you put oil on it, it doesn't stain?

[@Soshesade]

have you gotten any problems after this video was made? saw some videos before from japan and they burn the wood much more, although i find this much more aesthetically appealing

[@sam_fujiyama]

I've never seen a detailed description of the process, best practices etc. I wonder how factors like the depth of charing, and oiling which some do affect this "80 year" lifespan estimate. I would think a light char which is what you have done, would preserve the wood from the elements less than a deeper char. You must report back in 80 years with the result.

[@matthewkentdavila]

David Ayre the shou sugi ban i saw done in Japan was charred much deeper than this.

[@sebastiantevel898]

Does not look like they charred all sides of the plank. If that it is the case the portions that are not charred will began to fail as any wood would do when exposed to the elements and they can forget the 80 years free of maintenance lifespan of this wood.

[@Peterman5001]

If that is cedar (it appears to be) it is naturally resistant to rotting. Not 100% rot proof but close. When you use this tecnique I would it assume it burns off most of the "fuzziness" of the wood. Less fuzz=less places for dirt to get trapped and water to hang out. And it looks nice.

[@roxanneedwards4902]

its Larch that they are using and its an old Japanese technique. It heats the tannin /oils and preserves the wood

[@erikagantxegi3443]

@@roxanneedwards4902 hello! I love how it looks and want to do the same in my house. Do you know if it stains? And do you know if they had any problems of rotting?

[@BenMummert]

beautiful look--I'm curious if there will be vertical streaks from oxidation of all those exposed nails, especially considering the weather, and if shou sugi ban exacerbates that problem by virtue of it not getting painted/coated, or even forming corrosive compounds

[@gregleonard1562]

1.presumably stainless steel nails. 2. ventilated facade will allow water ingress to dry off.3. a bevel cut along top and bottom edges, would prevent water sitting on top edge. 4. I think spruce. 5 aesthetically pleasing. 6. Nice job. 7. patronising professionals giving out about amateurs.8 come on.

[@AnimalMother1976]

Greg Leonard 80 years though?

[@bpaullus]

If it is done properly 80 years is the expected life of the material. Here is one good source of info deltamillworks.com/shou-sugi-ban. Here the product was not prepared properly. The typical wood used is generally Cypress, Cedar, or Redwood however, other woods can be used. All 6 sides (including the ends) should be burnt. Then the boards should be scrubbed with a metal or very stiff nylon brush or it can be power brushed. Next, it should be cleaned/washed to remove all the loose material and dust. Lastly, it should be sealed with a clear coat or oil. Again it is generally expected to last 80 years or more done properly. I'm all for DIY but I feel a little more than watching a few KZbin videos is sufficient. Conversations such as these should be had...at the very least ask some questions. All in all they did a decent job but I seriously doubt they will get anything near what they are expecting. Raw egde wood doesnt like the weather all that much especially in the climate they are in.

[@Nettle314]

How did it go? Did you have a problem with the uncharred sides of the boards?

[@iivv_nn]

What do they brush it with?

[@andrewrance]

I’m confused as the suggestion is that the burning all but eliminates the need for treatment yet people are applying oils and coatings that will evaporate or crack effectively returning us to a painting/oiling coating cycle the technique promised to eliminate!?

[@jamesrowley8185]

the weather will get to the back and rot from the other side. or did i miss something?

[@Thoracius]

Depends on whether the wood can easily dry. Seems like there would be pretty good airflow behind those boards.

[@LiloUkulele]

Does it need to be brushed? Does it need to be burned on all 4 sides?

[@totopareil1220]

les planches auraient du être coupées en biais pour éviter que l'eau ne reste sur le plat de la planche?

[@SiouxFalls777]

update video?

[@matthewkentdavila]

Shou sugi ban is the best. However, stopping at the concrete walls, a super durable wall surface, or even at a stucco skimmed onto the concrete, would have been the environmentally conscious finish to the building. These builders were so fascinated by their char that they added superfluous work, expense and carbon debt. Nevertheless, shou sugi ban is superiour and maybe I'm wrong.

[@Thoracius]

yeah, I don't know how environmentally friendly all that Styrofoam is either.

[@smallhomeideas]

Well done!

[@mauimudpup]

Isn't pine tar pretty flammable?

[@geckovision]

Is it Cedar?

[@myxomatosisity9977]

No tongue and groove? No Shiplap? Yikes... I don't think it will last as long as they are counting on with those open seams...

[@Thoracius]

80+ years of no maintenance is a bit optimistic. They didn't even oil the boards?

[@fatgeisha4685]

yikes, burn ALL sides and then brush AND seal 😬

[@tabbywarnickle2441]

What would you seal it with? It wouldn’t make it too shiney?

[@moviladaniel6010]

@@tabbywarnickle2441 yeah I’m also looking for a seal that would make it shiny

[@tabbywarnickle2441]

@@moviladaniel6010 I’m sealing my Siberian larch with what the Scandinavians use on all their houses for hundreds of years it’s called “Falun” comes in red and black

[@hanspecans]

What were they brushing with?

[@Utaheyelid]

Looking to use this on an interior project on a mantle.

[@gordbaker896]

That's the only place it will work. Keep it far from the fire.

[@PlantSugar]

No oil treatment after burning?

[@roxanneedwards4902]

no need, the oil is in the wood

[@hamadilawson4396]

I'd used an natural oil preservative. Better safe than sorry.

[@NoCantsAllowed]

I will admit, the Sugi Pine/Jap Cedar (I assume that's what type of wood this is) is VERY beautiful and the charring process definitely seems to enhance the unique patterns that wood is famous for. However, and please correct/educate me if I'm wrong here, I would have to be quite concerned about the flammability of such a structure... especially if that structure was one in which I planned to live. What prevents it from taking a spark like regular char wood or char cloth firestarters?

[@Thoracius]

Apparently shou sugi ban actually makes the wood more fire resistant, because you've already burned off the flammable carbohydrates from the surface of the wood. Google is your friend.

[@NoCantsAllowed]

@@Thoracius ...yeah, Google... that "know-it-all" robot... It just lacks the humanity, caring, personalization. Plus, its allwayz screwing with my avtocorekt and spying in on my grocery-lists. I appreciate the info and ...#/%*# KILL ALL HUMANS...KILL ALL HUMANS...KILL ALL HUMANS...#*%\# ...sorry about that... I appreciate you taking the time!

[@woodhenge4413]

GOOOD~~

[@brainnya]

Styrofoam covered with wood - what a torch, amazing

[@martinfrieling8860]

Ein Dachüberstand hilft sehr viel mehr !

[@kgt877]

Could a similar effect be acquired by using a black or dark grey stain? I like this but I think it is a bit too dark

[@charlesball9522]

It's a wood preservation technique, not just for looks.

[@honkytonk2010]

I'an doing my deck like that

[@driverjamescopeland]

One of the first statements: "Eco-friendly" While using propane to burn wood 😂 These hippies never cease to crack me up 🤦‍♂️

[@deejaykollar8383]

"It's Eco Friendly." If I had a nickle for every time I've heard that. Gotta love the KZbin degree in todays society. They didn't do all 6 sides. Have fun with the rot in just a few years. Oh and it wont last 80 years. No mention of the tung oil.

[@benjaminhawkins1129]

Deejay Kollar I concur Deejay. There is a lot more to this technique than they showed here, and if they left those essential points out, their house is going to have a major issue or 10 in just a few years of weather. For one, it wasn't tongue in groove, which helps seal out the weather. For two they didn't focus on how important it still is to SEAL the wood. It's mission critical. The less char on that wood, the more important it is. Even when you go balls out and the wood looks like a cracked blackend desert floor you STILL have to seal the wood at the very least with as you mention, Tung oil. Light chars can give you opportunity to use other types of stain to really bring out grain and contrast... and SEAL the wood. I'll be doing a project like this for a few of my interior walls to contrast the brick walls, so my char will be lighter in most rooms. I'm still going to seal the wood.

[@JeffCampbell2016]

+Deejay Kollar Agree, they blew it. Without oil and overlapping there will be problems sooner rather than later as they are just the youtube experts.

[@nuttertube]

I agree with all of the above. I cringed when I realized what they were really doing. This video won't serve to teach anyone anything except how to ruin a good homes walls/insulation/etc...

[@andrewbeaudry4399]

Even if cedar, Wich usually doesn't rot. It should still be sealed

[@AnimalMother1976]

I thought you were being negative until I saw them nailing it up only doing 1/3 of the job lol - live and learn just like the rest of us

[@canofwupass]

NO SEAL?!?!?!?!?

[@enchantedwooddesignz3607]

oh boy. no oil or stain (even clear) and they didn't even overlap at all. Oh damm, you guys messed up pretty bad. EEkkk. All that work....wasted.

[@ina86t]

and they only burned one side of the wood panels.

[@listennowbreath]

Needs a few coats of tung oil

[@SMee67]

If done properly it is burned on all sides. It's Shou Sugi Ban, pronounced Shouw Shoogie Barn... 👍🏽

[@corynickoleff767]

Doesn't look right, the sides should be done too

[@thomasphelps648]

"It's a natural way..." It's propane...lol

[@vanesssaurus]

This is called being a troglodyte. Youre really offended by the tone of smugness so eventhough they're avoiding all this paint and shit on their house, "well they didn't bottle the propane."

[@ddub3308]

Natural can imply having little or no processing and containing no chemical additives which is what is used to weather treat wood in the 21st century. Think natural foods you would buy from the store. The propane is used to make the fire. Believe it or not, you can actually make fire without propane or gasoline, i know, why would you want to. This is 100% a natural method of weather treating wood. The person below is probably a better example of a Troglodyte than the people in this video, how do I know, because they're sitting around watching videos of Shou Sugi Ban.

[@unlikelyprophet3260]

Surrounded by wood and using propane for fire....

[@stevenbrittan8416]

If it was eco friendly the tree would still be standing

[@gordbaker896]

Wrong wrong wrong material. Should be light coloured Aluminum. The wood is too heavy, not lapped and will shrink and let rain and bugs in.