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Flock And Scatter How To Seal Your Miniature Bases

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@danielniquet5366
@danielniquet5366 5 жыл бұрын
I know you sell this stuff Luke, but I really appreciate that your videos never feel like commercials. Keep inspiring.
@deathguarddavegoogley2022
@deathguarddavegoogley2022 5 жыл бұрын
To get ‘depth’ of colour with flocking, a little trick I’ve discovered is to put some green paint into your pva when covering the base to sprinkle your flock onto.
@xbumble
@xbumble 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I always do that too. Makes such a difference. Or else paint the base first and make sure it dries thoroughly before adding the flock etc.
@scotto9448
@scotto9448 2 жыл бұрын
Just paint the base first.
@JimmyCrawford
@JimmyCrawford 4 ай бұрын
I paint the base brown, then grass over it. Helps trick the eye into thinking there's soil beneath.
@monsvillerailways5736
@monsvillerailways5736 Жыл бұрын
In model railwsus we are not as hard on our surfaces as they are mainly aesthetic. My approach varies from yours for static grass and foam flock. 1. Apply PVA glue 2. Spread with a a brush 3 apply either flock 4 while the glue is still wet, apply watered down pva from a syringe or dropper. The wet glue base pulls the watered down PVA in with its own surface tention. It works. No IPA or VARNISH needed. Occasionally you get a break out but this can be controlled with a paper towel. I only use sawdust on teased coconut fibre strips sprayed with adhedive to make hedges. The sawdust looks more like leaves. 👍 Hope this helps.
@colouredIncognito
@colouredIncognito 3 жыл бұрын
'the most important question nobody ever asks, I get these questions 10-15 times a day...'
@amberharvey4566
@amberharvey4566 3 жыл бұрын
the question he gets asked is how you seal in flock, the question he never gets asked is how you seal each type of specific flock. bad phrasing on his part.
@buffalo-checkbedsheets3246
@buffalo-checkbedsheets3246 Жыл бұрын
😂
@Greentreeanduril
@Greentreeanduril 5 жыл бұрын
The dead moth cracked me up, awesome that you left that in the vid. I really like the effect I get from the various lengths of static grass, but hate using the stuff as it’s so messy. You have got me thinking about using your range of foam flocks for my next project now. Great vid, as always 👍🏻
@Postmann88
@Postmann88 5 жыл бұрын
MY MAN! I have been waiting to figure out how you did your glue sealant for almost a year. I just spent 2 weeks trying anything and everything with iso/glue and distilled water to get it to work. I just couldn't get it to mist no matter what i tried. Cutting the bottom of the hose is genius. Also I never considered adding a matte med to the glue. Thanks a ton! Now I'm off to find a spray bottle.
@madMARTYNmarsh1981
@madMARTYNmarsh1981 2 жыл бұрын
Foam flock looks like what just came out of my grinder. I'm not gluing mine to a board though. I'll be sure to remember these tips, thank you.
@DuoXCity
@DuoXCity Жыл бұрын
So I saw a video from the terrain tutor, and his solution to locking in flock was pretty simple. Use a course sand and use PVA to glue it to the surface of the terrain. This creates ground texture and can easily be dry brushed to add depth. Then, simply do what Luke is doing over the course surface. All the little nooks and crannies created by the course sand will hold the flock. Foam and sawdust work great and you lose a lot less flocking to flaking off. I don't know about the nylon stuff, never used it and the other vid didn't address it.
@stuartsimpson3696
@stuartsimpson3696 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant explanation, I have only used sawdust flock and wondered why it didn't last. Not sure how I can get hold of some of your products being on the other side of the world. Keep doing what you are doing thanks for the tips
@leont66wargaming31
@leont66wargaming31 5 жыл бұрын
Oh for flock sake..!! I keep meaning to get some foam flock just haven’t gotten round to it yet. Now I feel I’m going to have to put my hand in my pocket 😂😂 I think a touch of it here and there on my bases will lift them even more. Great comparison video. Definitely given me some ideas to add another dimension to my bases. Great stuff my friend
@richardclowes6123
@richardclowes6123 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, I had the same problem with the sawdust, but being a builder I have an unlimited supply of fine, medium and larger flakes. I found that the best way was to spray matt clear varnish and it doesn't discolour and can be done with more than one layer if required. I totally agree with Death Guard Dave that some paint in the pva does make a difference when using it for any reason. Albeit, too much pva on sawdust looses any texture, depending on the grade of sawdust.
@JimmiWazEre
@JimmiWazEre 5 жыл бұрын
0:18 "This is an important question that nobody ever asks..." 0:47 "I get asked it, and asked it - I see it everywhere" lol :)
@leefellows8770
@leefellows8770 5 жыл бұрын
Tbf I thought that but he is talking about different questions once I re watched it
@JimmiWazEre
@JimmiWazEre 5 жыл бұрын
I reckon it's his brother's fault, I'm almost certain 😁
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 4 жыл бұрын
"Any veterans who have learned anything from this let me know..." Crikey, Luke. Having last flocked a model in the 1970s (when sawdust was the only option) I've learned loads!
@TacDyne
@TacDyne 4 жыл бұрын
I used to use a mix of mulched dry grass clippings with the dust bits from lichen bags. I'd just spread white glue full strength where I wanted the depth to look like standing thick grass and dip the piece into a bag of the mix. It worked pretty well. This was back around 40 years ago where the only stuff we could get in stores was the green dyed dust for train sets. I'm loving that newfangled static flock device! Although it seems a bit like cheating haha.
@triruns
@triruns 5 жыл бұрын
Does the dead moth come standard with all your flocking products or does it cost extra?
@TheBlackFrog79
@TheBlackFrog79 5 жыл бұрын
It's a gift from Grandpa Nurgle.
@iangreen4572
@iangreen4572 3 жыл бұрын
It gives it a little extra body
@TheDevilockedzombie
@TheDevilockedzombie 2 жыл бұрын
Totally depends on if he thinks you have a silly name or not.
@Zejety
@Zejety Жыл бұрын
Great video! But I had to chuckle at "That's an important question that nobody ever ever asks" follow by 20 seconds about how you see the querstion everywhere :D
@essayons7
@essayons7 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video! All these years I've been using static grass, but now I think I'll move on to foam flock (or maybe even a mix?). Thanks!!
@FlyngSnoopy
@FlyngSnoopy 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Luke! I'm a noob to wargaming and am about to base my first battalion, so this is a huge help.
@kathyb-007
@kathyb-007 Жыл бұрын
... yes i'm searching high and low to figure out how to make sawdust from wood cuttings, stick to a project I'm making without falling off everywhere. Someone suggested using a spray adhesive but you mentioned it doesn't hold glue very well.
@TK-oo9gq
@TK-oo9gq 5 ай бұрын
The isopropanol and flow aid are only there to remove the surface tension ready for when you spray the PVA glue.
@leonandrews2668
@leonandrews2668 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, bit of a timeless video
@grud8495
@grud8495 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Luke, Thanks for the advice! Could you please make a vid where you show us how you would combine the 3 kinds of flock ?
@niallmacdonald8156
@niallmacdonald8156 Жыл бұрын
I know this is an old video, but cheers. Wouldn't have thought of sealing my static grass on my terrain with Matt varnish. I probably would've just used watered down PVA.
@wonderboy2402
@wonderboy2402 5 жыл бұрын
9:38 Extra tip, terrain tutor suggests placing something underneath the base so you don’t glue your terrain to the table after coating with glue. :)
@Fnordathoth
@Fnordathoth 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, grease proof paper also known as baking parchment is the way to go to prevent gluing terrain to the work table.
@rayslover8526
@rayslover8526 5 жыл бұрын
What does Mel know... LOL
@andygorman858
@andygorman858 5 жыл бұрын
Yes! Another “from the bench” video, really enjoy this style! Have always wondered about the best way to seal flock, thank you for this!!
@johnwyldbore73
@johnwyldbore73 3 жыл бұрын
Wish I’d seen this video 5 days ago, might’ve saved myself £25!! Gonna go for the £80 one now, it’s gone up by £7.50 but probably still well worth it. Fantastic example of all the applicators. 👍🏻
@hentailord28
@hentailord28 2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting cause just w a wet palette a few colors and a paintbrush you can paint minis incredibly good but for dioramas or bases... You need a whole army of materials, I want to get a "collection" of resources and materiales for it, I might start getting some of your products!
@owenthomas7014
@owenthomas7014 5 жыл бұрын
{Video opens with luke stood in front of a full length mirror, goodbye horses plays in the backgeound} "Would you flock me, I would flock me"
@wonderwend1
@wonderwend1 5 жыл бұрын
I'm loving this format : you look healthier 😉
@charliebarker76
@charliebarker76 2 жыл бұрын
This is great for helping me decide which grass to use for my son's Xmas present - I'm making an Amazon rainforest.
@TheDevilockedzombie
@TheDevilockedzombie 2 жыл бұрын
From a newbie and a fellow ginger you are a gd hero.
@chrispatty8953
@chrispatty8953 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. This made me decide on foam store bought flock. My first two attempts with the flock went great.
@ravian55
@ravian55 5 жыл бұрын
Are you flocking kidding me? This video is great! Time flew by as a flock of geese in the flocky clouds.
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 5 жыл бұрын
I was surprised by the quick fade to black at the end of the intro, leading in to the credits; rather than the big old sweaty palm wipe.
@nicolaolini7
@nicolaolini7 Жыл бұрын
If I understood right... you use the wetting technique to prevent the flock to move while covering with scenic glue. But I did not get why to do add acrilic medium to homemade scenic glue...
@athollmcnicoll256
@athollmcnicoll256 5 жыл бұрын
Yes Luke Jarvis used to be my main go to for flocks and to be fair they work but as for sawdust all I ever use it as is a mix with fine sand that has blown into buildings as wind damage and to glue it down I use 3 parts PVA, 1 part Iso and 1 part thinned down paint and this works to an extent but as you state over time and with handling it wears down, so best avoided like the plague!
@SquidmarMiniatures
@SquidmarMiniatures 5 жыл бұрын
Get the flock outta here! Are you flocking kidding me? Flock me this video is good! Flockin' eyyy mate, love ya luke! Thx for sharing your knowledge!
@rujv200
@rujv200 5 жыл бұрын
Aydan Paladin would say: flock me sideways.
@richardfriedli
@richardfriedli 5 жыл бұрын
@Squidmar Shouldn't your last line have been "Thx for sharing your flocking knowledge!"? :)
@ayemdismantld
@ayemdismantld 5 жыл бұрын
i appreciate your knowledge and how to's I am working on my first diorama and here is the answer i needed.. Thank you Luke
@chrisshepherd1566
@chrisshepherd1566 4 жыл бұрын
if you hold it upside down (grass downwards) give the bottom of a static grass base a good hard flick you can get loosely dropped fibes to stand up quite nicely....
@battlecommand
@battlecommand 11 күн бұрын
Thanks luke. Very useful info. Paul
@andrewamann8855
@andrewamann8855 5 жыл бұрын
Neat trick for static grass, if you're not in possession of an applicator: you can blow gently across the top of it, after putting it down, but before sealing, to get some of it to stand up properly.
@mikeybarrow1115
@mikeybarrow1115 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just getting in to making dioramas for my action figures and your videos have been a god send! Always top advice, simple instructions, really helpful cos you talk English brands 😂, thanks man!
@NIGHTMAREDEVASTATOR
@NIGHTMAREDEVASTATOR 9 ай бұрын
Your videos are very useful and informative, excellent job! Thanks for sharing on the web. Also, i have a question, can i use the same sealing methods to seal bases with rocks and small debris? And, can later paint/drybrush them without having any issues?
@philgee486
@philgee486 3 жыл бұрын
Ideal, considered, methodical (in a good way) guide, presented clearly and just what's needed when starting out or just dabbling with grass on bases (Except for the technical term - "On't tern" which made me laugh Though the corporate years and living overseas have completely changed my speech, I was once a black country boy (don't bother hating if you don't know what that is - it's not what you're imagining) I can remember when Amanda Holden didn't just look great, she still sounded a bit like home ;0)
@ScarletRoseLayoska
@ScarletRoseLayoska 3 жыл бұрын
Im just starting to learn how to base and this really helped me to learn more about how to base better. Thank you for the info
@aniyn
@aniyn 5 жыл бұрын
When you initially said "cork flocks" I misheard you.
@FrostandFists
@FrostandFists 5 жыл бұрын
Great flocking video, my brother! The way that you give such detailed flocking information shows that you really do give a flock! Keep on being such a flocking amazing guy, my man! ~ Wolfbrother Methos
@pauliusthemad3498
@pauliusthemad3498 5 жыл бұрын
I just varnished my minis and watched this video to see what is good way to make sure my flock doesn't fall off....Turns out I might have followed your advice by accident? Thanks it's great video either way.
@dragonsgreedgaming3500
@dragonsgreedgaming3500 Жыл бұрын
The variation in that foam flock looked pretty good in the end.
@liamjoseph992
@liamjoseph992 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. I've been using sawdust on large battle matts.. My matts have lasted over 2 years.. Being rolled up etc and played on alot. But slowly overtime the sawdust is thinning. I may need to swap to foam flocks, if I can get similar colours. Including greyed etc.
@rayslover8526
@rayslover8526 5 жыл бұрын
So i believe i use foam flock. I bought it from hobby lobby when i first started. I use a watered down PVA glue to glue my flock down to the bases. I usually use 2 or 3 different colors per base. I alsi use a black sand that's slightly larger than a grain of salt. After i have all the flocks onn i tap it off into a seperate container to make a mixed flock. But after it dries i seal the flock down with super thin CA glue.
@farpointgamingdirect
@farpointgamingdirect 5 жыл бұрын
With the sawdust, I use a good pump hairspray (not a spray can!) to help lock it down
@TheLizardNews
@TheLizardNews 2 жыл бұрын
You have the best tutorials. Keep up the good work man!
@Castlebridge-00
@Castlebridge-00 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke, great video and very helpful. I am getting ready to do the next scenery stage of my layout, so you have corrected a few things from my first efforts. Barry.Devon
@madddog6790
@madddog6790 5 жыл бұрын
Don't know where I saw this, but 1:3 Matte Mod Podge/water, with a few drops of dish washing liquid--works like a champ. It sprays great, and never gums up the sprayer later on.
@madddog6790
@madddog6790 5 жыл бұрын
@@GeekGamingScenics :)
@spencerwhipple625
@spencerwhipple625 5 жыл бұрын
I think part of the issue with sawdust flock is that it’s brittle, especially after hardening. So when you rub it, part is that it’s dislodging, and part is that anything sticking up is breaking off.
@DreadWaaaghGaming
@DreadWaaaghGaming 5 жыл бұрын
Very helpful tips toward the end so well worth watching through for anyone wanting to learn a thing or two about
@farpointgamingdirect
@farpointgamingdirect 3 жыл бұрын
I used to use hairspray in a pump bottle from the dollar store
@chrisfox961
@chrisfox961 Жыл бұрын
This was a very valuable video - thank you
@mikeysmokes247
@mikeysmokes247 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for that old flock from games workshop. We use to use it for 3rd edition
@brandonchaplin9782
@brandonchaplin9782 3 жыл бұрын
I have woodland scenics blended turf. Not sure if it's foam or sawdust though
@countryfriedminis
@countryfriedminis 3 жыл бұрын
Foam flock is king without a doubt!
@colinbright9871
@colinbright9871 5 жыл бұрын
Another thing I use to seal basing material is odourless hair spray. It works great.
@caedes5728
@caedes5728 4 жыл бұрын
I usually gently dry brush my static grass to get rid of the see through look to static grass. Mind you I tend to only use it in small patches.
@krizzledizzle454
@krizzledizzle454 4 жыл бұрын
You should sell a premade kit for foam grass, with the ronseal, pva, spray bottle and foam. I’d 100% buy.
@docremington1589
@docremington1589 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Luke, excellent vid! Got a challenge for you tho... you’re the master of scenic science; can you find out how to seal pigments? That would be some hobby cojones
@thomasberg8372
@thomasberg8372 5 жыл бұрын
Just ordered all the 2 in 1 ground cover flock. Can’t wait to try it out 😁
@danielfissel-painter3310
@danielfissel-painter3310 Жыл бұрын
This video helped so much! Thank you!
@rDunfee
@rDunfee 5 жыл бұрын
I see you stuck with the angle you said you were too lazy to change from the last video. Its not a bad one and kinda a nice change
@justinguthro1002
@justinguthro1002 3 жыл бұрын
The "foam" flock, is that made for like a wet/floral foam?. Or is it's like foam stuffing/bedding, like something you might use to make clump foliage. Just in a finer grade?.. I'd assume it's colored florist foam?
@IronHorseRailways
@IronHorseRailways 3 жыл бұрын
I've found whenever I've used sawdust based flock it always looks flat and fake and crap. First time I used foam flock it was like night and day for me.
@robot7759
@robot7759 5 жыл бұрын
Flock long and prosper. Flocking since '73. Wet working with sawdust with a minimum of 3 layers.
@markgnepper5636
@markgnepper5636 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
@Anecron1
@Anecron1 5 жыл бұрын
Lukes Aps you mentioned we should use a static grass applicator when using 4 and 6 mm grass. I get this when it's scenery but what about figure bases? Take a blood bowl base for example. The figure takes 1/3 of the base, the hole for the ball another 1/3 and then I want 4 mm grass on the rest that stands straight up as on a football field. The applicator won't fit...
@Anecron1
@Anecron1 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's what I figured. Was hoping you had a way to do it instead of working around it. Thx though.
@thisoneforu
@thisoneforu 10 ай бұрын
Oh no on the sawdust, I just purchased from you lol, oh well I will use it on scenes that dont have much travel upon
@bethanygraham427
@bethanygraham427 5 жыл бұрын
Great beginners guide.
@04Stefan07
@04Stefan07 3 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial I need to try it myself. Can the same sealer you made be applied to the grout/sand/dirt mixtures?
@alancook9586
@alancook9586 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Very clear for a new by like me. Keep up the good work.
@lennartbauer9418
@lennartbauer9418 2 жыл бұрын
I know i am late with that question, but i am a bit confused about the timing of step 2 with the foam flock (spraying the Isopropanol)? Do you do step 1 (glueing it on with PVA) and let it completely dry before spraying the Isopropanol, or do you do that right after putting the flock on the PVA? Also, after spraying the Isopropanol, do you immediately put the spray glue on or let that dry also? The way i understand it is: You glue the flock in place and let that completely dry. Then you spray it in isopropanol and immediately spray the spray-glue on after that. Is that correct?
@mikediehl1468
@mikediehl1468 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke! Thanks for the great tutorial. Great comparison! Youve helped me make my scenery much better today! Good idea there about using some 2 mil static grass!
@sandraleblond7571
@sandraleblond7571 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Luke.. I've just started flocking a vase and a ceramic teapot. I'm using evo-stick pva and 2mm static grass. Do I need to do the isopropyl and varnish spray along with the finishing matte varnish on the finished item. the teapot is curved etc with spout and handle would you attempt the whole thing in a oner or would you do little bits at a time?? Also is there any tricks to getting better adhesion with the PVA.. Maybe two coats or adding cornstarch to thicken. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Sandra.
@ceromadera3233
@ceromadera3233 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Luke, question here, Woodland scenics turfs and coarse turfs, also underbush and bushes are considered foam flock? Great, simple and to the point video congrats!!!
@dmcory4283
@dmcory4283 4 жыл бұрын
Your best video to date mate. thank you for sharing
@craigstidham3318
@craigstidham3318 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Luke! You made a very nice video on how to make sawdust flock...how about how to make foam flock?
@liamjoseph992
@liamjoseph992 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think your range could ever include some grey and brown foam flocks?
@Admin-rn6ym
@Admin-rn6ym 2 жыл бұрын
Link for Canadian distributor isn’t working. Where do you recommend I purchase from? Love the channel, thanks!
@shawnhilliard
@shawnhilliard Жыл бұрын
Can i use a thin super glue to seal foam flocking? I need to seal flocking peppered under a mini on a preexisting base so I don't want to use a spray mixture that'll get on the whole mini. Was going to use a needle tip attachment to get in the hard to reach places. Just not sure if foam flocking like in your video is super glue friendly.
@DanielBarfield
@DanielBarfield Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! Thanks for posting this!
@Johnnyboi1971
@Johnnyboi1971 5 жыл бұрын
i have seen all of your tree videos with all different techniques,after making all the different types what is your favourite tree foliage over seafoam and your preferred glues ?
@ChillingWargamers
@ChillingWargamers 5 жыл бұрын
Fantasy video dude.
@fritzmueller3435
@fritzmueller3435 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid, Luke. Very helpful.
@jivepsilocybe993
@jivepsilocybe993 3 жыл бұрын
Now the question I have is why isnt my pva glue drying? Its been over 24 hrs its still wet any minor abrasion rubs it of
@wesbrown3831
@wesbrown3831 5 жыл бұрын
I definitely feel less apprehensive about ground coverings and basing... Thanks!
@thomaschase7097
@thomaschase7097 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this and I was asking this very question and the search engine found you.
@WargamerSpud
@WargamerSpud 5 жыл бұрын
Love Love Love Mr Luke. Great video as always. Peace
@patricklefevre1342
@patricklefevre1342 5 жыл бұрын
I never liked the look or texture of sawdust flock untill I discovered that it can be used as leafs on bushes and such.
@madtabletopgamer3204
@madtabletopgamer3204 4 жыл бұрын
When , I use sawdust, I use a strong glue like clear superglue...
@jonnydarbyshire3263
@jonnydarbyshire3263 2 жыл бұрын
Does it have to be interior Matt varnish? Exterior is always sold as being more durable, but wondered if there was an issue I wasn’t thinking.
@kendo5862
@kendo5862 4 жыл бұрын
Lol - is it best to seal in the moths with PVA glue or matt varnish? Another great upload - as always, many thanks!
@deetee-uk
@deetee-uk 2 жыл бұрын
What should you use to seal sand for desert scenery?
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