Flight Sim Controls - Honeycomb vs Logitech - Head to Head with MSFS

[@BB_MMX1]

I'm so glad your video came across my feed. I'm becoming a big fan of sim games. Immersion is everything to me. I felt your passion and positive vibe. Nice vid.

[@MrDlt123]

I bought a full Logitech flight sim setup to use at home prior to completing my PPL in 2011. No, its not model realistic, but it allowed me to practice my techniques at home. I would say it definitely helped.

[@LeighAndRaymond]

Thank you for sharing your experience! I've been sidelined by a back injury for quite a while but I'm looking forward to getting back to my beloved flight sim desk!

[@gregs9492]

I have and use a Honeycomb setup, both the Alpha and the Bravo. I love them. I purchased the Honeycomb over the Logitech (Saitek) after checking a bunch of reviews and largely for the full 180* range of the Honeycomb. Since I'm on PC, I already had pedals (I also have a HOTAS setup for when I fly combat flight sims), and have since added a DIY touch screen. Works Great.

[@quantumjim45]

Very nice comparison! I flew the Logitech yoke when I started flight-simming. The VERY BIG point that you make is about the 'ratcheting' as you pull the yoke in and out to climb/descend or accellerate/decelerate. Not a problem for just 'flying around', but a big problem for precise flying and it makes smooth landings VERY difficult to accomplish. Honeycomb yoke solved all this for me. On the Honeycomb throttle quadrant, the free-turning large trim wheel was a big deal for me. I can understand wanting to have some physical modules that are similar to an actual C172 - so nice that the L modules can be used while also using the Honeycomb - although likely requiring a USB hub.

[@voongnz]

Flight sim in VR is something I've wanted to get into after getting into sim racing in VR. Immersion is the greatest.

[@Aphorism89]

I don´t think it works that well in flight sim. Surely, immersion will be great, but in flight sim you rely a lot on switches here and there... there is nothing worse than using the switches from the monitor. Having physical switches is far more immersive and gives you more control. In sim racing, the buttons you need are always on the steering wheels so, even if you can´t see them, it is easy to still hit them. This is my hard stop for VR in flight sim. Now, for a glider flight... VR must be dope AF :)

[@MexiChriS]

I used to study your photos and video uploads like crazy in college. It's been so long. Now I'm into aviation and wanting a sim rig, only to find you into this too, amazing!! I really hope all is well and you feel better sooner. Thanks for the amazing content. That always brought joy and inspiration to me 🙌

[@davepecoraro4422]

Raymond- I would be interested in seeing how VR compares to Tobii5 Head and eye tracker in your opinion. I just bought the Tobii but have never used VR. Just an idea. Thx.

[@brin57]

Having used both, there is absolutely no comparison. Unfortunately it is impossible to explain the VR sensation. The only thing they have in common is that you see where you look. You have to experience VR fist hand. But before you seek out an opportunity to try it, be aware that once you open the door, it's hard to go back.

[@alma175w]

Great to see you two back on the screen together. It has been a while since I’ve used a full flight simulator, cannot imagine the freedom that a full system like you’re building provides - this looks incredible.

[@billlyl3725]

When my photo and flight obsessional interests collide in one KZbin video!

[@spamllama]

Great to see Leigh looking so healthy.

[@bneil4059]

When I was training for my pilot license the PC sim and controls were very helpful. I was having difficulties with my landings and what helped me master the maneuvers was getting into RC airplanes. The 3rd person 3D perspective was what I needed to drive the concepts home and perfect my forward slips and pattern work. I’ve heard RC pilots transition to real flying better than real pilots to RC. When it was all said and done, I’m glad I got the certification, but what I learned is GA is too dangerous even for the most experienced (Richard McSpadden); I don’t think I’ll ever go up again.

[@CockpitScenes]

I hear you. After 23,000 hours in mostly heavy jet transport aircraft, I will never fly in a small airplane again. I have used up all my luck.

[@flightsimdeskuk]

I also think GA is too risky. I am perfectly happy to stick with flight simming.

[@plokkum]

12:08 I skipped to this part and thought you were talking about something else.

[@adion24]

Turtle Beach makes some rudder pedals that are ridiculously great. Decent tension, adjustable width, and you can swap out airliner and GA style pedals.

[@redbelliedgaming]

Thanks for sharing. Looking at getting into flight simulator and building a sim rig to go with my American truck simulator rig i am building. Excited to give one of these a try

[@nickfury431]

Been a pilot for some years now, but I also started out on flight Sim and it’s a great way to go. It helps on the cost of actual flying time. Also, I have been to Sportys a number of times and it’s like kid in a candy shop time.

[@topofthegreen]

Welcome to the new addiction. I have the Honeycomb setup and absolutely love it!

[@stefanocioce7393]

Nice! Can someone share me which monitor this is behind on the right?

[@SinCityAMG]

Have you considered doing a comparison with the Turtle Beach VelocityOne? Price-wise, it is right between the two.

[@merkury06]

Great review! Wishing Leigh all the best!

[@paulsleighty]

It's a real shame that when logitech took over saitek that the Saitek Cessna yoke was discontinued as my saitek Cessna yoke as 180 degree rotation and although it still doesn't feel as nice as the honeycomb yoke its certainly a better yoke than the one logitech offer now.

[@ohkaygoplay]

You won me with your sense of humor, “two teenagers in the house….plus Raymond.” I’m starting ground school, and MFS, so I’m looking into what would be best for a beginner with no budget. :) I come from a cinematography background, so I understand the ‘buttons everywhere’ thing. Love the use of gaffers tape.

[@PeterNGloor]

Nice job! Did you do a vid on the throttle quadrant as well?

[@stevepoland1406]

Okay, I've always loved your channel with all the photography stuff but now I'm abscessed with you including flight sim information. I've been around aviation (communications side) most of my life and always wanted to fly as a pilot. Now I have renewed interest in it since retirement from the sim side. Leigh, awesome to see you back, Raymond great job in holding down the fort while she continues to recover and I can't wait to see more.

[@LeighAndRaymond]

I'm glad you like the aviation content! :)

[@hobiegal]

I have the Logitech setup and am quite happy with it, especially for the price. I could not afford the Honeycomb setup so went with Logitech, figuring I might be disappointed. I’m not a real pilot so I don’t need extreme realism and $169 (Amazon) for Logitech yoke and throttle is a whole different ball game than $560 ($280 each for Honeycomb yoke and throttle. If my Logitech breaks I may consider a Honeycomb but for now I’m perfectly happy. I enjoyed your video but do think price should have been mentioned for a fair comparison.

[@tommacbride3654]

Great show! Never saw th pieces parts before , eye opener. Sorry about ur back, there are no problems like your own problems. Feel better Cheers!

[@larrybremer4930]

I have the full Logitech pro flight setup with yoke, extra throttle quadrant, pedals, switch panel, radio panel, fms/ap panel, an 8 gauges on a 49" ultrawide. For Non VR setup it is hard to beat. For VR I prefer to completely do away with physical controls but I would agree that for those that still want those physical controls I would go with the simplest stick or yoke. I wish Microsoft had done the control method that X plane 11 adopted where you can dock and undock your wand controller to the yoke that allows you to fly using gestures (imagine a child playing with a toy plane holding it while he fly's it around and you will get the idea) because it is very hard to continuously pick up and put down wands and with outside in tracking a desk and physical yoke become pretty problematic for wand tracking keeping line of sight with lighthouses. Lastly no matter what I do I cannot seem to get a readable cockpit in VR so that has mostly kept me from using it.

[@ChristopherPalmer-tc4ys]

So I am a pilot and I use a sim as well. It looks to me like the control inputs are more drastic with the Logitech than the Honeycomb. I think you guys have talked me into the Honeycomb. Nice video thanks.

[@ADVJason]

I have the Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo.... I am still hopeful that Honeycomb does release the Bravo. But I need some pedals so I can fly and learn so I hope to get something decent soon and maybe the Charlies later... or maybe something else nice.

[@grahamtricker4103]

Great to see you back Leigh! 👍

[@CockpitScenes]

Funny how you talked about looking at the far end of the runway when landing. You hear that said all the time. Bad advice. At least it doesn't work for me. I look in the general area of the expected touchdown. After 23,000 hours and 36 years flying numerous jet transports, it always worked for me. If I tried to look at the far end of the runway, I would crash for sure!

[@davepecoraro4422]

I enjoyed the flight control comparison. I sent an email but based on your counsel I went ahead and bought a Loupedeck CT, a Logitech radio panel, and a Tobii5 head tracker. This will go alongside my current Honeycomb Alpha Yoke and Bravo throttle, and Logitech rudder pedals. I have plenty of buttons and knobs to play with now. Keep up the flight sim education and of course the photography. Thanks Leigh and Raymond.

[@LeighAndRaymond]

That's awesome! I hope you enjoy it all!

[@ricknicholson5894]

Okay, a suggested flight for you in your favourite Cessna. Take off from the airport in Comox BC, fly down Jervis Inlet to the waterfalls, pop up and fly into Desolation Sound, fly down Toba Inlet, then pop up and head towards the Broughton archipelagoes, then head down Bute Inlet and pop up to fly further north. If you are low on fuel, you head towards Port McNeill and fuel up (full service) then fly around the Broughton area more before heading back to your take off point - Comox. PS: look for whales and Orcas when you are flying over the ocean parts.

[@videofullydone]

Great comparison, thank you. I just saw today that the mixed reality capability of Somnium's VR1 is very good and using Honeycomb's smaller form factor may be advantageous in that regard. Curious on your thought. Thank you in advance and God bless you both. 🙂

[@troygroff4512]

Can I ask if you have flown a real airplane? Or been in a real simulator? To really give a comparison. Thanks!

[@TF242]

Unless you missed it, Logitech software isn't supported out of the box in MS2020 for some of the gear. The throttle sure but the others require 3rd party software. Great comparison otherwise.

[@drewjenn9819]

Does this work on a mac desktop?

[@Leoholmes]

My Honeycomb stopped working with MSFS, it's once worked perfectly. It still works fine with Xplane. MS has responded, acknowledging that they know about issues in the Bravo throttle but are not yet fixing them. I'm pretty disappointed, as the bravo once worked great!!

[@sterlingtardie]

What about dead zones on the newer Logitech? The old one had a dead zone that made precision flying impossible. I look forward to the Honeycomb rudder pedals and the upcoming Honeycomb Delta screens. Incidentally, I just retired my Saitek (Logitech bought them out) yoke after 17 years of use. I now have a Honeycomb Alpha yoke and a USB Logitech throttle with Saitek rudder pedals (those are still working well). I would like to go full Honeycomb in the future or 3D print a honeycomb replica.

[@lucabagnaresi8368]

Thank you for this video, but you should have considered also the different price. I would expect that something that costs 3x something else is better overall, better quality, better details and better feeling. The real unanswered question is: does that huge price gap worth the buy? Which are the worst cons to accept if you buy the cheaper Logitech?

[@mrhooke_gamer4077]

Good to see you guys back up and running. I am Logitech and CH products guy.

[@JabariHunt]

Thanks for the review!

[@mikecoffee100]

I baught the Honeycomb Yoke and Logitech rudder peddles and two logitech throttle quadrants to save some money and the rest of the money went into building the computer etc.

[@ryanbaker2623]

Funny thing, I just got back into photography, buying a new mirrorless body and three fast lenses and I also just found your channel a couple weeks ago. And I also just got bit by the flight sim bug and have just built a new PC and am downloading MSFS this very moment. And the very last strange coincidence is this: I ALSO LIVE IN FLAGSTAFF!

[@saptak]

I am thinking of upgrading my flight sim setup from Xbox to Windows. Do you have a recommendation for a PC?

[@petematthews9346]

Great video. Your comments re the Honeycomb match my feelings quite closely. Here's my history and throughts (I tend to ramble, so apologies!). I went from CHProducts Flight Sim Yoke then to their Eclipse Yoke some years ago, soon thereafter adding their throttle quadrant and rudder pedals. They served for years. Rugged and reliable. Just after it became available I purchased the Honeycomb Alpha Yoke and loved it. The stiff spring action in pitch made fine control on landings much better and I finally learned how to use pitch trim well. The full motion roll was also interesting. The feel of fine control was there. At its price point, the Honeycomb Throttle is without peer. I think you have go an extra $1000 to get true improvement. As soon as I could, I ordered then received the Bravo Throttle Quadrant. I'm a generalist by nature and have never had an interest in building a cockpit and thus locking myself into a single aircraft model. So, I love the flexibility of the set up the quadrant. I've purchased Flight Sim Factory's Boeing 737 Pro Throttle and Airbus A320 Throttle Lever sets as well.. I also have a set of handles for the Cessna 208C Grand Caravan. The fact that the Bravo gives me that flexibility to customize to particular airliners is a definite plus for me (The Charlie rudder pedals are on order and those CHP pedals soldier on! Very excited to see how they feel. I've resisted replacing the CHP pedals since their function is basic, they are solid an reliable. I've just not felt the need for customization.)

[@richavery66]

I use the Honeycomb yoke and throttle quadrant. I had the Logitech versions but decided not to replace them when I needed a new setup. I found that the connection between the Logitech yoke & TQ was sometimes temperamental, meaning that when I needed to throttle up (e.g. on a go around), sometimes the hardware wouldn't send the signal through to the sim. I thought that having the TQ plug into the yoke without using a USB socket was a good idea when I bought them together; however, I needed to replace both when my yoke broke as the TQ was useless without being able to plug it into the yoke. I would recommend anyone buying a Logitech system, to buy the TQ and yoke separately, ensuring the TQ comes with a USB plug which can be used with a different yoke in the future if needs be. (I decided not to replace the Logitech yoke with another Logitech because of the ratcheting which you mentioned in the video. In fact, the ratcheting made small, precise inputs so difficult, I tried to fix it - hence my yoke breaking!) Overall, I'm extremely happy with my system now and would recommend the Honeycomb products over the Logitech due to their superior build quality, the 180° yoke travel, the smoothness of the yoke and TQ levers, the dust inserts on the TQ, and the overall immersion I get when simming compared with the Logitech.

[@psour33]

No you don't need, you just wanted to change and buy a new setup like me 🤣

[@richavery66]

@@psour33 🤣

[@mercster]

I have the Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo... I think the Logitech Multi-Panel is still better than the AP stuff on the Bravo. They're kinda tucked away behind the levers, and aren't of the same quality as the Multi-Panel. So, yeah it's redundant, but much easier to reach and more satisfying to use. And with the Radio panel... well, there's no equivalent on the Honeycomb stuff. So while I agree the Honeycomb yoke/throttle are far better than Logitech alternatives, the panels are still worth investing in.

[@Rob_F8F]

Love the flight sim content!

[@hobiegal]

You didn’t mention the biggest consideration-price. The Honeycomb is far more expensive than the Logitech, especially if you don’t include the separate control panels. The Logitech yoke and throttle is less than $200, while Honeycomb yoke and throttle is over $600. That’s a huge difference for someone on a budget, or starting their sim journey and not sure whether it’s really something they’ll stick with.

[@squidwaan]

Great video!!

[@archivist17]

Thanks for the review! I'd love to get a full set up, but it's not on the horizon just yet. I still find the video interesting, and I wonder what does go on in Raymond's World 😄

[@ElGrecoDaGeek]

So I'm looking for some better controls to replace by HOTAS when I'm looking to fly general aviation and other aircraft vs. Jets/helis and I came across this video immediately recognizing you from all your Nikon gear videos. So sorry to hear about your back injury. If you're looking for some really good rudder pedals I highly recommend the MFG Crosswinds. I got mine after flying helicopters in DCS and ARMA 3 using the joystick Z axis. I learned of them years before I invested care of a number of reviews in the ARMA and DCS, FS community. They work fabulously for GA and helicopters.

[@YaHashaWha]

These are all good choices but you can't beat the more expensive ones made of metal and not plastic for the real feeling. But if you are just getting started and on a budget the honeycomb is the way to go.

[@ludrigosanchezjr.3182]

I thought I was seeing things. I’m actually an airline pilot but I have been following you for photography for a few years now so needless to say I thought my channels were mixed up lol.

[@MikeInExile]

0:45 Looks like there are _four_ teenagers in the house! 🤣

[@martinmengh]

too many and frequent cuts back and forth; just show the products, and maybe show face during beginning and end ...

[@slarti42uk]

Impulse control problems?? No idea what you mean... ...goes to buy Honeycomb setup for VR flight 😂 Great video, I have just received a flying lesson from my wife for my birthday and it's reignited my desire for a full SIM setup, and maybe a licence down the road. I've only flown once before but it took me months to get my head out the sky. I'll be following this with great interest.

[@LeighAndRaymond]

Ha! I hope you enjoy the Honeycomb setup. Flying in VR is wild!

[@DrCJSmith]

WTH? You guys are into flight sims as well? Was a pleasant surprise when I saw your channel pop up when I did a KZbin search for MSFS.

[@punkrachmaninoff]

Omg I am here for this.

[@michaelcollins6387]

Just wondering if you have a preference for Flight Simulator vs X Plane? And Leigh it's great to see you getting back on your feet! 😊

[@flightsimdeskuk]

I had the logitech yoke and throttle. It felt like a plastic toy. The Honeycomb controls feel far, far superior. I also had the logitech pedals and hated them. It lacked smoothness and control. I use Virpil pedals now.

[@gameshoes]

While you get your fixed wing license, you should get a hot air balloon pilot license too! It’s only 10 hours versus the… 40(?) for fixed wing.

[@LeighAndRaymond]

I don’t know why flying a hot air balloon scares me so much more than a plane but it does!

[@gameshoes]

@@LeighAndRaymond just pretend you're always flying with a giant parachute... And acknowledge that every landing is technically a crash landing. 🤪 Oh, and it's the only aircraft that can touch other aircraft like itself midflight without catastrophic consequences.

[@AquaStevae]

Honeycomb could use a bit of real world logic here, and make the commercial aircraft parts optional, for a slightly more premium price, and then allow those who don't have any interest in flying commercial jets, purchase the package a bit cheaper. This isn't rocket science, and one of my biggest gripes against Honeycomb.

[@rmm9676]

What about the annoying center detent on the Saitek elevator throw? In the real world, elevator shaft movement is smooth from full nose down to full nose up. The Saitek has a very pronounced "Thunk" in the elevator shaft movement which is accompanied by a fast drop forward (nose down) as you go into the detent and a hard pull needed to get back out or a hard push to move on to the other side of the indent. This is a serious problem that makes fine controls for landing almost impossible. Failing to address this issue leaves me wondering. There are dozens of videos on the needed modification to fix this problem. The Saitek detent issue is something the similarly priced CH Eclipse Yoke and the Honeycomb do not have. Honestly surprised to see you take time to promote the Saitek yoke. I would call that a disservice to the flight sim community. I have a $1,000 YOKO yoke that is pretty much matched by the budget minded Honeycomb yoke. That is according to my CFI.

[@jake7672]

One step to another, go get your wings!

[@mattiasrask1575]

Augmented reality flight simulator is the best. Am building a simpit JAS 39C gripen for DCS

[@DarkAndVelvetNights]

Thustmaster on top !!

[@jeffreyblank7087]

Try dcs world if you want a real experience

[@libertarianredpilled5932]

I dont think the honeycomb pedals ever came

[@michalpetrilak3976]

They are now commonly available.

[@lescobrandon3047]

Get well, young lady.

[@LeighAndRaymond]

Thank you!

[@sijilo]

👍🏻

[@elmalloc]

how did you marry someone so beautiful

[@tripodcatz5532]

Well, heck, if the Honeycomb yoke is so good, why would Sporty's need to give you a free one to endorse under the thinly-veiled guise of an objective 'review'? And, let's just be real here: Sporty's PAID you to make this video. A well-made product sells itself and doesn't need artificial advertising. And, God forbid, should anyone choose to make an objective review in the future, qualify your conclusions scientifically. Take the product apart and see how well it's made internally; made a controlled test against against the Logitech yoke to support your findings.