Flight control problem after takeoff from LaGuardia. American A319 diverts to Kennedy. Real ATC

[@glenbearh9109]

The attention to detail and professional manner are to be applauded from both ATC and pilot's bravo

[@Pooneil1984]

A good illustration on just how systematically mechanical failures are addressed in aviation.

[@rainbowwarrior6452]

that last tower controller is so chill he's got ice sickles hanging off his eyebrows.

[@kwep6439]

Icicles

[@petergriffin8767]

Ice sickles

[@IIIllllIIIIlllll]

Bicycles

[@budguy21]

icicles

[@counterfit5]

I want to ride my ice sickle, I want to ride my iiiiice.

[@mikek5298]

Once again, fuel in hours given but fuel in pounds later requested. Every. Single. Time.

[@eh4907]

Who gives a shit - 99% of the time it doesn't matter and only wastes peoples time.

[@dupontjean9263]

I heard that fuel in hours is for ATC to know how long the aircraft can stay in the air, while in pounds is for firefighters in case something bad happens.

[@WilliamOfDetroit07]

@@dupontjean9263I always thought they had the ability to get a rough calculation based on the aircraft type without having to bug the pilots but I guess I was wrong considering they always ask for it.

[@TheByard]

@@WilliamOfDetroit07 The ATC are also busy warning other aircraft and getting them out of the way, plus still trying to maintain flights in and out of the airport. This also helps in getting room for the emergency aircraft. I worked at Heathrow London and the airport vehicle I drove had VHF radio for airside use. I was amazed at the amount of work ATC does to clear a path for an emergency landing of a plane already in the landing stack. landing planes being sent North and South to make space and planes queueing for take off being kept clear of taxiways etc. for emergency vehicles.

[@idunnoanymore2870]

I know I just don’t get it! It’s almost like ATC likes to piss the pilots off. They’re busy enough with an emergency!

[@johnbaldock6353]

And i can't even get my food order right at Mcdonalds! These People Rock!!🇬🇧👏

[@robertATC60]

That was really good first ATC turns to 360 away from city plus KSWF has a long runway

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

if my understanding is correct, ailerons are used in low speed flight regime - and spoilers + flaperons are used to augment or supplement - so while losing aileron controls is significant, its not a mayday situation necessarily.

[@emmawilding886]

Not necessarily, which is why they declared it so late, only when it became clear the resulting workload would require priority treatment and vectors.

[@edwalker2790]

@ghostrider-be9ek The ailerons are used at all speeds. They are mixed with the spoilers to control roll but are controlled by separate computers. No flaperons. Flaperons are trailing edge surfaces that lower symmetrically to increase lift at lower speeds, but can raise independently to aid roll. I would declare an emergency right away for any loss of a primary control surface. The spoilers will still control roll without the ailerons, but they will also induce drag on that wing causing a yaw movement. Small inputs will be fine, it will just feel sluggish. Still, wait until the report comes out to see what happened.

[@brettstowell4029]

Everyone did a great job. The younger-sounding pilot seemed to be getting task saturated (as evidenced by repeating back extraneous information to ATC), but kept it together nicely. I only question not asking for the trucks to "look the aircraft over" or something similar. There is no harm in an inspection. ARFF can use its thermal camera to confirm there aren't hot spots and visually confirm there isn't a leak. Computer, hydraulic and electrical systems all are involved in controlling the ailerons. A quick inspection on the ground just seems prudent.

[@intelfx86]

_> pilot seemed to be getting task saturated (as evidenced by repeating back extraneous information to ATC)_ Yup, that seems to be a pretty reliable indicator!

[@eviscerellaswiftblade5529]

How the hell do the ailerons stop working?!

[@Q1776Q]

They are very complex systems...

[@RaineStudio]

Can be as simple as a mechanic forgetting to tighten a nut.

[@_Breakdown]

@@Q1776Q and…? (That’s not an answer.)

[@_Breakdown]

Good question

[@maanmohammad8459]

@@_Breakdown Lol.Either he doesn't know how it works,or he knows but it's gonna take a long time explaining.The good thing is that there is always uncle "google".

[@IzuanNisa-h1u]

Approved ✅

[@Barbara-u5h]

Pilots got a light that something is not working. They go thru checklist.they found problem and now must burn fuel or they will be too heavy. Dont want to land with too much fuel,safety issue.

[@klausbellroth5451]

Did they use differential thrust? How do they steer with no ailerons?

[@TopTierHospitality-p6p]

steer a plane without ailerons, a pilot would primarily use the rudder to control the yaw (turning left or right), while utilizing throttle adjustments to compensate for any resulting changes in altitude or attitude, effectively creating a "slip" to initiate turns; this method is significantly less precise and requires more coordination than using ailerons for rolling maneuvers.

[@ace00007]

Other control surface on the wings can do the same thing just not as clean.

[@mezaviation]

Differential use of spoilers. They keep acting as ailerons

[@GeorgePsaros]

Roll control can be maintained with spoilers and rudder. Differential thrust would be a last resort.

[@TheByard]

@@GeorgePsaros My boat had twin engines and so for mooring alongside I'd use the outside engine to snug her gently up to the dock. She was rale old and only had a center rudder so steering could be a challenge if I snagged something on a prop.

[@jetalse7974]

What happened to the backup systems?

[@counterfit5]

They worked

[@craig7350]

Always always always an issue with fuel. He gives it to him twice in time, and of coarse the twr then wants it in pounds that he has to repeat!!

[@Frank-si2jd]

Incredible proficiency performance from the aircrew! Congratulations guys!! Can anyone update on this very strange aileron part? What type of aircraft is it?

[@folklorian4368]

Can someone explain how they manuevered the flight without functioning ailerons?

[@TopTierHospitality-p6p]

To steer a plane without ailerons, a pilot would primarily use the rudder to control the yaw (turning left or right), while utilizing throttle adjustments to compensate for any resulting changes in altitude or attitude, effectively creating a "slip" to initiate turns; this method is significantly less precise and requires more coordination than using ailerons for rolling maneuvers.

[@edwalker2790]

My guess is they lost both aileron computers ( ELACs) somehow. They will still have roll control with the spoilers which are controlled by separate computers, albeit it will be sluggish in roll.

[@klausbellroth5451]

@edwalker2790 correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the spoilers only be extended symetrically? I don't see how that would have any impact on the direction of the flight.

[@MarceloTrindade1]

​@klausbellroth5451 The spoilers must work symmetrically during landing to "spoil" the aerodynamic airflow over the wings (reducing speed) and to force the aircraft down on main landing gear (increasing brake efficiency). During flight, some of the several panels work together with the ailerons helping the roll movement.

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

@@TopTierHospitality-p6p this does not apply to airliners like the a320 - they have spoilers and flaperons that can be used

[@barryo5158]

Very good!

[@frontcentermusician]

Turns out it was a simple glass fuse that blew...

[@malahammer]

Just for balance...............oh look another not a Boeing :)

[@suekamm4125]

It's an Airbus.

[@carsonfran]

@@suekamm4125 hence not a Boeing ...

[@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC]

Ailerons? I thought Airbus still used wing warping...../s

[@KenGrimm1949]

Really? They don't shift their weight side to side like a hang-glider?😅

[@DeweyCheatumNHoweLLC]

@KenGrimm1949 gotta have the passengers help then. Would Frontier charge extra for that?

[@pizzanpepsi]

Wow another serious flight emergency without making the headlines, how do these airlines manage to keep this so quiet?

[@bp900]

Do you know how many of these emergency flights happen every day across the US? The flight landed safely, what's to report?

[@pizzanpepsi]

@bp900 So you're saying many incidents as serious as losing aileron control are happening every day?

[@budguy21]

@@pizzanpepsi why is this news?? Nothing happened.

[@absurdengineering]

The airlines don’t do anything. This stuff is public. If only media were interested.

[@BernhardWelzel]

Calm down, this is zero drama, no conspiracy and nothing to report. What exactly do you want the news to be? Airplane broke, but nothing happened because of good training, security protocols and redundant systems?

[@PG-ji6vq]

Surely PAN PAN ?

[@budguy21]

nah nobody does that

[@Barbara-u5h]

Not a fire,no real emergency. That used in case of real emergency..fire..

[@budguy21]

@@Barbara-u5h 100% wrong. Loss of flight controls is definitely a real emergency. There are many many emergencies that are NOT fire.

[@mro4440]

Pan-pan, pan-pan, pan-pan?????????????????

[@budguy21]

nah

[@andrewtaylor9610]

Good job by the crew overall, but the stubborn refusal of US crews to use proper terminology like the rest of the world is bizarre. Means they use three times the number of words when brevity is essential.

[@budguy21]

@@andrewtaylor9610 sorry but here in America we dont give a shit about the rest of the world.

[@biffhenderson1144]

So funny how everyone asks how long it will take. Reminds me of my boss. Idiots. It's done when it is done.

[@pocalipse.things]

They want to know if they gonna remain holding in their airspace or if they need to prepare handling them to the next controller.

[@ronwade2206]

AA Pilots are the WORST , Declare the Emergency and when ATC asks how long you need MAKE SOMETHING UP!

[@budguy21]

lie to atc? Great idea.

[@Barbara-u5h]

You don't lie to atc. AA pilots are professional. Don't want to declare an emergency landing if it's not. "Emergency landing" involves more of a landing

[@andrewtaylor9610]

Even better, use the correct terminology and declare pan or mayday, as specified in international standards.

[@budguy21]

@@andrewtaylor9610 relax karen

[@autoauto8464]

THIS IS WHY ACCIDENTS OCCUR...MORE THAN 30.MINUTES TO PUT PLANE ON GROUND SO MUCH TALK AND B.S

[@budguy21]

uh, but nothing happened so maybe sit quietly and let the experts handle it

[@gregfaris6959]

The only unprofessional thing I see here is you sitting in your armchair yelling about something you clearly know nothing about.

[@counterfit5]

Checklists take time. The only time to force à landing early is fire or smoke in the cabin.

[@shaggybreeks]

Wow. Some "video"... starts out with a page of text to read. Silence. No narrator, not even any sappy royalty-free music. There's too much of this half-assed crap.

[@waynec9444]

@shaggybreeks Stupid comment! If you do not like it, do not hit the button (watch).

[@giggleigloos]

Wtf

[@RaineStudio]

I bet you got a lump of coal yesterday.

[@_Breakdown]

@@RaineStudio😂😂😂

[@maanmohammad8459]

A guy went to a bucher and asked "how much is this piece of meat?" The bucher said" it is free",the guy said"can you weigh it for me please?"