Flight Deck Crews: Landing & Re-Spotting World War 2 Aircraft Carrier Planes

[@Abdullah-mn6sw]

I always needed such a video to see how things worked. Usually videos about carrier don't detail how planes taxied and how they were arranged and put, etc.

[@mikebrown1926]

For you younger viewers I would suggest watching Victory At Sea, the entire series. If you aren't familiar with it, it was done in the fifties and consists of excellent WWII footage, (and one or two rather hokey special effect shots taken from movies) as well as a magnificent musical score.

[@papabeanguy]

Thanks for the information, I will check it out.

[@dukecraig2402]

Oh yea it's a classic series, if it's not on KZbin it's probably on free streaming services like Tubi, I lucked out about 10 years ago and found it in the 5 dollar bin in a Walmart and snagged it right up.

[@steves1900]

You never want to be one of the first 5 guys back on deck. This is yet another film I've never seen after 30 yrs of watching this kind of stuff - this is why you watch KZbin.

[@richardscott737]

why not be 1/5? Please explain

[@LuisLopez-zh9kh]

@@richardscott737 Something something a high speed aircraft and dangerous equipment like the high power winches and wires that can sever your body in half.

[@richardscott737]

@@LuisLopez-zh9kh Thank you

[@douglaurinat4208]

What a great video! My father was a Naval Aviator in WW2..Served on 2 carriers USS Yorktown CV5 and Yorktown CV10..just one hell of a flyboy...thanks again for sharing this outstanding video!

[@ZenosWarbirds]

You’re welcome! Zeno

[@Miatacrosser]

Thank you. This was fascinating to see how they operated a straight deck jeep carrier in WWII and all the close ups of the Wildcat and Avenger was an added bonus.

[@Lockbar]

Interesting and informative. This is the exact same thing the IJN carrier deck crews were doing when our dive bombers caught them a Midway. KABOOM!

[@麻花すわん]

空母艦載機のパイロットが精鋭揃いというのがよく分かりますます。 毎回、この着艦作業をしなければいけないなんで凄すぎる。

[@Airsally]

A lot going on ...amazing they get so close to spinning props

[@Jigaboo123456]

These guys haven't just been well drilled, they've been choreographed! Most informative and impressive. Great clip, Zenowarbirds,thanks for posting:-)

[@mjl1966y]

I was just reading War Gaming and Carrier Aviation, which explains how Captain Reeves created the deck-handling tactics we see here. Wargaming had shown that a two-minute recovery interval wasn't going to cut it in combat, where carriers needed to quickly turn their aircraft to allow for maximum force deployments. He was appointed Commander of essentially the only naval air group available in 1925, which were 8 aircraft on the USS Langley (our first carrier). He then got that up to 16 and then asked his pilots, basically, "How do we turn faster?" His innovations include the colored shirts for different roles (something the navy does to this day), the LSO and the wire barrier you see brought up after each recovery while recovered aircraft are rolled forward and spotted. Once that barrier is up, the next aircraft can recover. This ordering of flight deck operations for multiple activities at once cut recover down to 90 seconds per plane. This was due to the new procedures, which replaced the original practice of taking a recovered aircraft down to the hangar bay before letting the next one land. The other benefit of rolling the aircraft forward was they could then be rolled straight back to the fan tail and launched, drastically reducing the interval between full recovery and a new launch sequence. www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/research/publications/publication-508-pdf/NHHC_Winning%20a%20Future%20War_508b.pdf

[@stevenvicino8687]

I love ZenosWarbirds. I've bought lots of videos like this. Some of them are cheesy but hell. That was War Department policy. You won't find Tom Cruise here but you will find authentic cheesy War Dept. videos which I find fascinating. Several of my own family got to watch this stuff firsthand before their experiences. Really brings it home.

[@kekistanimememan170]

So fuel men are red and ammo white. Nowadays red are ordnancemen Purple for fuelling And white for quality assurance.

[@oldbaldfatman2766]

Thank you for a fascinating & educational video. Any plane modeler who sees this should have a lot of diorama ideas along with making sure how their plane(s) is on the carriers flight deck.

[@jameshughes9246]

Training aircraft as seen by the markings and all that red outlining. Very small number of planes as well, even for a jeep carrier, Great vid, thanks!

[@jameshafner1442]

Red outlines indicate mid 1943. Places on the starboard wings of some of these aircraft would seem to indicate they had large insignia in those locations previously. Could this have been filmed on the Great Lakes, on one of the training carriers there?

[@stevevernon1978]

@@jameshafner1442 This was not one of the two coal powered Great Lakes carriers. Someone said its CVE-16 USS Nassau September 1943 off of San Diego .

[@qtrfoil]

July-ish, 1943. Insignia Specification Number AN-1-9a, with the red outline, was in use for only about 6 weeks.

[@RayBecker]

Thank you posting all of the awesome videos that you have. I was an OS on the Independence CV-62.

[@sr633]

An excellent no nonsense video. A lot of danger everywhere when the pressure was on to get all returning planes home.

[@Andrew-13579]

Yes, I think I would've been real watchful not to get whacked by a propeller or slip off the deck overboard, or fall into an open elevator! Man, there was no OSHA back then, ha ha. But it looked like fun, hard work, too. Running up and down the deck like in a basketball or soccer game, and then push, push like a football game. Except, being shot at with bullets, shells, bombs and torpedoes wouldn't be fun...oh, and the mines, too. Not even mentioning typhoons or just plain rough seas. No weather satellites back then!

[@tyronemarcucci6991]

A F4F with folding wings was an F4F-4. Based on the various markings, these are war weary planes now used for training. By this time the F6F was out in the fleet and the FM2 as well.

[@relathan1]

Thanks. I was wondering about that.

[@johnwayne6501]

but alot of escort carriers still used the F4F.

[@Andrew-13579]

The description says FM-1. Wkipedia says FM-1 was identical to the F4F-4, except for having only two guns in each wing instead of 3. The F4F was designed and built by Grumman. The FM was license built by General Motors (GM), so that Grumman could concentrate production on the new F6F Hellcats. The F4F-3 did not have folding wings and had 2 guns per wing. The F4F-4 introduced the folding wings and 3 guns per wing, but the additional weight of these reduced its performance. So, the FM-1 was built with only 2 guns per wing. The FM-2 was a significant change to the Wildcat, with a 1350 hp, single-row, 9-cylinder Wright Cyclone that had more power, but with (I think) a 1-speed supercharger for lower altitudes (about 18,000' and below). The vertical tail was made taller to help control the greater torque output of the Cyclone engine. Otherwise, the FM-1 and F4F's had the less powerful, 1200 hp, double-row (2x7), 14 cylinder Pratt & Whitney R-1830 with a 2-stage supercharger for higher altitudes. But by the time the FM-2 was produced, the F6F was in operation on the front-line fast carriers. The FM-2's mission was defence of an escort carrier, anti-submarine and close-air support for landing forces...it didn't need to fly up high. It was better than the F4F down at low level...and it was significantly smaller than the Hellcat, perfect for the small escort carriers.

[@Andrew-13579]

In looking at the video, it's clear these Wildcats have only 2 guns per folding wing. That would seem to indicate FM-1.

[@cloudshe]

@@Andrew-13579 thanks, never knew some wildcats had 1820s

[@oldbaldfatman2766]

Oct. 2, 2018---Beautiful, simply beautiful. Thank you for this video.

[@gendoikari6062]

Teamwork...what is that? no such thing exists in 2019! A jewel of a documentary! Its amazing what those people of the 40's did, just extraordinary!

[@johnmooney9742]

Doesn't exist? Just go aboard any aircraft carrier...in fact any U S Navy ship...you'll see teamwork. I know..been there...23 years Navy officer.

[@456swagger]

They believed in what they were doing. That was before public schools taught that America is a selfish evil country and Honor and duty are for suckers.

[@billhuber2964]

@@johnmooney9742 I know what you mean brother. 4 years in the gator NAVY.

[@markfryer9880]

@@billhuber2964 The gator navy? Could you please give this Aussie the good oil on that expression.

[@billhuber2964]

@@markfryer9880 an alligator is an amphibious creature. Amphibious ships carrying troops are called "gator freighters". It's a yank slang. You know us yanks. We like to put slang on everything. God bless Australia.

[@fredvanduyne8684]

0:01 looks like my dad. He served in VT -10 on board CV6 Enterprise 1942 to 1945

[@petesheppard1709]

My dad was an aviation metalsmith with Fighting 6 in mid-'42 and was wounded at Santa Cruz in October.

[@GIGroundNPound]

This is from "The Fighting Lady" right? Wonderful that these are still preserved.

[@ZenosWarbirds]

I believe it was shot on one of the USN training carriers on Lake Michigan. chicagonavymemorial.org/chicagos-role-in-navy-history/training-ships-aircraft-carriers-lake-michigan

[@kingtigertank72]

always wanted to see one of these....grateful to you

[@tyreekmurillo4524]

those straight deck ww2 carriers are scary as hell.

[@stevelauda5435]

I am a Canadian, but i feel such a tremendeous sense of pride and respect for all these Americans who faught in the pacific theater of the war.

[@johnwayne6501]

wow...hats off to these crewman. And this was on a good day. I hate to feel their pain when it's stormy like and cold (North Atlantic or the Aleutians).

[@tech4pros1]

My late grandfather was a Lt.Cmdr, flying. on the HMS Nabob on the northern routes into Russia.. He has medals from both the Royal navy and the soviet Union.

[@johnwayne6501]

@@tech4pros1 am humble that he fought for freedom against the enemy.

[@stevepowsinger733]

I built a model of the USS Roosevelt about 1956, one of the last straight decks. Even then plane that folded their wings back was obsolete, the new method was folding them up....It's amazing that foldable wings are strong enough in flight. Also amazing that they could get airborne off a Jeep carrier. ...If those are Wildcats it must have been about 1943 as the Hellcat superceded them mid-war.

[@vegasspaceprogram6623]

They still used wildcats after 1943 on smaller escort carriers Up to around 1944.

[@vegasspaceprogram6623]

If i heard correctly, this is on a escort carrier

[@EzioAuditore]

Imagine how bad of a headache that spotter guy must of gotten from staring in and out of binoculars at the sunny sky on a moving ship ALL DAY for months….

[@jebsails2837]

My late brother served as a "yellow shirt" on the Randolph, Champ. and Ticonderoga. Like our W-4 father I went in the Navy, albeit Submarine Service. Thanks for the insight.

[@ZenosWarbirds]

Jeb Sails You’re welcome! A Submariner? Then I think you’ll find this of interest kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ7bq36rr7NnrcU

[@jebbroham1776]

The yellowshirts on the Truman stacked our jets the same way on the Truman, literal inches from each wingtip. It was close enough to where I could quite easily step from one jet to another in the hangar bay simply by using the leading edge extensions. The same yellowshirts also crunched a lot of our jets too.

[@michaelmappin4425]

From first work ups to cruise completion on Enterprise in 2011, we only had 1 crunch. On TR in 93, just on the cruise, we had 30. Leadership makes the difference.

[@jebbroham1776]

@ You’re absolutely right, leadership can make or break a deployment.

[@billbright1755]

Shot up aircraft,, losing fuel and oil, pilot badly wounded, still able to fly somewhat, wind screen black with oil. Naval aviator,, salute 🇺🇸.

[@Flickchaser]

Very interesting video. I remember seeing an old Bk&Wt film recently showing carrier flight deck operations in WWII. The pilot in cockpit used his hand to signal someone on deck in morse code. He used a raised palm for a "dash" (-) or "dah" and raised a closed fist for "dot" ( . ) or "dit" . He signaled- palm-fist-palm, or "dah-dit-dah" for the letter K . Then palm for "dah" the letter T , then Palm-Palm-palm- or "dah-dah-dah" for the letter O. Combined it's K-T-O, maybe OK for Take Off?? Navy training is second to none.

[@jalspach9215]

Nice to see the old taut-line hitch.

[@Firebrand55]

That initial re- spotting is hairy!...so close to the endless Pacific Ocean! Not only flying ability needed but steel nerves as well.

[@richardscott737]

What does re-spotting mean please?

[@Firebrand55]

@@richardscott737 On landing, planes are immediately positioned on tether points away from the landing strip, i.e. on their numbered 'spots' ready for turn-around.... 1 port and 2 starboard first.... 5.00 to 8.00

[@KenScottB]

Loved the video! Looks like it was made in mid-42 - early 43? The fighters were F4F Wildcats; the Hellcats came out in mid-43 for the fleet carriers?? The big ones were TBF/TBM Avengers. Always fascinates me to see these multi-ton aircraft landing like this. Imagine doing this in combat, like the Marianas?? Great work!

[@pizzafrenzyman]

They are FM-1's not F4F-4's which have 4 .50s instead of 6. Since fleet carriers were tasked with sinking the Japanese fleet, CVE's were tasked with ground support for invasions. Because the FM-1 was not designed for ground support, so it quickly gave way to the FM-2 which was fitted with bomb racks. The markings in this video indicate summer of 1943 (possibly a little later).

[@bretz71]

I keep looking for XO CDR JJ Jocko Clark stomping around on his bad leg, yelling at his CV-5 USS Yorktown crew to spot/respot tighter and faster.

[@sasquatchishere7453]

This was very interesting. I used to be a plane captain many moons ago. Of course we had jets and used chains to tie the aircraft down to the deck. Wow things have changed. We seldom ever had plan spotters. Aircraft were far too heavy. But plane captains still rode the brakes.

[@marbleman52]

How many Moons ago...? I was also a Plane Captain in the squadron VAQ-33 at N.A.S. Norfolk, Va., from 1971-75. The planes I was in charge of was the ERA-3B Skywarrior ( A-3).

[@johnball2657]

@@marbleman52 thanks

[@johnball2657]

Thanks

[@cloudshe]

@@marbleman52 can't imagine a harder plane to P/C (unless they sent you to VQ1 or 2). the Firebirds were an odd outfit but had some amazingly cool aircraft!

[@marbleman52]

@@cloudshe Hey there, I loved taking care of our 4 ERA-3B's. Each one had it's own personality and little quirks and that is what made them so challenging. And those huge drag chutes....they were a challenge all by themselves to get all of the risers untangled and the canopy folded up precisely and then fit it all inside a bag that you would swear was not possibly big enough to hold all that stuff ! Yes, our outfit was an Electronic Counter Measures squadron and all of our planes had various ECM gear in it. Our job/mission was to train the fleet...the ships and planes...in how to recognize the real radar signals from the bogus signals. VAQ-33 also had 4 -A-4 Skyhawks, 2- F-4 Phantoms, and one Lockheed Super Constellation. Yep, they all were fun to launch and recover and work with. I was at VAQ-33 for only 3 years, but we were always going to other Naval bases for exercises and it seemed that I spent more time away from home base than at home, but that was fine with me; I loved every minute of it. And in those 3 years, I felt as though I had lived 10 years worth of going & coming and working with our planes. I will always have the fondest memories of those years.

[@tommyzDad]

LOL: "Hey, Mac. You can carry that chock and push too, you know." "Oh, yeah, 'Mac", well YOU push and lug chocks for 12 to 14 hours a day in this Pacific heat! Get back to your office!"

[@CaesarInVa]

+tommyzDad No shit. I remember getting reamed-out by flight deck control because I didn't turn-to on a push-back. I had been called up from the my shop to lend our KG-40/KY-28 encryption guns to a tech from another squadron and was specifically told to meet the tech in particular spot by the island. Then, because I went to help on the push-back, I got reamed out by my maintenance chief for not being where I was supposed to be to hand the guns over to the other tech. That's the Navy in a nutshell.

[@Flickchaser]

CaesarInVa: What is an encryption gun and how is it used?? Does it have to do with a Navy code that changes often??

[@Mishn0]

It's a box the size of a largish book with a handle on one end. Inside are a bunch of pins who's depth is set according to the code. It's punched into a socket in the aircraft and the pins in the gun set the pins in the aircraft to the correct code. How often it's changed depends on the alert conditions of the time and it's classified. It's probably done with a USB stick nowadays.

[@akulkis]

@@Mishn0 Mechanical crypto key systems had already been replaced by digital keys by the time I went to radio operator school in 1990... and the KYK-13 we were using in classes was already obsolete by then (uh, thank you, Walker Brothers, for giving TM's etc on that equipment to Soviet KGB espionage agents). ANCD was probably the best of the digital, because other than 1 step you can fill a device with your eyes close (or mostly blinded)

[@Mishn0]

@@akulkis My experience is about 15 years earlier. I believe the KY-28 used the pin based key encoder, but I was radar and not com/nav so I wasn't supposed to know what those guys were up to.

[@donbrinson2625]

Great video of the Greatest Generation doing what was ask of them! Wouldn't there have been a walking of the flight deck following the aft spotting completion? Debris on the flight deck from landings would need to be removed for safety reasons.

[@scribeofalara6259]

"Funny what you catch on these wires sometimes. And there's no bait, too!"

[@martinsoublette95]

Scribe of Alara 10:46

[@tyronemarcucci6991]

The first landing F4F or FM2was on a CVE. The signal "bridge" was below the flight deck level. One yard arm on flag bag. SMC retired.

[@tomservo5347]

Wasn't the joke that 'CVE' stood for 'Combustible, Vulnerable, and Explosive?

[@TheWizardGamez]

"asbestos suit man" yikes. imagine being in the worst safety suit EVER. whoo. thank god that fire didnt get me 10 years later damn silicosis

[@peterbecich]

Is the purpose of the wire shown at 17:46 to electrically ground the plane to the ship?

[@ZenosWarbirds]

I don't know, but that makes sense!

[@TexasHoosier3118]

How long did it take to launch aircraft to intercept incoming enemy - from time of first report to getting all planes on the flight deck in the air? Was it 5 minutes to turn into the wind then 4 planes per minute?

[@TheBlackSpider82]

Great footage.

[@Abdullah-mn6sw]

Seems so calm

[@amerigo88]

At 23:37 Mark we see how the control surfaces were secured. Many a land-based aircraft has crashed because devices mounted directly to the control surfaces were not removed during preflight checks. Tragic. Looks like this cockpit cable solution could have prevented some of those deaths.

[@chuckschillingvideos]

There wasn't a spare inch of room on the deck of these escort carriers.

[@grandpa71]

Thank you for the nice video.Now I understand how it was titanic job.

[@richardyoung4616]

I've never seen this, very interesting.

[@clacicle]

Richard Young totally agree. Amazing footage.

[@mcedd54]

Superb. Thank You!

[@sbchelldiver]

The Airdale that went down the elevator must be good friends with Private Snafu :D

[@model-man7802]

Cousins...😂

[@dant.3505]

Kinda looks like him too. Probably why they picked him to play that role.

[@allgood6760]

Thanks for this 👍🇳🇿✈️

[@ZenosWarbirds]

You’re welcome.👍

[@lebaillidessavoies3889]

pretty cool vid!

[@Mexiepino]

Wow! Great addition toy favorites.

[@joeguzman3558]

One of the biggest accidents was because of electrical problems, my stepfather used to tell me and he always did a test fire because the machine guns they used to jam.

[@dennismason3740]

This is why I used to love the military. The precision, the impeccability matched only in Germany and Japan and where do you shop these days for fine machines? I have a Duesenberg whammy bar on my Chinese Epi SG. Part of my guitar is made by the company that won many motor races in the 30s and probably made Hitler's car and it is an engineering masterpiece. There was a saying that you ol' timers remember - "It's a Doozie!" which meant, kids, it is a superb example of whatever object or task you are talking about. In Hawaii they say "no ka oi" - correct me on that if it's wrong.

[@teenchy]

Duesenberg the auto manufacturer was American, founded by two brothers who emigrated from Germany. Duesenberg Guitars is German but did not exist until the 1980s, well after the end of WWII.

[@johnrobinson3852]

Would love to have been one of the flight crew that saved our men and planes.

[@kakinokitsune4487]

This was a CVE or jeep carrier

[@johnpombrio]

A major faux pas in the video's description. On Japanese WW2 carriers aircraft servicing, refueling and weapons reloading were done on the hangar deck instead of flight deck. As photographs taken by American pilots during the Battle of Midway show, there were empty decks on the Japanese carriers during much of the battle. A few CAP fighters were landed, refueled, and rearmed, but the large majority of the planes were in the hangers. This was actually much worse for the Japanese during the battle as their hangers were enclosed metal boxes that had fully fueled and armed planes in them that were ready to blow if hit by bomb damage. This is exactly what happened and there was no way for the Japanese to jettison the planes to save the ship.

[@MotionMcAnixx]

Fascinating stuff!

[@ZenosWarbirds]

Steve - Check out more videos on my channel. There's plenty more where this one came from. Zeno

[@MrJfk1943]

Been There, great video Thank you

[@madhungarian3024]

What's that strange-looking plane at 21:07 ? I thought it might be a Corsair at first, but the nose doesn't seem long enough, and it doesn't have the gull wings, and the cockpit is too far forward. Any ideas? Or am i just imagining things, and it's really a Wildcat?

[@toowoombacorgi6358]

Grumman Wildcat. The front wheel tucked under the fuselage is the giveaway, as are the folding wings. The Corsair wings folded up, like two hands meeting in prayer.

[@jockellis]

Any idea what carrier this was? Appears that numbers painted over at bow and stern. My father was with Air Group 81 on CV18, the Wasp. But that was later than this, 1944-45.

[@rodneylincoln3290]

USS Nassau CVE-16. One of the FM-1's landing in the film has a decal sheet made of it. Squadron is VC-33 & the aircraft is #S-31 www.mn-modelar.cz/cz-detail-902042878-1-72-grumman-f4f-4-wildcat-f4f-4-in-the-service-of-the-us-navy.html

[@davidcroft9320]

No CAP movement was shown, when does that happen?

[@darrylkenes7424]

What are the white boxes being put in the aircraft?

[@danielwallace8434]

Those are ammunition "Trays". They hold the machine gun ammo for the airplane. Regardless of what the ammo state was, unless the guns weren't fired, they'd replace the tray and the plane could relaunch. That way the tray would be reloaded correctly below decks and ready for another airplane. They were interchangeable. It was an advancement of the newer fighters so that they could be refueled and rearmed very quickly.

[@darrylkenes7424]

Daniel Wallace Thanks. I’ve never seen this modular ammunition . I scratch build 1/96 and 1/100 scale US naval carrier aircraft in numerous positions above and below deck. I’m going to incorporate these trays in my next round. Again thanks. DK

[@3-DtimeCosmology]

Awesome!

[@shiddy.]

very good

[@ulise89]

it was very difficult for a pilot landing on the carrier in the world war 2.

[@cf6282]

ulisse Pavalache It still requires a lot of training these days as the planes have become bigger and faster.

[@richardscott737]

Can anyone tell me what "spot" means please?

[@uncajim1]

Putting the aircraft on the exact spot where it is supposed to be.

[@richardscott737]

@@uncajim1 LOL Of course! Many thanks Sir!

[@joelmartin2549]

Is this at battle speed?

[@cloudshe]

i believe so. any faster and you're running into each other, any slower and the next guy gets waved off

[@ZenosWarbirds]

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[@relathan1]

Any of you Old Salts know if this would be an escort carrier rather than a fleet carrier?

[@atramentar1883]

Not an old salt, but the small size of the flight deck and the small island superstructure point to an escort carrier.

[@chuckschillingvideos]

Definitely an escort carrier.

[@stevevernon1978]

someone said it's CVE-16 USS Nassau in Sept 43 near San Diego

[@samiam5557]

My Dad served on CVEs in WW2.

[@nigelmitchell351]

My old Dad was 1834 squadron Corsairs, on the carrier nobody's heard of USS Robin.?

[@robertdendooven7258]

USS Robin = HMS Victorious in 1943 around the Solomon Islands working with the USS Saratoga.

[@nigelmitchell351]

@@robertdendooven7258 Correct sir, not many Americans know or even acknowledge the British naval effort in assisting the US in defeating the Japanese in the Pacific. Only One Royal navy ship was allowed at the surrender.

[@robertdendooven7258]

@@nigelmitchell351 It wasn't until the invasion of Italy and the opening of the Mediterranean Sea along with enough escort carriers to protect Atlantic convoys that the Royal Navy could think about moving their carriers to the Far East and the Pacific. Even then, some were held at home in order to prevent the Tirpitz from leaving Norwegian coastal waters and threaten any Russian-bound convoys. The Pacific was a challenge for the Royal Navy too in regards to logistics which wasn't as necessary in the smaller North Atlantic and Mediterranean waters near to shore bases. It didn't help that the US Navy's Admiral King (COMINCH) didn't like the British. I wonder if anyone would make a movie on the exploits of the British Pacific Fleet's contribution to the war effort in 1945?

[@xx1352]

WW2...civilization's Zenith of industrial manufacturing.

[@Smittyschannel]

That's an awful lot of work, arranging them & parking them up front, to late move them to the back

[@spinum73]

Survived countless kamikaze attacks , died from asbestos exposure

[@akulkis]

As long as he didn't inhale broken fibers, he would be ok. In fact, those guys would have only put the asbestos suit on several hundred times at most. That's TOTALY different from say, mining asbestos, or doing brake jobs where you are constantly exposed to dust-size particles o the stuff floating in the air. That was a low-ranking position, held by E1-E3 pay grades. He has a far greater chance of being lost overboard, even in peacetime, than of getitng mesothelioma. The real danger for mesothelioma is among asbestos miners, and anybody who has to remove asbestos from "permanent installations" (air duct insulation, for example), and auto mechanics when the primary material in pads was asbestos.

[@dalemartell8639]

No safety at all. Wonder how many were lost walking into props.

[@bruh_moment8734]

blackzed It’s a bit scary when you come to think of it, one small malfunction and your body can be tore up. Now it’s much safer with jets, but quite a few have been sucked up into the engine intakes.

[@LuisLopez-zh9kh]

The crew has just as much balls as any other army or marine grunt carrying a Garand in any other theater of the war at that point. How come we overlook that?

[@kevinanderson2249]

I suspect that this was shot on board the USS Wolverine in the Great Lakes. The feel of the deck crews seems more training than not. The planes appear kinda worn w/ slap-dash markings. It's also really small unless it's a CVE. The Navy had time to let the film crews stage a number of shots, unlikely on a ship at sea/war. And that final shot of the carrier sailing off matches the profile of the Wolverine, if the parked that crane aft of the island.

[@deadendfriends1975]

Completely agree. These are early war marked F4Fs with training marks.

[@kevinanderson2249]

Kevin Taylor I'm less positive that the ship is the Wolverine after some more research. Neither the Wolverine or Sable had elevators. So I'm thinking now it was an escort carrier. However, I don't discount the probability (?) that principle photography was done on the training carrier and b-roll from an escort carrier was edited in to get that elevator shot in.

[@dannyseo6759]

Did Wolverine have antiaircraft guns?

[@nonna_sof5889]

I think it might be the USS Chenango during her brief time as a trainer during 43'. Not sure though. The island is a bit tall and there's something sticking up aft of the island that doesn't seem right. www.navsource.org/archives/03idx.htm has pictures of a lot of WW2 CVEs if anyone wants to do some homework and find a better match.

[@kennhi2008]

I think this is either the USS Wolverine or its sister ship USS Sable, Both were training carriers based at the Navy Pier in Chicago.

[@michaelengle9062]

ya ever notice that every video or show from this era, the guys always have the same midwest accent? great vid though.

[@Nghilifa]

Probably the same narrator.

[@unapro3]

Holy shit batman, these guys would be fitter than an Olympic runner by the end of the war.

[@alive_twicedead_once34]

12:03 You know the guy in the asbestos suit didn't live very long.

[@akulkis]

As long as he didn't inhale broken fibers, he would be ok. In fact, those guys would have only put them on several hundred times at most. That's TOTALY different from say, mining asbestos, or doing brake jobs where you are constantly exposed to dust-size particles o the stuff floating in the air. I'm sure he never had mesothelioma problems.

[@bigbob1699]

He can't buy a beer .

[@tomthx5804]

I wonder about the people who watched this and all they can say is something about the asbestos suit. What did you want them to do, die in a fire?

[@bigbob1699]

@@tomthx5804 We are thankful for the guts the guys in the "fire proof suits" . They only have a very short time to pull the crewmen out before they are toast also.

[@robertelmo7736]

Poor guy at 2:20 That's a full asbestos suit.

[@akulkis]

Not as dangerous as you think. As long as theres no broken fibers to inhale, he's ok. The danger is when you're modifying part of ship that involves removing asbestos (say re-routing a duct, or changing the bulkheads around a duct.... or areas used to insulate the boilers from the deck.... or guys who replace brake pads.... or mining the stuff or manufacturing with it. There actually are a lot of SAFE uses for asbestos, but we don't use any of them any more because we have set up the law to protect the idiots who should have died in childhood anyways.

[@martinsoublette95]

21:26

[@jett_phil]

That wasn't scripted that sailor really did just fall to his death. Real improv right there.

[@NAWAWC]

1:51

[@LCMNUNES1962]

BRASIL OK

[@garypugh1153]

Bugle guy sounded like the civil war 😎

[@SathishSathish-yv8qh]

Carrier aviation in its childhood days. And American's i have to say this, Time and again I am amused of your MANAGERIAL DISCIPLINE.

[@akulkis]

Carrier aviation's childhood days were 1917-18 in the British Navy hosting Japanese aircraft and pilots to bomb German territories inside China (confused yet)? U.S. carrier aviation's childhood was in the 1920's, with bi-planes and still no arrestor cables or arrestor net at the end.

[@UncleFester84]

I'll keep wondering if that crash was staged...

[@mikebrown1926]

Absolutely not. The navy would never have damaged an operational aircraft for the sake of a film. Having served aboard aircraft carriers, I can assure you that there are enough real accidents on film that none have to be staged.

[@stevepowsinger733]

They had a lot of accidents. One was a guy getting caught by the arrestor cables. The worst was walking into a propellor.

[@dant.3505]

Then there was this one guy who walked into the elevator shaft on deck. What a goofball! I believe his name was Snafu.

[@billhuber2964]

That pilot who ignored that wave off is in for one butt chewing. The Los is responsible for those air crews lives.

[@johnrobinson3852]

Chock men move in....love it

[@accousticdecay]

I'd be the guy who got a fat lip from the wing crank!

[@BanjaranBandung-ns2jd]

21:29 lol the aircraft carrier crew is fall down 🤣🤣

[@野良犬撮影隊二大隊四]

めっちゃ合理的かつ先進的！

[@joeguzman3558]

My stepfather was a WW2 pilot and he told me the scariest thing was landing at knight

[@ChernobylPizza]

Asbestos suit? Damn that's pretty sad. Reminds you how many of these guys died of asbestos-related illness even if they survived the war

[@GymChess]

Yet pilots lived, and lives, to tell the story to this day.

[@lonfas2]

ChernobylPizza yep, my uncle- rip.

[@ttraderjim]

Oh SHUTUP!

[@Mishn0]

Once the asbestos is made up into the fabric of the suit it's pretty safe. It's the people who mined it and made the suit that were at risk, not the end users.

[@johndevlin]

ChernobylPizza You have to inhale the fibres to get cancer, so as long as they stay contained, it’s not dangerous. In any event, exposure to asbestos just increases the risk of cancer; it doesn’t guarantee you’ll get the disease. Definitely I’d rather wear an asbestos suit than get burning aviation fuel on bare skin.

[@jcfireman2215]

Asbestos suits...yep safety gear of the time.

[@robertelmo7736]

4 old Japanese guys disliked this video lol..

[@oldbaldfatman2766]

And now there's 2 more.

[@ab-ew6ee]

To Robert Elmo: I used to tutor English in Hong Kong. When I told my adult Japanese student about the atrocities that their Army did in the Philippines, including sticking a garden hose into my uncle's mouth (he was a Lieutenant in the Philippine Army) and turning the water on until he died of drowning.......my adult Japanese student never showed up for my class after that.