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[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

If it dries out in 24 hrs it usually strong enough to save. Cheers!

[@sw204me]

You should do a video showing how to cut out sections and actually replacing of the sub floor. It would be helpful to those of us who have gone through over 5 layers of old floors to finally get to the subfloor and it's in such bad shape it's literally flaking off in layers like an onion or like one of the multi-layer biscuits. I feel like just covering it up would be the going the route the previous owners did when they first got the water damage, and like the drywall, they just covered it up with wallpaper and called it fixed.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

@@sw204me Thanks for the comment. when deciding on a proper course of action it is important to consider the clients needs as well. If i was to cut the subfloor at the hardwood then I would have created a weak spot in the floor that would have been impossible to manage as the joist was not under the hardwood. This would have caused me to remove and reinstall the entire floor in the hallway. Definitely not in the budget at this point. Just because the mind was offended by restoring the wood does not mean it is not structurally sound and capable of performing long term. Having solutions that don't cause new problems is very important in my business. it is much harder to repair without sutting things out and in most cases more advantageous. Cheers!

[@sw204me]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I think you misunderstood me, I wasn't at all saying that you were wrong for covering it up, I was saying for people like me who have to cut out the subfloor because the damage is severe, it would be great if you had a video that demonstrated how to do that properly.

[@rcknqt]

Thank you. So helpful

[@a.p.gdeathdealer3643]

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[@joshuavarney3092]

This video helped me understand my bathroom renovation. This info was EXACTLY what I needed. Secured and kilzed the subfloor, going to store for 5/8” plywood to install over subfloor as underlayment! Thank you!

[@johnarussoii]

The screws in the video are Paulin #8 x 2-1/2" flat head square drive phosphate coated screws. I can't find them in the US, however, Paulin is owned by Hillman who makes a similar screw under P/N 48248. Also, Simpson StronTie and Senco make similar flooring screws (Senco P/N 08200Y).

[@josephgries4683]

Extremely helpful video. Just saved me a bunch of time and money replacing water stained subfloor. After some evaluation, it's still structurally sound. I'll be reinforcing with 3/4 inch plywood and installing LVP over that. Thanks.

[@nataliaromanova9556]

Always good information and straight forward. Dealing with damaged floors thanks to a renter and this made me feel better. Thanks!

[@janey86]

Hi Jeff I love your way of talking ,teaching... you became my hero ! Everything is very truthful !

[@bowtieman55]

I couldn't have looked anywhere else for a more perfect demonstration on preparing bathroom subflooring at just the right time. Thanks Jeff.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Glad it was helpful! Best of success with your project Earl!

[@DM-uj1rb]

If you have mold, this is incorrect, and illegal.

[@mattschmidt4924]

Great video! We are tackling a water damaged subfloor and I I learned a lot from this. Thank you!

[@jbb5470]

Another great video Jeff! Very good detail and narrative. Thanks for posting, very helpful!!!

[@kggf-musicfeedsthesoul839]

I love how you showed how to go over the floor but I really would like to ‘see’ how you would cut out the bad part if needed. You talked about it really quickly so I had to rewind a lot to be sure I understood. Is there a video that shows this? Thanks so much!!!! Love your videos!

[@ariluv83]

I was coming here to say the exact same thing.

[@ShayBelladonna]

I just saw it under his video called “how to prep your subfloor for luxury vinyl flooring”! I literally just asked him this then found it after reviewing the videos that applied to the project I’m doing 😊

[@Chris-uu6dg]

Great thanks for the video excellent. I am tiling my bathroom floor, I wondered if its better to tile underneath the bath or is it not necessary? Thanks.

[@countrycuts5796]

I bet my bathroom issue is one you haven't see before lol. Appaently when the old farmhouse I live in, switched from an outhouse to indoor plumbing, their idea of a bathroom was putting 3 walls and a roof up, right against the house at the side door.. so the bathroom door, is actually still the original side door, including the window! When trying to change the bathtub, not only did I find a rotted floor, but also the reason it rotted to begin with... Apparently, the tub was still on the old grey water system... the overflow and waste water assembly, didn't go anywhere or attach to anything... there is a 4 foot hole under the floor boards, and that tis where the tub drained! No wonder the floor is so rotted! I wish you could see it, you would not believe it! lol

[@deletedaccount5250]

One of the best if not the best DIY teachers, you know how to get your point across to its desired effect. As in I understand what you say to do, and I think that’s the whole point. Thank you so much for being as you are, which is awesomeness. Your fan Ahmed from 🇺🇸 🌺❤️❤️

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Just happy to be of some help. Cheers!

[@giraffterbirth311]

Thanks for being awesome! You’ve taught me so much.

[@Beech1900pilot]

Question: do I still need 1.25 inches of plywood for floor tiles if I will be using an uncoupling membrane (I'm thinking Ditra by Schluter) on top of 3/4 inch OSB?

[@rpltdispatchtampa]

This video explained a lot in reference to my bathroom floor. Thank you!

[@arthah5536]

Hi Jeff. Thanks for your great videos. I just bought a house which has hardwood flooring over the old plank subfloor. I’m planning to install tiles on the floor. Should I remove the hardwood floor and install plywood before installing the tiles.what do you recommend.

[@ariluv83]

Great video! You're very knowledgeable and make everything easy to understand.

[@TURNKEYiNK]

I’m all for throwing down 3/4 inch on top of a 1/2 subfloor, but, how do you deal with clearances when, for example, you tiling a mud room, and the new height (1.25inch subfloor, ~5/8’s Tile & Thinset), prevents you from opening doors, the transition from laminate to tile is a tripping hazard, baseboards don’t line up, etc. Etc. Im still learning and appreciate your videos, but there are considerations to be made when making a 1 1/4 Sunfloor in an existing house. Please shed light on this. . Thanks.

[@MACTEPKBACC]

Awesome lesson dear teacher! Love your channel! Please, wear mask when spraying kilz!

[@WaterDamageUmbrellaCO.]

What do you recommend for making sure any mold issues are squashed before they become a major problem?

[@reedarcher8367]

Great video as usual. I have a rotten floor around the tub and toilet and am going to replace the plywood add ditra so I can tile with natural stone. Is it better to use two sheets of 5/8 or one sheet of 3/4 and one sheet of half inch? I read somewhere that the second sheet should be rotated 90 degrees so the strength is in the other direction? Thoughts?

[@shani1763]

Hello, do I have to put down plywood over the subfloor when using tile or can I just use an uncoupling membrane? I have the water damage under the kitchen sink, so we are repairing and tiling.

[@coop3601]

2 thumbs 👍🏽👍🏽 up for your superb knees!! I'm doing research on floor repairs & noticed your healthy knees!! I usually do minor home repairs in my home but unfortunately my knees are beginning to ache like hell!! Stay healthy & keep up the great work!

[@iancorzine]

Another great one Jeff!

[@delikat83]

Awesome job of explaining. Great job. Much love from Richard's painting Service INC. scarsdale NY

[@londascott1224]

Thanx Guys! So great to view a doable solution!😊

[@Gusoutgoing]

All your tips to make project go right. Thanks

[@cassandraleiva884]

I know absolutely nothing about home improvement but you make me feel like I can do it 😂😂

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I am quite sure you could Cassandra! Cheers!

[@teh60]

Just removed a lot of my flooring down to the subfloor. It’s a great feeling to finally get rid of the squeaks. Great tips.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

start from the very beginning....a very good place to start. Cheers!

[@tinawilliams802]

Hi watched your video as i was searching for help with my 1st floor apartment kitchen floor. 75% of the floor is warped and i wanted to try and do it myself. Any advice or is there a link for another one of your videos that would be helpful?

[@user-gi3xj8nz3s]

You put on great video keep up the good work. I noticed you used a longer drill bit to screw is this a better option than a normal drill bit for screws ? What drill bits do you recommend?

[@1rudeboy12]

Love the calk gun, thanks Jeff.

[@robertgibbs5022]

Hey man, just found your channel, love your videos!

[@kingstonefish]

Hey there, I really enjoyed your video. We paid for a professional to do our floors and they didn’t finish! So am working on this and am planning how to go about it. Joists are good but floor gets cold in colder months do you recommend the insulated subflooring?

[@JMonty215]

Nice job jeff good to know thank you

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Always glad to help.Cheers!

[@edwooodfork]

Jeff, I'm both excited and nervous to get my bathroom reno under way. I'm replacing a phone booth style shower with a tube and shower combo. The pan is leaking onto the floors, which are the wrong type. One question i have is can I apply Red Gard to the plywood floor??

[@Mixwell1983]

I have that problem from my upstairs shower and lucky I have a drop ceiling so taking the tiles out my floor is okay but I can see wet spots. I need to stop it and silicone around the pan didnt do anything. I think I have to re tile the 1st 3 courses that meet with the shower pan.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

that is why we preach having a waterprooof membrane like a redgaurd is soooo important. once you start the siphon you can't stop it. Cheers!

[@reeder611]

Do you have a video that shows how to remove and replace the rotted plywood? I know you mentioned how to do it in the video, but I think it would be helpful to actually see you do it. Thanks!

[@veo16]

If I’m renting out an apartment is this my concern or will it take more than a couple years to manifest? I just moved in and noticed some small peeling on walls under the dishwasher and near the fridge. Both in areas not visible during normal daily activities. But curious if I should do something about it or not.

[@y0us3rn4m3]

I see copper drain pipe in the far wall. Is that code? I had to replace some in my house with pvc, but I still have the vertical sections.

[@5wisher5weet]

I watch a lot of your stuff, the sound of a dewalt impact driver is tattooed to my brain

[@VP411Designs]

Can you use Ditra over a newly installed hardie backer board for shower or areas of water plumbing? Is this too much of a over kill or ok to do? Or possible to do? Or will this harm anything

[@rcarrico103]

Can this be done on a mobile home floor also. I have an older mobile home (1980) so the subfloor is that particleboard. I just want to reinforce the floor under my washer and dryer and I don't want to spend a lot because honestly, I want to move in the not so distance future.

[@samandsabraturner]

Jeff-After the video, did you go ahead and make the floor under the tub ten ply as well? I’m assuming you did, but just want to make sure!

[@dragonrider9051]

I was going to make yt series but you do so well. Cheers man to the craft

[@Sbrer]

If you know there is mold, ain’t Ing over it with Kimzey doesn’t negate any mold growing on the bottom side in the floor/wall cavity. Leaks in your HVAC can suck and blow those spores into other parts of the house. Fix it right and replace the moldy wood.

[@ecnopeponce2780]

I would go as far to seal whole floor and use adhesive on whole back side of new plywood.

[@toddmoriarty97]

What type of screw head do you use on your subfloor screws? Phillips head? Square head? And how long?

[@Kulrich456]

You're videos are wonderful! Okay I have a bathroom that was put in where a room was once. I can see no water damage under the tub, but the floors from the tub to the wall where the toilet and sink are, is bowing. What I can see is they did not put plywood sub floor down they just kept the floor boards from the room and then added backer board, followed by tile. I believe that the sub floor is not supporting in all locations and needs to be pulled up re supported and then put plywood, backer board, and then tiled again. Do you think this is the right direction to go?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

wood does what wood does. i would install bracing between joists and strapping under them in order to disperse load and prevent bowing of structural lumber.

[@YellinHelenP]

Could you have poured self-leveling concrete to encapsulate since the floorboards were still strong? I have all this substrate glue and junk and don't dare sand considering the mold, but figure the leveling cement will do the trick of getting it smooth and encapsulating.

[@Semaj.18272]

Any tips for. A spray or an oil that I can polish my Tomber flors woth bevaue I have the same Robson near the bedroom entrance .. I had lost of water under my home subfloor and it’s fired no but this what it caused a sloppy and Lioe weak floor

[@Susan70003]

I have some black left from roof a water leak. A lot of boards were replaced. But some just have black stain and were not replaced. Will Kilz hold up in a hot attic if I spray over this black? Being in a confined attic space maybe I should roll on kilz?

[@abilinc]

Hey Jeff! Great video. My washer leaked a bunch of water into my second floor it came out the ceiling downstairs. Any words of advice on how to fix the water damage?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

open things up to dry as best as possible. use a fan. then don't be too concerned about closing up after a few days.

[@scotto8199]

how did you make sure the new bathroom floor wasn't taller than the other?

[@missbraxton2899]

Thank you so much for this.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Always happy to thep the Jasmines of the world. Cheers!

[@redyumi6441]

Wonderful! Beautiful!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Thanks Red Yumi, glad you liked it. Cheers!

[@superiorbeing95]

Excellent video yet again Jeffrey

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Thank you. I hope this is helpful. Cheers!

[@PrestoSign]

I see you are you using that Milwaukee marker. They're great aren't they? I just picked up my first pack this week. Much longer lasting than Sharpies. Did you talk about them in a video yet? I've probably watched 6 hours of your videos. Great teaching! Thank you so much. I'm working on my first bathroom renovation and your videos have been a great help. Thank you, Jeff!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

always glad to help. Cheers!

[@bftigdd]

hey jeff , can i use cement board instead of the new subfloor so i dont have to do scratch coat and then tiles

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

not sure how the substrate changes the tile install, but yes in many cases you can. Cheers!

[@samuelfeguer]

I didn't google how to repair water or mold damage, I'm just a lowly peasant, here to give thanks to the great Jeff Thorman who so graciously bestows his knowledge to the masses. Praise be!!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

LOL, always glad to help. Cheers Samuel!

[@huuamai8151]

Amen

[@ShayBelladonna]

Well, you’ve answered my question here 😊

[@daveherron5832]

Another great video. I really enjoy them and I've learned a lot. I just have one question. On almost every video I see you driving screws with what looks like a 6" or 8" bit. What brand are they? I'd like to buy a few. Seem to be quality.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I picked them up at home depot. I like the size as it reduces my bending over and compensates for my height. Cheers!

[@jonglee8776]

Hey Jeff, I have a very small patch on the bathroom plywood subfloor (corner by the tub) that has partially rotted out. The rest of the subfloor is great. Do you think I can use a Henry 345 premixed patch and level to go over the small rotted patch and then put the Schluter Ditra and then tile? Thanks, love your videos!!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

no need to patch it. if you can't push a pencil through it then just add cement and ditra. Cheers! At least that is what I would do. You be you!

[@AD-jf7pk]

So i have some subfloor plywood Thats probably a good 20 yrs old. I ripped up tile and the mortar.... but there are areas that the wood was definitely water damaged to the point its chipped away and gone. Is it ok to cover it up with a new piece like you did here or should it be ripped out and replaced? No mold. Not weak in my opinion but the integrity of the board is comprised for sure. Area is near a tub / shower

[@msijka]

Judging by the box in the video at 6:28 the screws are Paulin #8x2 1/2 Flat Head Square Drive Phosphate Floor Screws from Home Depot. Can't find them in the US stores though.

[@ShotgunAndAShovel]

ty so much for these videos.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers , Our pleasure!

[@allthingsMarika]

Hubby and I bought our home a little over a year & a half ago and right away noticed that our kids bathroom was leaking around the shower into the garage. We caulked the area until we were ready financially to renovate. I knew we had a bigger issue when the bathroom tiles would move around as we walk. We also noticed that the toilet was not being held down to anything! Low and below, I ripped out the shower, and starting removing the tiles, and there this black ashy soot like thing on the subfloor. Plus there’s mold. Plus the subfloor is so rotted that it’s literally flaking off. What should we do??

[@CyndiLH]

Love your vids! Can you also make one to show how to remove and replace a section of the subfloor around the toilet flange? Thanks!!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

one of these days I am sure! Cheers!

[@donnahenthorn7109]

Yeah, me too please?

[@CrazyBeeyaach]

Me three!!

[@EmergencyGuy]

I’m not doing a bathroom renovation, but instead a swing set project involving cutting the supports on my old playhouse, which I outgrew, to save the playhouse from complete destruction. The swing set itself, as well as the sand play area, will be removed. The wood from the swing set and the frame of the sand play area will be used as firewood. The swings themselves, as well as the ropes holding them in place, will be burned on the burn pile at my dad’s business. However, the burn pile is on residential property. Not commercial property. And I have the best vehicle for the job. The John Deere XUV855D Gator 4x4.

[@Esiddik]

HELPPPPP!!!! trying to repair my squeaky floors, I have 3/8 hardy board on top of 5/8 plywood. And I tried 1 5/8 screws and it did nothing!!!! Should I do 2in ? What am I doing wrong 😢

[@javierarencibia6658]

Great video thanks

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Thank you javier! Cheers!

[@Canonjac]

Hey jeff I have a stubborn squeek/crackling that wont go away in my subfloor. I've put countless flooring screws into the area and it doesnt seem to want to go away. Any tips? also i have access from above and beneath. Cheers from brockville

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

add blocking from underneath to reduce the size of the plywood sq footage. it should work. Cheers!

[@pumpjackmcgee4267]

If you spread PL over the new sheet of plywood, could you use fewer screws?

[@cd1071]

What circular saw would you recommend to purchase?

[@lennygriffin4464]

Extremely knowledgeable

[@kimchee94112]

I had a contractor install a single sheet of rolled vinyl for the bathroom floor that was originally clean, free of mold and water intrusion a few years ago. You would think the floor glue and solid vinyl on top would sealed it but when I remove the flooring there were heavy black mold throughout underneath. Which leads me thinking that spray paint aint going to kill any mold long term. And then when I thought my 1-1/8" sub floor was rock solid with no external sign of water damage other than in a tiny corner area by visual inspection and by jumping on it, termites were feasting on the internal layers. It's like cancer you just remove more and more subfloor till no sign of damage and hope it doesn't run underneath the walls into the next rooms.

[@cbaughman07]

What kind of screws are you using for the flooring? I tried researching laminate screws and flooring screws at my local Home Depot and didn’t see ones like you mentioned, though there was one close one but it had plastic on the top quarter of the screw. Thanks!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Not sure what to say except in My home depot the box says flooring screws on the package.

[@badaspunkbtch]

Looking to purchase a home with good foundation, good floor joists but the floor bounces when we walk on it. Looking for advice from you because I trust you. I searched through your videos but didn't find this topic.

[@rathman4601]

I'm a bit confused. Wasn't the old subfloor flushed with the threshold or the camera angle makes it look like it's flushed? How come the new plywood still flushed with the threshold?

[@colonelsly]

i gotta stop watching your videos, you always make me want to renovate something lol ... can't wait what you have planned for us this summer... good job! as usual!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

we were filming today and loving the new job site. Cheers!

[@leifprice8836]

Summer is a good time to do renovations as there is almost no chance of your building products getting wet from the elements.

[@sergioramirez4248]

Hi Jeff hows it going.? I’m renovating my bathroom and I’m starting my demolition. The subfloor is uneven. How can I fix the subfloor? Also how do I get your number?

[@rcknqt]

I have one old board where the back of my toilet sits (1950?). Should I pull toilet and do thisprocedure everywhere except for where new tub will be? Gonna lay nice Pergo floating floor. Thank you!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

as long as the board is strong it can be sealed and worked on top of. Cheers!

[@stevek4080]

If you haven't purchased the Pergo yet, I'd consider using "luxury" vinyl plank instead. I have Pergo in part of my house (including the kitchen) and think it looks pretty good, but I think that the vinyl planks are better suited for areas that are likely to get wet. Just my $.02

[@raulortega5883]

Awesome thanks!!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Glad to help Raul. Cheers!

[@RalphSampson...]

What about the wood floor in the hallway? You left it black, soft, and growing mold. Will that correction be another video?

[@katiefulton9456]

ralph sampson the majority of my home flooring is this aforementioned black soft and probably growing mold. I’m...shutting down.

[@thestomach]

How do you handle the transition in height from the hardwood, which is angling down to the old flooring surface, to the now-higher tiled surface?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I prefer to use a marble sill in such situations. cheers!

[@eyesplice17]

will regular (dewax) spray shellac work as well as Kilz?

[@muddolivett7561]

Hi, DIY'er Here in 2021. Could you please advise what fastens, specifically, you used to renovate this flooring? The label was just out of focus. Also, observing different floor levels. What might do to address this, provided the flooring/underlayment itself is in good condition? Any insight or reference to your other videos will be most welcome. Tnx. And keep on advising. You do it well.

[@rrob8344]

What’s a good sealent/primer to remove pet urine from the subfloor before installing hardwoods ?

[@DM-uj1rb]

You cant just apply a primer to cover an odor. If you do, the odor WILL come back. Depending on how saturated the plywood got, you may have to remove it completely.

[@P-Dawg-01]

Hey Jeff! Love your channel! Was wanting to find out if I could send you an email of a picture of my subfloor that I found between my shower and our closet between the wall. Would like to describe what I thought about doing and get some pointers. This crap can be scary looking so I just want to touch base with someone who knows and who has seen this before (hopefully lol).

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

What's the silicone you used? I can't figure out what's what I'm your links list. Thank you so much‼️ 😃

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

OK watched n froze, it's pl premium Thanks again 😃👍

[@H3001]

Hi Jeff, I am amazed by the professionalism of your videos. Amazing ! Keep up the good work, cheers from Belgium, Europe.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Thank you and Cheers to Belgium!

[@Nsingh11]

Hi, I have a oversized washroom trying to make it into two washrooms. For toilet drainage, sink, n shower should I call a plumber or just go with the renovation contractor who does it himself.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Make the contractor break down the job so you have a quote for the plumbing work. Then make sure he is getting a permit and inspected. see nif he still wants to be responsible then.

[@brandonjones1991]

After watching this video i want to tackle my bathroom. My second floor bathroom leaked into my dining room. I went to home Depot and they suggested using a cement board. Should i just use that or use plywood then cement board overtop?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Personally I find that cement board as a backer for floors is more difficult to work with than plywood. However in both cases the install technique is the same for tile over top. Cheers!

[@ColonelK0rn1]

Jeff, can you shoot a video on brick repairs? I have some loose bricks around my house and entryway and don't know how to properly repair them with mortar or any other adhesive that doesn't look like Liquid Nails.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

One of these days, i am sure we will get there. Cheers!

[@jasoncampbell1152]

Jeff I love your channel I am currently remodeling an entire house gutted it down to structural walls it is a crawl space floor and cant convince my wife to run water lines in the attic what type of pipe do you recommend for running in the crawl space for water lines I live in Arkansas so I get 4 months of freeze and thaw or how about a video of your thoughts on each type pros and cons of water line I'm about to start that process from the water meter through the whole house thanks once again I love your videos given me all sorts of ideas and sent me back to fix things I had wrong before it was to late lol

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

pex is the best performer in freeze thaw scenarios, however make sure to keep the plumbing on the interior of the air and vapor barrier so it does not freeze. also insulate the crawl space walls and add a heat source to avoid freezing. cheers!

[@zorroonmilkavitch1840]

Keep screwing till the noise is gone ... always works when I'm screwing I've noticed!

[@HOTRODRICO]

dam beat me to it lol

[@zacharystevens6569]

Great video 👌🏻

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Thank you Zachary! Cheers!

[@TheNorthenLight]

I got a question. Is there a way to fix Bathtub crack inside area where you put your feet. Thx.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

an acrylic repair can be done but only if the crack is not associated with the drain. Then you need to have access from underneath to do the repair as well. Cheers!

[@MrDportjoe]

Ran afoul of the problem due to sneaky toilet supply leak, got that fixed. Then Ipeeled back the sheet vinyl to find OMG gone subfloor. As I am older and slower (and my cars too small to haul the stuff). am in process of finding outer limits of rot and getting mold abated for safer work for the person who will do the install of the patch. Just hope I'm not looking at any joist issues as this up stairs bath.