FLIGHT SIMULATOR 2020 WILL KILL X-PLANE!............. or will it?

[@FSXNOOB]

FS2020 will kill everything, + my marriage

[@KiwiMace]

Hahahaha!!!

[@FlightSim2024]

Looool

[@tps565]

HAHAHA TRUE!!!

[@builtbrickstudios8256]

@@FlightSim2024 Hey Flight sim! 😃

[@FlightSim2024]

@@builtbrickstudios8256 hey bud, how are you? 😃

[@jag1963]

Id rather have 300 square miles of this and 6 aircraft than the whole planet of xplane or p3d and the hundreds of aircraft i have now. I will drop P3d like a stone when this comes out and ive got almost every Orbx product ever made.

[@KiwiMace]

Fair enough. The visuals are definitely appealing in FS2020 for sure. Thanks for watching :)

[@widerfov]

I'm in your boat... small fortune spent on AC and Orbx... but if FS20 is as good as they say, I'll be building a new rig just for this and abandoning P3D and XP when a few choice utilities are brought over to FS20 such as "reason to fly" add-ons.

[@ellonysman]

Jaggy sad but that’s progress right? This is so advanced how could we not move over to msf2020? No more Orbx, no weather software....win win situation👍👏🏻🚁🛸🥂

[@bigmanmegee]

Now we know that if you get the regular *you get 20 planes* and the most expensive version has *30* planes

[@barnaby5609]

The alpha is out, and they didnt lie. The graphics, physics, and everything else is true to the intros.

[@Mika-he9xi]

Hi there, I enjoyed your video and thank you for making it but I strongly disagree on every point you made: - Specs: MSFS is in pre-alpha and it is already playable at 60 fps in 4k... The hardware used was a 2080i and an i7 but optimisation has not even began. I currently use XP11 with my i5 and gtx960 and if I use XEnviro 1.10, the only addon featuring real volumetric clouds, my fps will go down to 10 -15 fps. Another important aspect, Xbox has announced 3 days ago that Cloud computing (XCloud) on PC will be coming in 2020, wich probably means MSFS will be playable with max graphics on any connected device if your bandwith is fairly good, so no need to buy expensive hardware. - Investment in current platform: This not an argument for me. I started with FSX and a TON of addons. Believe me I am not rich man but I jumped at Flight Sim World as it was a clear advanced sim in comparaison and then at XP11 which had a great amount of free addons. So basically, I ended up with a better sim for no much more money invested so I am the one winning at the end. And guess what, this will be exactly the case with MSFS . All you see is default, so I will be able to enjoy an experience I didn't even dreamed of with XP11. Sticking with XP11 is for me being stubborn and I will lose a lot with this attitude. Lack of content: First, we don't know that, we will see. More than 65 3rd parties are already on board and making content. I don't know what you expect but we won't need any regional scenery, any weather addon, the default planes are remarkable, and some default airports are payware quality (Courchevel) , the rest will come soon, maybe even on day one. Brand Loyalty: What can I say, the people thinking this way will soon enough see gameplay videos on the internet as soon as MSFS is released and even before (beta). The images will speak for themself and I think very few of them will truly stick with their current sim. That's simply not in their interest. Development: This will take time, nobody has the kind of ressources Microsoft has. Time will tell but no one can say for sure the other sims will be able one day to compete.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks Mika for taking the time to comment. The video was posted to generate discussion and I am very interested in different points of view. You make some valid points and time will tell what ends up happening.

[@ianmac93]

Absolutely spot on. and this will run on the xbox scarlett which for me translates to a medium spec pc.

[@ChrisVirgilio]

Assuming that addons won’t be needed is foolish, to say the least. People were saying the same thing when auto gen was introduced to MSFS back in the day and look where we are now. There will ALWAYS be room for innovation and improvement on top of a base product. The people will always push the envelope, because that’s what the community does.

[@Mika-he9xi]

@@ChrisVirgilio I talked about regional sceneries and weather addons only, read carefully

[@ChrisVirgilio]

Mika there will be people who point out shortcomings in even the default cloud textures and drive to push them forward. It’s how the community works, man. Everything isn’t going to suddenly change just because Microsoft brings in their big bad servers. You do realize this won’t be the final version of flight simulation ever, right?

[@JohnnyForehead]

I love X-pane, but damn, I'll sell my sister if I have to.

[@KiwiMace]

lol!!

[@TrueBlade-1889]

If that's her in your avatar, I'll buy her. (Just a joke ! No trafficking here.... !)

[@ZixPlays]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@canconservative8976]

all that matters is FRAMES PER SECOND........ X Plane needs to wake up in that department, and fast...

[@KiwiMace]

I've found FPS in X-Plane pretty good but as always there are so many factors that contribute to that aspect. Thanks for watching :)

[@caribbaviator7058]

you mean the flight physics austin spends a lot of his time on the flight model

[@ooo_Kim_Chi_ooo]

Xplane has woke up. They have recodded all of Xplane to support Vulkan and it will be out in the next release.

[@MichaelBrodie68]

I don't fully agree. FSX was always OK at 25 fps so long as it was smooth. With G-Sync, I could see myself settling for around 30fps. And I have an i7-9700k and a GTX 1080ti. Yes, 100 fps in a shooter, but flight simulations are inherently different.

[@ChrisVirgilio]

I get 35-50fps in XP11... don’t even have an 2080 card.

[@Johan-ez5wo]

If it delivers as advertised, P3D and XPLANE will be history.

[@KiwiMace]

Time will tell but yes it is looking pretty awesome that's for sure.

[@therealbautzfluencer]

@@KiwiMace At least in the long term. The others just won't have the resources to pull that off. Or they get bought by google to build some competition.

[@KiwiMace]

@@therealbautzfluencer Yeah Google has been mentioned a few times - it will really interesting to see what the response it. The task is formidable, particularly as you say with the resources of MS.

[@CaptBmckay]

Until MS abandons the community again after it's luster wears off. The company that MS hired to make this simulator, doesn't have a stellar track record of games. I'm looking forward to this, but I wouldn't say any of the other platforms are toast. We haven't seen or heard what P3d V5 or XP12 will bring...

[@acurisur]

@@CaptBmckay MS have already committed to this sim for at least a decade, your comment is no doubt based on the failure of Microsoft Flight (yawn), but this sim is completely different as it'll be the 1st one to also be released on consoles, hence the commitment as MSFS 2020 will be an Xbox Game Pass title. In order for Microsoft to keep attracting new subscribers to Game Pass they need to keep working on their Game Pass flagship games, of which MSFS2020 will be one of. As for P3D v5 and XP12, I would say those sims will be better than P3D v4 or XP11, but as for them being better than MSFS2020? Not a chance. Microsoft have a much bigger dev team and much deeper pockets than either Lockheed Martin or Laminar Research. It's not even remotely close in that aspect, which is why MSFS2020 is already so far ahead.

[@liambrown3942]

For me VR is a game changer in flight sims. I won't even think about switching from XP11 until MS announce it's going to happen. Sooner the better I hope

[@KiwiMace]

Fair enough. Thanks for watching and commenting :)

[@royladd6779]

I totally agree, till VR is available I will not considering switching or adding FS. VR is must have.

[@acurisur]

The dev team already announced that they're working on adding VR to the game, so I can tell straightaway that you've not been following the development of this sim properly and just made an uninformed comment instead

[@royladd6779]

@@acurisur wrong !!! I have been following the development,, I said TILL VR is available I will not consider switching or adding the sim. Being in development is not the same thing. My comment was a informed one based on the FACT VR is not available and is still in development,, I hope that is informative enough for you

[@jonvalor7633]

Roy Ladd baby

[@boikatsapiens499]

No new flight sim will kil any other flight sim. Each sim have their ardent fans, or other constraining factors, like not being able to afford new computers or upgrading their old one.

[@man_vs_life]

As a military flight simmer, I've had zero interest in general aviation simming until now. So X-Plane won't lose a customer but MS will definitely gain one. I hope X-Plane holds on but I can't see them growing when FS2020 appears to be so stunning not just with landscape graphics but just as notably with weather simulation. I just hope they create a realistic ATC.

[@KiwiMace]

Has any sim really nailed ATC? If FS20 can it will be a massive feat! Thanks for watching :)

[@man_vs_life]

@@KiwiMace A reason for hope is there envious combination of drive for realism, talent and available resources & tech, incl machine learning. Fingers crossed.

[@therealbautzfluencer]

@@KiwiMace ATC ... maybe with some AI they could do it. But so far we have not heard anything about it. Also possible that this is a later feature.

[@jonaskoch2314]

Thanks for bringing up the topic. Personally, I really like X-plane, so I am not going to switch. I just like the way x-plane works plus the community. Also the way laminar research does not seem to try to "steal" your money, like I feel the case is with P3d, every time a new update is released. I think that deserves some loyalty, so that x-plane can get even better in the future! That's just my totally subjective personal opinion.

[@KiwiMace]

Fair enough. Sharing opinions is what this video is all about :)

[@1littlelee]

except all the perople who are banned for saying downloaded planes dont work!

[@ZixPlays]

We all know that you going to switch lmao. STOP IT

[@jonaskoch2314]

@@ZixPlays I must admit, fs 2020 looks nice :)

[@ZixPlays]

@@jonaskoch2314 Indeed, i just cannot wait to try 😭

[@darnedghost2008]

Don´t forget that you can play both :)

[@KiwiMace]

Absolutely!

[@henson2k]

As a business X-Plane needs new customers and FS2020 will steal a lot of them. If you already bought X-Plane good for you but not that helpful for X-Plane to survive.

[@wingedlion17]

Laminar also makes money on the XPlane.org store and XPlane for Mac and Linux and XPlane mobile. I hope they hire more engineers and put together something competitive for XPlane 12 for PC

[@mirovida66]

But nobody will spend money on X-Plane once FS2020 is released. No money to X-Plane or for its addon developers.

[@hdaviator9181]

I think MS2020 will lower xplane sales over time so much that they will need to close shop or at least reduce what is already a small team. All of the things you mentioned are why people that already own xplane will continue to use it. But that doesn't keep Laminar Research in business. They need to generate sales.

[@KiwiMace]

Good point. Thanks for commenting :)

[@A5tr0101]

No shit, just the standard edition would cost you > $1000 in xplane for the same aircraft and visuals, the value is off the charts

[@submo8902]

FSX 2020 Will kill X-Plane 11 if our computers can run it no doubt. I'll say that.

[@KiwiMace]

That's the big question, thanks for watching :)

[@oc10121989]

my first "flight simulator" was the flight simulator 1996 by microsoft and we only dreamed of something like this back at the time (1996-1997)

[@WeirdWizardDave]

It's all going to come down to VR support for me. XPlane11 has fantastic VR with fully interactive motion controller support flight and operation. If Flight Sim 2020 doesn't have that then I'm not interested. If it does and the performance is reasonable (and it has helicopters) then I've no problems jumping ship to it. Certainly, the level of detail and accuracy in the world is a killer feature and one X Plane is going to have to find a way to match or they're in trouble long term.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for commenting. MSFS has indicated that VR is a high priority for them so you are likely to see that implemented sooner rather than later.

[@MichaelBrodie68]

The MSFS blog is emphasising improvements in the SDK and embracing 3rd party developers. PMDG is already developing exclusively for MSFS 2020.

[@KiwiMace]

Im really pleased to hear they are developing for the platform. Having realistic aircraft procedures and systems is imperative. Thanks for watching :)

[@paulscottrobson]

Microsoft said we would all be using Silverlight. Before that we were all going to be using Active X for Web Applications. Over and over and over again.

[@topaviator]

Well no matter what fs2020 will be the number 1 simulator in the market,x plane 11 cannot be for now

[@KiwiMace]

Yes I think when it launches FS20 will definitely be the most popular.

[@saturn28]

Awesome video and I agree 100% on all the points! Though one thing I would keep in mind is that at 2:55 you mention internet speed for the data-driven feed of scenery data. More than the speed, your internet bandwidth is what's more important. Basically, it represents the amount of data that can be packed into your internet stream.

[@KiwiMace]

That's a good point - that's what I really meant so thanks for the pick up. Speed still helpful

[@saturn28]

@@KiwiMace Indeed, you dont want it at a speed of turtle either :P

[@niklasohlsson5473]

The immersion could be much better. Thinking of a mission system like in FSX but when you fly an airliner, but you start off by entering the you work at the airport. You walk to the office and plan your flight, walks through the terminals to the gate. Where you have to do an outer inspection This would be cool =)

[@KiwiMace]

Sort of like the Sims except aviation version. You might be onto an idea there!

[@toasty9757]

To 1. Specs: what ever specs you have, msfs will look alot better than xplane with the same specs. Same for the internet connection. Even in offline mode it looks alot better than xplane and you still can download regions like with ortho4xp and they then are trailer quality so lightyears ahead of xplane. And weather etc doesnt depend on your internet so thats a huge advantage against xplane aswell. To 5: The problem is that Asobo/MS has so much more resources than LR, so it will be difficult for example to get the amount of live data that MS has. And sheer Manpower, the Asobo Team is like 200 peoples or something? Its gonna be extremely difficult for anyone to compete.

[@TrueBlade-1889]

Still waiting for alpha 1. Still. I'll believe it when I see it on my PC.

[@caribbaviator7058]

they must be waiting to recruit Tech Alpha 2

[@KiwiMace]

Yeah their last update says they are almost done recruiting for Tech Alpha 2

[@TrueBlade-1889]

Lols.... they'll have recruited for Beta 4 by the time we see Alpha friggin One. Fuck me !

[@MrPhantom453]

Unless you recently bought your PC from NASA, I'm sure you will be getting a solid 6 FPS max

[@acurisur]

@@TrueBlade-1889 Alpha 1 is already been flown by the people who got in. From your statement you clearly didn't.

[@jengle02]

I'll be curious how much of the aircraft actually functions. Projects like Zibo have been developing realism features for years. Hard to believe Microsoft would be able to catch up so fast; however, they do probably have more resources than Zibo does. I'd be curious to see how many switches I can click and how many functions like FMS pages are actually available.

[@KiwiMace]

It’s a good point. Judging by what I’ve seen in other areas of the sim this far I’m predicting aircraft will be pretty detailed. Thanks for watching:)

[@paizonryker7101]

1. People Upgrade continuously. 2. Investment in hardware can easily transfer to new OS platforms, considering its still a flight sim. 3. Content will come when Xplane was released what was the content for that? 4. Loyalist are a reality, but I bet the hold outs are tied to your #1 reason, people who cant afford to upgrade will be tied to the excuse of loyalty. 5. I bet Xplane is ALREADY developing their next sim... this is game-changing tech, Adapt or Die... like you said.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Agree X-Plane need to adapt.

[@MegaTraker]

The one thing that amaze me is that x-plane had a descent ATC platform even it was voice over words and they had can messages already for all sort of situations and this was on xplane9.70 I did used it often even cruising at altitude atc would call and give new correction because of incoming traffic today 10 or more years later they are going for the glory not the best of choices.

[@KiwiMace]

Yes ATC seems to be one of those ongoing things that never gets fully sorted. Thanks for commenting and watching :)

[@MegaTraker]

@@KiwiMace there must be someone able to have a look at the x plane 9.70 sim and go on the atc and perhaps duplicate the program and integrated to x plane today the v9 got the voice and all of what we are looking for while flying on a flight plan and if you get a emergency it possible to declare it and the atc will direct you to the closest field how is that for an old program???

[@NegdoshaManido]

Two letters: V. R. I am am not flying any sims that don't have it. If they can assure me they're going to add it within a reasonable amount of time, then I will go ahead and pick it up but, VR IS A MUST!! Also, I have some great X-Plane add ons (Boeing 727 and A320) that I will definitely need to have in FS 2020 for me to make the switch. Very happy to see this coming, though. It bodes well for us flight simmers!

[@KiwiMace]

Yes VR is definitely something important to a lot of people. I totally agree that it is exciting times, can't wait to play :)

[@jcbak]

All valid points and well presented. Regarding specs: there is no point in designing a flight sim for old hardware....and I own an old system. After seeing MSFS I'm saving my pennies for a new system. I don't think I"m unique. I was an FSX user and made the move to XP 10 because it was 64 bit...P3D was still 32 bit. I had spent a lot of money on FSX but took the view that I got my money's worth out of it and it was time to move on. I love XP but it wasn't given to me for free. I'm loyal to a point but will move in a heartbeat if MSFS lives up to its billing. Again, I got my money out of the add ons I purchased. My major criticism of XP is how tone deaf Austin Meyer is. In one of his videos he made the statement that there were thousands of aircraft for XP. He's out of touch with the community. Users of XP have been complaining about so many things that never get addressed; ground handling, weather engine, water, seasonal textures...it goes on. You have to go through a lot of work to get XP to look good and that is with the help of free plugins generously provided by the community, not XP. Look how long it took them to create a user friendly interface. That only happened because the CEO of Google met Austin and told him it was too complicated. Austin figured if it was too complicated for him it must be too complicated for the rest of the world. Austin is more concerned with the physics...the guy's a genius.....which is great but there is more to flight sim as you pointed out. I don't believe Laminar Research will have the resources to produce anything that can compete with MSFS in time. I would imagine that a large number of XP users migrated over from FSX and would be happy to return if the hype turns out to be close to reality. The XP team is supposed to hold a Q&A on the 19th. I'm VERY curious to see their reaction to MSFS. My prediction is that Austin will dismiss it as a toy as he has done in the past.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for commenting Jack. I think it would be dangerous for XP to dismiss this as a toy particularly with the resources Microsoft have - hopefully they will see it as a challenge and take it to the next level. It will be up to MS to deliver on what they are showing in the videos.

[@danhoven]

Pit builders and software/hardware for pit builders has dramatically increased since xp11. I've never made the switch from p3d to xp, though I do own it. My plethora of addons and VR needs have always made it the stronger sim (though I will gladly dump it all once MS gets a few updates later). If MS continues to lack support for custom peripherals the word will go out quickly to new pit builders as they look which platform is the best. That would be the only one I'd add to this list. The 1st one on PC specs has always been my thoughts on the main reason it will remain very popular but I think they'll mostly stay in competition with P3d since they've given FSX a great rebirth on their own in a relatively short period. Competing with MSFS-20 with their pocket book and resources is unlikely. As you said, very exciting times and competition is the driving force behind improvements.

[@KiwiMace]

Some good points , thanks for watching :)

[@jomthstoryandanalysis6376]

I am an X-Plane user but i would love to try MSFS 2020 as soon as this sim is available because they are different in some aspects i think.

[@KiwiMace]

Agreed totally, looking forward to it :)

[@williamshedd253]

I'll just add it as another simulator. I currently use P3D V3, V4 and XPlane 11 depending on the aircraft or locations I want to fly.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks William. I do the same because each simulator has it's strengths and weaknesses. Appreciate you watching and commenting :)

[@mesillahills]

In my opinion both XP and P3D set themselves up for this self-inflicted disaster. MS saw a giant and obvious re-entry to FS and jumped all over it. So what were those things XP & P3D dragged their feet on ? Everyone now sells cheap AI assisted cloud time, cable based Internet speeds went off the charts, memory got dirt cheap, stock CPU's now burst out at 5 g's, everything is at least 8 cores and multi-threaded, Nvidia video cards went off the charts in improved technologies, and 3D photogrammetry absolutely rocks (just look at Google Earth VR for God's sake). XP & P3D went brain dead to these new things and MS didn't. MS got out of FS because they didn't want to spend the money for improvements at the time. Then they set up everyone else to do the same thing in the next new era while they are jumping back in to totally clean their clocks. It's that simple.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for commenting. It will definitely be interesting to see what response the other platforms have to FS2020

[@danhoven]

When MSFS 2020 is released it will be DX11. It's amazing enough as is, but imagine when they later update it to DX12 and (hopefully) incorporate Ray Tracing!

[@mark747captain]

This will be a kick up the ass for LR but only in terms of eye candy that, if you have the storage, is replicated in Ortho. Although MS have a massively financial pit to dip into, I have a funny feeling this may well go South for them given the cost parameters and the requirement to certainly upgrade one's system. PMDG will be working with them to basically freeze normal simmers out of the market. XP offers great community interaction with very little cost to the user. However, I do believe that Laminar will counteract it on their behalf. Who knows?

[@KiwiMace]

Time will tell, thanks for watching :)

[@jjohnson1667]

Sorry mate, Ortho alone can't replicate AI and machine learning procedurally rendering grass and other fine detail as you get closer to the ground. There are so many other ways LR is getting a gut check than just eye candy.

[@digitalclips]

"Laminar are going to have to up their game to try to match it..." This is the only point I really agree with in this video. Sadly, (I've bought every X-Plane since it came out) I doubt they have remotely enough in the piggy bank to even come close the MS FS 2020. So yes, for all the reasons you state a lot of people will remain with X-Plane but that number will dwindle over time and I suspect fast. There is simply zero doubt the paradigm for flight sims (and I hope far more than that) just shifted into a parallel universe with this new technology.

[@KiwiMace]

Hey Michael - thanks for your thoughts. Agreed FS2020 has certainly taken things to a new level. I will watch with interest how the rest of the industry reacts. :)

[@digitalclips]

@@KiwiMace Can you imagine being able to explore this world on land? I love GTA V, not for game play per se but just for the wandering around in a vast very realistic World (I am 67!) and have always hoped simulations would one day become, well the real thing. Imagine a person confined to a wheelchair or worse being able to explore anywhere in the world. I worked with cerebral palsy kids a long time ago so that wish is heart-felt. Add in a VR head set and we really are in the world of Sci-Fi and I love the prospect :)

[@KiwiMace]

@@digitalclips That would be awesome for sure!

[@jjohnson1667]

People need to realize this will bring so many new players that never wanted to make an investment because they wanted a very photo-realistic flight sim right out-of-the-box. Not only that, but a majority of P3D and XP users will switch to MFS once it comes out. Even more, once additional airplanes and VR support are added. With so many users switching plus the net new users, 3rd party developers will start focusing on this more than P3D and XP, PMDG for example. This will cause those sims to slowly lose interest as new addons, which are key to their survival, will slowly and slowly die out. This will not be a battle of 2 flight sims (not counting DCS or other combat flight sims), but instead, it will be MFS and a far distant dying XP/P3D. This simulator, in terms of technology, is a generation ahead of the other 2. Ortho alone, you can't compete with AI and machine learning procedurally rendering grass and other fine detail as you get closer to the ground. Those that are trying to make competing arguments are not looking at the overall big picture with what this is bringing to the table. Aerodynamics(1000 simulated points, no lookup tables), extremely detailed cockpits, the beautiful world (understatement), soundscape for the entire world, volumetric rain/clouds/fog, wind that interacts with buildings/clouds/water to make waves, grass and other detail, exceptional lighting, 32 cloud layers with 600km cloud draw distances, interactive checklists, cloud shadows, volumetric snow, sids/stars. I could go on and on about features coming in the default sim that will blow away XP/P3D even with addons. Here's the kicker, we haven't even seen all the features yet!

[@stabehlphotography]

The future of Xplane will in large depend on 3 things in my opinion. 1) How quickly will 3rd party plane creators pump out jet liners (cause the fs2020 are horrible and don't hold a candle to even the cheapest add ons in x-plane) , 2) how good will said 3rd party jet liners be (physics, bugs etc) and 3) price for same. (while I am sure fs2020 will allow them, I am quite sure that they will set very high standards to allow them in ie. cost could go through the roof) X-plane has not been in the forefront of innovation in years. They gotta be a little concerned right now. But unless the jets get going in fs2020, either through massive patches or performance enhancements, don't count out x-plane yet - less visual quality regardless

[@BrettCulley]

i am on 2gbps up and down, don't think internet will be my issue, but i think everyone is over hyped,microsoft have screwed us twice already

[@KiwiMace]

I think you are good when it comes to your internet. It's a fair comment re: Microsoft - time will tell whether this is a repeat performance. Thanks for watching :)

[@kazukinakamura1110]

Regarding your first point, it is yet to be determine but they are doing all of the processing/rendering in the cloud (Azure). This will greatly lessen the burden on your PC. As long as you have reliable internet to stream HD or 4K you should be fine.

[@KiwiMace]

Yes that seems to be the case, time will tell exactly what will be required. I think the key is whether the performance and quality will be up to the standards people want.

[@windshearahead7012]

0:21 “flight sim twinty twinty” “spell the “ind” “ixeted” lmao

[@justinspirational]

Until VR for FS 2020 is fully supported and Helicopters with realistic flight characteristics are also supported I'm sticking with XP11 (real world heli pilot here)

[@KiwiMace]

Nice - thanks for watching :)

[@xdiver01]

Exactly justinspirational , same here! No VR, no fs 2020.

[@justinspirational]

@@xdiver01 I've heard they are now making vr a 'high priority' so even if not available at release it should be coming now

[@silverhawk5191]

I am calling B. S. On FS 2020 . I will always fly X-Plane flight Simulator.

[@KiwiMace]

All good - thanks for watching and commenting:)

[@jjohnson1667]

And there are people who still ride in old stinky and smokey cabs instead of taking an Uber or Lyft. Some stubborn people just don't like change.

[@arnman2093]

8 years from now when I have the computer that can handle 2020 and hopefully non-subscription air hauler type mods are available, will the servers providing the 2,000,000 gigs of required scenery still be available?

[@BogdanSerban]

There are people that STILL use FSX/P3D even though you can really see it's an ancient platform. But those people don't care about fancy graphics or stuff like that. Worst case scenario, X-Plane will be a niche product geared towards real life pilots or cockpit builders. But you have to remember X-Plane only started to become commercially attractive since v10-v11.

[@KiwiMace]

You may well be right. Thanks for watching :)

[@jakeaviator1515]

Well... I was, well I am an MSFS fan. Since my mum bought me MSFS 98 when I was 11, I have learned to fly on every version until FSX. I dipped in X-Plane 7 but it was not up to scratch. X-Plane 10 was great as a substitute for FSX but then X-Plane 11 came and I became a real world pilot then. I used it as a training tool and built a top end pc since 200$ and hour for real which meant that from 10h and above the cost was justified. It helped me pass my checkride and it’s used at many schools. MSFS looks nice, but it still looks more of a game. I would have to try it. If I load a Cessna 172 in X-Plane, it acts like the real thing. My flight planning calculations are really accurate. Graphics are not all. If you see the stuff that comes out of Austin’s brain, it’s fascinating the amount of passion and detail he puts into X-Plane. Eg calculating friction of the air currents and how it varies both in speed and direction depending how close to the ground. The behaviour of thermals, stalls, tyre friction on dry, damp or wet. Yes, MSFS 2020 is working on many things but I don’t think to this amount of detail. So for now and probably for the long term I will stick with X-Plane.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for taking the time to comment Jake - some good points

[@flyingpauls5267]

Answers to your problems: (1) The ones that will struggle with MS 2020 are now having even more problems with X-Plane. (2) Scenery add-ons will be obsolete, esp. the expensive Orbx stuff, Airplanes will be ported. (3) This is a 10-year project, according to the developers. (4) Having done numerous larger airports, I should have shown some loyalty to the XP community. But even I would not hesitate to switch a moment. (5) X-Planes will continue its slooow progress. Unless they find someone like Microsoft, and Austin lets it happen.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for your thoughts :) Time will tell

[@KerboOnYT]

My take on FS2020? I'll believe it when I see it. I don't buy the hype.

[@KiwiMace]

I don’t think you are alone Kerbo

[@AngelLestat2]

you are an idiot.

[@johndunstan7003]

Please explain what IFISICS 6:22 is. I can't find it in the dictionary.

[@KiwiMace]

haha that's my New Zealand accent. What I said was "If you think back to..."

[@johndunstan7003]

@@KiwiMace We will forgive our cousins from across the ditch for their accent. 😁

[@KiwiMace]

Hahahaha cheers cobber lol!!

[@gemster18]

I completely agree with you! I go all the way back to the early days of Microsoft flight simulator 3.1, I have been flying virtually now for over 20 years, I have numerous simulators up to and including X-Plane 11, and of course FSX I have numerous add-ons in both simulators and believe it or not even though FSX came out way back in 2006, I still enjoy flying it, that being said, I currently fly X-Plane 11 primarily, I will of course have to get this offering from Microsoft, but by no means will I just abandoned and completely retire X-Plane 11. I believe that this simulator X-Plane 11 is still a very good SIM for what it is and I look forward to seeing what laminar will be bringing forward next year when they release X-Plane 12 hopefully?

[@KiwiMace]

Good points Gemster. The reality is there are a number of reasons why people will stick with other simulators.

[@dixielandfarm]

I'm with you, I don't think X-Plane will have any issues. I run Linux, so I am assuming I won't be able to use FS2020 (unless there is a Steam version), and I also live in a rural area with DSL so I won't have the internet speed to make it look like the demos anyway. Also, X-Plane never ditched the scene - I don't know if people will trust MS not to do that again.

[@KiwiMace]

Some good points, thanks for commenting :)

[@everythingphotographyandar9970]

I have both the X-Plane and MS Flight Sim, starting with XPlane 5.49 to ver 10, and MS Flight Sim 95 to ver X. I enjoyed both platforms. My first flight simulator that I bought was MSFS 2000 professional, I was impress with all the airports and the landscape and the downloadable weather and the concord. However later that year when I saw the X-plane box (ver 5.49) which had more airplanes selection, you can land the Space Shuttle from orbit, fly sci-fi rocket plane on Mars, this blew me away. As well X-Plane already have the ability to build your own airplane design, airfoil, and scenery within the software. I believed the X-Plane will still be around, and then I will wait and see for the new MS Flight Sim 2020 before buying it.

[@jazzman9103]

I totally agree with you on #2 in that if you have been simming for some time then getting a new one is like moving into a new home after it's taken you awhile to settle in to your current one. I've been simming since the 90's and the joke was the sim you have today is for the PC you will own tomorrow meaning we just couldn't run it and here we are with systems that can run what we have after countless dollars for addons and hours of testing and tweaking will make it tough to just go jump to a new sim, not saying people won't but that is the challenge for most.

[@KiwiMace]

Yeah definitely. It takes so long to fine tune your system it can be hard to give it up! Thanks for watching and commenting :)

[@musicmannot]

Very valid and sensible comments. Can't find any fault in your argument. Exciting period ahead!

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for watching :)

[@BradKwfc]

I agree with you, Computer and internet requirements will keep a lot of people away from FS2020 for a while. Also, do we know if FS2020 will have VR yet? VR is so immersive that many people would choose VR immersion over resolution.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for taking the time to comment and watch :)

[@GeekOfAllness]

They're putting a lot of effort into supporting headsets for PC, but not console. uploadvr.com/ms-flight-sim-2020-vr-high-priority/ Presumably headset support will also be an advantage for other VR avenues like full cockpit setups, since they'll put more work into separating the cockpit components so the game isn't trying to render controls that already exist in physical space. Motion tracking for headsets is also important for cockpits since it can render the outside world at a different angle depending on where your head is in the physical cockpit.

[@acurisur]

The problem with your statement is the devs have never mentioned what the mimimum pc spec needed is, everyone is speculating and pulling stuff out of thin air, nothing new there. What I can tell you is that MSFS2020 is being developed to run on as many different setups as possible and will be extremely well optimised, as it has to be in order to run on the Xbox One when it eventually releases on console.

[@GeekOfAllness]

@@acurisur Optimization only gets you so far. The console platform is simply not going to be capable of rendering the quality presented at E3. Instead, you'll have the option (so I've heard) to stream data rendered by MS servers to your Xbox. It's like Netflix except that's it's being rendered in response to player inputs. And that, obviously, requires pretty decent internet. Many people in cities won't even think of that as an issue. But lots of people live in places where the internet is too slow for even 1080P (especially at 60+ fps), and the latency can be obnoxiously bad. Also, I have no idea what kind of pricing is involved with that (it may be part of the $10 a month for the Xbox game package, but I'm not sure). Minimum PC requirements probably won't be that bad, but, if you're just barely meeting them, you may not get something substantially better than X-Plane or whatever flight sim you're currently on.

[@BradKwfc]

@@GeekOfAllness That makes the most sense to me. That's what they've done with previous versions also...But to run full capability I think will require huge downloads or a really good computer with an even better internet connection. Either way I look forward to the day I get to use it effectively.

[@mikewauge7440]

I installed it last night. Finally after all the anticipation it is here. It took about an hour to install and that part went well. I paid for the deluxe version but didn’t see that in the Microsoft Store so downloaded what I did find figuring I can get the upgrades later. I suspect there are tons of programming bugs as I am having a lot of problems with everything I try. First, it recognizes my thrustmaster rudders but it doesn’t respond to rudder or toe brakes. I managed to take off in a Cessna 152 and fly around Salem Oregón. The airport doesn’t even resemble the real thing but at least the runways are correct. Flying around town and again, it’s not even close to resembling Salem. Then I tried to fly a Cirrus SR22 to Southern Oregon and could not get the auto pilot to engage properly. I am very disappointed so far so will keep using X-Plane which is looking better than ever. X-Planes graphics aren’t that much worse if at all. I use 4 monitors and Air Manager, which 2020 doesn’t support yet. Also the documentation is very insufficient so trouble shooting is very difficult.

[@AndrePereira-tw5vs]

I think Laminar Research and Lockheed Martin will have to team up so they don't lose their customers for Flight Simulator 2020 won't be easy because the new simulator represents such a huge advance, PMDG dropped development of anything for XP11.

[@KiwiMace]

That's an interesting concept, will be interesting to see what happens

[@PeteFine]

Your video makes decent points but ignores some major reasons why FS2020 will have the edge (unless Xplane surprises us quickly...). First, Microsoft INVENTED the PC Flight Sim and there are more simmers that grew up with that Brand (brand loyalty?) than Xplane or any other Flight Sim. I tried Xplane for months- some excellent flight dynamics and scenery (though the really good scenery comes at a big 3rd party expense). FS2020, as advertised, will have more detailed airports and scenery (heck, even FS9 had more out of the box detailed airports if I remember correctly) and one would expect the level of scenery will be better out of the box than Xplane since they know who they are going up against. Your point about hardware requirements and addons coming later applies to ANY sim, so we can ignore that. My main reason for abandoning Xplane 11.30 was the horrible ATC incorporation. Even after two updates from Xplane 11 the ATC remains laughable. It will guide you into a mountain! Even FS9 (ancient by now) had a better out of the box ATC. You could do a real-world IFR flight anywhere and be guided by ATC, do accurate ILS approaches, etc. A fight sim has to excel at VFR AND IFR, not just one or the other. Last comment- MS knows where they were, what people wanted (on the many forums) and have a chance to address all those faults. visually and ". I expect it will blow away everything so far.

[@michaelwilliamson6061]

Laminar needs to step it up, or I believe they will be gone. They have a small window to exist because of your 5 reasons, but they seem to refuse to fix the weather engine or will they?

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for commenting Michael. Yes time will tell whether they step up.

[@nealkaye9056]

I fly IFR 95% of the time so I'm interested in the ATC that comes with FS 2020. if it's not far more realistic than the stock ATC that came with FSX, which was less than adequate, I may delay my purchase.

[@naritaovidiu1199]

Thank you for taking to make this video, as you pointed on 2. investment in current platform I'm right there and that not only for fs2020 but all others too. I invested time and money to build a minimum necessarily hardware simulator based on SimVim. I had to learn a little programming, electronics and so on. Only possibility for me to migrate to something else is when that platform will be compatible with SimVim. That's my case, of course, if I'll make in 2020 my first contact with an good looking sim maybe I'll choose this but again, I was always oriented to the hardware and after short time (my first sim was MFS X) I'll give the try to another sim that allows a cheap hardware setup.

[@KiwiMace]

Nice! Thanks for taking the time to comment, it sounds like you have a sweet setup.

[@topaviator]

Xp11 is dead no matter what unless they work really hard to reach fs2020 and about flight models and everything that u think about fs2020 has already have it 20×more than xp11

[@knightatnite]

what ever happens to X-plane we should all be grateful for everything that Laminar and all of its partners have done to make us enjoy the experience of fly simulation . As for me Competition is healthy and I am sure Laminar will be up to the challenge and improve their sim .

[@KiwiMace]

Well said

[@tomwunder3557]

I definitely agree that XP11 is in no danger of becoming extinct. My first experience with X-Plane was with version five point something or another. Frankly it was horrible at that time. But even then it had a huge following of loyal fans. Over the years when a subsequent version would show up in a bargain bin or later an online sale I’d try it with similar disappointment. I got version 10 in a bargain bin at a now defunct electronics store and it still wasn’t particularly good to my eyes. But I left it on my system and it was rarely noticed. One day I fired it up just to see if there was a reason I hadn’t removed it. I got prompted to do a free update to 10.50 and to my surprise it was for the first time something I could enjoy to play. But not a lot until version 11 came out. All through those years that formerly huge fan base was becoming totally enormous. I never understood what attracted them to what I considered a joyless sim with ugly scenery and a totally awkward user interface. Obviously they would not have agreed with me at all. While it still has weak points in my opinion it is easily 5,000% better than before. But more importantly that loyal fan base will never jump ship on it no matter what happens. Of the current flight sims XP11 & DCS are solid, established sims that will endure. I fear that some others such as AFS2 & FlyInside may not. For various reasons I removed FSX & P3D from my system a few years ago... mostly because I felt the time for 32 bit flight sims was past and besides I never liked Lockheed’s attitude toward it’s sim customers anyway. I currently use primarily XP11 & AFS2. XP11 is IMO the best current sim for realism. AFS2 is far & away the most fun especially in VR! I am just learning to use DCS and although I have never been much for combat sims I do love the highly detailed high performance machines. DCS also has an enormous fan following. I do hope IPACS comes out with some good additions for AFS2 soon because without some momentum I fear this great and under appreciated sim will go by the wayside. Mayhap they could move the new Boeing 777 along a bit quicker... please IPACS? And after all that I have no doubt that I will be getting this new MSFS the 1st day it is available. I’ve grabbed up every new sim I could get my hands on for 38 or 39 years now so I’m not likely to stop now... especially when this one looks so juicy! Be well. :)

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for taking the time to make so many detailed comments Tom. I think you make some good points. I have DCS but haven't played it for literally 3 or 4 years - it looks like it has developed nicely. Appreciate you watching :)

[@tomwunder3557]

What a nice & polite way to point out that I am a long winded old gas bag. Thanks for the reply. ;)

[@KiwiMace]

@@tomwunder3557 Not at all - I read every word!

[@oreotcat]

I think it will put a dent in the "gaming" market, meaning those who use sim for entertainment. However P3D and X Plane also serve a commercial market which FS2020 will not serve. So I think both Lockheed and Laminar will continue to be around. It will be interesting to see if either of them step up the game to compete.

[@KiwiMace]

That's actually a really good point I hadn't considered. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. :)

[@oreotcat]

@@KiwiMace Thank you for posting this! :) I just started using P3D a few months ago and I've spent a lot of money so far. So no plans to get rid of it anytime soon LOL. I also have XP, but honestly prefer P3D. I guess a lot depends on what developers will do too. PMDG has already said they won't do the 737 MAX for P3D. That sucks!

[@flightsimpctech734]

1st let me say I enjoyed this video very much 2nd I built my rig especially with XP-11 in mind. However I do think Kiwi is missing the mark a little here. Lets take his first argument... Hardware specs: Well frankly the rumored minimum specs he described wouldn't run XP-11 very well either. Especially with Ortho and some of the other addons. I have a 1080ti with a i7 (8th gen)CPU (and yes I run my sim at a high graphic levels in 1440p) but with some aircraft in major cities I'll be at 42 FPS, a 970 card would be very taxed in XP-11. Now I can address the next 3 points with one argument... Those users already own XP-11. What is going to have the Laminar people really worried is not the people that already own the platform. What about new purchases, new simmers? That's what's going to generate the resources to improve the existing XP-11platform. Updates including new airports, flight dynamics etc.. Programmers need to be paid, and if future sales grind to a halt there might not be enough in the coffers to continue to pay for future developments in the long term. As for the 5th point he makes... well they will need investment capital to make anything close to FS-2020, and lots of it. The programming team Microsoft has put together is nothing short of amazing. This team has dozens of programmers. I would guess the budget for this project is well in the millions. Nothing for a company like Microsoft. Remember the original X Box sold at a loss for almost 3 years. Not many companies can purposely do that. A different story for Laminar I bet. The audio team alone showed like five guys recording the various aircraft. I have never seen more then like 10 or 12 guys on the entire XP-11 team including sales and tech support. FS-2020 probably has more audio engineers and directors just coding sound alone. Laminar's investment to get a product that's compared with FS-2020 out within the next say 2 years would be vast. I dare to say it would mean a whole new infrastructure and business model. Also they would have to make some kind of arrangement with Google Maps to have the satellite imagery that Microsoft enjoys, and if they do that they'll need sever space for the petabytes of data that would generate. Anything less then that just wouldn't be a comparable experience. FS-2020 is not just a slightly improved sim with good points here and good points with XP-11 there. People are saying this is the next gen of flight simulation... Lets just be honest, this is a multi generational jump! Will there be a number of XP-11 owners that will continue to fly and support the platform? Yes, I think that goes without saying. But that means dollars spent with third party developers not on XP-11 directly. No XP-11 is not dead as far as users flying the sim goes, but Laminar as a viable company developing future product I think is in for troubled waters... That's my take.

[@statik_hershey5735]

Imagine having Mfs2020 with Ray tracing Bruh

[@malcolmlawrence3169]

I’m looking forward to ms 2020. I have xplane 11 and have never liked it. I have always had trouble with getting it to work properly and problems with setting up my flight controllers and getting the to stay as I’ve set them. I don’t like the way the coms system works. I never had any problems with the various FS versions. Thanks

[@KiwiMace]

Fair enough, thanks for taking the time to comment Malcolm.

[@naijapilotxmax6006]

If you dont know how to use Xplane how then are you sure you can use Msfs2020? I wonder!

[@malcolmlawrence3169]

NaijaPilotX Max yeah you might well be right but I loved fsx - never had any problems with it. Regards

[@MisiekBaer]

Compelling arguments against FS2020. For me FS2020 will not be an either or but a one as well as the other, with X-Plane11 for serious simming and FS2020 only for gaming on a playstation on a big screen TV. That is unless..... FS2020 will support MacOS systems and VR, which would definitely be a game changer to the detriment of X-Plane and other sims alike. On the other hand if X-Plane 11 will finally support VR for MacOS users it is another story at least for me (ain't going back to MS OS). Just invested and tweaked too much my current X-Plane 11 system. In a few years time it will show whether MS can pull FS2020 thru (other than eye candy) to match "X-Plane then" in its capabilities regarding VR as well as the number of aircraft and overall aircraft system fidelity to do serious simming instead of just gaming. That's my humble view. I don't think I will afford two simming rigs side by side or kill X-Plane 11 for the benefit of operating MS2020 in a virtual environment on my Mac.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for commenting and watching :)

[@karlsangree]

Although this may not be cast in stone, it is my understanding the FS20 is going to be another subscription service. If that's the case I will most likely not make the switch from XP11. When you start adding up Disney+, Hulu, NetFlix, Amazon, Adobe, and every other monthly software/entertainment subscription, it gets to be quite a lot. Also, (just my current understanding) there will be no native VR support in the initial release. After flying my Zibo 737 in VR for about 2 years, there is NO WAY I am going back to a flat screen. I don't care how good the scenery looks.

[@KiwiMace]

That's actually another good point re: subscriptions. I suspect you wont be alone should it be launch as a subscription model. Thanks for watching :)

[@markgriffin2285]

It’s like looking at a restaurant menu. Off times the actual plate of food you receive is different than the picture on the menu. Such as the size of shrimp for example. Marketing is a lot of hype and promotion. I’ll wait until the actual product is released.

[@vicrobinson1366]

I fully agree with what you say let’s see when 202O is released what gear we will need to run it like that are showing I remember as I was one that believed the hype when MS showed us FSX just like they are showing 2020 now and I like many purchased it straight away as I at that time a high end PC but what a shock when you could not get the same results as shown on the pre release videos, but hope I’m wrong this time but let’s just wait and see and not just rush into things. Great video and also what a lovely country NZ is. I spent some time there a couple of years ago love to go back.

[@LodewijkVrije]

the whole online thing is a bit misleading. you can download any region you want to your pc. and use it without having an internet connection at all. if you had 2 petabytes of storage in your pc. then you would be able to download the entire game, and play it offline on full graphics with the whole world. only online features that would not work will be live weather and air traffic.

[@KiwiMace]

That is true except who is running 2PB of storage on their PC!

[@luisenrique5263]

If the flight dynamics are good then there will be no competition to FS2020. Investing in Hardware will be key and well worth it.

[@markwinter2933]

Howdy, Thank you, this has really good content. One thing I might add is VR support. MS SIM 2020 will not be adding VR support for some time after launch. This is paramount for me. Right now I ONLY fly in VR on Odyssey Mixed really VR headset. X-plane 11 and DCS world 2 are both very good with VR. I would have to invest in 3 really good monitors for the new 2020 sim, to a tune of $700-$1000 plus possibly (most likeley) have to upgrade my internet. Not something my wife would be keen to. Then there is virtual cockpit items, very expensive, so that the keyboard is not the main input for switches etc... Clickable cockpit is not the best but still better than keyboard input. I have a lot of fast drives ( a couple are NVME and SSD) so download content is doable for me. Another point for me is DCS. This is becoming my favorite sim recently and I don't see MS 2020 ever taking this on.

[@KiwiMace]

Yeah VR will definitely be a factor for some. DCS is definitely awesome - totally agree there :) Thanks for watching.

[@Knottypine79]

Just so you know, VR for FS2020 has now been moved to high priority. Most likely not at launch though.

[@8romeo650]

FS 2004 still serves its purpose...it runs like butter on my system and I get ridiculously high frames even though they are set at 30, I still have great fun with it. If you know how to set up FS2004 properly, ground textures, scenery, sky textures and so on, you can have a fantastic simming experience as with any of the actual flight sims. It really is a matter of choice. By the way, I have FSX, all the P3D's and Xplane 11. I guess I am just "old school."

[@barrysheridan9186]

We are not aware yet of the hardware requirements never mind the overall pricing, so to write off XPlane or any other sim is premature. There is no question 2020 looks superb, but XPlane 11 looks pretty good, especially with any of the Orbx packages. Will stay with XPlane, it is pretty good value for money and the flight modelling is close, or as close as you can expect for the average desktop environment.

[@KiwiMace]

Agreed, thanks for watching :)

[@usquanigo]

XP11 does internal reflections. It's down to the add-on developer and how much effort they wish ti apply and how much skill they have.

[@mehdiAbderezai]

Unless Microsoft drops Flight Sim, X-plane would shrink and eventually live on as an opensource project, which would in turn eat into Microsoft's money.

[@KiwiMace]

Time will tell, thanks for watching and commenting :)

[@mpmyprojects6687]

Enthusiasts will wait and see which sim has the better flight model, physics, community support and so on. Don't let you fool just by graphics. If MSFS2020 has both the promised realistic flight model and cool graphics than can be rendered by a decent and affordable PC then we'll have a fine product. But still X-Plane will satisfy a lot of simmers out there who already have spent time and money to tweak their sim to the max. And there are so many tools out there that allow you to get a superb graphic world out of X-Plane (ortho scenery etc.). And yeah, you can run more than just one sim. There are still a lot of simmers out there who still use MSFS2004 or earlier just because they like that stuff.

[@KiwiMace]

Some good points thanks :)

[@PaulEkert]

Interesting thing that no one is talking about is the actual cost of FS2020. Will it be the first $100 games/sim?

[@bernaro]

I really hope to voice recognition check-list with my virtual first officer (nice female voice one please) talking and react to my "check" and starting for instance with simply "before start checklist please".

[@KiwiMace]

That would be great!

[@tomkent4656]

Let's wait and see how much it costs!

[@KiwiMace]

Hopefully not too much!

[@jackem6001]

If MSFS 2020 turns out to be half as good as it promises, it'll eventually choke off all the other civilian sims, including X-Plane, though (as you describe) a few pockets of hard-core hold-outs favouring other sims will likely cling on in the Outlands. But DCS will survive easily as a military sim. No one can possibly match Eagle Dynamics' obsessive attention to detail when it comes to researching and modelling the minutiae of military aviation.

[@KiwiMace]

Yeah agree re: DCS - it's pretty awesome . Thanks for watching :)

[@Senior-Busa-Rider]

I am getting back into Fs after 10 years so I’m starting fresh I want dcs and maybe Fs You tell me what you think?

[@KiwiMace]

Hey Kim thanks for watching. Each of those titles are very different. DCS is a combat simulator whereas FS is a generic flight simulator. Both are good games so it depends on what type of flying you prefer.

[@alessandrosalvalajo9355]

Falcon bms and done

[@jackvegt1042]

I bought X-plane11 for 50 euro's, downloaded free ortho4XP and the free Zibo-mod that transfers the 737 into the most realistic airliner so far. Now microsoft comes (most likely) with a subscription system, price unknown. After subscribing you have to buy a new PDMG airliner for at least 80 euros, to get the same experience. No, I will stick to X-plane for the time being, I am not in a hurry.

[@KiwiMace]

Fair enough. Thanks for watching :)

[@davidbandini3484]

I played many years ago with Flight simulation X gold and I really enjoyed it I really enjoyed the missions and ATC was better than X plane 11 that it’s horrible on X plane11

[@KiwiMace]

Yeah ATC isn't one of it's strongest points. Thanks for watching :)

[@Brooks__EU]

@@KiwiMace Are there really people out there that use the AI ATC?... After I started with xplane or modern flight sim in general, after "mastering" the plane, I went out and looked out for online ATC like VATSIM

[@KiwiMace]

@@Brooks__EU I personally don't and it appears many other don't either. If AI ATC worked flawlessly it might change what people do though as not everyone wants to use VATSIM, IVAO etc

[@Brooks__EU]

Kiwi Mace i do get the Reasons why People dont, but those Services gave me the best „real“ experience

[@tylerett7331]

I literally can’t even get onto Microsoft flight simulator 2020 it just keeps crashing straight when I get onto it can anyone help and what should I do? 😃

[@maltimoto]

FS2020 crashes way too often. And loading a flight with exact cockpit state is not possible. In X-Plane yes, and it crashes very seldomly.

[@tylerett7331]

@@maltimoto oh thank you soo much

[@darrinward4699]

Consider that this software will have a version for X-Box , therefore moderate systems will be able to run it in the PC world. Microsoft has also focused on the use of multi-core processors . Regarding bandwidth , at lower levels , the software will render how much data is downloaded at any given time. Couple that with the offline mode where users can download scenery to accommodate their chosen flight plan will also help. The issue for me is immersion and true VFR. The scenery is second to none. I am a immersion geek , plain and simple with about $ 4000 invested on scenery software alone. Even with that investment I am still unable to fly over me house but I can in 2020 without buying more software. I can foresee that I will never need to invest in scenery again. The same rule applies for weather engines and separate draw engines for weather. That leaves aircraft which we can expect their will be a market for. PMDG has already announced it is on board here and I am sure A2A will be involved as well. I see Microsoft flight simulator with this new platform not making a new version every 2 years but rather continuing to build on a this new generation for the next 10 years. Most people in the sim community who like myself are obsessed with the immersion factor in the sim, will have a out of box experience they have cried for the last 10 years. Xplane11 and Lockheed will have one hell of a time catching up assuming they plan to do so . Two major things Microsoft will need to get going ASAP after the release is VR and Seasons in that order. Until the VR issue is resolved Xplane and P3D will continue to have some life as it sits right now. Lockheed has the resources to compete, Xplane may not have the same resources as Microsoft and Lockheed , but they do have the drive. In my opinion, had either one invested to get out of the plain wrapper market on immersion and continued to improve the out of box experience we would all benefit a lot more. I don't know if they just made modest improvements simply relying on third party developers to fill in the blanks. Even the the best scenery add-ons out there can't touch this. Best of all every time Bing Maps updates the scenery updates as well.

[@KiwiMace]

Yes totally agree about the immersion in FS2020, particularly from a VFR perspective. The scenery looks amazing. Thanks for watching :)

[@phareztrinimand]

I don't know why people are saying bye to the other sim for, game trailers always looks better than the real thing and when x plane 11 dropped people was like FSX IS DIED but its not, people use FSX AND P3D not everyones system will be able to handle fs2020 and 70% of sims got normal computers and not gaming rigs

[@FlightSim2024]

Thanks for this video, we uploaded a video and Oh Boy! A war started out in the comment section LOL... We eventually took it down before WW3 started XD

[@KiwiMace]

Yes it’s a controversial comment at times!!!

[@FlightSim2024]

@@KiwiMace We learned to stay away mate! Lol

[@KiwiMace]

haha fair enough!!

[@chrmats4]

There's a lot of people acting like fanboys, naive individuals who wish XP11 dies, like this would help us simmers in any way whatsoever!! We need the competition to be alive and strong. This is the only beneficial way for this genre and us simmers.

[@KiwiMace]

Totally agree, thanks for taking the time to comment Chris.

[@davidwhite7837]

All we have publicly seen is what MS has wanted us to see. I fondly remember Flight and FS World. How about we wait until it is released.

[@terraincognita2334]

Hi, you made good points here...though it seems that Laminar Reserach has been caught off guard - see their latest and quicly retrieved Q&A livestream. Well at least one can assume that being a small and very innovative team, they can adapt their roadmap and make quick steps to catch up with FS 2020. The steps are very high and the resources are nowhere near the likes of Microsoft/Asobo. And time is running short. MS clearly unveiled what is probably the next platform for the next 10 years (this a about flight simulation for the moment, but who can tell where you can go from that ? it's a world sim!)

[@KiwiMace]

Agreed, MS have definitely put the challenge out there. It will be interesting to see how Laminar respond. Thanks for your thoughts :)

[@xules2139]

Wonder how long it will be before MS rolls their Forza series into the Sim as well. lol

[@m00n_pInK]

I've deleted my xplnr11 and p3d am waiting un patiently!!

[@KiwiMace]

Haha what are you going to play in the meantime?!!!

[@mawsoncasey7347]

Kiwi Mace he will be playing with his joystick 🕹

[@m00n_pInK]

@@KiwiMace the new sim makes me feel like kid when they use to buy us a new toy ,though we had the same toy but we used to get excited .

[@Golftime123]

If it’s not as good as expected, I will switch to Xplane 11 from Aerofly FS2.

[@alessandrosalvalajo9355]

What i Hope Is to see addons for airplanes,ATC and maybe a career mode. I want that companies that makes addons Will focus on these addons and not ti pay ridicolous prices for airports anymore

[@KiwiMace]

Good points thanks :)

[@wdoormann]

I still waiting and hope it will not to long until FS20 come out. In the meantime, I will spend no money anymore in XPlane and P3D.

[@rogerdunn4993]

As a pilot, I'm less interested in mega-definition and more interested in accurate flight dynamics and individual aircraft behaviors, avionics, flight controls, etc. Not looking for a "game", but an actual flight sim.

[@maltimoto]

me too. flight physics are bad in MSFS

[@billb6283]

Giving you a thumbs up because you said "smash it even if you don't like it"...lol...but I do

[@ThakisisPW]

First, you have an offline mode. Internet connection seems don't gonna affect graphics quality or performance, but graphics fidelity with the real world. The second point investment I guess you can remove scenery from the equation since none of those add-ons are even close to the level of detail shown in MSFS2020. Will you keep buying new add-ons for XP or instead you will start to buy new ones for the next Microsoft Flight Simulator? To laminar survive doesn't only need to keep people playing need to keep people buying content. About the third party content... I think most of the developers are aware of the impact FS2020 gonna have in XP base so they have the chance to sell again same airplanes to players. Probably FS2020 will get a lot of those airplanes /add-ons in a very short time after FS2020 will be released. Loyalty is a two ways relationship and laminar in my opinion has failed to the user base because was in a dominant position thinking no one can claim the king's crown. Now an older player is back and all reasons said for don't adopt the new platform has been debunked video after video update after update. The survival of XPlane only depend of Laminar they should wakeup and start to work to improve it. But the main problem is the gap between what we have seen in FS2020 and XP11 isn't small is really huge mainly because the use of new technologies like Azure AI. Laminar doesn't have the resources to even get close to this 3D world mapping. I hope laminar will fight hard because competition is good for the users. I apologize about my English, I'm not fluent in it.

[@KiwiMace]

Thanks for taking the time to comment Juan :)

[@peejay1943]

If the set up of a flight of my favourite Beechcraft Baron on FS2020 is going to be as easy as it was on FSX I will be very keen. Here the X-Plane11 is very unwieldy and awkward (for me).

[@KiwiMace]

Fair enough - thanks for watching :)