Running on Ketones AND Carbs | Ketone Deep Dive

Thanks to H.V.M.N. for sponsoring this video! Head to hvmn.com/flo to save 20% off your order of Ketone IQ. Michael Brandt is a 2:42 marathoner and the Co-Founder & CEO of Health Via Modern Nutrition H.V.M.N. We discuss drinkable Ketone-IQ shots, how to optimize your energy levels, innovations in the keto space, and more!
Ketone IQ™ by HVMN is a supplement that increases your blood ketone levels. Many people, including myself, find that increasing ketone levels, by using a supplement such as Ketone-IQ, can greatly improve cognitive ability and even physical output for mental performance and exercise.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intros
4:28 Welcome to Michael Brandt
6:09 Engineering approach to the human body
9:16 Glucose and ketone energy systems
12:00 Benefits of ketones and ketosis
18:50 US Department of Defense (special ops) contract
20:53 Pioneering ideas and use cases
25:41 Finding the right products in a crowded market
34:26 Self-actualisation through fuel and experimentation
39:31 Protocols for being optimal with ketosis
42:37 The spike and crash profile
45:56 Human body as a platform
49:11 Keeping it simple
51:25 Intuition
52:37 Fuelling for Marathon training and racing & life!
57:46 Healthy scepticism
1:01:03 Running as the parent sport
1:04:07 Michael’s own protocol for implementing Ketone IQ and other products
1:07:28 Energy used by the brain
1:10:10 Developments in the nutrition space, traumatic brain injury
1:15:52 Where to find/follow Michael
1:16:30 Closing thoughts
1:17:36 Outro
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Ketone IQ™ by HVMN is a supplement that increases your blood ketone levels. Many people, including myself, find that increasing ketone levels, by using a supplement such as Ketone-IQ, can greatly improve cognitive ability and even physical output for mental performance and exercise.
If you’d like to try Ketone IQ, you can go to hvmn.com/FLO to save 20% off your order of Ketone IQ.

[@FlorisGierman]

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[@mallasani]

thanks for bringing great information, i have ordered Ketone IQ and excited to test it out.

[@miroslavturcan6996]

I'm pretty new to MAF and training by HR. When I switched my watches from Pace to HR and slowed down I started increasing millage without being tired or exhausted during the day. That helped me become more productive at work, being nicer to kids (5yo, 3yo and 1yo) and feeling better doing daily routine at home. My goal is to keep everything simple and enjoy every minute out. Honestly, I'm watching different podcasts/channels related to running and why I subscribe to your channel (and only to your channel) is because the appearance of the speakers - all your guests are fresh and vital, full of energy, even yourself - smiling, being happy and enjoying life as it comes - and it's not easy everyday. My key takeaway from this video is related to how everything in the body is connected and if you can do one small thing to improve your running (and daily life in general) by 1% why to hesitate - but all other aspects needs to be in perfect balance - sleep/stress levels/nutrition. I'll never reach marathon under 3hrs. but IF (and IF ONLY) I'll be at 3:05 - 3:15 I swear to GOD I'll use all the ONEPERCENT improvements available. :) Thank you Floris for bringing this channel to public audience - all the topics are super interesting.

[@FlorisGierman]

Happy to hear that Miroslav, thank you! These days you surely have your hands full with 3 young kids. That balance of sleep / stress / nutrition / training is important indeed. Wishing you all the best on your running journey, enjoy!

[@miroslavturcan6996]

@@FlorisGierman Hello Mr. Gierman, just an update after few months of going easy pace with a little spice of speedwork I was able to reach 3:24:19 in a Bratislava Marathon - that's more than 35minutes improvement against the last Marathon 6months back. I have enjoyed every single mile of the run, all the people along the course. The recipe is simple - easy volume, good nutrition, sleep, mindset and mindful running. Thanks again, I learned a lot from your podcast!

[@saynuu]

I sat comfortably as I was very much excited to spend an hour at the topic of high interest for me. Unfortunately, 10 seconds in, I read the description. Maybe not a problem for some, but is for me. I really like your channel and wish you all the best, and I hope your channel will not turn into like of million others money making machines. Thank you.

[@joevr12]

Loved the part on keeping it simple. With an overload of information, that part gets lost too much

[@FlorisGierman]

Great takeaway right there Joe! Indeed keeping things simple is so important for consistency in the long term.

[@toddmarentette]

Thank you Floris and Michael. Interesting topic indeed, introduced me to some science that I’m not well versed in. I totally agree that our brain limits us and if there’s a way to keep it a bit happier such that we can hold our finger to the proverbial flame a bit longer, i’m all ears. The biggest takeaway for me, how much energy is used by the brain and that fat cannot be used to fuel the brain. I am intrigued in how ketones can help us enter a flow state, and assist us with deep focus, without the need for sugar, caffeine. 1:07:30 … thank you.

[@teleskees]

The cost of Ketone IQ is too expensive. Plenty or rest, great nutrition, excellent management of how many “irons” in the fire, and proper low HR training, seems like a much cheaper option. I would have to work “extra” to afford the product and that would take away from the very training time that I need to put in. Lol. Maybe this works for “elite” athletes, but for a back of the pack older ultra runner, its probably best to stick to the tried and true, but boring basics. IF this product was about a third of the listed price, well maybe.

[@roberttesar2484]

I would be interested in hearing your guest’s reaction to these two paragraphs that I recently read on the EVOQ website. “This becomes very important when we start to compare products, as you will learn that HVMN’s KetoneIQ is not an ester at all; it is simply R-1,3 Butanediol, without the ester bond. This is actually more along the lines of an alcohol that can make you inebriated. The fact that Ketone IQ is missing the BHB is a huge problem, as R-1,3 (BDO) alone is in the same family as alcohol! There have been studies showing that subjects in tests felt inebriated when consuming HVMN’s Ketone IQ, and I can attest to that feeling.” Thank you.

[@GTE_Channel]

Interesting, but would like the whole article for context

[@ericchevalley]

Interesting topic. Looking forward to seeing what other use cases will exist in the future.

[@FlorisGierman]

Yes it really is Eric. Many more use cases to follow and more scientific studies in the works as well. Curious how this space will look in the next 5 years.

[@titosinha]

THE SECRET SAUCE is…. open ended questions on the uphills 😂 best truth serum ever!!! 🤣

[@FlorisGierman]

Haha, works every time Tito! I think my friends are starting to realize this by now too :) 🤣

[@philippernst4877]

As much as I enjoyed this episode, I don't understand how Michel can compare our body to a piece of technology (e.g. a mashine) I love biohacking, but this comparison always leaves me puzzled 😅 Our body can use different fuels, it adapts to our activity level, it repairs itself, it can't be switched on and off, it's alive, it's unique. How is it like a mashine? Thank you for the extramilest podcast anyway! I love every episode. My takeaway: ketone fueling is the carbon shoe of the future and I'll enjoy my fasted morning runs until then. Takeaway no2 is the 2 phone idea. great one!

[@FlorisGierman]

Haha, totally know what you mean Philipp. I think MB refer to the body as a machine from the perspective of being able to tweak things, modify and optimize the performance of our bodies, in some similar ways as things like a car. For years we knew much more about the inside of our cars than about the inside of our bodies. Now with the continuous tracking devices, HRV measurements in wearables, blood lab tests like Inside tracker, etc we can get a direct feedback loop and make relative quick modifications. For example, wearing a CGM myself, it was incredibly eye opening to read what my blood sugar levels were doing after 3 eggs in the morning, vs a bowl of oats in the morning, night and day with blood sugar spikes and also identifying sensations in your body with data points in blood sugar levels. So to some extent I can see how you can start seeing your body as a machine with fuel in to optimize things. That being said, it's just one piece of the puzzle. The mind has to be in the right place as well, so rate of perceived exertion / energy levels / happiness levels etc all come into play as well. Glad you love every episode, that means a lot to me, thank you. Great takeaways right there! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Enjoy your runs!

[@philippernst4877]

Thank you very much, Floris! I can understand it that better now. That Ketone fueling sounds very interesting, once i've fully built that base, I'll give it a try... I "biohack" with Cordyceps and Chaga Mushroom for my long runs some times, it really improves stemina and lowers fatigue and helps with nosebreathing and recovery. Monitoring blood glucose levels is on the list now, too... wish you all the best! Keep the extramilest episodes coming. 👍🙏

[@xtamhor]

Key takeaway, Ketones can be added as supplement and not only by natural ketosis. Also didn't know I could get testers that would measure ketone levels in the blood. Question in my mind.. How much less calories a regular guy would need to take in (eat less) during a day when using ketone IQ to avoid gaining weight? Most of us are not tour de France athletes under extreme stress. Not even marathon training comes close. I would aproach this with rather carefully. Lot of questions still.

[@FlorisGierman]

Great takeaway, I wasn't very familiar with this until last year myself either. Yes, several different ketone level testers out there, some more accurate than others. The pee strips are less accurate. Calorie intake can be the same you would normally take, since Ketone IQ only has 70 calories per serving. There is a appetite suppressant, so you might feel less desire to eat. Keeping an eye on calorie intake and getting in enough calories is an important once too for recreational endurance athletes, as many athletes who train for races like a marathon under-eat.

[@GTE_Channel]

58:30 thats a good question. I actually remember an interview years ago from the (at the time) sports nutritionist from the leading Dutch cycling team. She said the whole ketone thing was nonsense and carbs where the way to go for performance. A few scenarios: 1. She is now unemployed 2. She was lying to the public to keep the secret to themself as we know now they where one of the first to go this route

[@FlorisGierman]

That's interesting to hear. Yes important to ask questions from different viewpoints. I'm excited to see how things will develop further in the next 3 to 5 years in this metabolic performance space.

[@Marathon5151]

I am transitioning to a low-carb diet. I did the usual carb-load for my last marathon (Publix Atlanta 2023) and felt so bloated and my legs were dead. I was still able to get 2:57 and notch another state under three hours, but I feel better when running with less carbs during my trainings. I will see how not carb-loading for the LA marathon will work out. I guess my body can’t handle the carbs much anymore at 39 years old, haha.

[@FlorisGierman]

Well done on your Sub 3 marathon already! There are many ways to go about nutrition in training and racing. This is where experimenting on long runs and journaling your dinner, breakfast and race day nutrition can make a big difference. Personally I wouldn't put all eggs in one basket and leaving these things up to race day to "make it or break it". Training this on long runs will get these potential surprises out of the way. Have a great time at the Los Angeles Marathon, don't underestimate that last uphill towards the finish line. Kofuzi and I surely were feeling those last few miles going up. Enjoy!

[@Marathon5151]

@@FlorisGierman Thank you. Atlanta makes it state #12 under three hours. Had a good speed run today and looking to be in the 2:30s or low 2:40s for LA. It was good to a have hilly and tough marathon three weeks before LA. It will make LA hills seem relatively easy.

[@FlorisGierman]

@@Marathon5151 o you're on a mission, that's fast and exciting to go into LAM feeling strong and ready for those hills! Time to fly soon :)

[@Marathon5151]

@@FlorisGierman Yeah, it's been an aggressive year. Ran NYC marathon last year in 2:50:01, ran the St. Jude Memphis marathon a month later in 2:43:57, then ran Big Beach marathon in 2:37:07 at the end of January. After LA, will be running the Garmin marathon a month later and possibly the Pittsburgh marathon in May.

[@FlorisGierman]

@@Marathon5151 what an exciting year for you. My next race is the Berlin marathon in September, then the Revel Marathon Big Bear in November.

[@drexbargas]

Great interview FG!

[@BillOzanne]

What do you use for a CGM and have you done any podcasts on the use cases and benefits for endurance athletes?

[@FlorisGierman]

Yes, here is an Extramilest podcast about CGM use for athletes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJnRYXuDjd5gmK8 I use a NutriSense CGM - bit.ly/3Xebylh

[@invisibleliberty2275]

I have a question. Do you have to take keto iq everyday even if you are not on a ketogenic diet? Also, can you mix with Maurten drink mix.

[@georgeturner9110]

Orange County trails off the 73, up from Nix Nature Center, right!

[@BillyD287]

This guy is a freaking genius. I recently bought his product to take before runs and also studying for test. I was a on a keto diet for 3 yes and recently got back on it. Keto is awesome for my body and mind however I do notice a little less energy for runs without healthy carbs and staying under 60 grams a day. I’m nowhere at the level of you guys but trying to learn and podcast such as this one really helps.

[@FlorisGierman]

MB surely has a lot of BIG innovative ideas and is not afraid to go after it. Glad you had positive experiences with Ketone IQ. Going under 60 grams / carbs a day is very low, especially when you're an endurance athletes. I've tried running on nutritional ketosis and it was simply too hard with family life, traveling, etc. Also during speedwork I felt I was missing a top gear. I personally feel better with some more carbs (still low), medium protein and higher in fat. Before long / hard training sessions and before a race I will increase my carb amount a bit and notice a significant difference. All the best on your running journey!

[@AnonymousPeople0008]

My takeaway; I will be testing strict fruitarian vs paleo diet (possibly carnivore diet) to see what is the optimal diet for training/running a marathon. I just got into running and will be completing my first marathon this year! This is going to be a very interesting/exciting year! Thanks for the opportunity to win a giveaway and thank you for the videos you produce!

[@FlorisGierman]

That's exciting about your upcoming race! There are many different ways to approach training and racing for a marathon. From my point of view for your first marathon, I'd keep things simple, not going too extreme in either direction. Strict fruitarian or carnivore diet are both extreme on different sides of the spectrum. Many athletes run well with moderation of vegetables, fruits, meats. Enjoy your training and upcoming race, you will always remember your first marathon :)

[@GTE_Channel]

Takewaway: Science is rarely absolute but allways in motion. Keep an open mind on any subject if you want to keep progressing.

[@FlorisGierman]

Very well said Dennis. We are never ever going to reach consensus when it comes to nutrition, especially when it's combined with innovation. Keeping an open mind here can be helpful.

[@alanrobinson2229]

Looking at the cost of this product,if I used as suggested,it would cost me more than my income(so I could do with those free training shoes).

[@FlorisGierman]

Totally understand and this may not be for everyone. Also, I personally take this mostly for mental performance in the mornings for deep work. For running, I have only taken it on longer and or harder workouts and will for some future races. Appreciate your comment and winner for the free training shoes will be announced on this channel late April. Stay tuned!

[@alanrobinson2229]

This information is far from new,thou the properly funded studies are. Many,many years ago,it was said that dementia patients were improving with taking coconut oil,which contains MCT. Iam about to set out on a 12 mile run and have put a teaspoon of coconut oil in my oats to see if I notice any difference in performance😊

[@richardmiddleton7770]

Why do I always here fat burning has a higher oxygen demand yet you're saying ketones have a lower oxygen demand?!

[@spacebbq]

Key Takeaway: I really want to try Ketone supplements like Ketone IQ to see if it really has a positive effect on cognitive ability and athletic performance. The cost is a massive disadvantage however. Delivery of Ketones is also a key consideration too low and you don’t benefit from the supplement too high of a spike in ketones and you’ll be uncomfortable due to GI issues with less of the performance benefit! 😅

[@FlorisGierman]

Totally get it, not for everyone. The international shipping cost and production cost might come down further over the coming years as well. You'll be able to dial in the right amount pretty quickly, between 1 / 2 / 3 shots to feel what's right for you and for what use case.

[@averilal]

Honestly, that it all started with a defense contract. My first job out of college was as an auditor for the defense department and I got to see some very cool products and research being done by smaller companies like Michael's. It's super interesting to know what the military is looking into. People have no idea how many ideas start there but turn into companies like this. Interesting to me at least! Thanks Flo!

[@FlorisGierman]

That's awesome you got to see that up close. Lots of innovations coming out of Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) too, with things like The Internet, SIRI, GPS. The “Operation Metabolic Dominance” around ketones is indeed super interesting too.

[@Tom-lf7zw]

So the product only gives you ten grams of ketones? That doesn’t sound like enough to make a big difference

[@FlorisGierman]

1 serving is 35 ml, this contains 10g of Ketones (as R-1,3-Butanediol). When you take this in the morning after you wake up, so in fasted state, you'll notice your ketone levels increase significantly within 15 minutes. I've noticed effects from 1 shot. Tried 2 and 3 shots too. Anything over 2 shots at once, I get a slight headache, similar feeling to being too deep into ketosis, so I don't take anything over 2 shots at once. I've found the difference to be a bit less noticeable when consumed around (bigger) meals.

[@Tom-lf7zw]

@@FlorisGierman Interesting, I guess that makes sense

[@abigailwestbrook6027]

There was so much valuable information in this interview! It was helpful to learn more about what ketones are. Favorite takeaway: ketones support not only athletic performance but everyday activities.

[@michaelovens5875]

I like the takeaway that you definitely do not need to be in ketosis to be a fat adapted runner

[@FlorisGierman]

Indeed Michael! I often hear athletes going overboard and extreme with nutrition. There is no need to be in ketosis to improve your fat burning abilities.

[@IT_Farhan]

Well technically you are in some level of ketosis every time you go for a zone 1/2 run.

[@LuisBecerra79]

My biggest takeaway is how he knows that technology in the human body is just starting. There’s so much to do to get the body ready and prepared.

[@FlorisGierman]

This is just the beginning indeed Luis. It's a fine line, but exciting to see what's happening with innovation inventions now and in the years ahead.

[@i_would_but_i_wont]

Reputation is important, Floris. Sponsorships is one thing, but thinly veiled sponsored episodes comes across as deceptive.

[@FlorisGierman]

Appreciate your feedback Joe and I’m not trying to mislead in any way. Instead of doing 90 second ad read like Andrew Huberman did with Ketone-IQ for example, I prefer to take a deeper dive into this topic, learn several things myself and share my own experiences with ketosis and carbs in training, racing and daily life too. This includes asking questions from a skeptical perspective too.

[@izatt82]

​@@FlorisGierman I am with Floris on this one. I prefer a deep dive episode like this to try to learn more and have a real conversation.

[@gustavojc]

I agree totally. Too much propaganda. A more exempt analysis of the subject would deep dive on the health and cost benefits of natural ketones. If the video did me a favor it was of not rejecting the idea that a carnivore (or low carb diet) is to be preferred to other diets full of expensive and useless suplements.

[@JohnSmith-hy1zo]

I think it's a solid video. Most people would be cordial in a normal conversation with the guy and let him make his case, even if they were skeptical. You're also telling us about something that you've tried yourself. It seems pretty transparent, which is a good thing. Great work bro!

[@anathamon]

i dunno i thought he was pretty transparent

[@Kernoe]

gulp!

[@FlorisGierman]

🤣 🚀

[@bagarovski]

Ketone is the new running hoax 😅😅😅