FLOYD ROSE UPGRADES

My floyd rose bridge upgrades
ESP arming adjuster
37MM brass sustain block
Brass spring claw
Noiseless springs
Stainless steel bridge block screws
ADDED A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF SUSTAIN TO THIS AXE, NO MORE FIDDLING WITH BRIDGE LEVELING!!!
WWW.FU-TONE.COM

[@randyhaight7202]

I wouldn't really consider blocking the Floyd Rose to be an upgrade.

[@ragnaroksangel]

Randy Hate I feel like you do not understand how this device or the brass big block actually work. Neither of them restrict functionality of anything. Learn to Google.

[@thegodphreaker]

then u a nub, bruh, it definitely IS

[@daveyroque1070]

@@ragnaroksangel the only point I see in it, is if you use it temporarily during a string change, but then again it shouldn't matter if it's one string at a time

[@naegleriafowleri2230]

@@daveyroque1070 is supposed help tuning stability whenever you use the bar which always always goes out of tune after a while

[@ragnaroksangel]

@@daveyroque1070 Uh, no. Not even close. As I said to the other guy, LOOK UP THE DEVICE. It's called an ESP Arming Adjuster, basically one half of the IBANEZ BACKSTOP. The brass block is literally just a heavier, denser tremolo block. ALL TREMOLOS HAVE A FUCKING BLOCK! The brass tremolo block adds sustain because it increases the density. Brass is denser than the standard zinc alloy blocks, and therefore increases sustain- it REFLECTS the signal going through the strings. Every piece of the system that the strings are connected to (nut, saddles, tremolo, tremolo bolts, tremolo block) make a difference in sustain, with the nut and saddles being the number 1. You want DENSER materials to reflect the signal BACK TO THE STRINGS, so they vibrate longer, thus increasing sustain. The Arming Adjuster, Backstop, and other similar devices help to create a ZERO POINT that your tremolo springs return to, so that when you bend strings or use the tremolo bar, it RETURNS TO PERFECT TUNING. Proper setup alleviates most of this, those devices ENSURE IT 100%. Once installed correctly on a proper setup, the guitar will *NEVER* go out of tune, period. And for the first guy, it does not "block" the tremolo AT ALL. It still floats BOTH WAYS. IT CREATES A ZERO POINT. Ffs, Idk why people can't take 5 minutes to Google something

[@BiggAlSwagg2012]

I always stick a piece of wood to block it or coins. But I usually block it when installing strings 😁

[@ragnaroksangel]

He isn't blocking the fucking tremolo. He even explained it in the video. Why is this so hard of a concept for people to Google something before they spout off? It's an Arming Adjuster, not a fucking "block". Maybe look up what that device does.

[@majesticpbjcat7707]

@@ragnaroksangel username checks out

[@flinto2002]

Why the whispering and low lighting? Did mom tell you to keep it down again?

[@ducamuk]

Did you see the baby chair in the background? I think this guy knows that if he wakes the kid, he’ll have an angry baby and an angry wife to deal with. Lol.

[@thegodphreaker]

always bitch, alwayssss

[@naegleriafowleri2230]

@@thegodphreaker you dont have it as a fixed bridge lol that little screw is the middle, so you can still use the bar, all it does is return to zero point, but then again you have that crappy floyd 1000 trem

[@lect0n7]

…that isn’t a _Stopper,_ it’s a _Stabilizer…_ the _Tremol-No_ is a Stopper, theres this other stopper out there too which an ‘L’ shaped piece of brass with two screw holes on the vertical side of the ‘L’ & a small Allen screw goes through the horizontal part of the ‘L’ …in 1986 my dad bought a brand new Fender American Standard Stratocaster and the black finish on the body was checking and chipping off and he went back & fourth with people at fender for like 3 months and he finally got ahold of one of the guys who’s *NOW* known as a _Fender Master Builder_ & he said “Okay, you want a Stratocaster that won’t do that? I’ll send you one…but this isn’t going to be a _garden variety Stratocaster…” and he sent my dad a solid southern ash body, natural finish Stratocaster with prototype Fender Lace Sensor pickups, a Fender TBX Tone Control, a fender Blend pot, it had a _Hipshot TremSetter Tremolo Stabilizer_ Schaller Locking Tuning Machines, a Wilkinson Roller Nut… my dad has a habit he developed as a kid where he anchors his hand on the bridge, so when the Prototype Fender Custom Shop Strat Plus showed up and the tremolo was set up to _float_ *HE FUCKING HATED IT* he swapped out the Hipshot TremSetter for typical tremolo springs, he swapped the pickguard for one off of a 1969 Stratocaster which he got from Duke Robillard (after he fixed one of Duke’s Fender Tube amps) I have 1 Göldo Black Boxes, 1 Rockinger Back Box (they’re the same *EXACT* thing), I have one of the ‘L’ stoppers. I’m currently Building the *Ultimate Fender Stratocaster*

[@Dysmorphious]

"buys a guitar with floyd rose. then stops the floyd rose from doing it's intended action." Why not just play a fixed bridge guitar? Learn how to correctly setup your floyd rose so that it stays in tune, then get musically creative with the tremelo arm. \m/

[@thegodphreaker]

fuck Floyd bro, you aint dimebag nigga, so squeal no more

[@comment.highlighted]

TURKUOISE You don’t have to be Dimebag to use a Floyd Rose. Stop trying to limit other people just because you’re limited 😂

[@ARMYStrongHOOAH17]

Sometimes, like in my case, the guitar you want in the guitar store is plagued with a floyd rose and they don't have one with a hardtail. In this case you buy it and figure out how to make it work like this guy did. Plus as he mentioned the floyd has the perk of the locking nut that most (maybe all) fixed bridges do not. In my case i just put 2 extra springs in it that I had lying around and that fixed that problem. Helluva lot cheaper, too, I'm sure.

[@mountainman8775]

Is it van Halen or Steve Vai who also has their Floyd blocked?

[@Brutalgruve]

What is strange to me is my 2 Floyd guitars stay in tune (and hold tune after a couple days) better than my hipshot hard tail does, all guitars are 1.5K+ tier. So, it comes down to neck, set up and climate really. The hard tail has a thin neck, although carbon reinforced, no longer a fan of thin.

[@RichardLopez-wb9vf]

idk WHY EVERYONE doesnt like floyds. "the damn thing keeps going out of tune". well then u fucked up somewhere cuz even with a cheap floyd ive never had problems

[@joshfritz8352]

In my experience, anything below a Floyd special has tuning troubles over time.

[@realtruenorth]

Richard Lopez you got lucky with your cheap ones, but my original Floyd, and Ibanez edge pro will stay in tune for a year,, it's crazy.

[@ibanezrg320fm]

Richard Lopez Agreed man. My first Floyd was in an Ibanez RG350FM which was around $500 new back in the day. I bought a very very similar guitar for like $400 new a few years ago. These are not that expensive when it comes to good guitars and I could argue these are not quality built. They're both kind of a cheap aluminum but, as you said, they don't go out of tune. So long as the string hasn't stretched all that much, they'll stay in tune all day long. I hate when people say they're nothing but trouble or I can't tune it, or it's a pain in the ass. It's not. You're very first time understanding it might take you 2 hours. But once you understand how it works and have a little experience, you can do a new guitar in maybe 45 minutes taking your time. Hell, once you've tuned it once and don't change the tuning, you can swap new strings on, assuming it's the same thickness, in 10 minutes. I don't get it.

[@philipfarias3448]

If set up right the floyd is flawless. Unless you have adjusted string height with pressure on the strings. If you adjust string height with strings tuned to pitch you'll wear out the knife edge on the base. After that your guitar will never stay in tune. I have a 2010 sl1 and it's set up correctly and no matter how I try it doesn't go out of tune.

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

Arg! You are referring to diving, pulling and going back and all strings are in tune. Floyd's without something like a Black Box will have the bridge bend while you bend a note... this means the other strings go out of tune while bending. Try it. Strum your Low-E and bend your strings and listen to the Low-E drop with the bend. A black Box ad-on keeps the other strings in-tune WHILE bending a note. Especially helpful on harmonic bends (playing two strings while one is bent a full step).

[@naegleriafowleri2230]

wearing off knife edges only happens to cheap trems lol

[@ianaintsaying1625]

Any chance of seeing that installation video? The instructions I've seen are vague at best.

[@jeffpolk4800]

Floyed Rose's are not that complicated geez people! I would never own one without a floyed! Just sayn!

[@a1b1bcsologuy]

you are right ......i here ya..idk

[@BiggAlSwagg2012]

I love my Floyd roses and they never let me down.

[@kyfisher3662]

do the springs just have a coating or is there somthing allso inside them??

[@kalleankaa7536]

Unecessary. Also. Shouldnt floyd 1000 series come with zinc alloy blocks? That block you took out was a brass block already same as a german made. I notice no sustain. Just a hole in the pocket. You coudve gotten a better anp instead.

[@jonahmoore1779]

can you demonstrate everything this can do. I want to see it work?

[@bluephoenix3865]

So I have to tighten the stabilizer to make it like a normal tremolo bridge?

[@AllCarsUnited]

Very familiar with that feeling. My schecter banshee gt has the hot rodded Floyd Rose and i just want to smash the sht out if it

[@HVACRTECH-83]

Yeah I have same guitar,it's not a hot rodded floyd, it's a floyd rose special and it was trash,I put in a lockmeister and the guitar is a dream to play now,very stable and I like that trem better than any of my floyd guitars including originals and 1500s. There's nothing wrong w these 1000/ 1500 series trems like in this video though at all. You just have to learn how to properly setup and use them. It's actually really easy everyone makes them out to be so complicated but they are not at all. If you have a special though, then you have every rite to complain and shit on it. Swap it out

[@TomOswaldFishing]

Did you pay your power bill? Turn the damn lights on dude.

[@AudioMasterRTrib]

Rock on man!

[@tenaciousdan5831]

Eddie used a 1971 quarter for this.

[@kieferbradley2860]

I wonder if it would work with any other year

[@kerigregory7664]

The quarter was for drop D

[@BartMontalti]

Nice vid. Where'd you get the felt pad for the brass block?

[@roccanto86]

I hear to some people say that using an L brass block, yo also can stop the trem, anyone has tried this out?

[@HVACRTECH-83]

No that wouldn't be recommended

[@vejichan]

Hey can you help me with the esp arming adjuster

[@wearemanyyouareone7596]

What the fuck is up with all these kids blocking their trems why the fuck did you buy the guitar with the Floyd in it if you're not going to use the Floyd for its intended use in bud it's stays in tune if it's set up right

[@ragnaroksangel]

Pandaweed Xl It is called a big block and it doesn't stop the fucking tremolo from moving, Jesus Christ why can you people not go Google shit before running your mouths about things you do not understand? IT DOES NOT MAKE IT STOP FLOATING!!! GO GOOGLE IT, FUCK!

[@ryant3600]

the block upgrades can help your sustain and tone. Most trem's especially stock trems are thin and cheap. Even Floyd Rose sells upgraded blocks separately for their trems, brass, tungsten, Titanium they have have a bit of difference in the tone and sustain. That's why a lot of people replace the blocks. Now, if you're not that concerned about sustain/tones etc. then it won't matter to you. But, most of us that really play and have for years are always looking for that never ending search of that tone that represents us personally.. the perfect tone..EVH has his, Jake E. Lee has his, Vai has his, Paul Gilbert has his and so on. We want something that stands out and represents us as an individual player. I always change up stuff on my guitars.. pups, blocks, trems, springs. Didn't really think it's such a big deal that requires someone to freak out and say what the F*** about it.. All that comment did was make you sound like a kid that has no clue about what a guitar and it's components really can do..

[@randymiles904]

Hey man, I've been playing for 25 years, but just recently bought my first Floyd model. I bought a dean from hell, fearing they're not going to be made anymore. Anyway, it came with 9's on it and I can't stand it. I need to put some 10's on there. What will I need to do. Im guessing maybe turning the claw screws in a bit?

[@unknownrecords176]

Nice job man, looks sweet with the new brass block and red springs. What did you put in between the block and ESP arming adjuster Velcro?

[@rockstaradventures1]

Hey just a thought, I put in a Brass Block on my Floyd Rose, problem was the springs wont hold it(stay in the holes) as the brass is real smooth. They keep sliding out of the holes, so I ordered the heavy duty springs with the coating and hope these are thicker so they will stay in the holes of the block. Did you have this problem???

[@thegodphreaker]

hvymtlplayer1 What size is the block?

[@thegodphreaker]

whats that?

[@rifletwist]

is all of this really worth the costs and taking it to a tech?

[@thegodphreaker]

The parts were cheap. I didn't take it to a take I did it myself. It's worth it it if you dont like floating bridge and make the mistake of getting a floyd rose

[@izzysykopth]

Check out Tremedic Reviews here on KZbin... and Facebook group the Tremedic....

[@Anonymous-wx6cb]

What's the material between the trem stopper & the block?

[@JacobZirkin]

Bloodbath Magazine Not sure what he’s using but I’ve done a lot of experimenting with that what material to use and I’m currently using 3M command strips. The velcro on it is really good because it’s hard to penetrate through but is not the kind of material where you hear a clang at all. It’ll need changing every few months because it will eventually penetrate through slightly and you do start to hear a small clang

[@thegodphreaker]

Same here, but now it doesn't float (:

[@ragnaroksangel]

Then you didn't set up the Arming Adjuster with the correct amount of tension. Lower the amount of tension using the dial for the spring. Try maybe 1/4 less tension and see how that does when you pull back. Keep adjusting until it feels a little bit stiffer than what you'd like. Then, DO NOT move the spring dial, and use the dial for the rod to back it slightly away from the tremolo block. Loosen the claw screws about 1 1/2 turns each, make sure the Arming Adjuster rod is not making contact with the block, re-tune your guitar perfectly, now make the Arming adjuster rod (still not turning the spring dial) just BARELY *ALMOST* touch the tremolo block, maybe at most, the width of a business card, then tighten the claw screws back to their original position, re-tune, and reset your intonation. That should be perfect.

[@SLAYER06102009]

Kahler sucks!! Owned one wish I didnt! My original floyd rose staus in tune no matter wtf I do..

[@plasticfork2449]

U probably set it up wrong, my kahlers outperform my Floyd's by a landslide

[@robertwilkerson1720]

Whether u like Kahler or not it’s far more adjustable than a Floyd!

[@yannimetaxas9839]

I'm thinking of buying the red noiseless springs, they look cool, but they say they're heavy duty, does that increase the tension compared to your old standard springs you had, or is it the same?

[@yannimetaxas9839]

+Alex G ya, like the trem block he has, and probably if u have 14-80 gauge string probably come in handy

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

They have different colors for different tension levels. See FU Tone's options.

[@chrisparker6282]

YOU SHOULD JUST TAKE YOUR EXISTING STRETCHED OUT SPRINGS (AS LONG AS THEY ARE OF DECENT QUALITY) AND PULL MEMORY FOAM STRIPS INTO YOUR SPRINGS TO REDUCE VIBRATION ;). JUST USE AN OLD GUITAR STRING LIKE A LOOP TO FEED THE MEMORY FOAM THROUGH YOUR SPRINGS. TAKE CARE ;)

[@allprogear]

Just use shrink wrap and the noise will vanish with the springs you like.

[@Vriel7]

Maybe buy a guitar with a fixed bridge? Keeps you away from spending money for nothing... and so the chicks... you know... Remember: start simple until you can handle it - then drop the dollars!

[@lucasvillaquiroz]

um... is your guitar a schecter blackjack sls fr s? PD: the last S is important, it means it has a sustainiac pickup. :)

[@thegodphreaker]

lucas villa quiroz Its just a normal SLS FR , i opted out of sustainiac

[@allprogear]

The chunk of brass which is probably a 42 piece is in backwards while the spring holes in the block of brass are suppose to be towards the back with the fine tuners while I learned this from experts in Germany who had a lot to do with this product.

[@thegodphreaker]

u high bro

[@gpdude22]

The spring holes in the block are toward the spring claw. If you did it the other way around, the corner of the block would push the pin end of the spring out of the block any time you took a dive.

[@izzysykopth]

Anyone interested in the best Floyd mod look up Tremedic reviews here on KZbin and Facebook group The Tremedic

[@acasadorocknroll7]

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[@rjmaksym7692]

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[@thegodphreaker]

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[@jimicope4988]

LOL cry baby :,(

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

Other versions still allow it to float. Seems lame to have a Floyd and then hard stop it so its a dive only unit but I get that there are many players that prefer this. I believe most that hate Floyd's simply don't understand there are options... For those that want it to float AND be stable for bends: Look at an example of what Steve Vai does: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYK5lHmgbLJ8gKM The link above shows the dual springs that essentially make it a little harder to bend the bridge but still allows for full range of motion (how much harder depends on how they are set). In that video, Steve still uses springs that don't dampen the spring sound so he also uses tissue paper. If you get FU Tone springs, you shouldn't need the toilet paper. Probably licensing reasons why Steve Vai doesn't use them and maybe something has changed since then. For those that keep saying a properly set Floyd stays in tune: You are missing the point of "when" it stays in tune. Yes all floating Floyd's properly setup will return all strings to proper tune after heavy dive bombs and pulls. That isn't the point. The point is strumming something like the low E-string and simultaneously bending a string. The pressure of bending pulls the other strings out of tune and drop them down (the low-E now drops toward D). The more you bend, the more the other strings go out of tune. This is the thing many guitar players hate about original Floyd's. So how is that fixed? Again, if you refer to the Steve Vai video, he added a different type of spring that keeps the Floyd Rose bridge from moving while bending a note. He uses it on all his guitars. In other words, it usually takes more than a full step of bending to move the bridge. Bend a sting and the low-E is still a low-E. You have to push a little harder on the whammy to bend it, but it still bends both ways. Obviously, you still get the flutter that Steve is known for too.

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

FYI: I agree with the conclusions from this link: guitarfretbuzz.com/best-tremolo-stabilizer To me, the Black Box stabilizer is the best option if you want the Floyd to fully float. Honestly, can't find Steve Vai's anywhere... seems like they aren't made anymore. Only can find used and they are expensive.

[@trevorwesterdahl6245]

By looking at this version... looks like it should float (has springs). Don't know anything about this upgrade though.

[@ragnaroksangel]

I don't understand the confusion that you and all the others are having 1. The brass block does NOT restrict the tremolo from floating. Period. It is not that kind of block. Your eyeballs can tell you this. 2. This device works identically to 1/2 of the Ibanez Backstop sitting in the back of Steve Vai's EVO guitar. So please tell me the confusion here

[@naegleriafowleri2230]

You can still use the whammy bar with this adjuster lmao is not a complete block. Steve vai ises the Ibanez backstop which is basically the same shit as the ESP adjuster just overpriced. Its the same shit. Steve has it set softly tho

[@naegleriafowleri2230]

@@ragnaroksangel they dont know shit they think this adjuster is going keep the whammy bar from being used otherwise itd be called a blocker. I watched videos on youtube of people who put this esp arming adjuster and they can still use the bar

[@davekiddie4467]

I would really consider removing this vid, its just embarrassing

[@MatthewJamesWoods98]

should of got a guitar with a Kahler Tremolo System

[@jamesmiller9823]

Learn how to properly set up a Floyd Rose , and don't use one that's a piece of crap knockoff that doesn't use hardened steel and you wont have any problems .

[@Noone-of-your-Business]

Oh boy, is this unprofessional. Concerning your undocumented trem stop: it's been around for decades in Germany and we call it "black box" for short.

[@ragnaroksangel]

It isn't a black box, and it most certainly is *NOT* a trem stop. It's essentially one half of an Ibanez BACKSTOP. Its purpose is NOT to stop the action of a tremolo, at all, whatsoever, in ANY WAY. It creates a zero point so the springs and tremolo always return to the same position, so the guitar *ALWAYS* stays in tune while bending and floating the tremolo. So no, it isn't "unprofessional"... This dude is not a luthier (I am), and did the best he could with installation. He is correct about the lack of instructions with how to set these up, regardless of which type, and some are different than others. The Ibanez Backstop installation is the most accurate, and it's hard as hell to actually find, as they stopped making them about 30 years ago. Those instructions were made in Japan with absolutely shitty translation. Even 7 years after this video, it's STILL hard to find PROPER installation instructions. I've even met a ton of other luthiers that have no fucking idea how to properly set these up. I'd love to see you set one of these up "professionally" and PROPERLY. Get an Arming Adjuster or 2, or a Backstop, and make a video of you doing it. That way, I can be a dick to you like you did to him

[@Noone-of-your-Business]

​@@ragnaroksangel Fine with me. Call it a stabilizer then. Check www.rockinger.com/parts/hardware/tremolos-tremolozubehoer/sonstiges-zubehoer/244/rockinger-black-box-tremolo-stabilizer for the product I am referring to. And yes, I installed mine decades ago and it works exactly as intended. If YT offered the option of posting pictures in the comment section, I would gladly supply a photograph. And no, it is not difficult to properly set them up. If you understand the basics of how springs work, you can easily figure that out without an instruction manual, you just have to fiddle a bit to find the best settings. And also no, you do not need to be a luthier for that. And yes, lighting a shaky cam video with a flashlight and off-camera action with minimal editing is highly "unprofessional" video production.

[@ragnaroksangel]

@@Noone-of-your-Business He isn't a luthier, and he isn't offering professional advice. He does not claim to be a professional photographer or cameraman. He never made a professional claim. You sure find some snotty ass shit to bitch about... This is KZbin, not a fucking photography competition. And NO, I won't call it a tremolo stabilizer. I'll call it what it's fucking called. It isn't the product you have or mentioned. By your logic, then I should not call a Ford Mustang, I should call it a Chevy Suburban, since they are both vehicles. That's real stupid logic.

[@Noone-of-your-Business]

​@@ragnaroksangel Feel free to browse some more comments here for opinions on how well this video was received by others. The high "dislike" rate also speaks a clear language. As to what the device in question is _called,_ feel free to check the designation that guitar websites use to describe the category that the Ibanez "Backstop" belongs to. I found ibanez.fandom.com/wiki/Back_Stop quite helpful. Even Google's auto complete function adds "stabilizer" to the search term. I _used to_ call these gadgets "trem stop"s, but now that I had reason to look up the details, I agree that "stabilizer" is the more accurate term. I am not calling a Chevy a Ford, but I _do_ call both of them cars. It seems to me you are trying to call a car a bike. He even calls it a "tremolo stopper" himself at 0:30. Which is not very precise, so I offered a more precise term for those who are looking for additional information in the comment section. Also also, you might want to google pictures to find out that the device in this video is *_not_* an Ibanez Backstop, it is a Trem-Endus (www.amazon.com/Trem-Endus-Tremolo-Stabilizer-Floyd-Rose/dp/B07WJ6TJ6J) [or an identical product with different branding]. Look at it. And at the Backstop. They are _not_ the same, regardless of whether you cut the Ibanez in half. You will also find that both the _Göldo _*_Black Box_* (www.ebay.de/itm/GOELDO-BACKBOX-Tremolo-Floyd-Rose-Stabilizer/141838159199) and the _Rockinger Black Box_ (www.rockinger.com/en/parts/hardware/tremolos-tremolo-accessories/accessories/244/rockinger-black-box-tremolo-stabilizer) are *much* more similar to what can be seen in this video than the Backstop. For starters, they do not have any plastic parts, they are single row and have the mounting holes on the sides. Go figure the rest by yourself if you like. And finally, note how I wrote _"we call it_ 'black box' for short", signifying that you might have to look under different product names, but "black box" is a start that _will_ get you results like the system in this video.