FLSUN T1 - The One Trick RaceHorse

[@Uhgffdgkngxx-o5t]

It's true that not many companies are making delta printers, which is why FLsun stands out as a pioneer in this field. They still have some areas to improve, but I’ve got the patience to see them reach their full potential. I purchased the FLsun v400 before and, though I encountered some minor issues, I have to commend their after-sales service for being really thoughtful and solving each problem patiently. With the new launch tomorrow, I’m interested to see how they’ll keep evolving. Also, your detailed insights into the FLsun T1 gave me a much better understanding of their recent developments-appreciate it!

[@Cool_kiddddd]

Is flsun coming out again? Oh my God I didn't know!!😲

[@djgraffiti5627]

This isn't reliable according to all the "Beta" testers right now. The bed magnet slides off if temps are 80c or above slowly, the heat rods don't last long, the camera mount is poorly made, the limit switches tend to stop the arms before the arms even reach the top, the accuracy on the z axis is inconsistent, the firmware freezes at times, the finished print screen doesn't go away unless you manually clear it, and if you clear it while another print is going the entire progress screen for new print disappears. Klipper locks out of web axis randomly, and much much more. This is a tinker printer and isn't beginner friendly. But it prints fast as heck so theres that

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Yeah, the S1 and T1 are a case of investing heavily into one aspect of a printer (speed), while sacrificing other parts of the user experience. How important is it to you to have the fastest printer possible? Is it worth having something that is bigger, louder, and has a less polished user experience? To me it doesn't really make sense to go all-out for speed at the expense of other important features for a printer. But this does what it says on the tin - make printer go fast.

[@torquemada1971]

Friends don't let friends review printers using white filament.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Noted, but they always send white filament. I wonder why? 😏 Creality sends shiny blue with all of their review printers which shows defects pretty well

[@juicyballerina12]

@@NathanBuildsRobots White and black are the most popular colors in the market. If send silk pla or metal pla, people may ask more why. This is always the case.

[@juicyballerina12]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Kind people see kindness, honest people see honesty, and picky people see flaws. What you need to do is to show everyone what the objective facts are.

[@KhariReed-p8v]

The usefulness of Nathan Builds Robots's videos is always so high.

[@jamuzk_uz]

I have never had a delta printer before because the online reviews were not very friendly. For speed, I tried to buy a T1. I absolutely love it. It is super fast .

[@AfraDuvall]

I have two FLSUN V400 , two FLSUN T1 and one Bambu Lab P1S with AMS . When completing some multi-color printing tasks, I will use P1S with AMS, but for many printing tasks, I will use V400 and T1; Multi-color printing will look very beautiful, but it will waste a lot of fiament .

[@johnsmith-i5j7i]

Waiting until a one second benchy is possible.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Time for Injection Molding!

[@DrAlanQuan]

​@@NathanBuildsRobotsI was thinking of metal casting then realised it's basically the same thing😂

[@jamuzk_uz]

Possible .

[@juicyballerina12]

Maybe it will be a long, long time later.

[@DrAlanQuan]

​@@juicyballerina12But it's still 1 second 😂

[@michaelbrayman4994]

Id buy it just because its different lol, But all in all I like the delta style printers, And this one gives me an idea to modify a cpap I have laying around for a secondary part cooling fan on my adventurer 5m non pro.

[@skunkprints7952]

Nathan Builds Robots is the definitive source for 3D printing news and information!

[@TheJacklwilliams]

I’ll add he’s super entertaining. He doesn’t hold back. Gives honest, in depth reviews and has the knowledge to back it up. Agreed. I put him up with the top 5. Teaching Tech, CNC Kitchen, Makers Muse, Nathan Builds Robots and finally, I’m tired. Can’t remember the fifth but I’ve got one. Also, don’t try to order them as far as I’m concerned because each brings a unique approach yet all can teach you all you want to know. OH!!! Aurora Tech! That young lady is absolutely incredible as well. Top 5!

[@ValvoBond]

Wow, I’m just starting out with 3D printing, and your explanation made everything so much clearer! I feel way more confident about getting started. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Glad I could help, and don't forget to check out the resources in the video description!

[@louis-philippeyargeau2497]

If I'd "need" a 7th printer... I'd buy this T1. But so far, I'm so pleased with my two Qidi and a Neptune 4 (thank you Nathan 🙄). Currently converting my Flsun Q5 to Klipper (let's call it the poor man's T1).

[@jacobpintye150]

What is the lead time for the printer at the moment just ordered one today but no eta on delivery date are they actually released or just beta untill full release?

[@joshuahuman1]

lets see how long the flsun bots take show up like they did on clough42's channel.

[@NoMercyFtw]

You do know your account looks like a bot right no picture random name as username with human in it lol

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Tbh that situation seems overblown. Most of these companies use marketing tactics like that and worse.

[@NoMercyFtw]

@@NathanBuildsRobots yep, a few comments with profiles with no pictures is not bots now a few 1000 that's a different story

[@juicyballerina12]

Smarter robots have arrived, may be the Bambu robot .

[@AnimeRealmWalker]

This printer is an absolute beast; it’s seriously cool!"

[@blaze_toast]

Well i was actually thinking about getting one but couldn’t find a good review so i ended up with a bambu lab p1s because they are great

[@alboroble]

I also have p1s , it works good , but I also encountered a lot of problems, and their service is the most rubbish.

[@blaze_toast]

@@alboroble really mine has been great im hoping i can start to repair my voron soon

[@DrAlanQuan]

I think the P1S is a safe choice. The T1 is certainly capable of things the P1S is not, and could be a useful tool to add in the future. The T1 I'm using has been very reliable and dang fast - even when running at a comfortable cruising speed it's faster than the P1S at full throttle. That said the P1S has multi material options which the T1 does not, and that's a cool feature too. Have you received the P1S yet?

[@blaze_toast]

@@DrAlanQuan yeah ive had my p1s for a few days with the ams it has been working great so far only one small mishap happened

[@Ewan_Thorpe]

@@DrAlanQuan Agree , depends on usage . Much time I use T1 , for multicolor printing go to my P1s .

[@philxcskier]

I have a Mk4 (with S upgrade). I’m considering getting the T1, or maybe another delta to tinker with and dedicate to higher temp filament that usually wants an enclosure, ASA, PC etc. Then the mk4 can focus on PLA and PETG, maybe someday getting an MMU.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

You'll need a good enclosure for that, and I have a feeling the T1's design will make that a bit tricky.

[@philxcskier]

@@NathanBuildsRobots oh, I was under the impression the T1 had a build in enclosure?

[@colincampbell3679]

If anything I would have thought that the beds for a Delta be a Triangle than a circle, Because the main movements of the infector head system is a 3 point Triangle when running My FL Sun Delta QQ-S Pro sure is more likely to be doing triangle main movements over the round bed area than doing circle ones. As for the noisy cooling fan problem, I think that really Fl Sun should have just used a bigger 80 or 120 mm normal PC silent cooling fan up in the top of the printer with the right shaped encloser around the fan to force the air down the tube better it would have been almost silent yet powerful enough to cool the faster prints! New 3D printers have small fans for cooling in general some have say 50 mm or 60 mm cooling fans so fitting a 80 mm or 120 mm fan to the T1 and S1 would with the right design of fan housing kept the noise down to half of the noise it has now and cooled fine. in fact maybe water cooling tech from PC's could be used in these more pricey printers to do the same job and of course be less noisy than a very big loud turbine fan? I think all 3D printer companies need to do testing to see what they can do about cooling fan noise now as it seems that most printers are getting more loud due to faster klipper printing needs for cooling more! Seems daft to design a faster printer but forget to design a better cooling system that is lower in noise as they are selling these printers for a huge amount ( S1 ) for that amount users expect a better noise control.

[@BitterCynical]

A triangle bed would have a lot less area to build on, kind of want the build plate as big as possible to not limit what you can print as much. Also a typical axial PC fan is just terrible for 3D printers in general. It's neither good at creating a concentrated flow of air directly at the nozzle for part cooling, nor can they create sufficient pressure for long ducts which is why cars for cabin air use blowers. As long as the printing is fast I'm afraid noise is unavoidable. It's not just fans, the stepper motors also make a lot of noise. My K1C shakes the whole table while printing, I actually need to get some better furniture and maybe a concrete slab for it to sit on to reduce noise.

[@alboroble]

Very professional

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

It's not unavoidable, the PRUSA PRO HT90 is super fast and near silent. It's just $10k...

[@bybrndrengar1029]

Have you seen the heat block design ? Apparently it is right next to plastics and it is causing issues

[@BitterCynical]

I already bought a K1C recently and it's been great for the PLA and PETG parts I've made so far. Yet to try more challenging materials. The whole delta thing is really cool to me, but unfortunately since I don't have the kind of money to just buy things for being cool I probably wouldn't have bought this tower of speed even if I didn't have the K1C already.

[@Eric_In_SF]

Just because I know you enjoy banter. There’s no such thing as a decibel meter. It’s like calling a clock an hour and minute displayer A sound meter measures a decibels 😂

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

My miles per hour meter tells me how fast my car goes

[@Eric_In_SF]

@@NathanBuildsRobots my degrees meter tells me how hot it is.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

@@Eric_In_SF is it a farenheightometer or a kelvinometer?

[@S.A.S.H.]

I have an FLSun SR, and it's one hell of a printer, but it doesn't get used much since I bought my Bambu Lab X1-C and AL, with AMS and AMS Lite, respectively. I still would recommend them as fast, accurate and reliable. But that noise! Dear Gawd.

[@tehehe5929]

Machine like this should really have active noise cancellation built in.

[@Castdeath]

How bad are the delta artifacts with this one?

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Not sure what a delta artifact is, the test prints I did turned out really nice though. I'd like to revisit this printer and do one of the standard print tests that shows overhangs and square edges but I didn't have a lot of time to invest into this video

[@Castdeath]

@@NathanBuildsRobots clough42’s S1 Video had some delta artificating in some prints. They look like VFAs.

[@aware2action]

I would love to see a delta printer, that does not blow the part off, while still not using z-hop(all the while printing @ min. Layer height, a tall part(atleast more than 2/3 of max height) @ max speed.). I feel this is a litmus test for a delta printer's calibration and print motion system movement accuracy. I doubt FLSun had overcome this🤞.❤👍

[@dhruvasammeta69]

Hi! i have been comparing the creality k1, flsun t1, and bambu lab a1, i want to keep the printer for a while, as a student and maker, could anyone suggest which one to pick or any other options! (price upto 600$ and pla-cf is gonna be used)

[@marc_frank]

definitely wouldn't get the a1

[@Parodidical]

Bambu lab p1p

[@marc_frank]

@@Parodidical yes, but consider the s

[@Parodidical]

@@marc_frank that's usually $700, so unless the discount to $599 is permanent it won't fit the less than $600 price range the guy mentioned

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

K1 SE is probably the best/cheapest option at $360 and you can find some discounts if you look around. Ironically the K1 SE will be better than the K1C at printing PLA-CF because it has a larger bend radius for the bowden tube. You don't need an enclosure for PLA-CF. But make sure to clearcoat or something if the parts will be in contact with skin.

[@Vallecaucanisimo]

Too loud…. Seriously unbearable.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

WRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[@daliasprints9798]

Ouch that backdriving. Weak motors?

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Strong arms 💪

[@derickkruger5680]

With PETG, speed is a non issue, you cannot go > 80mm/s.

[@DANIELGENG-v5o]

i think he got that squarespace thing from another video!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Shhh 🤫

[@DANIELGENG-v5o]

@@NathanBuildsRobots haha

[@aberodriguez4149]

👍👍👍

[@earlowens998]

I didn’t buy the T1 because there’s lots of other testers who found other things they didn’t like. So just for kicks an jolly’s I bought the speed racer for $199.

[@hitf5]

I like most of your content but these reviews for this and the other FLSUN one you seemed to glowingly review is giving me doubts as to whether I should keep supporting the channel. I was considering the S1 after your review but it was only available direct from their website and they have a not so great return policy (up to 30 days I think, but after 7 days you have to pay for the extremely expensive return shipping). Then other reviews started rolling in and the consensus from those were that it was a real POS (and the company was too). So hopefully this will be the last FLSUN one you review. I mean you are free to do what you want, and I'm free to do what I want, but this is just general feedback.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I was thinking about grilling them on the T1, but it genuinely seems better than the S1 in terms of compromising between value and speed. If it were my money i'd probably get a K1C, or A1 Mini, but these videos are for people who want to know more about these printers and see them work.

[@hitf5]

@@NathanBuildsRobots Thanks, understand. Also, an update to the return policy is now 14 days and there is no free returns so you are on the hook from day one. Also, there are tons of other conditions. Take a look at their newly updated return policy - it's really crazy!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

Printer return policies suck. They basically can't be resold after someone has assembled one as there are all sorts of issues that can come up. It's not like a digital camera or a roll of unused tape

[@daliasprints9798]

This wasn't a glowing review...

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

lol that’s what I was thinking. I basically said it had an issue and there are 2 other printers you should consider, but this printer is as fast as they claim if all you care about is speed