Flow-through cans are better | MFT suppressors

[@PolenarTactical]

Slovenian company featured in the video is *MFT suppressors* You will soon be able to find their products in our store. For any business inquiries you can contact them directly: suppressors.si/en/

[@canal10centrado]

There is also a version with a muzzle brake insted of the flash hider for stupid countries such as Portugal, where flash hiders can only be used by law enforcement. But no worries, portuguese people can order those special orders with me ;-)

[@f308gtb1977]

Send them to us in the US. We wont tell!

[@canal10centrado]

@@f308gtb1977 now there's something you can envy us europeans (most countries) - we can mail order suppressors without any license.

[@Stinger913]

Brother I really heard “NFT suppressor” and did a fat double take -10 seconds rewind

[@EddieRiggsBF3]

As a Czech, i like seeing Vz. 58 in video.

[@robertjones2811]

I still need to buy one but they are $1400 US in America. Very overpriced.

[@PolenarTactical]

@@robertjones2811 that really is overpriced Mine was $270 new 😅 I regret buying only 3 rifles...

[@justme_gb]

Boat rides aren't cheap Žiga! The American "Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994" (aka 1994 Crime bill, assault weapons ban) royally hosed up European/commie arms prices in the US. A 1993 $100 SKS of any flavor is 8+ times that now. Better arms are $1,000+. Anything imported after 2004 is sold at a premium because the market supports those prices.

[@rungunpeppers]

Looks solid, I think flow through suppressors are a must for semi automatic rifles, especially if you are wrong handed. Do own classic and flow through and it is huge difference if you shot fast and more than 3 rounds :) Can you do comparison video between different brands? Would be interesting to see how much/less dirt is getting into internals and how POI is affected.

[@PolenarTactical]

That’s my point, if you shoot more than just occasional benchrest you will appreciate a flow through or reduced backpressure cans. Hmm, that could be an interesting video…

[@mrfunswitch]

since B&T started 3d printing inconel and titanium cans with the SRBS and Print X, other european companies will have a hard time to compete.

[@mc-sillix961]

Hab den QDM SRBS gesehen, gefällt mir echt gut. Auch wenn ich kein Rotex/BT fan bin.

[@PolenarTactical]

3D printed suppressors are far from new in Europe, they just fill a different niche The downside is that those suppressors are expensive and unserviceable

[@mrfunswitch]

@@PolenarTactical well, swiss quality ain't cheap and I don't see a reason why rifle cans for intermediate calibers have to be serviced. sure, in the US they often have baffle strikes because many of their "gun smiths" aren't able to cut a decent thread but if you don't buy a trash rifle you won't have any alignment issues and therefore no baffle strikes and therefore no reason for a serviceable can. and cleaning a can is pointless. almost like cleaning the exhaust of a car.

[@soulshot96]

@@PolenarTactical I assume you mean for repair/warranty work? In that case, HUXWRX has some level of serviceability with their 3D printed cans in the US. As long as you don't send a round through the outer wall, they drill out the center and weld in a new 3D printed 'core'. End users have had it done and reported good results. CAT also apparently has some level of serviceability, but they haven't given any details, so I'm not sure what their 'methods' are.

[@PolenarTactical]

@@soulshot96 ha, i didnt know that they can do that

[@muleteam66]

Using the VZ58 for the demonstration is a cool flex 🍻

[@peteraugust5295]

I am still waiting for a flow thru supressor that uses small turbine blades to power spinning propeller in the front. Maybe some of you supresor nuts in more free countries can pick up on that idea. My concept basically includes a hollow shaft thru which the bullet passes, turbine blaces on its outside an a large propellor with a 2 blade propeller, like on those clown hats. Imagine shooting a full magazine thru this rifle on a hot summer day, to then enjoy a cool breeze from the fan while it makes a zzzzzzzzzzzmmmmmmm. sound. That would be epic.

[@karlo2882]

well since suppressors can get quite hot i would imagine the breeze from 300 degree suppressor wouldn't be as enjoyable as one might think.

[@armorers_wrench]

I don't think we'll ever see these on the American market but for what its worth it looked like it was machined well. I mean, from what I can see in the video.

[@mftsuppressors]

We take care about the details. We are serious about the quality of our products.

[@JohnZ556]

829€, stainless, 22oz(≈ Nomad-L + Keymo QD), 2-yr warranty. That means for the size and material it has little effective volume. I won't buy one. Just get an SRBS 3d printed Inconel for about the same price, ~ a half pound less weight, better reliability(doesn't come apart), better longevity(Inconel 718), and a lifetime warranty. Probably has better performance since 3d printed star baffles with channels are super efficient, also it has a more intricate design for flash suppression and front venting. A well designed suppressor should be made so that gas/combustion happens in a specific and controlled manner, it really shouldn't allow users to play with the baffles.🤔

[@PolenarTactical]

@@JohnZ556 i see you have your own beliefs which is fine, but it seems foolish to talk about this suppressor like this without even seeing it in person, much less actually testing it. If you prefer welded up or 3D suppressors, great. But user serviceable suppressors exist for a reason

[@JohnZ556]

@@PolenarTactical Sure I have not used an MFT can, I'm merely a suppressor nerd sharing my observations and speculation based on what I can find and my experience with different cans. This isn't a belief, 3D printing absolutely beats CNC when we start to design flow-through, reduced backpressure, or PIP(impossible with CNC). For any reduced backpressure can, you will have some type of channels/vents, those have to be simplified for CNC and most certainly have to be done in pieces. 3D printing can make way more efficient (complex) designs without additional cost, and it eliminates the dead weights that CNC must leave for wielding/assembling. B&T and OSS have already done similar things(very different approaches) with CNC, the RBS was extremely heavy(33oz) and thick because of the outer flow chamber and durability requirements. OSS BPR was quite large and still heavy(24oz), and it comes in many pieces not really meant for duty use. Both have huge drawbacks, B&T now has a 100% printed SRBS line, and OSS replaced it with fully optimized and wielded HX-QD before going fully 3d printed Flow series and changing its name to Huxwrx. All of those steps are for very good reasons and actual upgrades. Now Huxwrx has a Ventum line that seems like the closest to MFT. But with 3d printed core for better weight/performance efficiency, tho I personally don't like Ti cored cans because of sparks and heat erosions. I know Ventum is impressively low backpressure and modular, but it's not as good as the 3d printed Flow for overall performance. I do wish MFT outperforms the Ventum, but from all I can see for now it might just be a similar product(way heavier but more durable?) at best. Because Huxwrx can just 3d print an Inconel or Stainless core for the Ventum. Still, neither would be my pick. You're a dealer in the EU, so maybe you can do a comparison between a few different 'flow-through' cans? That will be interesting!

[@JoshuaCalvert80]

That Perun looks so good, almost as good as mine 😊 For now I'm running an Ase Utra Dual, but perhaps I give MFT a try...

[@ElChris816]

Science is so fucking amazing. There are some big brains in Slovenia working on these devices.

[@monado550]

Polenar Tactical is the superior conteny creator. He shout out half of youtube in a single 8 minute video. I will forever live in shame of not being born Slovenian and sharing the same blood as Polenar Tactical

[@justme_gb]

Slovenia is a beautiful country with wonderful people! Having been in every country that came from Yugoslavia, Slovenia was the gem in that rough.

[@EVLfreak666]

The few, the proud, the Slovenians.🫡 With love from USA🇺🇸

[@AllAboutSurvival]

I can see the appeal of reducing gas blowback and avoiding that annoying gunpowder residue in the face.

[@youreright7534]

That smarter every day video is legendary. Still seeing it mentioned so many years later just goes to show

[@PolenarTactical]

he makes great content

[@blackcoffee730]

Love your sense of humor and content!

[@PolenarTactical]

Thanks :)

[@swedish992]

Bought the mtf cq 556 a couple of weeks ago, was supposed to buy the Sai m80k but the "quick" attatchement of that one sucked! But is super satisfied with the mtf cq 556!

[@mftsuppressors]

I am glad to hear this 😊

[@PolenarTactical]

What was wrong with the m80k attachment? I wanted to get one for my retro build because i would like to run A2 flashhider

[@EasternSkyCorps]

This has to be my favorite serious but not serious guntuber channel.

[@PolenarTactical]

Thanks :D

[@ZlyCholesterol]

Sending love and hugs to Slovenia❤❤

[@lohikarhu734]

Slovenian's are a real powerhouse in sports, too! Ski jumping, now ”Tour de everything” bicycle champion! Beautiful country, beautiful flag, great people!

[@OutcastAngelV]

Smarter Every Day and Polenar is the crossover I need in my life.

[@MrM666-6]

Thanks to share this technology with us , with the first company "OSS/HUXWORKS" there are not so much choice to buy such suppressor . Sadly on their shop i didn't find one for an AK103 in thread M24x1.25RH . Maybe soon .

[@Crangaso]

Solvenia ROCKS!

[@titanscerw]

NATO compatible as in Ase Utra QM2 mount would be superb!

[@PolenarTactical]

i was really keen on the NATO compatibility but then figured that it would fit only on one of my rifles - the retro build 😅 Suppressor manufacturers have to make a unified QD mounting solution and start using it for all the cans

[@Bravebelly]

Great content! Love your channel 👌🏼

[@PolenarTactical]

Thanks!

[@crustyroach6921]

God bless you in Slovenia it's weird nowadays to be proud of your home country.......😮

[@IJusaI]

Wonder how these stack againts Silent Steels supressors.

[@LosRiji]

The patina on that thang goo'damn

[@JohnZ556]

Looks like one of those old B&T RBS cans with some influences from Huxwrx. I love the new SRBS 762 Inconel, 3d printed reduced-pressure cans are just more efficient given the same material and similar design. Things like efficient baffle shapes and small channels/vents often aren't easy/cheap to CNC.

[@PolenarTactical]

That's true - multi axis CNC for these baffles must be super expensive

[@evan3715]

Great video. I showed this to my new gun friend and now he understands why he shouldnt buy a [REDACTED]

[@guitarfreak122]

There are so many new options that seem like a good choice im having trouble settling on one for my first can.

[@PolenarTactical]

For what gun do you need it for and how much do you shoot?

[@guitarfreak122]

@@PolenarTactical AR15. 2 to 3 thousand rounds a year.

[@PolenarTactical]

@@guitarfreak122 i presume AR15 is chambered in .223/5.56 so you wont be shooting subsonics. That means that you will have to be using ear pro so it doesnt make sense to search for the quietest can. Depends if you have an adjustable gas system or not but i would highly recommend some kind of flow through can or at least low backpressure. If you dont shoot at night and with NVGs then you also dont need that much flash suppression. If weight and maneuverability is more important to you than suppression, i would go with shorter cans. If you shoot a lot or if you shoot fast, keep away from aluminum or titanium cans. You also need to decide if you want a suppressor that will be dedicated only for this rifle and will stay on (maybe direct thread) or you would want to often remove it or use it also with different rifle or even calibers? - so probably multi-caliber can with some kind of QD attachment. And of course price point, that's also a factor :) TL;DR - figure out what are your needs and preferences and then use them to find suitable options

[@CarbonGlassMan]

So it costs more and works less?

[@HotepSaoirse]

If only we could get this in the States. Regs suck man

[@Slay_No_More]

My friend is saying the same things about flow-through designs. Just out of curiosity, I'm posting without watching the video, but is the process of obtaining a device such as these from where you're from goofy like it is here in the usa?

[@PolenarTactical]

In the past suppressors were super illegal here. With a positive change of our gun laws suppressors are now completely legal and unregulated here. Anyone can buy, produce or sell a suppressor. It's as easy to buy as a muzzle brake

[@sugiyonotahu]

love your vids ❤

[@PolenarTactical]

Thanks

[@klimentvoroshilov8273]

Try oil filter adapter... 😁

[@PolenarTactical]

We did but youtube didnt like it. We also made and tried a 3D printed suppressor and got a strike for it KZbin sucks

[@Bob-m6u]

When the price and weight both come down, i will buy one.

[@philipejeuceoututkache]

Hi Ziga. I'm curious. A few months ago, on a gun show video, I think on TFBTV I'm not sure, on TinckArms stand, there was that Slovenian engineer, very shy and reserved guy, who explained is very complex suppressor. Tinck said it was going to enter in production later in the year. Is it this brand who worked with that engineer? because the mechanism inside looks like the same. PS: also can I have that perunX16 plz? Hard to find here xD

[@PolenarTactical]

yes, this is the same suppressor

[@philipejeuceoututkache]

@@PolenarTactical Ahaha I knew it. That "helicoidal jet engine shape" called me. Did you, out of curiosity used a decibel-meter to see what are the results with it? Or maybe in a future video VS other suppressors for 5.56?

[@PolenarTactical]

@@philipejeuceoututkache we never had the chance to use one of those proper decibel meters as those are super expensive. But im wondering myself because the MFT sounds very quiet and effective for a flow through design. Maybe we can make a comparison video in the future

[@philipejeuceoututkache]

@@PolenarTactical Would super cool. Even more if you could, maybe not buy because as you said it's expensive, but maybe rent a decibel meter?

[@bebop_557]

I am surprised Ziga owns silencers. He is the type of man who would own a gun loudener instead. And shout an Orkboyz "WAUUUUGH" as he crumps anyone who insults his perogies.

[@PsihoKekec]

Pierogies are not Slovenian they are Polish. Žganci on the other hand...

[@AkPingu]

Worst backpressure experience till now was a Russian Saiga-9 with supressor followed by a B&t Mp9.

[@PolenarTactical]

Ukrainian Strela suppressor on 11.5" overgassed AR15 - after only 3 shots my eyes were red and watering

[@SB-qp3nh]

Similar to my Huxwrx Flow 556k

[@lawdawg02actual]

I know your pinned comment said available soon. Any idea how soon? Great video!

[@PolenarTactical]

Already available through the manufacturer. Hopefully we get them in a week or two to our stores

[@cxsey8587]

Are these coming to USA?

[@PolenarTactical]

Probably not, US has very strict laws regarding the import and export of suppressors

[@cxsey8587]

@@PolenarTactical sad days 😓

[@Forster1973]

Hello, 0’40’’ : brand of the rifle ? Do you know if MFT export to Switzerland ? See ya

[@epicfortnitekid8536]

Twink arms perun

[@epicfortnitekid8536]

Tinck arms* my bad

[@PolenarTactical]

Perun X16 from Tinck Arms It's best to write to MFT directly but i see no reason why they wouldnt be able to export to Switzerland. Once we get their suppressors in our shop we can also ship them anywhere in Europe

[@Forster1973]

@@PolenarTacticalThanks so much mate !!!

[@Forster1973]

@@epicfortnitekid8536👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@WeatherMan404]

ok you showed low light that it doesnt flash but what about under nvgs

[@PolenarTactical]

too see performance under NVGs in future videos, please donate to our Patreon 😆

[@christopherandrew6545]

Hello ziga and gang, great video. How did you guys learn English? You’re such a natural speaker sometimes I forgot you are our friendly neighborhood slavs.

[@PolenarTactical]

Thank you! We have english in elementary and high school as a mandatory language but i really learned the most by watching cartoon network and english movies 😅 Also traveling around the world and speaking it almost daily really improved my english. Nowadays i still use opportunities like speaking with my friends from US, watching YT videos and listening to various podcasts to improve my vocabulary. Sometimes it's still hard or even quite funny when we have to do 20 takes for a video because my brain just doesnt want to work 😂

[@carnicero7590]

Ase utra dual, silent steel or MFT ?

[@Wade-1]

Unless you're shooting sub sonic rounds

[@PolenarTactical]

Correct, as i mentioned in the video

[@GLMtr]

Like for the Czechoslovakian scythe.

[@wastedangelematis]

0:00 - 0:40 I was afraid his leg would be hammer forged by those boulders... 0_0

[@williamwinn948]

The sig slx is pretty goos

[@angushughes5371]

I like Laibach. They're Slovenian.

[@adler830]

So, modern take on wire mesh suppressors?

[@PolenarTactical]

that would be Silent Steel, they actually use a wire mesh inner core

[@chriswood9836]

I've been looking at cans for a while and idk what the best one for my setup would be based upon the descriptions of each

[@PolenarTactical]

For what gun do you need it for? How much do you shoot?

[@chriswood9836]

@@PolenarTactical I got a 556 Ruger and probably round 5k rnds a month

[@ericbergfield6451]

I'm a suppressor enjoyer

[@Milspecpoptart]

MFT... More F**kin Tactical

[@jb7483]

Been using surefire since my military days. During nighttime, I'll stick with my RC2 during the day RC3. Both types have their place. Both types have drawbacks. No free lunch.

[@PolenarTactical]

is RC3 the one that creates a crazy big muzzle flash on SBRs?

[@armorers_wrench]

@@PolenarTactical Only if you use one of the mounts that lacks the labyrinth seals like the Warcomp. I think their muzzle brake has the seals? I don't know 100% if the brake has the seals but I do know for a fact that the 3prong and 4 prong flash hiders do not generate the crazy flash. The RC3 was designed to work with the 3/4prong flash hiders. I think they did that because they know their military customers use the 3/4prong exclusively. If you watch video of it being fired with the 3 prong or 4 prong it is just like the RC2 and may even be better in some cases.

[@PolenarTactical]

@@armorers_wrench i saw a youtube video where the a guy tested an RC3 (i think) and it produced a big muzzle flash at night. There were some caveat to the testing, maybe the guy was using a muzzle brake instead of a flashider to mount it on

[@ExpatriotSilencers]

The comment about supersonic flight noise is kind of incorrect in that it depends where you are shooting. Outdoors, the shooter is never directly exposed to the projectile flight noise, therefore it is a moot point. Indoors, the supersonic flight noise is reflected back at the shooter and can be quite loud. You can think of flight noise like the wake from a speedboat. The person standing on the shore, while the boat moves away, is never directly exposed to the wake created by the moving boat.

[@PolenarTactical]

Interesting theory that can easily be refuted by anyone that has ever shot subsonic and supersonic ammo through a suppressor. Outdoors the sound is not that loud but still way past hearing safe. You cant make supersonic rounds hearing safe by using a suppressor. You can shoot them outdoors because it doesnt hurt the ears too much but know that you are still damaging your hearing. The damage is cumulative and irreversible

[@ExpatriotSilencers]

@@PolenarTactical I have been designing, building and testing sound suppressors for 20 years. I was trained to sound test suppressors by Alan Paulson and Phil Dater, who are the godfathers of firearm sound testing. I also hold several US patents on sound suppressors. The supersonic shockwave travels perpendicular to the bullet's path, which means the shooter is never directly exposed to the sound. The shooter only hears reflected noise from the bullet. Any decent suppressor will be hearing safe at the muzzle, on a bolt gun. Which makes it hearing safe for the shooter. SA's are different due to noise coming out the ejection port.

[@PolenarTactical]

@@ExpatriotSilencers i imagined that someone that designed suppressors would know better Please tell me you're not using still using 140 decibels as "hearing safe"

[@razorsharpness4]

Where are your Lynx and Finnish brutality videos? For some reason i haven't seen them.

[@IMABEAST191]

High back pressure non flow thru cans suck ass if you shoot a lot. Yes they are super quite but man does it suck especially if you are indoors doing cqb type shit and when you start sweating that blow back on you face starts burning it makes for a miserable day.

[@PolenarTactical]

Especially if you shoot multiple rounds in fast succession

[@clap5]

Well I believe OSS originally made this same concept before they became Hux Works. Also, I believe I heard that the muzzle break causes some issues to the suppressor. I think it’s the gases causing some sort of excessive wear on the can. That’s why you now see most with flash hiders.

[@VeryFastRodi]

Me watching as a fellow european that cant get a suppressor 😢 I can use large drums on my pistol or rifle if i want, so i guess thats an offset 😂

[@Argentum7756]

This looks like an adaptation of the OSS/HuxWrx FlowBaffles. Not that Hux will probably care since this is a foreign country serving a different market. The construction is very similar to early OSS as well. More players on the market, the better for the market I say. Good on ya Slovenia, carry on.

[@bluesheep2021]

#Boolit

[@PopeRocket]

Not to be confused with "NFT" suppressors.

[@PolenarTactical]

those suck

[@LosRiji]

But it weakens the pew

[@NOTSOSLIMJIM]

Car-sa-na-genic. Yeah, it's an off word.

[@Saint.Stifler]

J'utilise B&T .

[@erggml1887]

Here are a few pointers for people who are not as familiar with these newer flow-through suppressors: 1 - They really are great about not needing much to get working well on gas-operated rifles. The most common mod is simply the muzzle device for attachment, and that's it. 2-The muzzle devices that require threading should really have reverse threads for the suppressor-to-device interface. That way, taking the suppressor off requires turning it in the direction that will tighten the muzzle device onto the barrel instead of taking it off. 3 - VERY high-temperature anti-seize for the threads and taper mount on the exterior of the muzzle device is a huge help-the carbon ring can really lock the suppressor on there, so any help you get with that is nice. 4-Get the highest-temperature pot holder or equivalent and keep it in your range bag. Use it when possible to try to loosen the suppressor before it cools down too much. This really helps with suppressor removal for later cleaning of the rifle, etc. 5 - Between the toxins, the carcinogens, the other byproducts of the firing cycle, and the traditional suppressor forcing it all back into your face, it is a very noticeable thing to deal with - it's like angry tear gas, and it just plain sucks. Flow through is a welcome addition that will reduce this significantly. 6 - Those who shoot under night vision will notice a reduction in gasses around your face, meaning there is less there to flare up brightly under the infrared illumination and therefore less to essentially flare up and effectively blind you during longer strings of fire. It does not totally eliminate this, but any reduction is welcome.

[@superscuba73]

Slava Sloveniji

[@australovenatortomino_1741]

Sadly my weight limit for a suppressor is 450 g, otherwise my rifle would be too fat.

[@PolenarTactical]

What kind of suppressor do you use?

[@australovenatortomino_1741]

@@PolenarTactical None right now, I wanted to get a Huxwrks can but getting that in Europe will be a pain so right now I am looking at a Silent steel Streamer compact (steel version).

[@PolenarTactical]

@@australovenatortomino_1741 those are great I love the micro gen 3 - it small, light and suppresses enough for my use I've heard that Silent Steel is also working on a proper QD system but i font know when that will come out

[@GnomeNorthOfTheWall]

Ah Slovenia is indeed a great east-European country

[@invictus.9469]

Slovenia the austrian/german serbs

[@0Logan05]

Rad🤙🏻

[@ladykiller4832]

Sadly over 800€

[@Sheppard2030]

Yus

[@thodstagshorn1198]

You guys have beautiful women and wonderful hostels too....

[@Mithradates_of_Los_Angeles]

👍🏻👏🏻

[@vonWeizhacker69]

Zentraleuropa...

[@raymond7269]

Car sin a gin

[@LosRiji]

Europäers

[@garrettsayger1275]

Flow through = extremely loud. Adjustable gas solves the same problem and a traditional silencer will be more quiet.

[@PolenarTactical]

Not all flow through suppressors are loud - for example the MFT one seems as quiet at the shooters ear as some conventional cans. I didnt want to mention this in the video because we didnt measure it so it's just my personal observation. We are thinking of doing a suppressor comparison in a video but finding a normally priced decibel measuring device seems impossible

[@LosRiji]

Snowminions are funny

[@woodrowcall3158]

Only better for troglodyte tuned autos. For those of us with refined autos and manual actions, we’ll take superior signature reduction.

[@Ju379an]

The broken English of this man…

[@LosRiji]

Snowminions am I right

[@buffaloshite]

VZ58 FTW!

[@roger_hauer]

With that money I would go with Silent Steel suppressors, they also got different muzzle devices, including muzzle brake. Made in Finland and seems to be cheaper🤌🏼

[@PolenarTactical]

We sell Silent Steel too and those are one of my favourite suppressors. The price is very similar because with SS you have to buy the muzzle device and with MFT it already comes with the can