The Graves parents being "parents" compilation [TCOAAL EP 2 & EP 1]

[@Flopamine]

Important: The video doesn't have audio in some parts due to copyrights, not sure who is doing this but will update later. Original comment: The cope is real (Mrs. Graves is still hot and i envy her husband). Edit: I forgot to include the scene at midnight which Mrs. Graves could have said something about Ashley to Andrew, but interrupted and being held at gun point by Ashley, Mrs. Graves must have had something such important that she needed to talk to Andrew alone that night. Also Mrs. and Mr Graves could have had a date night if it hadn't been for Ashley and Andrew invading their home (she bought meat and wine), can't really say this detail proves Mrs. Graves actually fancies her husband more than just a play thing or not, since she forced him into other kinky stuffs and pretty much any other thing, but maybe it's something in between.

[@ConfusionUwU]

@@realghost04 SHE’S REAL TO ME!!!!!!

[@MiserableMuon]

​@@realghost04 tell that to NSFW artists.

[@Ur.audio.lad-]

im aromantic yet Mrs. Graves still worked her charm on me (im inside ur walls)

[@Gloobus2057]

Mrs. Graves is an instant smash frfr

[@TK-Commander-5672]

Sadly, *was* hot 😔

[@Welcometotheslam5424]

I’m honestly curious about the father. His extreme constant-tiredness and lack of emotion doesn’t just seem to be a gag, but an indication of extreme depression even. He doesn’t even seem to be living, but in a constant state of mental and emotional fatigue and fog, only breaking out at extremely rare moments. It’s honestly… sad? Like, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s revealed that, in a similar sense to Andrew, the father is actually a lot more innocent than what things initially seem. Edit: Also, I need to point out, but when Andrew talks to him in the flashback memory on the balcony, the father immediately reassures Andrew that he’s not going to jump off when he says goodbye. The fact that the father’s FIRST THOUGHT is to reassure his son that he won’t kill himself seems to me that he WAS actually contemplating suicide at that moment. Mind you, this is also after the father supposedly got fired from his job, so there’s a chance that losing his job might’ve been the straw that broke the camel’s back for him. So, yeah. On top of being possibly clinically depressed, he might also have been genuinely suicidal on some level.

[@housewilma4904]

the chair in there bedroom and the third bed downstairs seem to imply the father is in a "open relationship" with the mother aka she gets to sleep around and he gets to just watch. so he feels literally worthless and depressed to the point he dosernt even try to be a father cause he feels like he isnt one. he just does what ever his wife wants without question even if it makes him misreable because she occasionally will act sweet with him "oh your too good for that job" its honestly another form of toxic relationship like there kids but in reverse a disloyal yet still hyper controlling and narc mom and a depressed dissascoiated husk of a father.

[@louzo5175]

andrew is alot like dad without the mental fog i think the parts were hes a bit sothiopathic n has control its the parts he inherited from mom, so dad dud not have that dad was 100% just.. blank him

[@aetu35]

andrew definitely isnt innocent as he is clearly down bad for ashley and is in on whatever she does despite his guilty conscience but yeah if i had to guess the father is not in control of anything and that has been eating at his soul for years to the point where now his alive and soulless version are scarcely distinguishable

[@Welcometotheslam5424]

@@housewilma4904 I don’t think so. The mother seems to genuinely love her husband, if her angry reaction to Ashley cutting him, and the implication that the 2 spirits are meant to represent them is any indication. I think that extra bed was meant to be for Andrew, since they still wanted him as family while they hated Ashley and wanted her gone.

[@aetu35]

@@Welcometotheslam5424 the spare bed might just be for guests too

[@Mephil]

Ashley seem to have been completely ignored by the family. To the point where she had to eat dinner in her room while andrew ate with the family (as seen in Ashley's dream). We can also see this continuing kind of during their surprise visit, because the only one who doesn't get a proper chair at the dinner table is Ashley, who has to sit furthest away from the parents on a stepladder instead.

[@UltraStarWarsFanatic]

It's probably a metaphor.

[@Arakitasgirl]

And yet ppl wonder why she so fucked up

[@IAmTheGuyWhoAsked]

A stepladder? Damn.

[@FridayViviene]

I went back to watch the scene... and indeed you are right.

[@half-elf9555]

17:23 I actually find it super fucked up that Ms. Greaves assumes the only reason Andrew could possibly care about his own sibling is if he was banging her. Especially when considering how she neglected Ashley as a kid, and all the... escapades she gets up to with her husband, it really looks like she can only see love as something that goes alongside sex.

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

@ElZacariand when he had his hand in her pocket in the kitchen

[@UneOpening]

Plus she was like 15 when she gave birth

[@Triskelion345]

Well to be fair they tied her up

[@Cloud_Seeker]

She might not even have any sympathy for her actions. As far as I see. She might not think she are in the wrong until it goes way out of hand.

[@nouhorni3229]

Shortly before, he had his hand in her belt loop and then he was hiding a boner with her kneeling before him. The mom acknowledged both times that they were uncomfortably close. Wasn't really a bad take from her there.

[@Pudding404]

Last name, "graves." Andrew and Ashley planned on getting forgotten if the harvesting went as intended, the parents not getting graves either as they were eaten and disposed of. Ironic comedy. Love it.

[@Zekart]

Still not as good as "Shittersons" written on one of the doors.

[@Inverted_Wings]

Another thing I noted was that Ashley seems to be so neglected by the parents she decides to rebel just out of spite. For example, watching Hypergore Splatterbrain 2 just because she's not allowed to. That might've been one of the main cause of her being so desensitized to these things later on.

[@seiten0verkehrt374]

Not necessarily, watching a movie or in general doing something you're not allowed to do seems like a thing many children would do. cough* including me...

[@Inverted_Wings]

@@seiten0verkehrt374 True that XD But what I meant is that young Ashley loved watching especially gor*y r rated movie. It started as an act of rebel, but overtime it seems to play a huge part in desensitizing her as she was (probably) constantly exposed to it at such a young age

[@seiten0verkehrt374]

@@Inverted_Wings Oh, somehow missed that part of your comment. Anyways, I think you're right but instead of it being a main reason I think its just one of the many reasons why Ashley is... Ashley, a tar soul who managed to summon a demon on her first try.

[@nidbahn]

@@seiten0verkehrt374 the mother was a tar soul as well, except it "didn't quite hatch". When it comes to Ashley, well... I think no explanation is needed on why her tar soul hatched to be very dark.

[@seiten0verkehrt374]

@@nidbahn Exactly what I said. Ashley... is Ashley. Anyone who questions her morals doesn't understand that something like that shouldn't be discussed in a story about cannibalism... and others. There also isn't much of a point in discussing how she became like that (aside from it being fun) because there're countless reasons why and how an innocent child mutated into the monster know as Ashley. PS: Sry if my tone sounds a bit harsh in this comment👉👈

[@LanaIsUnderrated]

Fun fact you can only see the dads face a total of 2 times actually drawn out in a cutscene And both times he has the EXACT same expression (one time on the stairs, and one time when the mother talks about the thing)

[@AircoDHK]

You made me realize that it's the dad that has the pink eyes and the mom that has the faint green ones so I think when we see their souls it's actually the dad that's got a tar soul because if you look closely the other one has faint green eyes 3:50. And it would also coincide with the fact that in this family pink eyes=psychopath

[@-victim.]

@@AircoDHK so you meant to say that the dad could be a ex-hitman?

[@-victim.]

​@@AircoDHKor an assassin?

[@AircoDHK]

@-victim. idk much more honestly but at least I think we should not take his inaction during the events shown by the game as proof that he is just a dumb husband who only follows what his wife says

[@theblasblas]

@@AircoDHK Or, you know, all the tar souls just have red eyes and all the normal ones have grey-ish ones?

[@gabrielengelmann7834]

Andrew had to cook and take care of his younger sister, he wasn't just Ashley's brother he was father, mother and first romantic interest. It's no wonder that Ashlei hated her brother's girlfriends so much, it practically became a question of survival, without Andrew she had no one to talk to or take care of her, I imagine just Andrew at Julia's house, while Ashley had to be alone with a mother who did nothing but antagonize her.

[@SunLovinSolaire]

Thank you!

[@AShortDork]

The ending where *that* vision makes sense now.

[@DylanJo123]

I don't know much about anti social psychology but i think Ashley and Andrew would have had a better chance at being normal people if their parents weren't fuck ups. maybe Ashley would have been able to control her sociopathic tendencies

[@gabrielengelmann7834]

@@DylanJo123 I really believe that Ashley is a sociopath, I know a lot of people who have parents similar to Andrew and Ashley and none of them would think of doing what Ashley did, but I'm sure that in a functional family Ashley would certainly at least be a girl with social problems and at most a bitch, but not a serial killer.

[@CannoliSlugYT]

​@@gabrielengelmann7834 Also not how Hollywood treats ppl with mental diseases as crazy freaks.

[@T-h-a-t_G-u-y]

“Andrew weren’t you supposed to be masturbating” that caught me off guard

[@Dwight.DEisenHower]

that's the only line i'm quoting off that game.

[@PopcornFang]

I totally dont know why he said that (I’m 100 percent not an addict)

[@TeaCakePony]

Most normal line in tcoaal

[@judesliggoo]

@@PopcornFang nobody needs to hear about your problems lil bro, Andrews dad said that because in the previous scene he was rummaging through their toy drawer and said it's for him as an excuse

[@santinor.c.1365]

ain't no way her mother just said "Cry about it" to her face hahahaha

[@The-su4pj]

the ultimate gamer response

[@ctnke]

gigachad response

[@UBvtuber]

timestamp? Wait, nvm it's at 11:15

[@rockcaster1091]

"skill issue lol" -mrs graves

[@fiiipgames7389]

"Mom please we're starving here!!" "cope."

[@silverkujo]

I can't possibly imagine falling for Mrs. Graves, an apology at that point doesn't solve everything or make anything better. I have zero pity for parents like her.

[@ravelnavarro9625]

but shes hot!!

[@somelolicon293]

to be fair, there’s people falling for the murderous cannibalistic ritualistic incestuous siblings, so it wouldn’t be too hard to imagine falling for the mom

[@hugzar9797]

at least she donst eat people

[@boredboi6279]

She probably found the perfect guy who has just barely enough spine to keep his back in place just like Andy and ley ley

[@squido64]

Idk man, she's cute

[@vialle7851]

Mrs Graves just seem a lot like a slightly more stable Ashley while Mr Graves seem like a more pushover Andrew

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

*ding ding ding* You get it! this is a beautifully horrible story, and true to life. the parents raised the children how they lived.

[@mrfandangos.4394]

and she was very protective about mr graves

[@seiten0verkehrt374]

Well, many tales tell that all children eventually surpass their parents. Just as we can see here...

[@idk-rl4he]

even andrew knew that his dad was like him

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

@@idk-rl4heall we need to find out now is that their parents were siblings

[@ImBored-Yes]

"Mother would like to gouge your eyes out and feed them to you" that line hits hard

[@ADcommenter]

Damn, they inherited their toxic relationship AND their horniness

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

Pretty much, I'm still amazed at how people are still trying to find the "good guy" in this story.

[@alachedelmictlan648]

I have the theory they are horny cuz they haven't had any chance to have an intimate relationship in their lives. Ashley just keeps patronizing Andrew because she's unable to have any other stable relationship perse, and he most likely have always been unable to get to that point with his girlfriends because of Ashley's harrassment towards them. Add that they're together all the time and it would've been quite hard for it to not end in incest.

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

@@alachedelmictlan648 so they're horny? it doesn't have to be a paragraph to explain that they want sex and are also completely isolated from anyone else.

[@ADcommenter]

@@alachedelmictlan648 That's the exact circumstance that causes incest to breed.

[@alachedelmictlan648]

@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272 I'm saying they're maybe not just horny or, rather, not necessarily horny but since they have grown up this way, they come up as horny since they maybe couldn't steam this part of their development without the other coming around somehow. Ashley is always expresing that she wants Andrew for herself since they were kids, I'm sure that would've include their teenage years when the attraction towards whatever starts showing and being understated. Honestly, this is just a thought about their psyque bc I wanted to dig deeper. Also, this came up to me at 1 am, I'm tired u.u

[@Mcree114]

Mrs. Graves seems to have the same obsessive and domineering relationship with her husband as Ashley has with Andrew. I'd bet 15 y/o Mrs. Graves was such an obsessive yandere psycho with her high school sweetheart that she intentionally got pregnant to entrap him into marriage.

[@Flopamine]

sound like some anime plot to me, hell the author said this game took place in the 90s somewhere in nothern Europe but kept adding weebs shits, not gonna complain tho.

[@xennomorph]

That's almost looks like it, she even had that typical yandere hairstyle.

[@realghost04]

shes no better than ashley fr 💀

[@AninAqiAudi]

Yeah some people have a theory that in Ashley’s dream, after the sacrificing, the ‘would-be tar soul’ in love with the white soul is their mother and father. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the mother wasn’t as good of a person

[@Jump-Shack]

@@Flopamine it taking in northern Europe explains quite a lot of stuff

[@Timeward76]

17:50 I just have to commend ashley for probably only overhearing part of what they were talking about, and immediately take the chance to make their mom even more uncomfortable. You can see it on her smug grin as she rushes down the stairs

[@dokuganryu1565]

Oh, there's no "probably". She admits it to Andrew right before going to sleep.

[@edfmed1080]

Kid Andrew was such an angel, he didn't deserve all this.

[@FallenHero85]

Tbf the youngest we see her, Ashley is just a bit of a rebellious gremlin, like most kids, if they were raised better, they both probably would've turned out pretty decent.

[@elidhanMC]

yeah, say, did Mrs. Graves not have any family or adult relative whatsoever? She gave birth when she was just 15/17, would've been better for everyone if she let her parents raise the two or smth

[@paranormaldoctor5451]

@@elidhanMC Yeah but then she couldnt trap her husband in a marriage

[@MaskedEmperor18]

Not to mention he was a bright student constantly getting praised by his teachers.

[@Casper1993]

For people to assume that Mr. Graves is "lucky" I'm pretty sure him getting jiggy with his wife is probably the only thing the dude has going on for him to stay alive seeing how his situation is. The dude obviously contemplated suicide to the point that he unnecessarily reassured Andrew he wasn't going to jump off a balcony after losing his job when that wasn't even Andrew's concern to begin with. And being the guy who can't even get a CG during his own dialogue, the dude shows a high level of dissociation when communicating with his family which in turn could insinuate that he is self conscious and nervous. Seeing how his wife is, it's best to hypothesize that Mrs. Graves is the shot caller a.k.a. The "Man" of the family. She controls him as well as everything else that goes on around them. She made the choices and all he is her is a walking dildo and a person to scrounge money off of on the side. TLDR: Dude just gets laid but is really unlucky at everything else in his life.

[@Hazewhite]

Don't know about that, she seems to actually like him, reassuring that he was too good for the job he got fired from, if Ashley cuts him she gets really mad at her and in the decay route I think you can see a yet to be hatched tar soul with a white soul and they are affectionate with each other.

[@soyderiverdeliverybeaver8941]

Their souls literally love each other. We are shown that much. Its clear despite both being really fucked in their own way they are a genuine couple

[@Casper1993]

@Noname-mi1oo alot of people take their jobs seriously because that's what keeps them from hitting rock bottom. People kill themselves for less reasons.

[@Lazarultos]

@Noname-mi1oo That's a really narrow way of looking at self-harm. Usually at the point that someone is considering ending it all because something bad happens, it's just the straw that broke the camel's back, the final part of a series of bad shit that breaks them and makes them wonder if death is preferable to continue trying to push through the suffering that is their life. By the time a person is actually considering that, it's likely because it seems like all of the other better options keep getting torn away from them.

[@boredboi6279]

@@Casper1993 yeah cause when you loose your job that could be it for you who knows when you'll get another one

[@Xiiki]

I love how both Mr Graves and Andrew are both doormats, like father like son I guess.

[@frosttoros663]

The fact that Mrs.Graves gave birth when she was 15 and 17 years old💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@thebigflop3118]

The deadbeat dad rizz is too strong 😳😳😳

[@jetspull5064]

@@thebigflop3118 But the dad seems like a fucking pussy man. He literally couldn't stand for himself and it's Mrs.Graves the one who do the talk. Probably Mrs.Graves manipulated (or baby trap) him to stay with her, knowing how fucking cold she was too her own kids at such young age.

[@_jackal9262]

she a fast one

[@avathorman5781]

If only if Mr. and Mrs. Graves had worn protection or had went with alternatives, Mrs. Graves wouldn’t have given as a teenager and waited until she’s older.

[@fwoop4848]

@@avathorman5781 Frr she complains about having to take care of the siblings at such a young age but it was completely her and the dads fault for being so irresponsible

[@fabianbarreto2713]

I remember that there is a Japanese artist called VtbkKf who drew Andrew and Ashley as two cats. I passed it to my friend and he said "The Mother would be the owner who abandoned them on the street"

[@davidcenturion961]

Deep 🚬

[@fabianbarreto2713]

@@davidcenturion961 Oh I almost forgot, he also draws Andrew muscle... for some reason

[@emperorcaligula9098]

He also drew hentai of Ashley and Andrew.

[@fabianbarreto2713]

​@@emperorcaligula9098and he does it with the same scratch and bite marks on the Siflings' bodies

[@guycrew3973]

@@fabianbarreto2713 what muscles? The guy been starving for months

[@poddopetals]

17:23 My mom was the saaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. She constantly tried to hammer that down to me. Horrible woman. I noticed this in the game immediately because I'm so familiar with it IRL. Shame that so many people call this game bad or badly written when it's just such a good and wonderfully made depiction of unhealthy, codependent families.

[@Walt97]

Real, the game is absolutely onto psychotic, unhealthy, desperate people and their relationships, sad that mfs made it just a “oh it’s this game with incest”, even tho it makes it actually better, in terms of showing how insanely fucked up Ashley and Andrew are

[@poddopetals]

​@@Walt97 YEAH EXACTLY like i've never seen a piece of media, or even anyone online in mental health spaces acknowledge that a lot of abusive parents are the ones who actually push their children to hurt each other specifically in _this_ way. It is more common than it seems, at least in Asia.

[@Ultrkill_80127]

@@Walt97HOLY SHIT FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME

[@Turin_Inquisitor]

What? Your mom tried to hammer down that you fucked your sister?

[@Dressyone223]

Your mom tried to push the idea that you and your sibling were in a relationship? Why would she do that?

[@NewBeginnerVN]

The Graves's family is truly one of a dysfunctional family of all time.

[@PastaManEnjoyer]

The final boss of dysfunctional families

[@thetoyodacar2264]

Mrs. Graves apology made no sense to begin with. She admitted to it being an insurance *SCAM* which means she knew they were alive, and then proceeds to claim she had no idea about them being alive?

[@APlatypus]

Considering the apartment went up in flames, they didn’t know they made it out

[@Flopamine]

@@APlatypus The fake death certificates confirmed her child died due to parasites 3 months ago, while the fire happened somewhere around a week or a few days ago, and the news spread on tv just a week after their escape, Mrs. Graves also answered a few last phone calls from Ashley when she and her bro were left to starve, so the mom knew, and she tried to ignore it.

[@APlatypus]

@@Flopamine didn’t they learn the apartment burnt down before they showed up at their new place?

[@Flopamine]

​@@APlatypus The mom used the apartment burnt down situation to hide the fact that she sold them to organ harvesters, she knew her child 'died' of parasites 3 months ago because of the fake death certificates, you can't connect the dots here?

[@nachomolaolivera7580]

You're messing things out. Those are 2 separate actions with no correlation to each other. 1) The mother gets notice of the quarantine and then has the bright idea of making an insurance scam. There the kids were alive and she knew that. But it's to take notice that the quarantine itself wasn't planned by the mom and was instead handled by that evil corporation. 2) Then the evil corporation takes notice of the sibling's deeds and makes a cover up with fire. There the mother has NO idea of what actually happened since the company was trying to just bury everything. It's the fire that makes her believe the children were death.

[@sebastianfilip6459]

What nobody seems to be talking about when it comes to this story , is how smart Andrew actually is . He manages to make a plans very quickly and execute them quite well , he manages to escape a quarantined building which is guarded by policemen(I assume) armed with mellee weapons and firearms . He manages , while caring for an overgrown child , to evade the autorithes , avoids being killed by an assasin , and manages to murder their parents( technically Ashley did it ), leaving little to no trace of the crime that just took place . Also , he manages to get all the money from the credit card that their mom owned . Now that's impressive

[@UBvtuber]

She was the one who told him about the assassin because of her vision, although i guess he could have just written it off as a bad dream.

[@whirlwindtech1583]

Initially feeling weird about how the ending where i trusted my gut and didnt trust ms graves on my first playthrough actually makes alot more sense now. you can just tell its all lies

[@edfmed1080]

Its kinda f'd how the mother just couldn't see Andrew just loving his sister, without receiving some "compensation" in exchange.

[@tomhsia4354]

I don't know when that birthday scene happened in the timeline. It's just pure wholesomeness without any hint of toxocity (save that wish, of course), Ashley is being extremely understanding of Andrew here and not trying to overstep at all. "Oh you're on a budget, fine I'll take the horrible muffins." "I did not ask for anything better because I thought you specifically wanted the lemon muffins." She also did not express any jealousy over Andrew getting proper birthday parties and is coping by claiming she didn't care for brithday parties anyway. Wait a minute. We know demons are real in the game. It's possible Ashley became like that because of her birthday wish. She basically cursed themsleves without knowing it. Maybe the key to their redemption is another lemon muffin cake and a wish. This scene seems to imply that Ashley was not always the manipulative sociapathic murder gremlin like the mother claims. Did those horrifically violent movies have anything to do with her change? The comment on her friends seem to suggest she was osterized in school as well, that definately had a negative impact. Was she bullied in school? I agree with the assesment that Ashley became what she is because of a total lack of actual parenting. That part of Ashley still lingers as demonsted by the apple soda. The "G-goodbye, Ashley... I'm sorry..." is EXTREMELY damning. When I saw that I knew the parents would not get a good ending. Them leaving the apartment is fine by my books. I know if I was in the same situation my parents would try to leave as well... just so they can provide material support from the outside and try to extricate me using their connections. I don't know how to interpret the fact that the mother stammered and hesistated when saying that. Maybe she still had a little bit of a conscience left? She is still an unhatched tar soul, after all. 17:09 I think the things that tipped Andrew off to his mother being full of crap is the fact that they called her after she got the death certificate papers. Ain't no way she actually thinks they died to parasites. She does in fact think they died and were cremated, though, just alongside everyone else in the apartment and three months late.

[@Flopamine]

Leyley at very young age (in the flashback scene which she and her bro locked Nina in the crate) knew that she was "weird and annoying and no one likes her at all", so she probably had a hard time at school if not bullying then she would be the outcast. There's a preview image on steam devlog that has some teenage girls talking about something but was not included in ep 2, so ep 3 can be about their school life and friends (imagine the siblings commit shool shooting💀).

[@mrksimka1159]

@@Flopamineabout her “weird and annoying and nobody likes me” point. How much of is reliable? Since we didn’t see it and it’s her who saying it. Considering that she has abandonment issues and low self esteem maybe it’s what she thinks? Or maybe she just said it at that time to make Andy pick her side and she purposefully lying? Hopefully episode 3 will tell if Ashley was a weirdo or bullied or if it’s just in her head.

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

​@@Flopaminewell she obviously had friends as shown in the left door scene, she just never cared about them. They were expendable to her (considering she killed Nina, her friend)

[@Tsumiki-san]

@@SnailSnail-lo4pmno actually, the reason why they became friends with her (especially nina) was because they liked her brother, not her. Its the usual, get-closer-to-the-sibling-to-get-closer-to-your-crush troupe, and ashley knew that. This was why she never cared for them, and wanted to get rid of them. The lack of parenting is the reason why she has no morals, and why she thought it was right to lock her up. In her eyes, her "friends" were trying to steal away her brother, the only person that actually cared for her. In the left door scene, there is a picture where she is with her "friends" and is shown to be an outcast, or someone they always kept out of the duo. They didn't want to bond with her, they wanted her brother. So she never really had any real friends. They are also shown to cancel out on her whenever she wants to invite them over. It honestly explains why she is so obsessed with andrew because he is her only brother, best friend, father and even a romantic interest at some point. She has massive abandonment and self-esteem issues which is why she is the way she is. I am not trying to defend her though, she is a really dark character with zero morals. But atleast she isn't as bad as andrew (especially in the burial route) He is just down bad for her lmao, and since a very young age at that.

[@vicentea.3692]

@@Tsumiki-san In the burial route, it makes Andrew's decision seem more like an anti-villain than an evil person, because he decides to kill his sister (evil action) but to achieve a greater good, stop the demon and his sister. At the end of the day they are both evil in their own way, the sister actively with her manipulation and the brother passively following his sister's orders, as much as they are extremely questionable (murder, cannibalism, theft, etc...), if we include incest It is just another checklist, while the burial route is a 180-degree turn in the plot, the typical story with a happy ending, and also, eliminating the factual reasons, both mental and emotional. They are a brocon and a siscon respectively. They just kept up appearances as much as they could.

[@AbbieOnTheSchoolComputer]

The face the mother makes during the left door ending when she finds out is priceless ✨✨

[@THECORNE957]

Yeah, like it's the second best part to see

[@BernardTheDegenerate]

we meet again.

[@AbbieOnTheSchoolComputer]

@@BernardTheDegenerate I’m just everywhere in this fandom aren’t it?

[@BernardTheDegenerate]

@@AbbieOnTheSchoolComputer seems like it

[@koki3292]

You're like the equivalent of a dude that sees a character like batman or tony stark and switches their entire personality to them but for Ashley

[@Melissa31179]

I swear there's just something so hilarious about the way she goes "oh you fuck her" like in her mind that's the only plausible reason for Andrew to be under Ashley's biding PD: on that last clip I don't really understand how people buy her excuses, for what concerns me that apologizing is just more manipulation to possibly appeal to Andrew's consciousness and get out of there alive

[@beepboop686]

Really, there are just too many people who take things at face value, and can't read between the lines.

[@Flopamine]

Well because she uh.... Apologizes? For me I was haunted by that image which Ashley stabbed her mom in cold blood, her mother's eyes opened a little making me feel like she just woke up and barely knew what was going on, and that I somehow felt that stab, not on physical level but mental.

[@Bigchunkofnewweebworldorder]

I mean, given Ashly relationship with Andrew it’s the most logical step.

[@aclown36]

Considering how she sold them off for an organ theft scheme I think she didn't mean any word she said

[@nshadow9629]

Good manipulators don't just lie all the time. They tell truths to when it's in their advantage to get you to trust them, and then weave in lies that you would now believe when they lure you in with bits of truth. No, I don't believe the mother would actually welcome Andrew back into their lives. It was a moment where she tried to get Andrew to free them, and then escape and get someone to finish the job. But I feel like the part where she apologises shows genuine remorse. She does this to Ashley in one of her phone calls, too, and clearly has some semblance of a conscience. So yeah, I do think she's actually regretful for her chaotic and dysfunctional parenting but I don't think she's a good parent, or trying to be one at all. She's likely only sorry because of how it led to her tied up in a basement at the mercy of them.

[@charjohn2468]

It’s interesting at 9:54 Ashley and her dad have the same sad face. While Andrew and the mom are smiling. Edit:to the people who pointed out that they were not smiling that’s my bad o saw that picture wrong. Ty for correcting me.

[@LesleyMcgonagall]

Huh.. I actually feel like they aren't smiling... They seem to be quite blank.. Perhaps it's just because they are trying to be nice to each other and they are disastrous at it.. What do you reckon?

[@トーキ-g8v]

@@LesleyMcgonagall mom and Andrew have resting bitch face syndrome

[@sxyainTDK]

How is _ a smile?

[@TheHeavieKiwie]

@@LesleyMcgonagall Yeah I zoomed in. There's no smiling.

[@sergioplazat3995]

smiling? where?!?!?! 😅 there more..... 😑

[@Kushrada]

9:40 My interpretation of that part of the game is Ashley was unable to fit in with the rest of her family while Andrew still could, he could but he choose to still be with her over his family. The sad thing is, which may just be the result of scripting admittedly, is even after removing the parents from their seats her plushie still cant sit at the table with Andrews which might hint she might be subconsciously aware she'll never be able to pretend to be normal. But whats that matter so long as she can get him to sit on her level with her?

[@foolish137]

This is some dang good analysis. I thought they were just irresponsible but turns out they're worse? Nice job.

[@lucasln185]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nshadow9629]

Honestly I'm not too sure about the part where the parents think they're getting calls from ghosts. I think what makes the mother say 'goodbye' and 'im sorry' is more so when she feels a little guilty when she hears their voices and talking about their prolonged suffering in there. They probably also didn't expect that they'd live long enough to be able to call them, too. So the mother probably knows that Ashley is alive and really on the phone, but just doesn't want to confront and be reminded that she agreed to sell their organs.

[@rextar9961]

Well Ashley is someone's daughter

[@mrksimka1159]

@@nshadow9629you do know that if the words put in quotes it means it’s fake or sarcastic right? RIGHT?!

[@nshadow9629]

​@@mrksimka1159yeah, the word 'thought' is in quotes because there is no apt word to describe the parents' belief that they died, so much so they think they actually are already dead, which I don't think is the case. The quotes around 'sorry' and 'goodbye' are also simply quoting what she says. At no point were quite marks used for sarcasm.

[@binswaidblack6847]

Excellent video as always, I would just like to add one thing. I think when the pink plushie keeps falling off the chair in the burial dream, it’s metaphorical not literal. It just means that Ashley felt like she didn’t belong with them, not that she literally wasn’t allowed to or didn’t sit with them often

[@louzo5175]

i think they just ate at diferent times

[@boredboi6279]

In her defense we can see that they didn't even bother getting her a fourth chair back in episode one

[@jamestown8398]

When I first learned that the Graves sold out their own children, I wondered why Andrew was the only one upset by this. Ashley, doesn't even bring it up when she's guarding her parents. But this video explained it; from Ashley's perspective, her parents selling her out is just a natural extension of how they treated her for her whole childhood. It's nothing new to her.

[@Freezient]

Oof the mom’s reply to Ashley both back in the apartment and the new house “cry about it” like wtf holy shit

[@eientakara]

"being mentally deranged runs in the family" pretty sure ManlyBadassHero said that XD

[@apeasant8550]

Everyone pretty much nailed down the reasons as to why ashley and andrew are the way they are. Honestly what was Mrs. Graves expecting, I mean how could her kids not turn out fucked up when you damn near completely ignore your daughter and expect your eldest to practically raise'em, doesnt help that they are both so much like their parents, even Andrew noticed how much hes like his dad; a doormat, and ashley she's noticed how similar she is to her mom; manipulative and controlling

[@sober_katz]

i like how Andrew just agrees with his mom calling herself "the worst mother ever" (i mean, she is but it was still kinda funny to me)

[@CameraPunk5049]

Man it is a actually really sad... Andrew and Ashley, were both abandoned, as Andrew was forced to take care of Ashley, but Andrew was always the "wanted child" while Ashley was just "in the way" to her parents. But Andrew never actually tried to abandon Ashley, thus they grew codependant to eachother (which is why they both are into eachother). I mean obviously they have grown to always be together, and thus they could never separate. Ashley turned out to be a fck up and she dragged Andrew down the rabbit whole with her (as Andrew wouldn't neglect anything she does). While Andrew doesn't have the spine to oppose his sister (and actually doesn't want to leave her), they're both in a downwards spiral. (So long as Ashley doesn't want to stop).

[@mycomnithegreat434]

9:59 It's worse, it's not that they didn't intend for neither of their children to live there, they never intended for _Ashley_ to live there. Assuming the parents were the one to seat them, they delibrately gave Andrew (their "easy" child) a proper chair and got the step stool for Ashley (their "problem" child). Not only was she not given a proper seat while Andrew was, she was also seated away as far as possible from their parents, they didn't want to deal with her so much. Oof, small wonder they (esp LeyLey) turned out like... _that_.

[@XHikarixxx]

No fr because Mrs. Graves offered Andrew a job and a line to get out of his situation and its definitely to get him away from Ashley. She's never wanted anything to do with her own daughter.

[@callofhaloinfinite6336]

I'm hoping for a route that has the mother talk with Andrew alone, because what she told him in the basement would've been influenced by the fact that she and her husband is tied up and are being held at knife and gunpoint.

[@mrksimka1159]

Yeah I agree this dialogue in basement is definitely not the same point she wanted to talk about at the couch. And considering how trigger happy and yolo Ashley became to interrupt it maybe she knew where it was going?

[@leszas872]

In this case, the conversation would've been most likely about Mrs. Graves telling Andrew to ditch her sister and/or a talk about the incident of them and Nina. Mrs. Graves probably knows Andrew was manipulated into it and still trusts him very well. Remember that Mrs. Graves only called them both psychos because she was angry seeing Andrew working with his sister to tie them up into the basement and Andrew was showing himself to be trustworthy by helping his mother and made their dinner and food prior. I believe Mrs. Graves wanted to tell the information about Ashley that is yet to be disclosed in Episode III. There was probably something that Mrs. Graves feared about Ashley as a child. Whatever Mrs. Graves wanted to talk about Ashley with Andrew that night, it would probably be a "Lord Shen" childhood situation and there could be a reason why Mrs. Graves intentionally became negligent with Ashley. Since Mrs. Graves entrusted Andrew her new home address, she probably wanted to only see Andrew and not Ashley. Andrew also noticed that his mom has only been 'keeping up faces' meaning, she is most likely acting cold and strict since she saw them both together. I believe what Mrs. Graves was trying to say to Andrew was: "The whole situation with Ashley was my mistake. I apologize for having you take care of her. I know that incident at the warehouse was not your fault... she forced you into it, didn't she?"

[@冰鳥-k6h]

It’s impressive that their parents got distinctive personality. Hope they release the information of chapter 3 earlier😢😢

[@heraldyaxelevi8132]

Nice video. A possibility is that the mother is a lesser or as much of a yandere as Ashley (or at the very least, very possessive). That's why she didn't care too much about her children and seem to only love her husband very much, while also explaining why she is so good at manipulation (just like Ashley) and willing to sell her children for their organs (There's NO WAY a loving mother wouldn't look or at the very least try to help them). That's why she said to Andrew that she 'didn't hate them', which she probably didn't since she did raised them and some maternal instinct mixed in there, but she never said she really love them either (and downright hating Ashley). This also explain why she snap at Ashley cutting her husband and don't react as much when she got cut, even Ashley can tell her mother wanted to gouge her eyes out for harming her 'beloved'. Could probably explain why she got pregnant so young, too.

[@ajduong]

A small detail that might fly over most people's heads is that the new Graves household has one spare single bed and chair. When you look at Ashley's dream in the burial route, her plushie isn't able to sit at the table with the other two plushies. This might mean that the parents kept a spare bed around and a third chair as a sort of momento for Andrew, but absolutely nothing for Ashley.

[@PatlandOneTwoThreeFourFive]

One of my biggest questions for this game right now is what made Mrs. Graves detest Ashley so openly as she did. It can be theorized that this started very early in Ashley's childhood at 5 years old. What could a 5 year old do to make a mother no longer want to do anything with them despite having an older child who she actually does like, to some degree. There's no way Ashley was 5 when they murdered Nina. Andrew is at least 10 in that scene, he's far too knowledgeable about prison and consequences. That's why Mrs. Graves is so interesting to me, because she doesn't come off as entirely "Aloof." Their father is completely aloof, yet Mrs. Graves clearly knows more than she lets on. She picks up on subtleties and has a degree of cunning within her. She's not stupid. So why did she treat Ashley so harshly in her childhood, but not Andrew?

[@mrksimka1159]

Maybe there were more incidents or red flags before the box?

[@authenticmaniac]

A very good question, and I would love to know too.

[@Melissa31179]

She probably saw in Ashley a person she couldn't manipulate

[@lirenxin5472]

I think it’s just the detest for like-minded people. Some emotionally-deranged people actually do that… but I get the idea. She probably also likes Andrew more because he is more like her husband. And that she assumes Ashley making Andrew do stuff is probably her projecting her relationship with her husband onto them.

[@vicentea.3692]

mrksimka1159's thread convinced me that the answer may be that Ashley inherited her mother's unhealthy jealousy, she saw her as competition for Mr. Graves' attention, since she was born she was jealous of her, she manipulated Andy from a young age to be the wall between Ashley and Mr. Graves.

[@TRak598]

When Mrs. Graves asks if Andrew and Ashley have been fooling around, the way she asks it clearly BEGS for Andrew to point the similarities between mother and daughter and how they like to tease and gaslight with dirty talk; Ashley definitely heard the conversation and acted the way she acted to gross her mother out. Yet, Andrew doesn't point the hypocrisy of his mother, nor does he compare his sister to their mother. Why? Because he worships Ashley and has a lot of pride in the fact that she survived a hostile domicile and went to become an adult woman thanks to his efforts. That's also why Andrew didn't lay his hands on Ashley until that point. Ashley, on the other hand, absolutely adores to be the center of attention, but the only person who doesn't neglect her (because he doesn't give a damn about how creepy she is) is her own older brother. She knows that he worships her, and enjoys it. But the thing is: 1- Andrew inherited his mother's insane libido and sadism. He's easily shook and initially had a normal relationship with Ashley, but thanks to their killing spree, he's been desensitized to murder, leaving his desire to cause harm to bloom freely, and due to Ashley's sexual innuendos and actual attractive appearance, his sexual appetite is slowly eating him up. 2- Ashley inherited her mother's lack of pudor and manipulative nature. She doesn't want to get into Andrew's pants per see, but she knows that this is an effective way to keep him for herself. Moreover, because she's so "whatever" for romance and sex herself, she won't ever pursuit another man, which only fuels Andrew's worship fantasies.

[@crowuwu7375]

At first i thought ashley was just a typical psycho e-girl, but when I saw the actual story it makes sense. She was just a poor child with mental problems being raised by another poor child who had to be a father figure without even having one. Ashley is extremly dependant of him cuz' she always had Andrew, the reason she's so obsessed is both because her already mental problems and because he's her everything. The reason they make "THAT" is because neither of them doesn't know how to express love because they were never taught. Very messed up how bad parenting, loneliness, neglection both physical and mental ruin lives. I kinda hated ashley but now i pity her as Andrew

[@judesliggoo]

"e-girl" brother this takes place in the 90s and the only interaction Ashley had with media was a television three months ago

[@crowuwu7375]

@@judesliggoo My dude, did You read the comment? I said "I THOUGHT", that was what i believed BEFORE having a knowledge of the story

[@FridayViviene]

💔

[@SmokeTheHorsehog]

There's a little extra detail that I don't know if it was mentioned by anyone else. Ashley's sociopathic tendencies aside, one more piece of evidence of a lack of proper and healthy parenting is how Andrew and Ashley talk to each other as kids. And by that, I mean how much they cussed. If we do go off of their parents first raising them as teenagers, and their mother only been an early teen when she gave birth to Andrew, that's a clear sign that they weren't ready to be parents and their horniness was likely combined with cussing. It's not just that gorey movie they watched in that cutscene. I'm of Andrew and Ashley's generation (If the game takes place in current day, that is. There's no signs of current day technology like computers or mobile phones or stuff like that.), and what seems to be a constant about teens in media and in real life is how much cussing there is, regardless of where they got it from. Andrew tells Ashley to watch her mouth, only to cuss at her, himself. It'd be one thing if Ashley got the cussing from Andrew, but Andrew probably got it from his immature parents. People don't become dysfunctional, mentally ill, or even sane with some vulgarity to them since a very young age, without being raised in an unhealthy environment. That is all.

[@Linkophere]

Bro youre the first channel ive bumped into thats really breaking this games writing and interactions down so hard. Crazy. Im gunna be sad once part 3 finale drops and this all ends but damn ur good for now

[@bread_5390]

Honestly, having seen everything so far, both sides suck hard but when considering their circumstances, it's understandable WHY they are all such awful people. The Graves parents had to deal with young/teenage pregnancies and had to cope with the fact that they f-d up hard because they were young (It's not mentioned I think but I like to believe that they had to deal with all this stress and anxiety ALONE without any real external help considering how awful their world is in general). Of course, the argument could be made that the Mom and Dad screwed up twice but as is stated, they probably grew attached to Andrew with how easy it was to raise him thus far and were probably sure of themselves that if another one came, they could deal with it. Of course, now that Ashley came into the frame, it became much more dire for them. From what I could gather from the game and videos about it, Ashley may in part have always been a little off the rocker, but with how the Mom and Dad probably treated her (not giving her enough attention and reprimand when she was a kid, giving the job of raising a child over to A CHILD!), it's of course no wonder why Andrew and ESPECIALLY Ashley have turned out the way they did. Child neglect can turn anyone into a rotten being if left unattended (as is implied with Andrew after he had to take care of Ashley, meaning he had to grow up fast and never could be experience a real childhood because of it) or missattended in Ashleys case. And yes, the fact that they sold their kids out in the quarantine to get themselves a "clean slate" life with the insurance money is pretty horrible in itself Of course, this does not excuse what the siblings have done either, with them, especially Ashley, being rather unopposed to the idea of criminal behavior (Stealing, murder [even if in self defense], cannibalism, etc.), though to their merit, most of their crimes were either a result of just getting into danger without their own accord (the whole occult and cannibalism thing started out with a cultist f-ing up a ritual, the hitman that was inexplicably chasing them leading to his murder) or the world around them just being an awful place (The Quarantine being a HUGE example of this!). Yes, the murder of Andrews classmate was inexcusable and Ashley is a Monster for this... if you discount the fact that wasn't treated like the runt of the litter by her parents and having to be raised by her then CHILD BROTHER, who he himself didn't even understand whole concept of murder and couldn't possibly have taught Ashley the consequences of her actions, nor could he have predicted that she could even be capable of such an act (if indirectly). Ashley is horrible, yes, but she is the consequence of her parents' neglectful behavior and Andrews' (understandably) poor upbringing of her. And on Andrews part: He definitely suffered the most here since he was between neglectful and sex-crazed teenage parents who made some very bad life decisions and still TRIED to do the best before giving up, and a on the border of sociopathic behavior leaning sister who wasn't loved by those same parents and he tried to love and raise to the best of his abilities but ultimately couldn't do much alone to stop Ashleys' obsessive and criminal nature (even unintentionally exacerbated her behavior to some extent with her attachment issues, making her depend on Andrew for everything) and ended up suffering even harder because of her (Hell, he couldn't even hold any relationships without Ashley being involved somehow). All in all, both sides are at fault here in different circumstances (The parents not raising their kids properly, the siblings for their shared crimes and Ashley for her manipulative obsessive behavior), but they also have their reasons and understandable circumstances as to WHY they are so awful, though I'd say Andrew deserves it all the least considering he is actually the most normal and relatively "stable" person here (If very jaded and cynical). And on a final note: their world is complete ass and just dials their issues up to 11. I tell you, without the quarantine and the whole world being a capitalist dystopia, the siblings probably would have still turned out weird but definitely not into cannibalistic, sociopathic (and in some very icky cases incestiuos) bastards, and the parents could have found a way to turn their life around without having to sell their kids, even if it would involve adoption.

[@Tsumiki-san]

Andrew is not a stable person either, he wants to bang his own sister, and has shown indirect signs of obsession with her. Search up the "andrew sus compilation" which pretty much explains the kind of person he is. The only reason why he seems "sane" is because he just wants to uphold his social life, also considering that he has a few morals and that he really cares about what others think about him (like how he said he wants to die when his mother said "that"). Ashley simply doesn't have any morals, and its because of the parental neglect here. Also, andrew has shown signs of wanting to do things to ashley way before the mother pointed it out, but when she did, he kinda dropped his false appearance around ashley and became more "touchy". One example of his obsession could be when you switch over to andrew to check up on the cultists, you could go to the motel room and check the bed with two pillows where he admits he doesn't have nightmares as often as he claims, and he only claims so because he wants to sleep with ashley lol.

[@genPackman]

100% agree with the comment. The deal not only in crazy Ashley or her horrible mother. The whole world is sick. But Andy also have his share of dark side. Up untill parents death only he was directly responsible for killing people, not Leyley. We don't know the trues why did he killed the "hot neighbor" but it didn't look like his life was in danger as he explain it to Ashley

[@dankmemes8254]

Too long don't read Shit people raise thier chidlern to be just as shit if not worse and if you had to be under similar circumstances become independent and seek therapy oversimplification maybe but that is about it

[@blastthechaos6083]

Andrew is fucked up too, aside from the things mentioned, he has an inability to admit guilt for his own crimes. Notice how most of his reactions to any crimes he and his sister commit is "what if we get caught!?" Not that it's a bad thing morally

[@kiara_playz8439]

3:53 i actually think the souls in that stage is andrew and ashley. Why? Because the mother's eyes are yellow and the dad is pink. The white soul has green eyes which indicates andrew, and the dark soul is y'know who- So i also think the other ghosts there, are actually the parents! What kinda doesnt make sense is why the green-eye soul and dark soul are there if they represent ashley and andrew. They're not dead yet

[@Flopamine]

tbh i can't really tell the white soul's eyes colors, and this is decay route so it can be different than that in burial route - sane path, cuz in sane path there's a dark soul too but looks nothing like the dark one in decay route. "We shall see" tho.

[@--Spark--]

i dont think this is the case since ashely asks the demon if her soul is like that too and it says that her's is much darker

[@kiara_playz8439]

@@--Spark-- now im scared to see what her soul actually looks like 💀

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

Well the realm likely just has the souls that were sacrificed, and Andrew doesn't have anything to do with the demon in the decay route. She couldn't have performed the ritual in secret either, considering she forgot the runes. They're probably just the cultist and the warden.

[@masatokurokawa6036]

no the dark soul is the mother and the white one is the fatherz the other two are the cultist and the ward

[@phithetagamma]

I like your videos a lot! And I love this game. It's interesting how despite being evil (or at least totally selfish and practically heartless) Mrs. Graves is still an intriguing and appealing character.

[@Its_a_Phaze]

Just for some added lore… I’m headcanoning that that single out of place chair in the parent’s room is a cuck chair. 🤫

[@SnailSnail-lo4pm]

Who would be the cuck? I don't think any other dude would assume the role of Mr. Graves that much as to give him a seat.

[@wardenunknown]

I’m leaning more to voyeur chair, somewhere to sit while you watch the parents perform

[@marcoasturias8520]

Mr. Graves tied up and watching, while his spouse gets busy. Eventually leaving to the basement bed... Why would there be a bed otherwise?

[@wilberwhateley7569]

@@marcoasturias8520 That’s an interesting point - why do they need a separate bed in the basement? Probably because the wife is banishing her hubby there while she gets it on with the neighbors…

[@Noman1000]

@@wilberwhateley7569 I think the bed in the basement was meant for andrew. They have 3 chairs in the house just like in the apartment and it's clear Mrs. Graves really favored him. Maybe Mrs. Graves was hoping to take him along but backed out at the last minute or hoped andrew would come back by himself if Ashley died first.

[@mrksimka1159]

I will point out again and again that it speaks something about mom more then the siblings because she jumped to this conclusion instead of "Love her" considering the L word can carry same implications yet more correct at this point at time. Never even once "I love you" was said by Miss Graves so maybe your point that they were sex obsessed holds water here too. When it's her only way to show affection no wonder she projecting it on other peoples too. Oh and also Ashley is not that different in that regard with her neighbors comment afterwards, like mom like daughter.

[@shadowmandeathstroke8232]

I thought the mother jumped to this conclusion because when she walked in on Andrew and Ashley whispering to each other, Andrew has his hand on her butt with his fingers through her belt loops.

[@mrksimka1159]

@@shadowmandeathstroke8232 well that and him hiding an erection at the couch scene while his sister was hiding too😂 but I think my point still stands no?

[@Terraqueo22]

Heh Finally someone noticed... look, Some siblings have a lot of skinship not everyone is always thinking SEX SEX SEX all the time. Mrs Graves is always thinking on that thats why she jumped to conclusion that Andrew was having an affair with his sister. This Really shows how desperate and showed who Mrs Graves is... A Nympho, Obssessive, Manipulative and Cold Mother... Also it does make me wonder if she saw Ashley as a potential rival for the love of Mr Graves. Thats why Ashley grew up without love from her dad. maybe Mrs Graves felt Jealousy EVEN FROM HER OWN DAUGHTER? Thus Always blocking any Daughter Dad Bonding. What a sicko aint it?

[@mrksimka1159]

@@Terraqueo22my man you dug even deeper then me. You into something here with jealousy thing. Since Ashley has this irrational fear of other women maybe it’s hereditary.😮

[@vicentea.3692]

@@Terraqueo22 Come to think of it, Ashley was always treated this way long before Andrew's crush disappeared, in her youth she never ate at the same table as everyone else, she was sent to eat in her room, unlike Andy's birthdays, Ashley was not bought anything to celebrate it, therefore it did not generate the situation that Ashley invited her female friends and for the icing on the non-existent cake, not even the two of them were at home (just imagine the level of unhealthy jealousy that did not tolerate beyond the female presence of Ashley in the house), the functions of dad were fulfilled in its entirety by Andrew, which in the manipulative confession the mother is grateful that Andrew never questioned that task and also agreed that Andrew stayed at home but Ashley had to leave for tomorrow. It was HIS MOTHER who gave him the job, so it wouldn't surprise me if HIS MOTHER told Mr. Graves not to worry about Ashley's parenting, because Andrew was doing an excellent job taking care of her. It is by mere logic, there was not a moment where the mother became extremely violent as when Ashley pretended to hurt Mr. Graves, she didn't even get that way for her, what happened with Andrew's crush would have at least generated the need to take more care of the siblings, and rather nothing changed, Ashley continued to be ostracized and Andrew took care of 100% of his sister's upbringing.

[@THECORNE957]

Love the face of the mother in the left door

[@TheCrownedCube]

the only part of this that doesnt make sense to me is why their mom told Andrew the actual address of their house, clearly the parents bought the house after they got quarantined and siblings had no phone or computer to confirm what house they bought. I have a feeling that atleast at some point the mother might have actually wanted andrew and only andrew to escape and come home to they, the mother clearly had a distain for ashley but seemingly had hope for andrew.

[@PatlandOneTwoThreeFourFive]

The sad and interesting part of this fact is that it can be implied that their mother truly did love Andrew. I don't believe she was lying when she apologized to him about how she pushed Ashley onto him or when she admitted that she was so happy about how Andrew turned out that she was convinced to have another child so soon after. I wholeheartedly believe that if *only* Andrew returned, she actually might not have turned him away.

[@gayfrogs6985]

It might have been away to keep appearances as as far as we know they were meant to starve to death there so it would be bad if they for example jumped off the balcony. So if they heard ‘we sold you off for money and we don’t care about you anymore’ then there is a chance Andrew would have killed himself

[@nshadow9629]

​@@gayfrogs6985truly if that's the case then there would be no need for the mother to give the actual address tho, she could've just pulled one out of her ass. Besides at that point she already got her money so she wouldn't have to care if he did kill himself. Then again i still think the mother is manipulative, but good manipulators don't lie all the time. They sometimes tell the truth when it's to their advantage. I really think she was trying to separate Andrew from Ashley in that moment when she was tied up, but it's simply so that Andrew would be blackmailed into freeing them only for them to escape. I don't think at any point does she care about rehabilitating and accommodating any of them

[@TheCrownedCube]

this theory paints a few scenes in the game in a different light, the fact that the mom tried to talk to andrew alone without ashley in the couch scene, telling andrew the address of the house, the house has 3 chairs in the dining room and a SINGLE person bed in the basement. Andrew thinks that the bed in the basement is an indicator of a decent social life of his parents but the extra chair at the dinner table could be seen as preparations the mother made incase Andrew came back home alone, they didnt have a 4th one cause they didnt expect ashley to come with him [or didnt want her i should say].

[@gayfrogs6985]

@@nshadow9629I shop she didn’t really feel the need to lie as they were as good as dead anyway. As for the money maybe it’s a half pay at the start and the rest when the Job is done as so that parents/whoever put the people there can’t inform the captives what is happening and have them subsequently commit suicide or escape

[@McCbobbish]

I think Mr Graves is some hapless rube who got yandere'd by Mrs Graves in high school

[@gt5bonelesshuman421]

Yeah, man’s only has a loving wife going for him. His life is just sad. Him and Andrew are the victims. Mrs. Graves is manipulative and slick in her own way and probably convinced him to leave their kids. Ashley is a more fucked up crotch clone of the mom. Andrew is the dad but with better iron will and can kill the bitch controlling his life.

[@strikerali2160]

Way to call out my addiction to this game. Also I wonder how things could’ve been if their parents actually made time for Ashley. That birthday scene is really sad to me…

[@ManicObsevations]

I NEVER NOTICED THE MOMS SOUL, BECAUSE MY SCREEN SETTINGS WERE SO DIM AND IVE REWATCHED THAT PART LIKE 5 TIMES.

[@cjvipinosa3328]

As a Psychology Student this game is basically what Sigmund Freud had in mind...

[@Hieulegen27]

There is currently one theory I have seen which I think is the most plausible: Its that Andrew actually has split personality syndrome, one is Andrew and one is Andy. People have noticed that Andrew has these weak moments where he always tells his sister to go away but still listen to her. This might be the "Andy" that Ashley talked about who is more obedient. The future that involves Andrew kiling Ashley might actually be Andy finally snapping after being obdient for so long. This might be the personality that did not want to kill his parents and regretted it, hence explaining why Andrew suddenly has such a sydden shift in personality when the parents offered to help. The other one which Ashley is afraid of is "Andrew". This personality seems to be more calculating, less empathetic and cares more about getting Ashley under his submission. You can see this personality in a lot of cutscenes where he touches Ashley in a more personal way. This personality might also be the one that went red face when his mom said he fucked Ashley and when he had that dream. This personality clearly wants a relationship with Ashley. This might also be the one who had a relationship with Julia because noticed how he asked her to tie her hair up to look like his sister. This is the only reasonable explanation why Andrew's personality is so inconsistent a lot of times like a drastic 180 of his previous self. Some people say hes developing stockholm syndrome but I feel like the split personality makes way much more sense. People make Andrew as the victim but hes just basically as insane and as mentally ill as Ashley, he just hides it much better than her.

[@whoknows5145]

I wouldn’t say it’s a split personality- DID develops as an early age as a result of severe trauma- but I do think the relationship between “Andrew” and “Andy” is a metaphor for letting go of the past. Andrew wants agency, and “Andy” was described by ashley as her doll, following along with her whims for the sake of being a good older brother. The way I see it, “Andrew” is indicative of the change he goes through, and his resistance he has to Ashley’s manipulation, and “Andy” is subservient to her; the two are at odds throughout the game, though I think of them more as contrasting thought processes than two separate people.

[@wilfredocabreraromero8356]

si eso de las personalidades es muy posible si nos damos cuenta en las 2 rutas se nota su actitud fria en el capitulo 1 el como mata sin miedo ni vacilacion y ashley se muestra mas aterrada que sorprendida como si ya de por si lo conociera en esa forma y los sabe diferenciar

[@Ravil322]

It doesn't really seems to be like that. Rather symbolic change for him to grow some spine. I don't have a good example, but for me Dart Vader/Anakin is a closest one. It's not split personality, but rather facets of one person. Maybe Vader says that Anakin is dead, yet he is basically a same person, who just can't show his "Good" side due to hate for himself and pain from his past. Said side then returns, thanks to his son being tortured by Vader's teacher. Something similar with Andrew/Andy. Most of his life he was for Ashley, even in his own dream he was "errand boy" for Leyley and can't do anything with it. He sees this spinelessness and lack of will in his father, a quality he hates in them both. But unlike his father, he tries to fix that by becoming better, which can be metaphorically interpret as becoming a new person. Also I want to note that maybe Andrew's love for poetry is a reason, why he is persistant about it. I do think that the only difference between these 2 facets is being able to stand for his personal interests against Ashley, who used and threatened him. But regardless of any facet being present, both are caring for Ashley in its base

[@MrShadowtruth]

Or perhaps and hear me out: because this is a multiple choice game with different routes, each routes shines a light on Andrew's character that highlights a different aspect of the greater whole that is his entire character. Like all the other characters in the game or in other really well done multiple choice games.

[@gabrielengelmann7834]

I feel that the way Andrew talks about Andy is more because he is a hopeless romantic, he likes poetry, loves symbolism and even carries with him the cleaver that he used to kill his first victim even though he has better weapons like a knife for example.

[@twentyonetortas5921]

Glad to see this vid as people point out about how Andrew, Ashley, and their relationship are all toxic so this compilation shows how the parents play a big factor on why the siblings are the way they are.

[@H3art_c10uds]

3:52 yoooo this is mind blowing to me??!? It’s no wonder why this stood out so different at this part. WHY DIDNT IT CLICK FOR ME?? Also Ashley just sitting at a step ladder or whatever is just…😭 I didn’t realize that

[@iKiwed]

I think this game is fantastic on portraying the side effects made by the people around you, and in spite of everything, it gives a lot to think about. I don’t feel like making a long comment, so I just think of a moral of the story. Andrew and Ashley are mostly the way they are because of the selfishness of their parents. If you are a parent, love your children. If you feel like you can’t love them, remember that you have a responsibility. It’s a must that you learn to love them. Ask for the right people to help you with this! Remember that you don’t need to be a perfect parent, as long as you try! If you’re thinking of being a parent, take into account if it’s something you can do it. If it isn’t, maybe you want to postpone the idea until things get better. This is for everyone’s sake. If you don’t care of all of this, well, you can do whatever you want! In fact, everyone is free to do whatever they want. But remember. These actions will come back to you eventually, just like Andrew and Ashley did at the end of the game. It may sound like this game is a bit overdramatizing. I don’t think so. This is something that could happen for real. And surely it happened once. To end in positive note, always remember to treat well the people around you, either if you’re a parent or a son or daughter, and these good actions will eventually reflect on the others! :)

[@darkrot824]

Man, looking back at this, I wish that at least for one of the endings the Graves parents weren’t killed off so soon. I understand why they had to do it, but I feel like they could’ve been fun to watch just for one more chapter at least.

[@Flopamine]

can't wait to see them return in Andrew's PTSD adventure!

[@darkrot824]

@@Flopamine Oh yes how could I forget Andy’s disturbed mind scape.

[@enemyshadowdemon]

Perhaps a potential return in whatever you can call that demon dreamscape?

[@Jaqrkazi]

A lot of people genuinely think Mrs.Graves didn't know she was signing her children's deaths with that insurance scam. While I do think that is copium, I think there is more going on with her attempts to appeal to Andrew other than just manipulating her way out of being killed. A lot of this hinges on the unspoken conversation she wanted to have with Andrew in private BEFORE Ashley pulled the gun on her. This goes back to her treatment of Andrew over Ashley. Andrew was obviously the favored child and this is spoken of far more in subtext than just what is shown in the CGs. Great example, Andrew is 22 and his parents have been PAYING for him to go to college and for his admittedly expensive textbooks, Ashley is 20 and yet there is no mention of her attending or even being offered the opportunity to attend college. Considering the parent's teenage pregnancy, its very doubtful they ever managed to attend or graduate college themselves, so the fact they even attempted to get Andrew through it speaks volumes to how much more they valued him over his sister. Beyond being the favored child, I think Andrew was the only child actually loved by his parents. When I say "his parents" though, I really just mean Mrs.Graves since Mr.Graves doesn't do jackshit. The reason I think Mrs.Graves abandoned him with Ashley though is because she acknowledged that as Ashley's sole caregiver, Andrew would never willingly walk away from her with them if she offered him a chance to get in on the insurance scam. This is why I think she wanted to talk with him before getting pulled into the basement by Ashley. I think she genuinely feels guilty about putting him in this situation where he's had no choice but to emotionally attach himself to Ashley because she never gave him any option to do anything else. If she hadn't done that, its entirely possible she could have walked away with only the parts of the family she actually cared about, instead of having to abandon him with the unwanted child. This is partly why I think her apology is genuine. She's just not apologizing for the reason you think she is. She's not apologizing for outsourcing raising Ashley onto someone else. She's apologizing that it had to be him and that damned him in the present by association. Note this still makes her a terrible person and an AWFUL parent as well.

[@NoBandwidth-0]

What do you want to bet that Reneé was the exact same way that Ashley used to be? A part of her she hated being reminded of, hence her disdain for Ashley. Because, it's exactly how she used to be.

[@celestialarden]

ok but the scenes where the mom tries to separate those two for work, or when she found them up at night, both are so hilarious to me, like ma'am, what are you thinking? who let her cook?

[@ulfricstormcloak5109]

Ashley is pure evil and is still a more redeemable character than the parents

[@dragonfyr]

I don't really agree with the fact that the mom caused the love/sex between Andrew and Ashley because there's some CG where you can see them clearly have a more intimate relationship than normal siblingship, not full blown sexual stuff though. For example there's one during the cooking scene (at least before the whole sacrifice thing) where Andrew has his hand on her ass and fingers in the beltloop, like litteraly, not something 'normal', Also he, supposedly, fakes nightmare, to have her console him by letting him sleep with her. During these things Ashley is not disgusted at all, and, in fact initiates some of it.

[@Nezumi8841]

Andrew is such a pervert, you know

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

I'm pretty sure he just gets real nightmares from *looks at fuckin everything that happens in the game*

[@Nezumi8841]

@@b-chroniumproductions3177 Maybe, but knowing Andrew, it's unlikely))

[@donkey69420]

I’m pretty sure that when you interact with the bed they slept in as Andrew it suggests that he fakes the nightmares

[@wilberwhateley7569]

I’m not so sure - a lot of repressed thoughts and feelings can come out in your dreams: perhaps he does have legitimate night terrors from all the shit he’s dealt with.

[@theblackcatgirl7013]

Goodness, so if Andrew took care of 5-year-old Ashley at 7 years of age and Ashley asked Andrew "how come you get your friends over for your birthdays but when it's my birthday we don't have money" you can definitely see that Ashley saw that she wasn't liked or wanted as much as Andrew. The very fact that Andrew's name in the Ep 3 preview is "Disappointment" meant that they had some sort of good expectations for him. Meanwhile Ashley is just named "Mistake" because she was harder to raise as a toddler and they neglected her later in her adolescents for it causing her to get worse and then the cycle continues. Ashley clung onto Andrew from a very young age because he's literally the only thing that gave her love as a child, her desperation to keep that love spiraled into incest(which mind you, if Andrew wasn't messed up himself he would not and should not have accepted her advances, I don't understand Andrew enough to get why he does so I won't comment on it). This is why she's so worried about her appearance, this is why she's so insecure and clingy.

[@Exile_Sky]

18:29 Too little way too late. Want to pretend to be a loving caring parent now that you're tied to a post and think something is going to happen to you. Earnestly, no sympathy. What shit people.

[@CorruptTypes]

father is a W bro was just accepting it until his wife tried to get andrew a job

[@SergentInvictus]

I mean, she did try to talk to him RIGHT before getting held at gunpoint and all…

[@ermioneerennatividad6557]

nobody can really expect an underaged mother to take care of a child properly- but when they -decided- to have Ashley and still continued being neglectful? that's where it all went wrong.

[@pilotmanpaul]

Dad is a doormat, Mom sees her horrible self in her own daughter and both kids have screws not even there anymore. A mess makes a mess and it turns into a big mess. Oh what a nice family.

[@SchadenfreudeUY]

Jesus Christ this is like Undertale 2015 all over again for me. Not complaining in the slightest.

[@asd567]

this game for straight 13 days…wow, that is a lot of days.

[@quinnlee-miller9792]

I didn't fall for her lies, i fell for that intense stare of disaproval, hot damn momma

[@daniel-mz8gn]

That stare did me dirty bro😔😔😔

[@sober_katz]

pffff XD

[@roymillers6730]

Wonder if there could’ve been a ending where they just live happily with their parents instead of sacrificing them.

[@PhongPilot0402]

Man, after hearing the controversy of this game. I was hesitant to check this out but turns out it was kinda... Idk, mixed feeling about it but I do feel sad for Leyley before everything went bad. The parents need proper parenting tbh.

[@pirateswiggity5278]

17:23 The sheer disappointment and disgust is hilarious

[@yiningzhang2696]

Very good video. In fact, there are the fourth chair in their new house, which behind the closet of their bedroom. The Graves’ just considered that Ashley doesn’t deserve to have it.😢

[@idkwhattoput1621]

Idk if you touched on this or not... But whats interesting is the symbolism of a tree when in the demon world. They're all over in the demon world and prominently stick out over the "questionable" route path door. It gets more interesting when you realise out of all the outcomes Ashley can pick, that route is heavily influenced by the "Lord Unknown" as he is most prominent in that one. Almost in mockery of the "family tree."

[@kaijotten]

Perfect representation of like parents like siblings

[@MirrorOfEmotions]

Actually I think the portrait riddle is both a part of their memories and how they perceived there environment. If you read the signs below the portraits their titles are: Parents, Siblings, Friends and Classmates. On the Parents portrait you can see how the mother is annoyed about her children. I assume that Ashley and maybe Andrew too, had the feeling that they weren't important in the family at all. Classmates seems to be a memory of their school days. I'm not really sure about the meaning but I assume it represents as something like "safe space" from all the toxicity at home, as we can see that they are bit more happy there. "Friends" portrays Andrew's connections with others but it also shows how Ashley was unsatisfied or maybe even angry about how she had to act nice to them. Plus, we see that she definetly knew that the "friend" had a crush on Andy as she blushes in that portrait. Siblings represents Ashley's and Andrew's love to each other, but here still as platonic (probably) and nothing that extreme. However! If you alter the portraits via the Andrew doll, the titles change too. "Classmates" becomes to "Soulmates", "Parents" becomes to "Family" and "Friends" becomes to "Lovers". "Family" is probably the most messed up thing here, as Ashley sees her brother as her true parents. Meaning, Andrew is both a "real" mother and father to her in the same time. That she sees herself as a very happy new born child, just reinforce this theory. In short: she brainwashed them, so that they become the only focus to each other and are also the only ones who care to each other. This is also the reason why we have the incest scene, why Ashley becomes more empathic and worried to Andrew and even accepts to not call him Andy anymore, and also the reason why they become less toxic to each other and why Andrew acts now even more caring and loving to her than before. It's in a way kinda ironic. You did something toxic to turn them less toxic. XD I also disagree that the parents are lovers. I see it more like that the mother considers her family more like pets. And her husband is more or less her favourite pet. Sure there is the wine and steak but I don't think that this alone is a guarantee for their love. If that would be the case and the father is just a simple masochist who enjoys his fetish while they have sex, then why considered he suicide in the memory of Andrew's blood oath memory. Plus the narrator itself said that he had "the enthusiasm of a dead fish". This is NOT the behaviour of a sane, normal person. He is broken. Now you could say "but if he isn't a masochist who just the sex but a broken man, why should he be worried about her? And why should she be worried about him?". Well, that is simple: it is BECAUSE his broken personality and submissivness , that he turned to an obedient slave of her and so, still had feelings like worryness towards her. He is similar like a dog who was trained that way to listen to everything what its mistress says. The mother on the other hand, considers him more like a loyal, cute pet. Imagine her attachment to him similar like John Wick's attachment to his dog. That's the answer. Yeah, there are attemps where the father tries to solve the conflict peacefully but in the end he still shut is mouth when his wife told so. Plus, you don't have to forget that the mother doesn't comprehend the emotion of love. She just knows sex and desire but that's it. While I can't say this for sure, I believe that she just get together with Andrew's father because she saw a chance to live out her sadistic dark desires on him. And as the father was probably at that point in love with her, it became even more easy. However, like I said, this is just a theory. To conclude this: I don't think that the family was ever healthy. The mother was just too fucked up and ruined everyone. She broke her husband, made Ashley even worse as treated her like an outcast and probably even manipulated Andrew so that he would willingly execute all her responsibilities as a mother. I mean, hell, even in the dialogue between her and Andrew about Ashley, she tried to manipulate him so that he would care about all the troublemakers in her job instead of her, had he accept the job offer! I think honestly, that she is even worse than Ashley. Ashley at least knows the concept of love even if she express it in an unhealthy, toxic way. The mother on the other hand, just knows sex and that's it. Platonic love, empathy and caring are beyond her comprehension. Otherwise she wouldn't have instantly accused Andrew to fuck his sister. Anyway that's my interpretation. PS : sorry for the novel comment. XD

[@thebababoeyman4840]

"Andrew! Weren't you supposed to be masturbating?" ok i had enough of this game

[@fork-man]

Though andrew has screws loose it honselty feels like it was the people and situations he finds himself in that made them loose and continue to be loose till they fly off he was born in the wrong family and the wrong time

[@nshadow9629]

Honestly true Andy (young Andrew) honestly was such a good elder sibling, and according to the parents a great child as well. Should've used a rubber

[@AmuletRebel]

It really says a lot about the mom's mentality of love and loyalty that her first assumption of why Andrew was going along with Ashley's ideas is that he was screwing her. Instead of maybe that Ashley was the most constant presence in his life, unlike the parents. Or that like it or not, they're too attached at the hip to think of abandoning one another. Or maybe he's realized he's just as deranged or too far down the rabbit hole and now sees no point in trying to fit in with the rest of the family. Or MAYBE that he can see she's full of crap after she tried to explain away the fact that she literally sold them for parts. Andrew isn't stupid and she should've factored that in. But no, she believes that sex needs to be used to gain someone's loyalty.

[@gilangpratama7959]

I hate it when I think about whether their parents are really that bad

[@snowblox7828]

i always laugh my ass off when the mom stats mentioning that andrew was doing leyley,her face expressions are hilarious

[@jchristHeckYeah]

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley “We made incest and parricide funny!”

[@TheKoriKasai]

God i love this game so much

[@layonyatsu7203]

I think it would be pretty cool if once nemlei finished all chapters of this game, a dlc where you side with your parents as andrew would be very intriguing

[@eyei6535]

Now that I see it, maybe that happens since the basement looks like it has an extra bed to be a guest room, In a house that size almost no developer would think that a guest room is necessary so I suppose it is a way to prepare the house for another use

[@nshadow9629]

I mean if you choose to side with the parents it just leads to Andrew decay route. And the extra bed is explained as friends staying over/something kinky.

[@layonyatsu7203]

@@nshadow9629 I meant you literally take the Revolver off ashley, lol. This might seem to cut off from here, but iam just really curious what would happen if andrew were against sacrificing parents through them talking it out on andrew, Ashley's fear. I could see some potential of some interesting twist out of this fit for a dlc.

[@nshadow9629]

@@layonyatsu7203 ahh I see. Even then I don't think there'd be much. Ashley gets subdued or even killed, parents get freed, they escape and either call the cops or a hitman to finish the job. But that's me assuming that the parents really don't care about Andrew. If they did then yeah, there would be room for a sideplot

[@spiritpetals]

It's so wild to me that people can play/watch this game and still come out of it thinking "damn, Ashley put her parents & Andrew through so much shit, they're clearly not bad people!"

[@SansINess53]

I think the mom would've given andrew a explanation if it weren't for ashley.

[@someone681_]

i swear to god these kids have the worst home lives humanly possible. now that i know the lore i actually understand them kind of. i feel really bad

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

I am wondering what is nemlei's relationship with his family since the dad is a doormat or nonexistent in this, divilethion and no good noelle, and in them the mother is the main toxic figure. But in better half it's an abusive father, and in candy scabs it's a genderless god that is still compared to a parent.

[@tomhsia4354]

Their characters are disturbingly natural, too. It's hard creating characters this lifelike without experience.

[@wilfredocabreraromero8356]

@@tomhsia4354 existe la investigacion literaria ,historias de personas en internet redit por ejemplo algunos datos de psicologo amansa-locos (psiquiatras) y otros medios para ello no siempre tienes que tener experimentar el teme en persona solo sumergirte en ello de alguna forma como cuando lees un libro de cuentos en tu cabeza te lo imaginas

[@mrksimka1159]

I still of opinion that Nemlei is a She. The writing and dark humor is very subtle, we boys like our edge unapologetically in your face.😅

[@JustATrippyDuck]

@Noname-mi1oooh cool, I had a feeling just based on the art style

[@grancapitan700]

I would like to know what Mrs Graves wanted to say to Andrew when supposedly everyone was sleeping, maybe it was the main reason why the mother wanted them to sleep in separated room (so that she coukd speak to Andrew alone), this conversation could have changed the whole story. This is the only reason why maybe choosing the mother when the parents where tied up would have been a better option

[@aid7548]

We both know damn well where the comic at the end came from. And I'm gonna say this first: "curiousity killed the cat" 18:21 is the exact reaction I gave at the time.

[@sholandosmiguelito6508]

Well now im the cat thats about to die.

[@aid7548]

@@sholandosmiguelito6508 you poor fool... Why would you do this to yourself...

[@Furebel]

Being messed up just runs in the family. No wonder dad didn't even had portrait.